Clinton Will Build Her Biggest Lead on March 15. Sanders Will Erode It After That.

By Gaius Publius, a professional writer living on the West Coast of the United States and frequent contributor to DownWithTyranny, digby, Truthout, and Naked Capitalism. Follow him on Twitter @Gaius_Publius, Tumblr and Facebook. Originally published at at Down With Tyranny. GP article archive here.

Don’t question the lizard. The lizard knows.

I’m keeping this short to put a very simple idea into your head. Because of the way the Democratic Party voting calendar is structured this year, Clinton’s largest lead will occur on March 15. After that, most of Sanders’ strongest states will vote.

What this means is simple:

  • Hillary Clinton will grow her lead until the March 15 states have voted.
  • Bernie Sanders will erase that lead — partly or completely — after March 15.
  • How much of Clinton’s lead he will erase depends on your not buying what the media is selling — that the contest is over.
  • In most scenarios where Sanders wins, he doesn’t retake the lead until June 7, when five states including California cast their ballots.

March 15 is the Ides of March; a good way to remember the date. The message — gear up for a battle after the Ides of March, and don’t let the establishment media tell you what to think. They won’t be right until the last state has voted.

If you want to stop reading here, this is all you need to know.

The Data

Now the data. One of the best data-stitians I’ve come across is a diarist at Daily Kos named MattTX. Matt is very good, professionally good, at this stuff. In a long, carefully-reasoned diary, “How Bernie Sanders can win the Democratic nomination,” he lays out six scenarios for the race, in five of which Bernie Sanders wins the nomination (the other is a current baseline with no momentum). He presents them in a parallel fashion, and each presentation differs only in changing a small set of assumptions. Once you understand how to read the first one, you can read the others easily.

The first three scenarios are “static” — they assume that the national polling remains fixed throughout the race. He then runs the numbers on each state race for the following assumptions:

  • The polling stays fixed at Clinton 49%–Sanders 42%, a 7-point Clinton lead.
  • The polling stays fixed at Clinton 45%–Sanders 45%, a dead heat.
  • The polling stays fixed at Sanders 47%–Clinton 44%, a 3-point Sanders lead.

Then he looks at what “momentum” looks like in a number of recent presidential contests (it actually can take a number of shapes) and chooses a momentum pattern associated with Obama’s win over Clinton in 2008. (Click here to see that chart.)

His final three scenarios are “dynamic” variations of his static ones, with shifting momentum off the current baseline. In each of these, Sanders wins, each time overcoming the bulge in the Clinton lead that comes on March 15. In the narrowest of these winning scenarios, the March 15 bulge is quite large, +184 delegates for Clinton.

Note that the data in Matt’s piece was run prior to South Carolina’s results, so Sanders has some additional ground to make up. Still, Sanders is right to “take it to the convention.” Most of his strength comes after most of Clinton’s, and Sanders could easily surprise in his states, just as Clinton will surprise in some of hers. Again, we won’t know who has the lead for good until after California and four additional states vote in early June.

Bottom line — What looks bad for Sanders supporters on March 1 will look worse a few weeks later. But stay heartened. Whatever the result through March, this isn’t over until June, after Sanders’ best states have voted as well.

(Blue America has endorsed Bernie Sanders for president. If you’d like to help out, go here; you can adjust the split any way you like at the link. If you’d like to “phone-bank for Bernie,” go here. You can volunteer in other ways by going here. And thanks!)

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  • jo6pac

    There’s good news on the hillabilly run for potus, google do no harm has her back. This would make E. Barneys and J. Gobbles proud.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44353.htm

    I don’t know anything about research but if these fellows are right then the cia seed money used to start google was will worth it.

    I’ll be voting for Bernie in Callis prime but Green in the potus show but we the people are screwed if it is one the 2 parties that are the same:(

    • Brockland A.T.

      Serious political activism is going to have to address the system itself it it wants a future.

      Proportional Representation, an idea who’s time has come!

      Get the government you want, today!

      http://www.fairvote.org/research

  • kimyo

    sanders regularly misdiagnoses the problem and thus his ‘solutions’ are doomed to fail.

    in the case of education, we don’t need more college graduates. the last ten years have provided clear proof that the current system has failed to deliver the skills necessary for students to succeed.

    doing the exact same thing (running another 10 million kids thru the same failed system) can only deliver the same result.

    making it free doesn’t benefit the kids, it just puts more cash in the hands of the college administrators who are far more concerned with giving themselves 6 figure bonuses and free nyc housing while they manage multi-billion dollar endowments. the same folk who hire non-english-speaking adjuncts at starvation pay to teach 400+ kid classes.

    as with the v.a. scandal, he’s fixing the wrong problem. his solution is always to throw money at the very people responsible for the mess.

    choose to employ adjuncts who can barely speak english to teach 400+ size classes. the administrators are far too busy managing

    • Brockland A.T.

