POLL: Americans’ Massive Disapproval of Both Parties

Eric Zuesse, originally posted at strategic-culture.org

The “Monthly Harvard-Harris Poll: June 2017” is the latest poll in that series, and it scientifically sampled 2,258 U.S. registered voters, of whom (as shown on page 30) 35% were “Democrat,” 29% were “Republican,” and 30% were “independent”). It indicates (page 24) that 37% “approve” and 63% “disapprove” of “the way the Republican Party is handling its job.” It also indicates (page 25) that 38% “approve,” and 62% “disapprove,” of “the way the Democratic Party is handling its job.” So: despite there being 6% more self-described “Democrat”s than “Republican”s, there was only 1% more disapproval of the Republican Party than of the Democratic Party; and, this indicates that there was a substantial disapproval of “the Democratic Party” by Democratic voters (more disaffection by them for ‘their’ Party, than by Republicans for theirs).

The answers to other questions in the poll also help to answer why this is so, and why the voting public don’t hold either Party in high regard — why America’s supposedly ‘democratic’ (small-“D”) politics is currently a contest between uglies, with neither Party offering anything like what the U.S. voting public want their government to do (i.e., it fits what this scientific study — linked there — found actually to control U.S. politics):

(Page 27) 41% think “President Trump should be impeached and removed from office,” and 45% think “no action should be taken” against him.

(Page 28) 36% think “the investigations into Russia and President Trump” are “helping the country,” but 64% think the opposite: that these investigations are “hurting the country.”

(Page 39) Of listed U.S. government officials, the highest percentage-favorable ratings were: Bernie Sanders (52%), Mike Pence (47%), Donald Trump (45%), Hillary Clinton (39%), Paul Ryan (38%), Elizabeth Warren (37%), Jim Comey (36%), Robert Mueller (34%), Nancy Pelosi (31%), Jeff Sessions (28%), and Rex Tillerson (28%).

(Page 40) The highest percentage-unfavorable ratings were: Hillary Clinton (56%), Nancy Pelosi (51%), Donald Trump (50%), Paul Ryan (45%), Mitch McConnell (42%), Jeff Sessions (41%), Mike Pence (40%), Jared Kushner (39%), Bernie Sanders (38%), Jim Comey (36%), and Elizabeth Warren (36%).

(Page 72) 48% think “President Trump colluded with the Russians during the election over the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta’s emails.” 52% say “No” — Trump did not do that.

(Page 73) 54% say “associates of President Trump” did it; 46% say “No” to that.

(Page 74) 38% say “There is evidence” of such “collusion” by Trump; 62% say “No.”

(Page 75) 54% say this is a “legitimate investigation”; 46% say it’s “fueled to create a cloud over the Trump administration.”

(Page 79) 44% say “Keep the focus on the Russia investigation”; 56% say “Move on to other issues.”

(Page 83) 73% say they are “concerned” that there has been “lost focus and energy by the administration and Congress because of the Russia investigation.” 67% say they’re “concerned” about “future interference by Russia in U.S. elections.”

(Page 95) 54% say “Yes” and 46% say “No” to “Do you think the so called ‘Deep State’ — the collection of intelligence agencies and holdover government workers from the Obama administration — is trying to unseat President Trump?”

(Page 96) When asked “Who do you think is more to blame for Hillary Clinton’s loss of the election?” 67% choose “Hillary Clinton and her campaign team for running a weak campaign” and 33% choose “Forces like the Russians, former FBI director Comey, and the Democratic National Committee not having reliable voter data.”

(Page 124) 74% “Favor” “Offering incentives for electric cars and renewable energy such as wind and solar.” 62% “Favor” Setting much tougher emission standards for cars and other vehicles.” 34% “Favor” “Putting coal, and all coal and clean coal plants, out of business.” Today’s American public take global warming seriously — or at least more seriously than Republican public officials do..

(Page 133) 47% think it was “Right” and 53% think it was “Wrong” for Trump “to pull the United States out of the current version of the Paris Climate Agreement.”

(Page 151) 49% think “the media is being fair” to President Trump; 51% say “Unfair.”

