US Government Intentionally Destroys 9/11 Evidence

Presumption of a Cover-Up …

Judges and lawyers know that – if someone intentionally destroys evidence – he’s probably trying to hide his crime.  American law has long recognized that destruction of evidence raises a presumption of guilt for  the person who destroyed the evidence.

So what does it mean when the US government intentionally destroyed massive amounts of evidence related to 9/11?

Judge and Prosecutor Destroy Evidence

For example, it was revealed last week that the judge overseeing the trial of surviving 9/11 suspects conspired with the prosecution to destroy evidence relevant to a key suspect’s defense. And see this.

(The Defense Department has also farmed out most of the work of both prosecuting and defending the surviving 9/11 suspects to the same private company.  And the heads of the military tribunal prosecuting the 9/11 suspects said that the trials must be rigged so that there are no acquittals.)

Destruction of Videotapes

The CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.

9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:

Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.


And:

Daniel Marcus, a law professor at American University who served as general counsel for the Sept. 11 commission and was involved in the discussions about interviews with Al Qaeda leaders, said he had heard nothing about any tapes being destroyed.

If tapes were destroyed, he said, “it’s a big deal, it’s a very big deal,” because it could amount to obstruction of justice to withhold evidence being sought in criminal or fact-finding investigations.

Destruction of Air Traffic Control Tapes

The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from the Chicago Sun-Times.

Black Boxes

The FBI long ago found and analyzed the “black box” recorders from the airplanes which hit the Twin Towers, but has consistently denied that they were ever found.

Pentagon Fibs

The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements.

Soviet-Style “Minders”

The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses (and see this).

In other words, the minders obstructed witnesses from openly and candidly talking about what they knew.

Undermining Investigation

President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took the rare step of personally requesting that congress limit all 9/11 investigation solely to “intelligence failures.”

The administration also opposed the creation of a 9/11 commission. Once it was forced (by pressure from widows of 9-11 victims) to allow a commission to be formed, the administration appointed as executive director an administration insider, whose area of expertise is the creation and maintenance of “public myths” thought to be true, even if not actually true, who was involved in pre-9/11 intelligence briefings, and who was one of the key architects of the “pre-emptive war” doctrine. This executive director, who controlled what the Commission did and did not analyze, then limited the scope of the Commission’s inquiry so that the overwhelming majority of questions about 9/11 remained unasked (see this and this).

The administration then starved the commission of funds.  The government spent $175 million – over $300 million in today’s dollars – investigating the Challenger space shuttle disaster. It spent $152 million on the the Columbia disaster investigation. It spent $30 million investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal. But the government only authorized $15 million for the 9/11 Commission.

The government also failed to provide crucial documents to the 9/11 investigators. And see this.

The government refused to share much information with the Commission, refused to force high-level officials to testify under oath, and allowed Bush and Cheney to be questioned jointly.

Moreover, as reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

The 9-11 Commission took this warning to heart, and refused to examine virtually any evidence which contradicted the administration’s official version of events. As stated by the State Department’s Coordinator for Counterterrorism – who was the point man for the U.S. government’s international counterterrorism policy in the first term of the Bush administration – “there were things the [9/11] commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.

Saudi Role

Investigation into Saudi government aid to 9/11 conspirators was also obstructed.

For example, Philip Shenon – the 20-year New York Times reporter who wrote a book on the 9/11 Commission – reports:

The [911] commissioner said the renewed public debate could force a spotlight on a mostly unknown chapter of the history of the 9/11 commission: behind closed doors, members of the panel’s staff fiercely protested the way the material about the Saudis was presented in the final report, saying it underplayed or ignored evidence that Saudi officials – especially at lower levels of the government – were part of an al-Qaida support network that had been tasked to assist the hijackers after they arrived in the US.In fact, there were repeated showdowns, especially over the Saudis, between the staff and the commission’s hard-charging executive director, University of Virginia historian Philip Zelikow, who joined the Bush administration as a senior adviser to the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, after leaving the commission. The staff included experienced investigators from the FBI, the Department of Justice and the CIA, as well as the congressional staffer who was the principal author of the 28 pages.

Zelikow fired a staffer, who had repeatedly protested over limitations on the Saudi investigation, after she obtained a copy of the 28 pages outside of official channels. Other staffers described an angry scene late one night, near the end of the investigation, when two investigators who focused on the Saudi allegations were forced to rush back to the commission’s offices after midnight after learning to their astonishment that some of the most compelling evidence about a Saudi tie to 9/11 was being edited out of the report or was being pushed to tiny, barely readable footnotes and endnotes. The staff protests were mostly overruled.

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But Kean, Hamilton and Zelikow clearly do not speak for a number of the other commissioners, who have repeatedly suggested they are uncomfortable with the perception that the commission exonerated Saudi Arabia and who have joined in calling for public release of the 28 pages.

Indeed, an FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House.

As the New York Times notes:

Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ….The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.

Letting Terrorists Go Free

A former FBI translator who Senators Leahy and Grassley, among others, have claimed is credible, and who the administration has gagged for years without any logical basis — has stated that “this administration knowingly and intentionally let many directly or indirectly involved in that terrorist act [September 11th] go free – untouched and uninvestigated”?