      Bernie Sanders is the anti-savior of the left. Liberal progressives aren’t always the sharpest minds at the wheel, but the infatuation with Sanders is really up there in la-la land, easily rivaling gun control fantasies.

      http://original.antiwar.com/chris_ernesto/2016/02/12/bernie-hysteria-and-liberal-hypocrisy/

      http://original.antiwar.com/chris_ernesto/2015/11/13/bernie-war-and-the-empires-pie/

      http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-the-ron-paul-of-the-left/

      Sanders one qualification for the presidency is being a more skilled and charismatic liar than Hilary.

      • Blake Beagelsmith

        upset baby boomer?

        scummy

      • Gforce27

        Sanders is a liar? Evidence please…

        • Carolyn Campbell

          Here’s one: Bernie repeatedly says he has no super PAC support and only gets money from individual donors who give $27. Pants on fire! Google the Nurses Union super PAC and see how Bernie benefits from their BIG bucks.

          • Sandra

            Why are you lying about this? The Nurses Union is not a superPAC like HRC has with a bunch of lobbyists and corrupt corporate sorts contributing millions. It’s simply a union of nurses, working people who banded together to contribute their money because they know that Bernie Sanders will do more for healthcare than anybody else. You are the pants on fire one, along with the corrupt corporate media that wants the corporate-bought candidate.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            A super PAC is a super PAC. Follow the link. Plus Asher Edleman, who was one of the inspirations for the nefarious corporate raider Gordon Gekko in the movie “Wall Street” endorsed Bernie. Yikes! http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-super-pac-218478

          • Cindy

            Even Gordon Gekko realizes the evils of his ways…how cool!

          • Sandra

            Yes, and that’s a good thing, because even Asher Edelman, understands how messed up our system has become from the corrupt influence of big donor money on politics and the rigging of our financial systems to benefit just a few. He realizes it isn’t good for the long-term and he said:

            “When you have the top one percent getting money, they spend five-ten percent of what they earn. When you have the lower end of the economy getting money, they spend a hundred, or a hundred and ten percent of what they earn. As you’ve had a transfer of wealth to the top, and a transfer of income to the top, you have a shrinking consumer base, basically, and you have a shrinking velocity of money.”

            “Bernie is the only person out there who I think is talking at all about both fiscal stimulation and banking rules that will get the banks to begin to generate lending again as opposed to speculation.”

            http://usuncut.com/politics/gordon-gekko-sanders/

            And, no, a union of nurses is really different than when a bunch of lobbyists and Wall Streeters try to game the system.

          • Cindy

            Everyone knows the nurses endorsed him and they alone made that
            pac…..I wonder what special favors “nurses” are going to hold over him
            other than supporting unions which Bernie has supported all his life
            for workers…maybe they will demand more comfortable nursing shoes
            because they are on their feet all day with patients? ha

        • Sandra

          Looks more like Brockland A.T. is a liar. Or crazy.

        • Brockland A.T.

          I thought the links covered that, like voting against war then voting to pay for them and making sure some of the F-35 porkbarrel was in his state.

          Charisma is convincing people to go along with lies ’cause its really just, you know, flexibility and pragmatism and principles ‘remain intact’. Sure.

          http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-bernie-sanders-conflicting-policies-guns-energy-defense-immigration-2139958

          There was also fake Sanders LBGT support, that never was particularly longstanding.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-anderson/the-big-bernie-sanders-li_b_9097284.html

          A more accurate accounting of more ordinary false statements can be found here:

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/statements/byruling/false/

          Bernie also lies about remedies for the global economy, from a certain point of view. Protectionism may not bring jobs to America; its argued those jobs no longer exist, replaced by automation, and, global action on things like climate change requires the cooperation of countries like China that would be impoverished by raising American trade barriers.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/07/bernie-sanderss-two-big-lies-about-the-global-economy/

          Trump makes similar arguments; Trump is supposed to be different from Sanders and not as smart. The point is, Sanders’ policy may be mechanically unworkable; either there is a real plan or agenda that isn’t mentioned, or, Bernie is not the anti-Trump at the policy or intellectual level he’s presented as.

          Bernie Saunders also campaigns on holding public officials accountable. Well, Hillary should be roasting over Benghazi and her private email server, but Bernie hasn’t exactly gone for the jugular and made only token fuss about serious events that should be his slam-dunk to the Democratic ticket.

          As stated, Bernie is a more charismatic liar than Hillary. At the very least, refusing to bury her with her biggest and most serious faux pas, suggests he’s not all that against them.

          He’s branded a socialist, but its come to the attention of many, he’s disowned real socialists, the guys who helped give him his start. He never really was a socialist.

          http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-vermont-political-party-bernie-sanders-founded-isnt-into-him-anymore

          For some, that’s a good thing. To a more objective observer, this indicates Sanders is as at least as dangerous an opportunist as any other politician. If he were a real socialist, great, but he’s not. He excels at the most dangerous level of lies, lies of perception, and when you approach the truth, its noxious.

