Leading Progressives Kucinich and Greenwald: Even Americans Who Hate Trump Should Defend Him Against Attempted Coup by the “Deep State” … A Coup Which Is Being Attempted “So That This Military Industrial Intel Axis Can Cash In”

Former liberal congressman and presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Tuesday:

What’s at the core of this is an effort by some in the intelligence community to upend any positive relationship between the U.S. and Russia. And I tell you there’s a marching band and Chowder Society out there. There’s gold in them there hills. There are people trying to separate the U.S. and Russia so that this military industrial intel axis can cash in.


The American people have to know that there’s a game going on inside the intelligence community… at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war… that’s what’s at the bottom of all this …. Wake up America!!


What’s going on in the intelligence community with this new president is unprecedented. They’re making every effort trying to upend him.


It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.

Similarly, Pulitzer prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald said today:

The deep state, although there’s no precise or scientific definition, generally refers to the agencies in Washington that are permanent power factions. They stay and exercise power even as presidents who are elected come and go. They typically exercise their power in secret, in the dark, and so they’re barely subject to democratic accountability, if they’re subject to it at all. It’s agencies like the CIA, the NSA and the other intelligence agencies, that are essentially designed to disseminate disinformation and deceit and propaganda, and have a long history of doing not only that, but also have a long history of the world’s worst war crimes, atrocities and death squads. This is who not just people like Bill Kristol, but lots of Democrats are placing their faith in, are trying to empower, are cheering for as they exert power separate and apart from—in fact, in opposition to—the political officials to whom they’re supposed to be subordinate.

And you go—this is not just about Russia. You go all the way back to the campaign, and what you saw was that leading members of the intelligence community, including Mike Morell, who was the acting CIA chief under President Obama, and Michael Hayden, who ran both the CIA and the NSA under George W. Bush, were very outspoken supporters of Hillary Clinton. In fact, Michael Morell went to The New York Times, and Michael Hayden went to The Washington Post, during the campaign to praise Hillary Clinton and to say that Donald Trump had become a recruit of Russia. The CIA and the intelligence community were vehemently in support of Clinton and vehemently opposed to Trump, from the beginning. And the reason was, was because they liked Hillary Clinton’s policies better than they liked Donald Trump’s. One of the main priorities of the CIA for the last five years has been a proxy war in Syria, designed to achieve regime change with the Assad regime. Hillary Clinton was not only for that, she was critical of Obama for not allowing it to go further, and wanted to impose a no-fly zone in Syria and confront the Russians. Donald Trump took exactly the opposite view. He said we shouldn’t care who rules Syria; we should allow the Russians, and even help the Russians, kill ISIS and al-Qaeda and other people in Syria. So, Trump’s agenda that he ran on was completely antithetical to what the CIA wanted. Clinton’s was exactly what the CIA wanted, and so they were behind her. And so, they’ve been trying to undermine Trump for many months throughout the election. And now that he won, they are not just undermining him with leaks, but actively subverting him. There’s claims that they’re withholding information from him, on the grounds that they don’t think he should have it and can be trusted with it. They are empowering themselves to enact policy.

Now, I happen to think that the Trump presidency is extremely dangerous.


And it is important to resist them. And there are lots of really great ways to resist them, such as getting courts to restrain them, citizen activism and, most important of all, having the Democratic Party engage in self-critique to ask itself how it can be a more effective political force in the United States after it has collapsed on all levels. That isn’t what this resistance is now doing. What they’re doing instead is trying to take maybe the only faction worse than Donald Trump, which is the deep state, the CIA, with its histories of atrocities, and say they ought to almost engage in like a soft coup, where they take the elected president and prevent him from enacting his policies. And I think it is extremely dangerous to do that. Even if you’re somebody who believes that both the CIA and the deep state, on the one hand, and the Trump presidency, on the other, are extremely dangerous, as I do, there’s a huge difference between the two, which is that Trump was democratically elected and is subject to democratic controls, as these courts just demonstrated and as the media is showing, as citizens are proving. But on the other hand, the CIA was elected by nobody. They’re barely subject to democratic controls at all. And so, to urge that the CIA and the intelligence community empower itself to undermine the elected branches of government is insanity. That is a prescription for destroying democracy overnight in the name of saving it. And yet that’s what so many, not just neocons, but the neocons’ allies in the Democratic Party, are now urging and cheering. And it’s incredibly warped and dangerous to watch them do that.


The idea that Donald Trump is some kind of an agent or a spy of Russia, or that he is being blackmailed by Russia and is going to pass secret information to the Kremlin and endanger American agents on purpose, is an incredibly crazy claim that has been nowhere proven to be true. It reminds me of the kind of things Glenn Beck used to say about Obama while he stood at his chalkboard and drew those—those unstable charts that he drew, these wild conspiracy theories that are without evidence.

We ought to have a serious, sober, structured investigation of the claims that Russia hacked the DNC and John Podesta’s emails and that there were improper ties between Donald Trump and the Russians, and that ought to be made public so that we can see the information. But this constant media obsession of leaking whatever someone whispers to them about Donald Trump and Russia, because they know it will get their reporters huge numbers of retweets on Twitter and tons of traffic by people who are being fed what they want to hear, is really feeding into the worst kind of hysteria and even fake news that the media says they’re trying to combat. These are really serious claims that merit serious investigation, and that’s exactly what we’re not getting.