Destruction of Physical Evidence

The former head of fire science and engineering for the agency responsible for finding out why the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7 collapsed on 9/11 (the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology) – who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, with a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering – wrote that evidence necessary to determine the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Centers was being destroyed. And see this.

In addition, the official investigators themselves were largely denied access to the site and the evidence contained there, or even access to such basic information as the blueprints for the World Trade Center.

The government has also refused to release the computer models showing how the trade centers fell, making it impossible for anyone to double-check its assumptions.

Whether you believe the Twin Towers and World Trade Center building 7 were brought down with explosives or by airplanes and fires, destroying evidence prevented engineers and scientists from figuring out what went wrong … to prevent skyscrapers from collapsing in the future.

9/11 Commissioners Disgusted … and Call For a New Investigation

The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:

  • The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”
  • The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
  • The Co-Chair of the congressional investigation into 9/11 – Bob Graham – and 9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerrey are calling for either a “PERMANENT 9/11 commission” or a new 9/11 investigation to get to the bottom of it
  • 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman says that a new investigation should be “vigorously pursued

Planting False Evidence

Planting false evidence is another act which creates presumption of guilt.

The type of torture used by the U.S. on alleged surviving 9/11 co-conspirators is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating FALSE confessions. (and see this, this, this and this).

According to NBC News:

  • Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
  • At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured”
  • One of the Commission’s main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
  • The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves

Pulitzer-prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh – who broke the Iraq torture and Vietnam massacre stories – writes:

Many of the investigators believe that some of the initial clues that were uncovered about the terrorists’ identities and preparations, such as flight manuals, were meant to be found. A former high-level intelligence official told me, “Whatever trail was left was left deliberately — for the F.B.I. to chase“.

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  • cettel

    Thanks again, for another of your definitive reports.

  • jadan

    The evidence that needs to be considered is primary physical evidence. This was immediately removed from the site and destroyed. The NTSB reconstructs debris from an airliner, but no consideration was given to an explanation of what actually happened to the buildings at the WTC and how it happened. The flimsy coverup provided by the NIST “pancake theory”, a group not tasked to do forensic analysis in the first place, is fraudulent. We do not know how the WTC buildings were destroyed and how they came down at free fall speed in defiance of all common sense and structural logic. We do not actually know what happened that day beyond the brute fact that 7 modern buildings were destroyed in a fashion that looks like controlled demolition, but was not. It follows that we cannot know who done it if we don’t know what actually happened. The systematic destruction of physical evidence in the government coverup leaves only the evidence of photos, videos, and eye witness accounts. The only as-thorough-as-possible and competent analysis of this type of evidence I am aware of is to be found in “Where Did the Towers Go?” by Dr. Judy Wood. 90% of the bloviation surrounding 911 is just bloviation.

    • cstahnke

      There is CLEARLY enough evidence to prove that the official story is obviously and blatantly false from start to finish. What actually happened is hard to tell but the outlines should be obvious. If nothing else, all you have to do is look at patterns of how the Deep State actually operates and has operated at least since the end of WWII and the creation of the National Security State. The evidence is broad and deep and easily found. We just are very, very, very reluctant to believe that we live in a tyranny with a sort-of human face. Some details are fuzzy but the main theme is not. We have a Deep State that is superior to the Constitutional structure we think of as the U.S. government. We don’t like to think about it because then, it follows, we ought to do something about it-but we really don’t want to because we are, on the whole, comfortable and the new Netflix shows are great aren’t they? This is just the way it is and we need to accept it. Frankly, we can’t “do” anything about it I can assure you of that. We can help, we can spread the “bad news” but no on will believe us no matter how obvious and impossible to deny the evidence is. We can vote for Bernie or, if we really want to throw a wrench in the works, Trump, I have no advice on what to do–just hang loose and keep our eyes open.

      • jadan

        Can’t disagree. But let’s not be discouraged!

      • mark

        theres the outspoken option – its just the life insurance premiums go through the roof

      • prusmc

        I have some questions:
        1. If Gore was President would 9/11
        a. Been prevented by superior intelligence activity;
        b. Not happened because Gore would not approve an inside job;
        c. Not happened because a democrat administraion would have an enlightened foreign policy;
        d. Not happened because there could be an expectation of a more immediate and awesome retaliatory response;
        e. Investigated with none of the faults outlined in this article and comments?
        2. Since Obama humiliated Bush and Bush has remained a seldom scene pussy since leaving office, why didn’t Obama root out the truth? After all he had loyal democrats ( Graham,Hamilton, Kerrey etc) chomping at the bit to find the truth and inculpate W/Rove. He also had a complete democrate Congress until Jan 2011 and the House proved to be a group of ineffective place holders.
        3.Will Hilary diligently pursue the truth concerning the matter? It could only increase her power over the serfs.
        4. Had Bill received a third term would 9/11 happened?

        a.If so would it be properly investigated? and
        b.What would be the payback?
        5. Forget Trump the media/entertainment axis has driven a stake through his heart.

        • iLLuSioNaTi

          Haven’t you figured it out yet? The Dem’s and the Repub’s are one in the same. They just take turns screwing the public, only to blame it on the other party.