          Real, consistent socialist FUBAR or real, consistent capitalist FUBAR is much easier to unravel than WTF where and what the hell did that come from FUBAR.

          http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/21/bernie-out-of-the-closet-sanders-longstanding-deal-with-the-democrats/

          • Sandra

            The countries that do much better for their citizens than the USA does all combine some degree of socialism with some degree of capitalism. We don’t need a pure socialist system, we need a system that works for the people, which will probably be some sort of combination.

          • Brockland A.T.

            Many of the countries you refer to, particularly the Nordic democracies, have more efficient democratic systems that more accurately reflect the will of the people.

            In a working democracy, its far harder for those at the top to rewrite the rules exclusively in their favour, to electorally deny popular will and fool all of the people, all of the time and enforce the foolery. Though of course they will try and occasionally score, real democracy gives We, the People a fighting chance.

            http://www.fairvote.org/proportional_representation

            The economic system is hostage to the political system. The fair balance you seek, has been and will continue to be denied by those who benefit from the divide and conquer nature of majority rule electoral politics.

    • Blake Beagelsmith

      you are confused.

      • kimyo

        of the roughly 12 million diplomas granted to students over the last decade, only a third have led to jobs.

        the remaining 2/3rds of graduates would have been far better off just saying no.

        what grade would you give to the college administrators responsible for this outcome?

        • Blake Beagelsmith

          you are perhaps less confused than i thought. though the real issue for the lack of jobs is our stagnant and eternally dwindling economy. people like to talk about the symptoms; while we should be discussing the cause. very American of of us as a whole ( of course) .
          the American economy and the jobs and various successes that come with surplus can never be achieved until our financial system is wrested from the international & domestic financial terrorists, who have kept our country in perpetual debt & war. without war; the illusion would of shattered decades ago.

          i give the college administrators an F though. generally; they are nasty corrupt capitalist trash; like the rest of the majority of our system …..more concerned with making money and accumulating student debt; than educating & arming the next generations for the would be job world.

          • kimyo

            doesn’t the ‘solution’ proposed by sanders reward the very same ‘nasty corrupt capitalist trash’ you’ve graded F?

            another decade spent running another 12 million kids thru the same exact system will deliver the same exact results, while continuing to enrich those responsible for failing to deliver a useful education.

            to boot, this occurs during a time when the technology revolution could have served to sharply reduce the cost of education while providing a superior result. instead, it’s i-pads from coast to coast, mostly used to play candy crush.

          • Sandra

            No, Bernie Sanders does not want to reward the system. If he had been in office, he would have jailed the bankers who caused the economy to crash and if he gets in office, he may still be able to take some actions. That’s why the corporate media is so against him. We need to also elect people to Congress who will support Bernie’s agenda, but he has inspired people to run. Here’s a partial list, but there are more: http://sandersdemocrats.com

          • kimyo

            how is handing two billion dollars to the v.a. administration not ‘rewarding the system’? the veterans still await long overdue care.

          • Sandra

            Has some of that not been solved? I know that Bernie pushed for community health centers so veterans would not have to travel so far for healthcare, but since I am not a veterans, I’m not in that system.

          • kimyo

            here’s my simple thought experiment: if the v.a. has delivered care to all the vets waiting in line, wouldn’t they be broadcasting that on every available channel?

            as they are not, one is unfortunately forced to conclude that hundreds of thousands of vets are still waiting for treatment.

          • Sandra

            No, most of the media has been taken over by just a few corporations. Experienced journalists have been kicked out of their jobs and in a lot of places now, we barely have functioning media. The new (cheap) hires are told to turn out clickbait. They are pressed to turn out volumes of short posts that are severely lacking in facts and are mainly measured by how many people click on the post. That’s why you see so many deceptive headlines. It’s very unlikely you’d get much info about the veterans getting healthcare, but the reason Bernie decided to run for president is because a veteran asked him to do so. Bernie and his wife, Jane, were eating in a Denny’s and a veteran came over to thank him for some personal attention that had helped him get his benefits. Bernie and Jane had just been talking about whether he should enter the race or not, but hadn’t decided. After thanking Bernie, the veteran told him that if Bernie would run for president, he would be most honored to vote for him. After the veteran walked about, Jane turned to Bernie and said, “Okay, I guess you have to do it.”

          • kimyo

            hilarious story, bro.

          • Sandra

            If somebody like Elizabeth Warren had been willing to run, I’m sure Bernie Sanders would never have entered the race, but nobody else was stepping up to push the reforms he knows we need. Do you think we’d even be talking about income inequality and climate change if he weren’t in the race? Bernie has something like seven grandchildren and he’s worried about the kind of world they’re going to have to deal with if this country keeps going off track.

          • kimyo

            has some of that ‘not been solved’?

            The Unfinished VA Hospital That’s More Than $1 Billion Over Budget

            A decade ago, plans were drawn up for a huge Veterans Affairs hospital near Denver intended to replace old and crowded facilities for nearly 400,000 vets in Colorado and neighboring states.