(Page 154) 21% “Favor “raising the U.S. government’s debt ceiling.” 69% “Oppose.”

(Page 155) 36% “Favor” “a government shut down” over the issue; 64% “Oppose.”

What this poll found is basically the same thing that has been shown in many different polls. So: former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who was the last person who was able to win the White House without needing to rely upon billionaries in order to do it, was correct when he said that, “Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or being elected president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members.” Anybody who refers to this government as being a ‘democracy’ is way behind the times, because it has been, ever since 1980, controlled by its aristocracy; it is an “oligarchy” instead of a democracy; it is a “regime” instead of a government that represents its public. This regime represents its aristocrats. And that is why the public’s disapproval of this country’s leaders is so high. That happens in a regime, not in a democracy. Both of America’s Parties represent this country’s aristocracy, not America’s public. The latest Harvard-Harris poll simply adds to the already-overwhelming evidence of this. But the basic evidence on the matter was the Gilens-Page study. In their section “American Democracy?” they said:

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

One of the aristocracy’s many magazines, The Atlantic, headlined on June 21st, “Is American Democracy Really Under Threat?” and tried to fool their readers to think the answer is no; but, of course, they were pointing, as ‘evidence’, merely to nominal adherence to ‘democratic’ forms, and ignored the actual evidence on the matter, such as Gilens and Page examined in depth, and such as the many polls that have also been referred to in the links here have additionally reinforced. None of this actual evidence was even so much as mentioned. The honest answer to the article’s title-question is not just “Yes” but more than that: their question itself is more like their having asked “Is there a danger of the horse being stolen?” after the horse was already stolen, and has for decades (since at least 1980) already been absent from the barn; so, that article’s very title is a deception, even without its text (which is written for outright fools who can’t recognize what constitutes “evidence” that is suitable for a given allegation). A better question would therefore be: Why do people still subscribe to vapid propaganda-magazines like that? All propaganda should be free of charge. But, of course, in a dictatorship like this, people pay even for the right to be deceived. It’s no longer free-of-charge. That’s just the way things are — really are. It’s shown in the data — not in anybody’s mere platitudes about the matter. People pay to embellish the lies that they already believe. Most people want that, more than they want to come to know the truth. The worse the truth is, the more that people crave the myth which contradicts it — they’ll pay good money to mainline that into themselves: evidenceless reassurances, such as that article. But anyone who takes that type of pap seriously, won’t be able sensibly to understand such findings as were reported in the latest Harvard-Harris poll.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

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  • Jed Grover

    In this household both parties have negative 3 digit ratings. Clinton’s inner circle wants to bomb the bear. They are indeed satanic. McCain and Graham are among that brain-dead war mongering crowd. If there is a God …… please help us. We have a duopoly nightmare.

    I never bought into that theme “good versus evil” but I’m compelled to confirm that I’m now a believer. The rich versus the rest of humanity and diabolical unfortunately have numerous enablers. This reckless irresponsible duopoly serves as master distractors. That .01 with their plush bunkers are guilty of heinous crimes against the human population. Compartmentalized secret “mafia style” rings of power as many complicit cannot even imagine. All are naked emperors with their heads deeply rooted somewhere. Its got to stink up there! We need justice other than the subjective “money sets you free” type.

    • Zartan

      I wish GOD`S Death ANGEL would take a Grand Tour of Washington and Wall Street. That`s the only Change I believe in.

  • kimyo

    the latest poll in that series, and it scientifically sampled 2,258 U.S. registered voters

    this word, ‘scientifically’, i do not think it means what you think it means.

    The Problem With Polls

    In 2012, his own campaign’s polls, among others, predicted Mitt Romney, the Republicans’ nominee, would defeat President Barack Obama for the presidency, but just barely. Two years later, surveys in Kentucky strongly suggested then-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, perhaps the shrewdest, most powerful Republican in Washington, could lose his seat to an upstart rookie Democrat.

    Overseas, meanwhile, multiple public-opinion experts in 2014 said Scottish voters were deadlocked on whether to scrap one of the oldest relationships in European history and choose full independence from Great Britain – and underdog nationalists’ hopes soared.

