4-Star General Convinces Trump to Reconsider Pro-Torture Stance

I slammed Trump in March for calling for more torture and waterboarding.

I pointed out that the overwhelming majority of military and intelligence experts say that torture prevents the ability to obtain helpful information, makes us less safe, decreases national security and only creates more terrorists.

Saturday, Trump met with a very high-level military man: Four-Star General James Mattis , former head of the U.S. Central Command, Unified Combatant Command and  U.S. Joint Forces Command, as well as being Supreme Allied Commander Transformation.

The New York Times reports:

On the issue of torture, Mr. Trump suggested he had changed his mind about the value of waterboarding after talking with James N. Mattis, a retired Marine Corps general, who headed the United States Central Command.

“He said, ‘I’ve never found it to be useful,’” Mr. Trump said. He added that Mr. Mattis found more value in building trust and rewarding cooperation with terrorism suspects: “‘Give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers, and I’ll do better.’”

“I was very impressed by that answer,” Mr. Trump said.

Torture, he said, is “not going to make the kind of a difference that a lot of people are thinking.”

Exactly …

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  • Exactly the sort of report that was posted by exMI in his blog “Somebody Should Care, Maybe Not You” years ago. The Taguba Report was a necessary expose simply because the GW Bush Administration insisted on taking interrogation away from Army interrogators trained to get actionable intelligence ; placing internees in situations where, deprived of legal status, they could be driven to ‘confess’ to virtually anything and terrorized into submission to indefinite slavery.

  • sisterlauren

    Well that is a relief.

    I always thought the whole US torture program was a way for the pedophiles in office to make themselves look more like normal people. If we all accept their torture of the ‘terrorists,’ then we should also be OK with their torture of small children.

    After all, like Hillary said, “What is the difference?”


    • Swami_Binkinanda

      We know who the pedos are: Republican speaker of the house, conservative football coach, wealthy schmoozers, religious operatives. Flying saucer people can’t be bothered.

      • freedom74

        You are forgetting Clinton and his airplane rides to the private kiddie diddle island. Then of course you have directors, producers and agents who are overwhelmingly liberal and run child abuse mills tied to favors involving money and fame for the children. You also forgot the hundreds of reported abuses in school around the country every year, and yes, school staff happens to be overwhelmingly liberal.

  • January 1, 2015 We’ve Known for Over 2,000 Years that Torture Produces False Confessions

    We’ve Known Since Ancient Rome that Torture Doesn’t Work In 72 BC – 2,086 years ago – Cicero (the well-known Roman philosopher, politician, lawyer, orator, political theorist and consul) pointed out that torture creates conditions of fear and desperate hope in which “there is but little room left for truth”, i.e. that torture is an unreliable method of extracting truth.


  • Feb 23, 2015 CIA Torture Whistleblower John Kiriakou: Wake Up, You’re Next

    Abby interviews CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou in his home.


  • Innocuous

    This will piss off lots of ‘conservatives’.

    • freedom74

      Only the neocons, and the Republican party is done with those Fascist Trotskyites.

  • Harry Heller

    Ridiculous! Real torture works wonders for a nation determined to survive in a hostile world. Waterboarding is a joke, however. And perhaps America is too liberal (read: “weak”) to survive in an intractable world. What we need is real rightwing leadership. Trump is but a baby step in that correct direction.

    • sufferingsuccatash

      Yes torture does work—the more homo-erotic the better.

      • Bezukhov

        Seeing and hearing people tortured gives Jesus a stiffy.

        • Nick Smegg

          Some religious folk will condemn your statement for the second half while ignoring the very real and degrading torture that He went through.

  • Paul X

    This is very encouraging. I always thought that normalization of torture was one of the most vile things that ever happened to our country. Yes, it’s true that theft, murder, torture and other such evils are the tools used to maintain any and all empires, but still it is better to shun that sort of behavior as much as possible, especially the worst examples of them. Trump’s former acceptance of torture was one of his most unappetizing aspects.