            The original budget was $328 million, but that was totally unrealistic, the VA now acknowledges. So how much did it finally cost?

            Well, it’s still not finished and the price has hit an eye-popping $1.7 billion, making it one of the most expensive hospitals in the world according to some accounts.

            $1.7 billion, yet, not one single veteran treated.

          • Cindy

            Haha

            “Meanwhile, the VA’s first suggestion about how to acquire additional
            funding was to take money from a program Congress created just last
            year. The Veterans Choice Act allows vests to be seen by private doctors if they’ve waited too long for care at VA facilities. Congressional leaders stepped in and told the VA it can’t touch that money.”

            “Meanwhile, the VA’s first suggestion about how to acquire additional funding was to take money from a program Congress created just last year. The new program allows veterans to be seen by private doctors if they’ve waited too long for
            care at VA facilities. Congressional leaders stepped in and told the VA
            it can’t touch that money.”

            Those are Bernie’s programs…

          • Cindy

            “how is handing two billion dollars to the v.a. administration not ‘rewarding the system’?”

            um – because it is for veterans – you know those people that put their life on the line for you everyday yet have been underfunded because of the corrupt system blocking proper funding looking for those “cuts”?

            “the veterans still await long overdue care”
            With Bernie’s help there has been a lot of progress -and there would be a lot more if Bernie had his way. You know – more funding to veterans and higher taxes to the billionaires. 🙂

          • kimyo

            what could possibly make you conclude that ‘it’s for the veterans’? your naivete is breathtaking.

          • Cindy

            And what department do you think it was for?

          • kimyo

            the falsification of records department, duh. how else could the administrators award themselves million$ in bonu$e$?

            Leaked Document: Nearly One-Third Of 847,000 Vets With Pending Applications For VA Health Care Already Died

            WASHINGTON — More than 238,000 of the 847,000 veterans with pending applications for health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs have already died, according to an internal VA document provided to The Huffington Post.

          • Cindy

            I had to sift through so many articles to find one that hit it on the head as to where this all started that wasn’t full of BS..lol
            The VA has been underfunded for years….and rather than than type it out – as you, I will put an article in…but bad apples in this no doubt – like flint…

            http://www.thenation.com/article/why-va-suffering-lack-resources-first-place/

          • kimyo

            like flint, do the emergency funds allocated benefit the victims? or, is nestle the prime beneficiary?

            is sanders closer to hercule poirot or, maybe more like mr. magoo?
            Report: VA scandal probe targets potential obstruction of justice

            Sharon Helman, the hospital director who has been placed on administrative leave with two other senior colleagues, instituted a program during 2013 billed as an effort to improve access for veterans, In fact, it was misleading and filled with inaccurate or unsupported data, the report said.

            She cited those efforts in her self-assessment, and it factored into her job rating and ultimately led to a 1.5% pay increase from $169,900 to $172,449, plus a bonus of $8,495, according to the report.

        • Ryan Showalter

          Keep in mind that statistic is based on getting a job up to six months after graduating. If you get hired in the field two years later, it doesn’t count.

    • Ryan Showalter

      One, his plan for college is in COMMUNITY colleges, NOT the universities, where your 6 figure ceo’s reside. With student debt at over 1 trillion dollars, I simply don’t see how you think shouldering the youngest workers with that is a good thing.

      Second, the education college provides is fine in many fields, the problem is that too many employers want mid level employees in entry level jobs to maximize production. Any specialized job that requires a degree has this problem. “Entry level” yet 3+ years experience? Of course most graduates can’t find a job easily when companies have those conditions.

      With the V.A. he wants to help those who currently need it, but to also make sure more don’t need it he’ll stop the war mongering and regime toppling that’s helped add trillions to the national debt.

      What other candidate would do any of these things, as well as have policies favoring long-term growth?

      • kimyo

        i didn’t realize he was talking about community colleges only, thank you for setting me straight.

        on the v.a., however, i stand by my argument that his lavish funding is going to benefit the corrupt, in place administrators far more than any of the vets awaiting care. the same people who falsified wait times while awarding themselves bonuses.

        the ‘what other candidate’ argument is why we have the problems we face today. many voted for obama for that very reason. you see where that got us.

        lastly, exponential growth is not possible on a finite planet.

        • Gforce27

          Single payer. Most of the world has it! I’m an American in Canada, and you would not believe how much simpler it is to get medical care in this country. You show up to your doctor, walk in clinic, or hospital, hand them your medical card, they enter it the system, hand it back to you….and that’s it. No forms, no paying. Wait times aren’t any worse than in the States, and as an added bonus, you’re not going to going to bankrupt your family if you get cancer. Furthermore, taxes aren’t that much higher. Also, corruption does not seem to be much of an issue.

          The best thing of all; I never have to worry about whether I can take my child to the doctor. Corruption does not seem to be much of an issue.