          WAKE UP AMERICA, A TWO PARTY SYSTEM WILL NEVER WORK “FOR” THE PEOPLE, ONLY “AGAINST” US!!!

        • cstahnke

          It probably would have happened just as it did. The reaction may have been different that is why the Deep State “deeply” wanted Bush. I happened, somehow, to have been working on a “Top Secret” gov’t project at the time of the election. One ex-military guy told me that there would be a military a coup if Bush were not declared President. I didn’t believe him at the time but I did after the Supremes handed down their utterly bogus decision giving the Presidency to Bush. Also, Gore, I believe, did not believe he was going to win and did not fight it. I also know, and I’m pretty sure on this one, that Kerry took a dive in 04 and was as shocked as anyone when it turned out he may well have won Ohio–he displayed absolutely no interest in looking into the systemic voter fraud that even out did Florida in 2000.

          • nomadfiles

            Well, I always suspected that Gore took a dive. He seemed to have been trying hard to lose. Sidelined Clinton. Losing debates to Dubya? That embarrassing kiss. Refusing to challenge the Supremes decision. Picking a zionist for a running mate.

        • nomadfiles

          I agree it probably would have happened just as it did. Obama’s refusal to investigate means it was a bipartisan operation. He was selected precisely to cover up the crimes of Bush, to shield him from prosecution.

      • prov6yahoo

        The one thing that is very possible for people to do, but again most do not want to do (including myself), is move to another country, give up US citizenship, and do everything possible not to support the US government. I know US gov controls the world, but separating yourself from “The Great Satan” as much as possible is the greatest act possible.

  • kimyo

    excellent work, thank you. one tiny quibble – this sentence is confusing:

    The government has also refused to release the computer models which the government used to try to explain why the trade centers collapsed are faulty.

  • K. Chris C.

    Many still don’t know that there were Mossad agents dancing across the river that morning. They were arrested and then later went on Israeli TV in an attempt to spin their behavior.

    If you don’t see the Khazarians, you’re blind.

    An American citizen, not US subject.

    • Theodora Angelina

      Like your distinction between American and United States-er.

  • Don’t forget the initial appointment and resignation of Henry Kissinger as the Chair of the 9/11 Commission…

    “The administration also opposed the creation of a 9/11 commission.
    Once it was forced (by pressure from widows of 9-11 victims) to allow a
    commission to be formed, the administration appointed as executive
    director an
    administration insider, whose area of expertise is the creation and
    maintenance of “public myths” thought to be true, even if not actually
    true, who was involved in pre-9/11 intelligence briefings, and who
    was one of the key architects of the “pre-emptive war” doctrine. This
    executive director, who controlled what the Commission did and did not
    analyze, then limited the scope of the Commission’s inquiry so that the
    overwhelming majority of questions about 9/11 remained unasked (see this and this).”

  • sd

    Intelligence from the Asymmetric Threats Division (DO5) a branch of the Joint Forces Intelligence Command (JFIC) intentionally withheld from Congressional inquiry…
    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7269

  • cstahnke

    The vast majority of Americans don’t care about looking into or thinking about 9/11. They want the official story to be true so they believe it even if they don’t “believe it.” When I was “into” 9/11 Truth many years ago I presented the obvious evidence to some pretty smart people with graduate degrees that I hung out with and knew well enough to be honest with–and two of these guys said, on separate occasions exactly the same thing: “even if it’s true, I refuse to believe it.” What can you say to that? I remember providing the most basic and unambiguous information over the years on the internet and in personal conversations about any number of things and, if it is unambiguous, it either gets ignored or gets an answer like, “it’s to complicated, I can’t think about it”, and I say no it’s not it’s obvious and hiding in plain sight. I even got kicked off Naked Capitalism (as “Banger”) because I insisted that the concept of a “Deep State” was real and provided unambiguous proof. I was told to desist and when I did not Yves Smith threw me off the blog despite the fact I was one of the more respected and popular people posting there.

    T. S. Eliot famously wrote “…humankind cannot bear very much reality.” This is not unique to Americans but generally true around the world but Americans seem to be particularly fond of fantasy. I think Evangelical Christians are an example of this love of utterly incredible fantasy easily proven “wrong” so why do we believe these things? Myth, it seems to me, is the most underestimated factor in social life. We cannot live without a mythological framework and it is NEVER based on reality–even the scientific oriented myths are myths. For example, there are phenomena that cannot be investigated scientifically without destroying your career unless you have already achieved such prominence you cannot be excluded from academia (John Mack comes to mind). I note the very same phenomenon with backers of Hilary Clinton who insist she is not a war-hawk simply because they don’t want to think about her as such.

    From all that I can see the modernist idea that we can query ourselves and nature to arrive at “truth” has failed. Reason is no substitute for myth. One can only hope that the new mythological frameworks we are creating (and we have many swirling around us) will be based more on love.

    • nomadfiles

      except that the myths are being created for us and so far the myth makers show no capacity for love

      • Man on the street

        There are very few smart Americans who have the ability for independent thinking like you.

    • cityspeak

      Your comment is one of the best I have read on this subject. It is something I have also experienced discussing 9/11 to many people across the political spectrum.