    Three different public-opinion polls, three important elections, three decisively erroneous results: President Barack Obama blindsided Romney in the 2012 presidential elections, winning a second term by five points; McConnell crushed Alison Lundergan Grimes en route to becoming Senate majority leader in 2014; and Scots last year overwhelmingly chose to keep ties with the United Kingdom, an outcome that stunned the polling establishment.

    polling = the most bogus ‘science’ ever. you’re breathlessly covering wrestlemania as if it’s real. sad.

    Scottish referendum vote-rigging claims spark calls for recount

    The then first minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond, may have called on his supporters to “accept the democratic verdict of the people of Scotland” on Friday, but for significant numbers of people, accepting that the poll was fair, and its result a rejection of independence, has proved impossible.

    Many refer to a snippet of video in which a counting officer at the Dundee polling station appears to lift votes from a yes pile and place them under no.

    Another widely circulated photograph from the Dundee count appears to show a yes vote, bundled with others, sitting in the no pile.

    Others refer to footage that they claim shows a counting officer in Edinburgh writing on a ballot paper.

    For many, the fire alarms that caused the brief evacuation of the Dundee count, and the fact that a Russian observer from a pro-Kremlin monitoring agency had claimed the ballot was fixed to avoid parallels to the situation in Crimea, were taken as further causes for suspicion.

  • kimyo


    Today’s American public take global warming seriously

    zuesse in march 2017

    THANK YOU!! Your link changed my mind about this entire matter, and I am now a skeptic about the — I now call it no longer ‘theory’ but instead — hypothesis that humans’ contribution to atmospheric carbon-load is the main cause of the statistically highly reliable scientific evidence that our atmosphere is warming and that this heating-up of the atmosphere is even accelerating. You have supplied me with powerful evidence that I had not previously been aware of.

    which is it? are you a skeptic or not?

    seen this one?: On the Validity of NOAA, NASA and Hadley CRU Global Average Surface Temperature Data

    The conclusive findings of this research are that the three GAST data sets are not a valid representation of reality. In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data. Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published GAST data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever –despite current claims of record setting warming.

    • cettel

      Thanks again, kimyo: I’ve not published anything after 21 March 2017 that addresses global warming, because of the information you introduced me to on that date. As regards your “seen this one?: On the Validity of NOAA, NASA and Hadley CRU Global Average Surface Temperature Data” that too was new to me, and strongly inclines in the same direction. I appreciate your introducing me to contrary empirical evidence.

      • kimyo

        from your linked piece:

        the importance of addressing global warming — which will otherwise become global burning and end all life on Earth — is being enormously underestimated, undervalued. It is an urgent problem, even if the human contribution to the existing recorded global heating is less than most scientists today believe to be the case.

        the real issue is cooling, not warming. famines* result from cooling, this is undeniable, historical fact.

        the war on carbon will be just as successful as the wars on poverty, drugs, terror, or gun violence. advocating for same just shows us what a shill (aka complete tool) you are.

        have a look at the u.s. state temperature extremes (wiki) for the last 200 years. if alert, you’ll notice some striking facts: 1) 23 states had their highest ever temperatures in the 1930’s and 2) more than a handful (15 to be precise) of lowest ever temperatures occurred between 1980 and the present.

        does that jibe? not exactly.

        * Little Ice Age

        The Little Ice Age, by anthropology professor Brian Fagan of the University of California at Santa Barbara, tells of the plight of European peasants during the 1300 to 1850 chill: famines, hypothermia, bread riots and the rise of despotic leaders brutalizing an increasingly dispirited peasantry. In the late 17th century, agriculture had dropped off dramatically: “Alpine villagers lived on bread made from ground nutshells mixed with barley and oat flour.” Historian Wolfgang Behringer has linked intensive witch-hunting episodes in Europe to agricultural failures during the Little Ice Age

  • Obsolete Government

    I’ve known this fact for a very long time. Thanks for this article.
    http://fightgangstalking.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/state-vs-you.jpg

  • ICFubar

    I remember reading of a Polish intercept in 2012 of a Russian diplomatic cable instructing all Russian embassy analysts to consider the USA a plutocracy in making their analyses. If this is the empirically proven truth as shown in the study Zuesse links to, then almost all politics in America is Kubuki theater meant to keep the illusion of democracy standing for the sake of population control, while playing a divide and conquer game with the populous so that they cannot unite against the plutocrats. It is always and has always been a case of class warfare from time immemorial.