          • Schnee Wolfe

            I’m a Canadian living in Canada, and can confirm all you’ve said… the other thing though, notice how you and I are ignored to the point of being shunned… no one wants to admit the truth, other than Bernie, that America is a Broken System, both their Government / Election Processes, Healthcare and Economics… #FeelTheBern

        • Sandra

          Obama was a completely different case than Bernie Sanders. Obama took big donor money from a lot of the same people that are funding Hillary, so he was beholden to them when he got in office and it showed. We saw it with the appointments from Wall Street and Monsanto, the lack of fight for the public option in healthcare, all the way to the current push for the TPP. Bernie Sanders is not beholden to any of the corporate/elite crowd because he is funded by us. That means that Bernie is free to work for us, just as he has always done. You can look him up on YouTube and see speeches he gave in the 80s where he was already talking about income inequality and a lot of the same stuff he talks about today. It’s just that people are listening now.

          • kimyo

            do you support the f-35 program? how ’bout extra-judicial death by drone?

          • Sandra

            Bernie has spoken out against the f-35 program, but couldn’t defeat it. One man cannot do everything alone and that’s why he calls for a movement of the people to be more active in politics in order to get real change.

          • kimyo

            obama has spoken out against guantanamo, but couldn’t close it. one man cannot do everything alone……..

          • Sandra

            Yes, and that’s why we need to vote new people into Congress and be very vocal with the ones left about what we want them to do. Not enough people call and email their Congress critters.

        • rogerbinion

          No, he’s not talking about just community colleges. He’s talking abut ALL state funded universities. Ohio State, Michigan, University of Wisconsin, New Mexico State, etc.

          Free community colleges was an idea floated by Obama.

      • kimyo

        i went to his site – what sanders said is It’s Time to Make College Tuition Free and Debt Free
        (from his issues page, #2)

        MAKE TUITION FREE AT PUBLIC COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

        we are not, therefore, talking about ‘COMMUNITY’ colleges. funding tuition at a public universities such as uva would indeed benefit the six-figure administrators who have ruined the system.

        plenty of six-figure administrator salaries are listed here: University of Virginia faculty salaries released (link to pdf file)

        • rogerbinion

          Even Bernie supporters don’t know his own platform. That speaks volumes.

          I’m a Hillary supporter and even I knew this was Bernie’s plan.

      • rogerbinion

        Ryan,

        Your first sentence is incorrect. His plan is for STATE universities, you know, The Ohio State University, Michigan State, The University of Texas, The University of California, etc. It is NOT just for Community Colleges. That idea was floated by Obama.

  • jadan

    As the establishment goes, so goes Hillary. The phony stock market bell weather is stuck together with duct tape, but it will come apart and remind people that business-as-usual doesn’t work and fundamental change is needed. This is why Sanders is running in the first place. Sanders needs crisis to win. Doubtful Hillary gets assassinated. Who would bother?

  • Mar 4, 2016 Anarchast Ep.280 Andrew Treglia: Anarchy in Hollywood

    Jeff interviews well known film maker Andrew Treglia, topics include: realizing you are a voluntarist, people are mostly Libertarians but they don’t know it, the Kim Dotcom raid, Anarchists in Hollywood, a bull market in freedom, people do not turn back to statism after becoming anarchists, the truth takes the lead eventually making an Anarchist film, fear and lazy thinking prevents change, Trump and Sanders will realize they are powerless if they get in power, the inherent contradictions of the statist mind, Anarchapulco 2017!

    https://youtu.be/R-F8ZdpBesw

  • Blake Beagelsmith

    wall street whore hillary is done

    • kimyo

      from your mouth to god’s ears……

    • rogerbinion

      I suggest you check out the results from the March 15th primary. Or not. You will not be pleased.

  • Spelunker4Plato

    The only reason I joined the DP is to vote for Sanders. If he loses, Clinton will still not have my vote. I will not support a known liar who changes her tune ONLY when she finds it politically expedient. She was for fracking before she was against it, she supported Goldwater who was against desegregation, she was against gay marriage, she was for the wars.

    I will not vote for Clinton. The DNC will be missing a big opportunity to draw in independents and actual leftists a different crowd by nominating another corporatist.

    • Spelunker4Plato

      Julian Assange and Ed Snowden release info about this corrupt country, and they’re character is assassinated by the media. But somehow when leaders do it, they’re rewarded with notoriety and chances to gain more power.

      • Plato, would roll over in his grave if he read your crap which is fictitious – spurious and fallacious…not based on one fact… Plato said: “it is not the role of the one who points our the Self-evident (ie. the truth) to prove it, but the obligation of the one who denies the self-evident to absolutely negate it.

        • Marge

          What part is fictitious? These are known facts. Nothing to prove.

          • feloneouscat

            Hillary Clinton will grow her lead until the March 15 states have voted.

            March 15 came and went and Sanders is even further behind. The polls for the next seven states show Clinton ahead in all but two.