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  • Taras77

    Very well stated!

    As noted above, the CIA (maybe FBI) is and has been totally out of control. Does anyone think for a moment that Brennen reported to obama-if anything, probably the other way around. We know what happened to JFK and I’m sure that was in the back of everyone’s mind for the last many years.

    It is going to take someone to stand up, with tons of courage, and take these vipers on. I am not totally optimistic as trump has a habit of shooting himself in the foot just when you think he might be on to something. God knows, this country must be saved from this cess pool out at Langley.

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  • Carl_Herman

    Great points and interview, GW; thank you.

    The interviewers attempt to land punches against Trump at every opportunity. Perhaps this is polarizing the professionals in DC to choose a side: either the ongoing illegal rogue state empire that only and always operates on bullshit (Professor Frankfurt’s academic term for lies of omission and commission to manipulate the public), OR to assert the “Emperor’s New Clothes” facts of illegal wars, bankster looting, and constant lying.

    We’ll see what develops as we best use our thoughts, voice, and actions for virtue.

  • jadan

    Trump is Weasel-in-Chief. It’s not what he says, but what he does. He can lie as easily as the CIA. He may parrot the CIA lie that Russia annexed Crimea and must return it to Ukraine, but this is a strategic retreat from confrontation. ( Obama was a CIA asset. His mother and her parents were CIA. He was never critical of the CIA to my knowledge.) Trump is an oligarch and an autocrat, ie, a CEO of USA, Inc. He says what his opponents want to hear when expedient or necessary. Words are tools. He will do all that he can to assert civilian command and control over the military. No autocrat would do less. He is learning about the nature of national security state, the so-called deep state, but he is not capitulating. Kucinich seems to think Trump is in mortal danger. The sudden retirement of the head of the SS is an indication that Trump is aware of the danger and is securing his perimeters. We will again hear about the “restructuring” of the CIA. The Trump Administration is just learning to walk. I am no fan of Trump, but I wish him success in his confrontation with the vicious bastards in the “intelligence community”. This is the enemy within.

    • Peter Piper

      “I am no fan of Trump, but…” is coward’s talk.

  • Haywood Longview

    Thank you GW, Dennis and Glenn!

    I notice ZeroHedge put up this post very briefly then took it down. What’s up with that?

    I rely on ZeroHedge for a day-to-day window into the drama of a dying capitalist system, but they seem unable to break free from a politics of blame and resentment. Many of Tyler’s incarnations and guest posters are deeply committed to the illusion that Obama and the Clintons, George Soros and Bill Gates represent “The Left”. I have argued against that in their comments sections, and it’s like whistling into the wind.

    Perhaps they are uncomfortable with allowing this meme to be challenged and openly debated, afraid it won’t stand up to the light of day.

    • David Schultz

      The question is are you as progressive as Kucinich or not? Do you really want to end the expensive and wasteful war against Russia even if it means letting Trump do it?

  • jo6pac
  • No More Neos

    Ever since Flynn said that he wanted to restructure and pare back the CIA, they have had him in their crosshairs. The CIA had over $40 BILLION in intelligence gathering before 911 occurred and to what avail? What exactly have they been good for, besides regime changes (81), assassinations (50 -documented), the drug trade (thanks for the heroin epidemic!) and most likely human trafficking, etc. They compete within their 16-department division for budgetary provisions and withhold information from each other! They most definitely need a restructuring, to be pared back or abolished entirely.

    It’s also a fact that the US and Israel’s #1 export is arms sales so any intelligentsia “mishandling” or “blunder” comes in quite handy when the (not-so) hidden agenda is perpetual warfare.

    It’s also curious that Netanyahu was in DC at the exact same time that Flynn was ousted. Does the CIA answer to Israel ultimately? Who’s really calling the shots here? Is it just a coincidence that the CIA and the state of Israel were created within one year of each other? We shouldn’t dismiss this, especially considering what Kucinich reminds us:

    “I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.”

  • No More Neos

    I’d love to hear a story on Mackinder’s Heartland Theory, which appears to still be very much alive a century later. It explains the neocons’ rabid fascination with Russia and their desire to disrupt OBOR, the One Belt One Road Russia-China Eurasia project. How can we reinterpret global trade and geopolitical strategies that could dispel the allure of the “World Island”?

    “Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;

    who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;

    who rules the World-Island controls the world.”

    ~ Mackinder, Democratic Ideals and Reality, p. 194

    “What has happened in Crimea is a response to the format that made Ukrainian democracy collapse. And there is only one reason for this: the anti-Russian policy of the US and some European countries. They seek to encircle Russia in order to weaken and eventually destroy it… There is a certain transnational elite that has been cherishing this dream for 300 years.”

    ~ Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, 19 March 2014


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  • Two Americas

    Kucinich has lost his mind.

  • Pelham

    That little bit in the “Democracy Now” clip of Chuck Schumer echoing Joe Scarbrough and others to the effect that the US intelligence community should have the prerogative and authority to undermine an elected president is in itself a breathtaking assertion.

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