  • kimyo

    their question itself is more like their having asked
    “Is there a danger of the horse being stolen?” after the horse was
    already stolen, and has for decades (since at least 1980) already been
    absent from the barn

    are polls meaningful? are elections meaningful? the horse is long gone, as you say. we live in an oligarchy, as you say. yet you continue to argue that elections matter.

    is it really so hard to connect the dots? the polling doesn’t matter because the elections are fraudulent. analyzing poll data merely contributes to maintaining the fiction of electoral representation.

    are you not part of the very same apparatus you criticize at the atlantic? will you please stop with the fairy tale?

  • Americans are not disapproving, but just irrelevant.
    They don’t want to bother to think anything complicated.
    They are freaks feeling nothing with the foreign people wounded and killed by American military.
    Where is the barbaric military belongs to?
    They never try to figure that out.
    And when someone foreign asks “how do you feel?”, EVERY AMERICAN INDIVIDUAL responds to it like “I’m no one, it’s not my fault don’t blame me” with no single exception.

    • Jed Grover

      We’re all complicit unintentionally. There’s a plan that Mullins spells out in his book “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve” chapter 5 pgs. 55-56. Think about the current level of debt and consider our interlocking BIS Banking network “Leader of the World” strategy.” Is it sincere or a disguise? Our unnecessary provoked wars are primarily in support of the Corporate devouring, looting and controlling the world’s resources by the banking industry. Not only should we stop the carbon addiction but also convert over to public banking. Efficiency is key. It all seems like we are in a constant cycling self-perpetuating mode. We must break the cycle but ……… ??????

      • No, not everyone can be included in the complicit of the crimes of USA.
        American citizens are most responsible for war and aggression, while they are the sovereign, they maintain the authority to tell what to do to their military.
        While me or those innocent foreign people have no such authority at all.
        American voters are absolutely guilty when they don’t stop their own military committing a crime in a broad daylight.
        When your military is attacking innocent people, when they are crying out like “Stop it!”, what are you doing in the first place, while this is nothing but your fault.

    • Zartan

      I agree, 100%. However, I do not pay Tax, so I am not Responsible. If everyone was like me, the us government would go broke and be unable to wage useless and illegal wars to murder the innocent for profit. You are right, almost every American is to blame. I keep telling them there will be consequences, however, they have very short attention spans.

      America is a lie, and basically, it is nothing but a big concentration camp with Police on every corner, and over 1-million laws to lock up the common slaves in the worlds largest prison industrial complex. Hell, I would say, Histories LARGEST PRISON COMPLEX!

      America is a LIE … And, I want Some JUSTICE!

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  • Zartan

    Americans are a JOKE!

    How many times do I have to tell YOU, Americans, TRUMP is nothing but a Snake oil Salesman?

    How Many?

    Trump Just Dumped the Healthcare Bill, which was his plan from the beginning!

    You know, America, Every Civilized Nation has Healthcare as a benefit for all of their citizens. No Discrimination, No Special Interest Groups … NO, true Healthcare for all! America is the only nation that uses Healthcare to make people Slaves. You apes do understand that is why YOU cannot have Universal Healthcare, Right?

    Seriously, America … Wake up and Smell the Coffee!!

    ! You paid 4-Trillion dollars, or so, in useless and illegal war to murder for profit and gave 20-Trillion to bail out the bankers who are FKKING you, Daily. Healthcare and BASIC INCOME are cheap by comparison, FOOLS!

    Do not expect me to like you, America, because nobody with a Brain could. Do not ask the Impossible, Facts are Facts, and YOU STINK, AMERICA!