      The best understanding of this experience is explained as “crime stop” by George Orwell. Jim Douglas has given a great explanation of “crime stop” when lecturing on his book JFK and the Unspeakable.

      Thank you for writing your comment.

      • Man on the street

        No republican ever wondered why W. Bush was against investigating the worst disastrous attack on America? Why did he load all the Saudis on a plane and sent them away before questioning them? Why did the FBI confiscated the security tape from the gas station across from the Pentagone? Why building 7 went down like a pancake on its footprint as typically seen in old Vegas high rise hotels demolition?

        • nomadfiles

          Just as odd leading leftists like Chomsky and Zinn were strangely incurious.

          “World renowned peace activist and left-wing anti-war icon Howard Zinn recently told an audience that he didn’t care if 9/11 was an inside job, echoing the disdainful and apathetic rhetoric of fellow liberal gatekeepers Noam Chomsky and Alexander Cockburn in dismissing the efforts of the 9/11 truth movement.

          Buddy Moore, Independent Candidate for US Senate in Colorado, asked Zinn if he would join him in voicing doubts about the official 9/11 story and in particular the demolition of the twin towers and Building 7.

          Zinn said he was skeptical of the official story but then stated, “I don’t know much about the situation and the truth is, I don’t care that much about it, that’s passed….that’s a diversion from what we really have to do,” adding that debating who was behind 9/11, “gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation”.

          • bahmi

            Chomsky and Zinn are/were both Zionist jews. Kinda makes it obvious they would be incurious when contemplating the 911 event. Lo, Israel owns a nice chunk of the intrigues that accompanied 911. But, currently the blame is being leveled against the Saudis. Diversion is the name of the game. Knowing that the press will not or does not investigate the factual basis of the event, people like Zinn and Chomsky figure they can skate through without giving away their true feelings. Chomsky has an opinion on everything but not on 911??

          • nomadfiles

            thanks. did not know that

            what accounts for the acceptance of the official myth by people like Chris Hedges and Tom Engelhardt?

          • bahmi

            I think the term is “limited cutout”. Some people that have divided loyalties tell some truths, tell some untruths. Does this mean they are bought and paid for? Your call…..

          • nomadfiles

            couldnt find ‘limited cutout’
            do you mean ‘limited hangout’?
            i dont know if they are bought and paid for but i have difficulty bringing myself to read them now, even though they say a lot of things of value. it makes me wonder how much control the controllers have over alternative press. a teaspoon of thought control leavens the whole loaf.

          • Daniel No Passport Bruno

            Not only does 911 truth ( read Bollyn´s work) point to Israel, something far too painful for many jews….. 911 truth upsets the Left-Right paradigm old men like Zinn and Chomsky have built their careers on. They are wedded to the blowback theory and Puritan guilt trips. Chomsky also just came out in support of Clinton. Read that again.

          • nomadfiles

            “Chomsky cited “enormous differences” between the two major political parties.”
            LOL

          • bahmi

            It is not too painful for jews. Talmudists are proud of their attitudes toward the goyim, “they are but mere donkeys serving their jew masters”. Pretty clear how they feel about us, even the “good jews”.

        • hummingbird

          I am sure many republicans and democrats wondered why W. Bush was against investigating the worst disastrous attack on America. They were more interested in keeping their jobs and getting promotions. Like the majority of people, who do not question anything their government does, they believe in authority and that their government is right because it is their government. (Even though they know that they are being lied to, they continue their convenient belief in authority.)
          The fact that many people in government and other organizations are corrupt is known to them, but does not seem to matter much at all, because it is inconvenient to know the truth. Besides: by now they have gotten used to the fact that lies are acceptable and normal. There are just too many cowards who do not have the integrity that should be the goal of any worthy human being.

    • Demonocracy

      I could describe your entire post in two words. “Cognitive Dissonance”.

      That is what the people suffer from, and this mental disorder is promoted by the state.

      • mark

        but the label CD isnt so empowered as the story

    • wunsacon

      >> I even got kicked off Naked Capitalism (as “Banger”)

      Heh… So, I’ve got company, huh? I’ve been implicitly banned from Naked Capitalism (long ago) and from Alternet.

      One NC poster, whom I respect, said that anyone agreeing with the Zimmerman verdict was racist. Even though I expected a guilty verdict and thought ill of Zimmerman, I was shocked that this very smart, very well-read person would make such a blanket statement. When I tried to elicit more information from him (multiple disjointed comments but on the same page), Yves jumped down my throat, called me a troll and a racist, and threatened to erase all my posts. If I can’t carry on a conversation with another commenter, that’s as good as a ban. I was shocked that someone with Yves’ many positive characteristics would be so hostile to a reader who hung around the website for years (because he found value in the writing from Yves and the other commenters). I was expecting more open-mindedness and was rudely surprised.

      Alternet banned me because I — like most other readers there — expressed disapproval over their coverage of Trump/Hillary/Bernie but also dared to ask aloud “why?”.

      Given the foregoing negative experiences, I therefore disfavor suggestions to silence people (e.g., like Diogenes made about Lincoln’s posts — “off”-topic in the conventional sense but not necessary in the broadest sense). Indeed, if you ever read the “hoocoodanode” comment board, the community there is almost *never* on-topic. And yet, I learned a ton from them.