            That is evidence.

            The bottom line is that Sanders can not win.

          • GodBlessRealAmerica!!

            Crooked Hillary is a joke like you!

          • feloneouscat

            Prove that she is crooked.

            You can’t make absurdist statements without proof.

        • Mark Laszlo

          Would you please supply the full Plato quote & it’s location in his writings? As much as you gave seems semantically, hence logically, incomplete. It needs it’s context to make complete sense. Also, there is some dispute about facts in this argument. Please add to your credibility by helping others check that quote.

          • feloneouscat

            Plato said: “it is not the role of the one who points out the Self-evident (ie. the truth) to prove it, but the obligation of the one who denies the self-evident to absolutely negate it.”

            What “Plato” is saying is “those who disagree with ’the Truth’ are obligated to provide reasons”. In essence, Gaius Publius offered no proof that Clinton would win, merely an opinion. That’s okay. But arguing that an opinion is fact, is pretty broken.

            As for the Plato “quote”:

            “Quotes found on the internet are frequently dubious” – Plato

            I searched for this quote (after fixing the misspelling) and was unable to find it. Perhaps it exists, however it seems rather stupid. If something is self-evident, then it is obvious – there is no reason to explain it. Attempting to deny the obvious seems rather odd. Either this is a misinterpretation of Plato or a screwy translation.

            At any rate I didn’t find it.

    • JustinBailey

      I’m with you. I feel sorry for Hillary. “Winner by default” has been her strongest pitch both presidential runs and I’m not having any. It’s Bernie or Bust.

      • heylook

        As Bill Maher (a Bernie supporter) says, “If you can’t have the chicken, get the fish.” In other words, she may not be your first choice, but you should still get out and vote for her should she win the nom. It’s really important that people like yourself, who joined the party for Bernie, support her.

        I’m REALLY not a fan of hers (in spite of a couple of posts about this), but I do believe it’s important to ultimately support the democratic party, b/c, even while Hillary historically has made a lot of errors, she is right on social issues and will defend most of the ideals of this party.* Drumpf, or whomever, will sink us back into the Dark Ages.

        (*I should add, like Obama, she’d probably be somewhat Centrist. Not great…but better than what the other side is going to offer.)

        • Hugo

          Well, receive this notice directly from me, not from TV spot: BERNIE OR BUST and ALL BERNIE supporters will do,..WHY? we’re again the DNC mud.

          • heylook

            That doesn’t make much sense to me. It seems like you’re willing to (to use the terribly old adage) cut off your nose to spite your face. That is to say, if you were considering voting for Bernie due to his position on social issues, and not just his college and tax plans, then any vote (or not voting) works against those beliefs.

            Has Hillary been consistent in her beliefs on social issues? Nope. Has Bernie’s presence and his amazingly passionate supporters (like yourself) altered her POV. YUP! You guys are helping pull her further to the left, and that’s a good thing.

            But, keep in mind, her Politifact averages show her more truthful than ANY other candidate (including Bernie).

        • Mark Laszlo

          Please see my comment above.

          • heylook

            Hi, Mark! I’m assuming you mean your comment below — the one about voting w/your conscience. I can’t say I fully disagree with you.

            What I’ll say about Hillary is that I feel she’s running a more honest campaign (i.e., not promising pie-in-the-sky bullsh–), and she’s actually not attacking Bernie nearly as much as he’s attacking her (imo). And she made a REALLY good point at the last (or 2nd to last) debate about his vote for saving the auto industry (that is, yes, he voted for the bill that would solely give money to the industry, but it had no chance in passing; she voted for the bill that gave them and others — including Wall St. — money, b/c it was the ONLY one w/the chance of passing; I feel it’s unfair to assume she voted for it b/c of the Wall St. attachment when the truth is, she’s right about which bill was going to pass, and we can’t see inside her mind.)

            That all said, Bernie’s ideas are great, his enthusiasm is great, and his ideals (as pie-in-the-sky as they may be) are exciting, even though I don’t completely agree on his plans and approach. Most importantly, he has indeed been “on the right side of history” over and over. But I do feel what he wants to do takes far more time than a president has, and they’re things which need to be done in pieces — but that’s not how he presents his ideas (as far as I’ve seen). Also, as much as I don’t like Hillary’s Wall St. friends, I don’t like Bernie’s gun stance.

            And let’s remember, President Obama’s got a LOT of Wall St. friends — powerful ones. But he’s made decisions they wouldn’t like. (Of course, Prez Obama himself has been far more to the right than I’d prefer as well.)

            So, for me, it comes down to: Do they both represent me on the social issues. They do. So, in the general election, I would support either of them. And that’s something Bernie’s supporters should seriously consider.

          • Janice

            I am sorry but “Bernie supporters” care for our fellow citizens and our country and want our country to flourish not by wars, death and destruction, but by educating our people so they can complete in the global economy and stay ahead of the curve. We want to fix our broken infrastructure, the education system, prison system, the Va services. fix our paid for government who removed laws so corporations can pollute our water and land and air. who put additives in our food so the cost of manufacturing goes down and their profits go up regardless that the additives may be hurting our citizens health. Bernie Sanders, a man who with our help will address these issues Feel The Bern

          • heylook

            This reply has nothing to do with what I wrote above and either displays a complete inability on your part to comprehend what I wrote, assuming you even read it.

            I don’t argue any of the things you say. What I’m talking about his blind loyalty and then bowing out if your current candidate isn’t The One — which is both short-sighted and childish. And if Bernie supporters DO care about fellow citizens, as you purport to, you will continue to support the party that, more than the other, agrees with us (I’m assuming the “us”) on social issues.

            I AM concerned with Bernie’s ideas for education, since the costs
            are astronomical, and he wants to increase taxes to fix it. Closing the
            tax loopholes for corporations just won’t be enough.

            And, OMG, I couldn’t agree w/you more on the issues with pollutants and additives.

            But, as I said elsewhere, I think he’s a great candidate, and I’ll be happy to support him if he wins the nomination.

          • feloneouscat

            However, Bernie Sanders, the man, did not vote the way many of the “Bernie supporters” think he did. He is, by no means, a dove.

            Sanders, as President, will have WEAK powers to change anything in this country – because only Congress can write law. And if you go and review Sanders bills, he has shown he doesn’t work well with others.

            Since Sanders is not sending ANY of the money he is receiving to down-ticket Democrats, he is not helping. Clinton IS sending money to down-ticket Democrats.

            To me, this says more to Sanders inability to understand how politics works.

        • maybe123

          I’m on the fence about this. I’m waiting to see how the DNC and the media behave. They have alot of ground to make up for. The more they black out the Bernie movement, the more suspicious I get.

          • heylook

            “black out”? Freudian slip?

            I get you, but when Bernie got slammed in the South (Hillary actually beat him worse than Obama beat her), then, yeah, the DNC got nervous.

            Also, Fox would annihilate Bernie about being Jewish the way they did Obama for being black.

            Nevertheless, I believe she can be a strong leader…who mostly makes the right (left?) choices.

        • JustinBailey

          Bill Maher says a lot of silly things. A better analogy would be “if you can’t get your chicken from the first place, try the next place”. I’ll be on the Independent ticket come November if that’s what it takes to vote Senator Sanders in to the office of the presidency.

          • heylook

            Well, it’s very unlikely that Bernie — should he not got the nom — is going to run on an independent ticket. He understands that that would split the democrat vote. And nobody wants that, which is part of my point: That if you agree with Bernie on social issues, you agree w/Hillary (who, admittedly, is suddenly far more left on some of those issues than she used to be — which is great).

            So by not supporting WHOEVER gets the nom, you’re voting AGAINST those issues.

            Also, Bernie’s not exactly an outsider. He’s been in government for 30 years, and while he pokes at Clinton for having Wall Street friends, he has NRA friends, which are just as influential and scary.

            Just some things to keep in mind.

          • heylook

            Which would likely put a Republican in the White House. Between their war-mongering, complete LACK of understanding of Islam and Islamic terrorism, not to mention their 18th century view on social issues, that seems like a bad idea.

            Of course, I’m assuming those things are important to you — which is admittedly unfair. You might not care about any of that. In which case, I totally understand that POV!

          • JustinBailey

            Or maybe the corporate shill under FBI investigation who shares a racist streak with her husband is too out of touch to run the State Department let alone an entire nation. Say whatever you want about what I want. I’m not running for office. You don’t win any points for attacking my interests. I’d rather go with the candidate who’s been representing people for half a century and has 25 years in the Senate.

          • heylook

            I don’t disagree w/Bernie’s qualifications. What I disagree with is your POV on working against the party that (presumably) will ultimately have your best interests in mind, even if you ultimately don’t like the candidate (should it be Hillary [who I can’t say I’m a big fan of either]).

        • Linda Michelle

          Nah, that means that you resign to more BS. I’d rather live in the chaos of known evil, than to vote her in to flip flop this country into demise. #bernieorbust

          • heylook

            I am going to assume then that the many reversals on social policies (abortion and so forth) that the GOP wants to bring forth is AOK with you.

            Which is sad.

            Know What Team You’re On!

          • feloneouscat

            I’d rather live in the chaos of known evil, than to vote her in to flip flop this country into demise.

            What does that even mean? That you think you can get through 4-8 years of Trump AND live your life with a Conservative Supreme Court?

            Who are you willing to throw under a bus because you believe the Republican BS?

            #ClintonForPresident

          • Linda Michelle

            That’s exactly what that means. I don’t give two shits about a Trump presidency; I have lived in a racist USA all of my life; what else you got to scare me? That’s not working.

          • Linda Michelle

            #stillsanders #neverhillary #efftrump

        • JustinBailey

          Nah. I vote for issues, not privilege. #BernieOrBust isn’t being stubborn. It’s being unwilling to settle for less than what this country deserves.