      • cstahnke

        Yves is has “ambitions” that infection that has destroyed much of the left from within particularly in the Washington, New York City, Boston corridor. While her heart is somewhere in shouting distance of the “right place” she is ultimately impressed with status and that’s what she selects for. She gets excited if she sees people at the WH reading her blog–since I’ve known some of those people, believe me, they are highly overrated. She get’s very excited when someone powerful reads her blog–she desires to be influential and does not like people like me to bring in “conspiracy theory” no matter whether there is obvious and easy to prove facts behind it. Simply because it is “off the reservation” for allowable “leftist” comment it has to be stopped. In your case not adhering to “leftist” political correctness, having an open mind, saying that maybe some conservatives ideas have merit, and so on–you get labelled a racist. Once I stated on DKOS and even worse place where I was banned twice many years ago I was harassed and called a racist because I mentioned that illegal immigration was, well, illegal. I have almost “resigned” from the left because there is barely anything vaguely “left” in the left these days of identity politics of one kind or another being the only indicator of radicalism until Sanders has made class-struggle a bit more fashionable again.

        • wunsacon

          >> called a racist because I mentioned that illegal immigration was, well, illegal.

          I have observed this. It seems nigh impossible to talk about limiting immigration (be it legal or illegal) without many on the “left” calling it “racism”. Let’s see… more supply reduces the price at which the labor market clears…leading to lower wages for many Americans (including minorities)…while increasing rents for many Americans (again including minorities) and costs on the social safety net because many of the immigrants are poor.

          • Man on the street

            The neocon took over the conservatives, and also the Tea-Party. The liberals are basically a wasteland of radicals. Hence reasonable people have no place in our current political spectrum. Hence, Trump dumping on the Bush cabal, the Iraq war, and the liberal PC is a breath of fresh air for thinking Americans. Is there enough of us? That question will be answered in November.

          • cstahnke

            We live in a post-modern world few people have been able to see or accept. Normal rules of reason, evidence or dialogue don’t seem operative. We are stepping into a very not very brave new world.

          • cstahnke

            I guess I should just call you a comrade. The old appellations and movements no longer apply. We are entering a post-modern, post-rational era that is more tribal than anything else. We are going into completely new territory in almost every way imaginable and it will be a very bumpy ride in my view.

      • Err Amerika

        Sounds like you’ve allowed yourself to be a little too much consumed by what a comment site arbitrarily decides; I’ve been banned by numerous faux progressive websites for publishing truth, and have decided to move along, and not dignifying them with rants like yours.

        Hey look, we both have just wasted precious moments of our time, discussing nothing.

        Stop complaining and contribute elsewhere, for cry’n out.

        • cstahnke

          We each have our way of approaching the world mine is to comment online–is it useless? Maybe but what is better? I’ve been attempting this at all levels since the late sixties–marching, agitating, organizing (or I should say trying to), monkey-wrenching and so on. I don’t know what else to do other than be who I am.

          • Willis T.

            We must simply ignore “Err Amerika” for she suffers from cognitive dissonance.

    • Dimitri Ledkovsky

      So one wonders why people even bother to write articles such as this one. All of history is corrupted by what it’s presenters fantasize. That 9/11 is part of a centuries long Zionist/Jewish plot still holds water when the involved individuals and groups (neocons, Zionists and crypto Jews all) are revealed. And they all fall back of the ultimate fantasy of God selecting them above all to be the rulers of His Creation – to be the Chosen People. Guess some fantasies are more comforting than others and offer a better excuse for mass murder.

      • hummingbird

        “And they all fall back of the ultimate fantasy of God selecting them above all to be the rulers of His Creation – to be the Chosen People.”

        If only they knew what “God” really had in store for them, and why they were chosen.

      • cstahnke

        While Zionists have a strong influence in all this–the central part of this operation is way beyond Jews as such. The ruling elites have always been closer to Nazis than Jews. Zionists signed up for this after the Deep State in Washington was formed.

        • bahmi

          So Bolsheviks were only formed after the DC deep state was formed, right? I didn’t know the deep state was formed right after the Federal Reserve was created with the aid of some slippery jews. Tell us more.

          • cstahnke

            There was no real Deep State until the National Security Act of 1947. So I don’t know what you are asking. The origins are in the early part of the 20th century but were inchoate until 1947.

          • CookieThumper

            More… Crypto fascist always blame the Jew’s.

    • tjoes

      Proverbs- “While their hatred may be concealed by trickery, their wrongdoing will be exposed in public” and “A lying tongue hates its victims”.

      Do you suggest we abandon Biblical wisdom? Do you suggest that those openly lying to us are doing it for our own good? Do you suggest their trickery should be ignored?

    • Richard Arlen

      EVERYTHING YOU WRITE IS SPOT ON.AND FOR SURE 9/11 AND THE ZIONIST LIE ARE IMPORTANT. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT IS WHAT YOU WRITE ON HUMANITY./U.S. PUBLIC.THERE IS NO ANSWER OR REASONING WITH THESE SMALL MINDED WORKS OF SOME ONES CREATION.THE PUBLIC IS PLAIN ;LAZY;UNCARING ;UNEDUCATED IN THE BASICS .THERE IS NO HOPE EVER OF STOPPING THIS CABAL.IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW ALL ON 9//11 ,AND I KNOW A LOT ,BUT WON T CHANGE ANYTHING IN REGARDS THE PUBLIC!!!!!

      • Jack Frost

        YoU ShOuLd NoT ShOuT !1!

        • iLLuSioNaTi

          WHY NOT?

      • Man on the street

        Perhaps the first step is elect Trump, and empower him to make PC labels a crime against freedom of speech. Once you take the muzzle off the sheeple, they will be free again.

    • Bill H

      When I speak to people about the subject, most immediately completely shut down. I ask them to stop thinking with their hearts, and take in the information with their brains. People in other nation s can do this and that is why most of the educated world understands the truth. But then again, opening your mind to alternative ideas about what happened this day, also leads to the darker truths of our nation: that we have become the evil empire. It is something people cannot fathom.

      • hummingbird

        When I mentioned doubt about the official story and pointed out the discrepancies that were explored by those questioning the events, they were outraged at the idea of my questioning the official report.

        • bahmi

          A high number of people think they love their country more than others and this includes their believing that the government would never lie to them. Rather than spend some quality time learning the truths easily obtainable in various alternate sources, they much prefer to maintain the illusion of US government truthfulness. They are lazy people, they are people mesmerized by their 6pm talking heads on the TV networks.

    • Dutch

      I had the very same experience. Made many folk angry at me for doubting the gov’s story. Very disturbing to me.

    • catniss

      Problem isn’t God…problem is the west’s rejection of Him. Synagogue of Satan replaces the Ekklesia of Christ…Revelation 2.9…Revelation 3.9…notice how they harp on about their “holocaust”? But seeing as they ran the Bolshevik’s and 20 million Christians were dead before HItler even got started? So now the west aborts it’s children and we have same sex blah and tranny blah …check out Molech worship….the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil….but JESUS chased out the MONEY CHANGERS!!! SO don’t blame “religion”…the question is…Which religion do we want? Sure…Mossad/CIA did 9/11 ..and you expected what? Weapons of mass destruction? 🙂 But I agree with the rest of the post 🙂

      • Man on the street

        I agree with you, but, I never use John’s dreams a part of the bible, or the OT for that matter.

      • Chris Williams

        Depends how you define religion. If you are talking about simple faith I can agree. However, if we define religion as a structured faith based system involving the Church then I recommend Helen Ellerbe’s “The Dark side of Christian History” and S Acharya, “The Christ Conspiracy” which demonstrate at least in the case of Christianity, just how deeply religion is part of the problem. I hardly need to examine the arrogant hatefulness of Talmudic Rabbinic creeds or the violent extremism of some Islamic sects.

    • Man on the street

      If you lived your life loving your mother for how nice she was to you, and for her selfless dedication to help you and your other siblings, then, a guy comes up with evidences that your mother was actually a whore and a thief? How likely are you going to accept such evidences?

      Muslim faithfuls who read about their prophet beheading people, and having sex with a 6 years old girl, or with his daughter in law never stop to re-evaluate their adulation of their prophet based on such inhumane and uncivilized conducts.

      How many Muslims, Christians, or Jews reflected on Abraham taking his son to cut his f-King head off because he had a dream? I certainly think that I am, and most of men today are more moral than Abraham who kicked his made and his son out in the desert with no ability to survive. You see once I sold you on a dogma, it is very difficult to abandon such faith! We were told that our government is a force for good, and our enemies are evil, hence, revising such dogma is impossible; only few brave soles can dare to fight their own faith in their God or their governments.

    • bahmi

      Nice piece of writing, thanks.
      I share your angst regarding my failure to make much of a dent in the minds of the dreaded species, the Connecticut Idiot. I found that if a dork editor wrote something that appealed to the species, true or false, they were very likely to accept the explanation. If I did it, quoting the most credible sources, they’d hiss and jeer. Let’s face it, we’ve succumbed to two things. Materialism and Tavistock. The combination has been deadly. We want things so badly, and Tavistock does, too. Our total obeisance to their propagandistic interventions, that is. Have you noticed that a vast horde of Americans are simply ignorant? Unlike other nationalities, Americans have a very hard time hiding the fact they are stupid. Commercial TV forms their mental images. It’s less work if somebody else makes up their minds for them. The education mills are pathetic. Kids “graduate” and are horrible when it comes to simple but effective analysis of problems faced by all Americans. Teachers follow the diktat of the establishment norms, either follow or lose your job. Control is the name of the game here in America.

      • cstahnke

        Funny stuff–Americans don’t try and hide their ignorance but amazing numbers of them brag about it and are ready to hold forth on subjects they know absolutely nothing about without shame. There is no premium on non-technical knowledge in this country–if people know you’ve read books on “deep” subjects they avoid you and try to keep you at a distance as if you had an infection or could corrupt their children.

        • hummingbird

          “My brain is full”…A Gary Larson cartoon.
          There is only that much room for a brain that is inundated daily by mindless stimuli like TV, inane “music” everywhere you go, lawn blowers, cell phones ringing, etc.
          I have noticed that some people in California cannot even understand what “gracias” or “merci” means. For real!

    • prov6yahoo

      You can really sense the fear and feeling of awkwardness when you talk to someone about the 9/11 false flag. It really frightens them to have to think about anything other than what the TV tells them to think, or they just get hysterically mad at you, as the TV actors on the news teach them to.

  • Diogenes Shrugged
    • Chris Williams

      Thanks for posting this from the Corbett Report. I had seen it before but it is certainly worth seeing again and again.

  • Birgit

    “The FBI long ago found and analyzed the “black box” recorders from the airplanes which hit the Twin Towers, but has consistently denied that they were ever found.”

    What airplanes? Tin cans that cut through steel like a hot knife through butter? I’ve never heard such a load of rubbish in my life.

  • Demonocracy

    Watch this 5 hour documentary on 9/11. It’s the most exhaustive I’ve ever seen. Made by the Italians.

    http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167

  • tjoes

    I bet Hillary made a sweet deal that she would stay with hubby while they installed the “7 country in 5 year” plan into the Pentagon. Wonder if it involved making HER president?

    They knew putting the sexually active Jewish tart into the same room long enough with horn-dog Bill, would produce leverage (blackmail) material. Any intel worth their salt would know of his string of women. If there was not some tangible benefit, a real woman would have left him long ago….not Hildabeast however.

  • ignasi

    Truth is the first love of Liberty
    November examinations need solutions

  • Err Amerika

    Is there a single “journalist,” in the entire global mass media, who has the stones to step and blow the lid off what could be the greatest story of modern times?

    If Snowden and or Assange knows so much about everything, why has neither of them as much as farted on the topic?

    If 9/11 was the conspiracy most of us find to be likely, there had to be many conspirisists involved.

    Not one has so far cracked to spill the beans on the greatest event in generations?

    More one thinks about 9/11, more one’s head begins spinning.

    Summary: the official explanation doesn’t hold up; but until anyone involved blows their whistle, we will continue to read articles like these and comment away.

    Unless a conspirator falls upon the ultimate sword, the rest of us will continue forever to spin wheels.

    • 9/11 is such a big deal that the information is not being put on computers or at least not networked ones. According to plan there should be no documents in the system for Snowden or Greenwald or Hersh or Assange to get their hands on.

      There are inadvertent documents only and quashed trails. The likely weak point will be a memoir or a deathbed confession. Anyone who tries to tell the truth (and has evidence) will be ridiculed and then disposed of. 9/11 is an active state secret like the Katyn Forest Executions were in the Soviet Union. It took over sixty years for the truth to come out, reluctantly. 20,000 Polish officers were killed a few hundred a night, mainly by one man with a pistol. You’d think this would be a crime, difficult to cover up. Yet Katyn was fairly successfully covered up.

      Curiously, there were the same kind of rumours and uneasiness about the official Katyn story that there are now about 9/11.

    • Mike K

      In answer to your questions… read the National Security Act (NSA). It SPECIFICALLY inhibits all media outlets from publishing news that might effect national security. The NSA requires all media outlets (big or small) to phone an 800 number to get clearance to publish whenever such content ‘might’ be of concern to ‘national security’. The burden of judgement is on the individual ($250k fine, imprisonment and confiscation of property), on the corporation (in the millions) and on the union that printed or made available that unauthorized information (since at Nixon’s time all media outlets where union shops). The NSA was re-written after the Pentagon Papers by Nixon to assure a full control over controversial news. If you read the NSA, you will realize that it’s entirely possible for 2 or more people to truly ‘keep a secret… secret’. This explains how hundreds of people involve in something like the 9/11 attack… and cover-up… can’t get their message out.

      • Err Amerika

        It’s easy these days to get messages out; without taking the time required to read the NSA, does it apply to foreign journalists too?

        • prov6yahoo

          Real ‘murcans don’t believe anything them furrin’ jobbies say!!

    • cstahnke

      One problem most Americans have is that they don’t understand “the street” very well. Unless you’ve been involved in where the rubber meets the road and understand that all those movies stories about hit-men corrupt cops and so on are actually real you can’t understand what goes on in the world. Those that planned and carried out 9/11 are part of a Deep State that has been fully in charge of the country since 1963 and some believe as early as when the National Security Act was passed in 1947. These people operate in secret, have no limits in terms of budget and power–they can and do kill anyone in their way and will torture your daughter if they have to control your activity whether you are a journalist or public official. That’s the way “the street” operates or, to be more precise, the way ancient historians and Shakespeare knew things operated. The only log in our eyes is the bizarre and insane ideology of American Exceptionalism which believes that, somehow, Americans are virtuous by definition and immune from historical realities that every other Empire has faced.

      • prov6yahoo

        Yes, the American Exceptionalism myth works hand-in-hand with US deep state being able to get away with its crimes – “but our government protects us, they don’t want to hurt us, they’re a force for good in the world”

      • Gordon

        They made Perot step down by sending a special forces man to a rally in St Petersburg and threaten his daughter. At the time, when {Perot said he was getting out because someone threatened his daughter, everyone thought it was a joke.But it turned out to be HW Bush running a hit squad out of the White House. The sources are all out now if you search the internet.

        • cstahnke

          Maybe. Certainly it was a strange period. What I do know for sure is that the forces of the Deep State, as I stated, were fully capable of doing such a thing and do make offers that cannot be refused not just to American politicians (usually not necessary) but foreign ones as well particularly in Europe where the American operatives are closely allied with European state security services.

  • donilo252525

    9/11 marked a huge success for the manipulation of the hearts and minds of masses of people. How else could one explain the fact that we still argue over this flagrant False Flag 15 years later?

  • Michael Morrissey

    What about the dozens of videos of the Pentagon?

  • disqus_eEbPU3IGDU

    The 9/11 coverup is coming apart fast. It may not be long before we know the entire truth.

    • cstahnke

      I hope you’re right but it is very unlikely. Most people don’t want to know the truth about anything either in the public sphere or personal except in very small doses.

  • BoxcarBill

    Michael Chertoff.

  • Indicator: FALSE FLAG EXPOSED

  • bahmi

    It’s really rich to hear what the so-called good guys/investigators said about their not getting the straight dope about this event. They are a HUGE part of the problem. Rather than use their power positions to push hard against the conspirators and liars this government is known for, these pansies played mumbledy peg, whined and moaned about the failure to give them the truth and nothing but the truth. Yes, they could have been threatened, they could have been forewarned that they or their families would be murdered by the slime hindering this “investigation”, but make no bones about it. This was a complete TEAM effort, bums were on both sides of the fence. And, another investigation will face stalling and stonewalling ad nauseam. Our government needs to be replaced, plain and simple. He ain’t perfect, but Trump is the only candidate who stands even a remote chance of turning this abhorrent mess around in our favor.

  • prov6yahoo

    My best guess would be that the CIA/Zionists facilitated the hijackers in getting onto the planes. Planes were either remote controlled by military into the towers or it was missiles and trick photography. Missiles were used on Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. Where missiles were used planes were possibly remote controlled far out to sea and exploded. It would really be nice to know exactly what happened and all the history and actors behind it.

  • Daniel No Passport Bruno

    Controlled demolition easy visuals anyone can see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfPPKOOVREs

    • jimminn

      I am getting sick of the hand in the way so you can’t read the text. Just have the text show up and eliminate the hand. Thank you

  • Daniel No Passport Bruno

    Murder of ex CIA pilot Phil Marshall before he was to publish about 911 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QItnaWtS2MU

  • Daniel No Passport Bruno

    Math proof of informed trading prior to 911 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTkG-WEUL2c

  • Elderly R. Staff

    How many of these bods will escape high treason charges?

  • charger john

    Until all perps of 911 are executed, we have no legitimate government in the United States. The fingerprints of zionist jews are all over this attack upon our Republic. Lets see them all hang just like the Nazi’s. Jew bastards infiltrate our country and then commit acts of war on innocent civilians. They want it all. They are ruthless and pure evil.

  • Laszlo G Meszaros

    It’s so sad to see the American Dream vanishing (although it is necessary to happen when people are ignorant).

  • mannymoe

    Let us not forget the ‘dancng Israeli’s’ connection..the Mossad was complicit in this complex operation including many others; Chertoff, Silverstein, Muhlcasey, Zelikow, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, et al. many in the CIA, FBI, NIST, etc…the tentacles of corruption and murder run deep into the American
    Government and Military. Solve this ‘crime of the century’ and you will expose the underbelly of this ‘evil’
    system.

  • Jana

    I don’t dare speak out about about 911 if I want people to not think I am crazy. If I do I am labled a conspiracy theorist. No I am looking for the truth. My belief in my government changed drastically after this happened. There is too much overwhelming evidence pointing to a cover up. I am so tired of America and the blind sheep syndrome which has been perpetuated all these years. My eyes are wide open. I am not a nut job. I am a skeptic. Open minded with, I hope, a discerning mind for the truth. Too many people believe what they are told, instead of taking the time to do some true research. I am a super sensitive person, so this new found awareness makes life a lot harder. Accepting our government is corrupt and blanketed in lies takes away that feeling of security I once had. I, unfortunately feel that it is going to take a huge tragedy that will have to affect most of the American people in their daily lives that cannot be ignored, for people to wake up. Wow it feels good to speak out.

  • Rocketman

    This is the EXACT same thing that was done after the Kennedy assassination to cover up some of the government role in the murder. I didn’t want to believe that the government was in any way responsible for 9/11 but it looks to me more and more that this is the case.

  • travis690

    This is why further investigations are needed. And ALL investigations in the future should be in public. If any verbal testimony or depositions are taken, they should be public…quickly. After all, the supposed hijackers are all dead, right?

    The original “investigation” was done in a way that the results were pre-determined. There was already a target on Osama bin Laden; why not find something new to pin on him? Considering the supposed methods of operation of al Qaeda, did anyone really think they would deny the attack?

    Everyone still alive that could be connected to this event, even somewhat remotely, should be invited to testify under oath about what they know. Once again, in public. Without immunity from prosecution. Or execution, for that matter. Especially if they were/are government employees.

    Keep in mind that to be called a conspiracy, there has to be a plan to commit a crime. Theorizing about what may have happened is not a conspiracy; it just involves connecting the dots.

    As Mark Twain said: “Every politician deserves two terms. The first in office, and the second in prison.”

    That goes for these criminals, too.