          • heylook

            But it works against your interests if he does NOT get the nomination. (And if he does, I’ll surely be excited to support him.)

          • feloneouscat

            Sanders is all about privilege.

            #BernieOrBust is about unwilling to accept the results of a primary. It is your candidate or no candidate.

            Methinks perhaps you don’t understand the concept of a primary.

          • JustinBailey

            Oh I understand it pretty well. From the people’s perspective “we choose by our votes”. From the establishments perspective “fuck your vote. Hillary or bust”. The Democratic party isn’t representative of even half of the USA. I’ll be happy when they can’t hide their charade from the world anymore because on that day we might see some political progress.

          • feloneouscat

            Votes were cast and the presumptive candidate is Clinton. Even if Sanders managed to flip half of the super candidates, Clinton would still win.

            If you consider the primary a charade, then it’s because you don’t understand the primary process.

          • JustinBailey

            Ignoring the fact that not even 50% of the votes were counted (including mail in and absentee ballots yet to be received) when Clinton was declared the winner? Right. That’s how democracy works.

            http://vote.sos.ca.gov/unprocessed-ballots-status/

          • JustinBailey

            How can California be called with 2.5 million uncounted ballots?

            http://vote.sos.ca.gov/unprocessed-ballots-status/

        • Janice

          I can not in good conscience vote for Hi$$ary as she will have our country in another war in no time so she can repay her war mongers – corporate donations. I do not want our kids on foreign soil dying and coming home damaged for greed!! if we are attacked that is another issue, but for oil and greed no way!! Feel the Bern

          • heylook

            You DO understand that Obama has worked against the street and has even bigger friends there than Hillary, right?

            I don’t disagree that Hillary’s a hawk, and I don’t disagree that she’s not a perfect candidate (to say the least). What I’m railing against is the ridiculous ideas that: 1. You think much of what Bernie says is possible and realistic. He’s a politician — one with his heart in the right place but, like all the others, his rhetoric full of nonsense.
            2. That you (or other Bern supporters) wouldn’t support Clinton if she wins the nom. Ultimately, assuming that social issues are important to you at all & assuming you don’t want the Bible make our decisions and assuming you don’t believe in the ideals of the GOP, supporting the Democratic candidate is the best way to go…even if it’s not Bernie.

          • feloneouscat

            I can not in good conscience vote for Hi$$ary as she will have our country in another war in no time so she can repay her war mongers – corporate donations.

            The exact same corporate donations that Barack Obama received. Even the same people and same methods. Yet no one gave a peep about it then.

            This is a double-standard as you have no proof that Clinton will start a war. Remember, as Secretary of State she had no power to start wars – her job was to implement the policies of the President Obama.

            Sanders, BTW, has voted for every military incursion EXCEPT Iraq, and even then he voted to keep funding it.

      • 594Reptilian

        Then you’re not voting if The Hillary wins? Or would you go for The Donald?

        • Mark Laszlo

          I will never vote for any candidate i know to have commited any form of electoral fraud. Electoral fraud negates the legitimacy of democracy. How can anyone be so cynical as to rationalize it, in the nation that inspired & led the modern movement for democracy? I joined the democratic party to vote for Sanders in the California primary in June. If Clinton & the DNC steal the nomination from Sanders, i will write in his name on my ballot in November. For the first time in my life, a candidate for the Presidency with the veiws of my generation that tried to save the world has a real chance to win. We had better keep trying now, in the eve of WWIII. Sanders is an honest man with a heart for the People. If you are a democrat, you may vote for Clinton with a twinge of nausea. I will vote for Sanders with my conscience.

          • Bernard Melendez

            Mmmmm

          • Bernard Melendez

            Feel the burn

          • Janice

            no only your generation 🙂 I am a boomer and am Feeling the Bern

        • JustinBailey

          “The Hillary” and “The Donald” will never win. I registered as a Democrat in order to support Senator Sanders. Given the events of yesterday where voters were disenfranchised in Arizona, still waiting in line to cast ballots in some cases, while Hillary took the stage to deliver her victory speech at 1% polling locations reporting, I know that I’ve made the correct decision. If the DNC is so bold as to turn their backs on the majority of voters, those voters are likely to vote Independent in the election. The DNC has the gun to its own head at this point. Whether or not to pull the trigger is their prerogative, not mine.

    • Carolyn Campbell

      Hillary supporters are prepared to support Bernie if he gets the nomination. Those who aren’t prepared to do the same for Hillary may have to face they fact they helped elect Trump should he win. How would it feel to tell one’s children they did that?

      • Sandra

        That’s complete nonsense. The Hillary supporters will be at fault for putting forth a candidate so flawed that voters won’t support her. Why would you expect Bernie supporters to back her when she (and her family) have told lies about Bernie at every turn? Why, when there’s been so much documented fraud in this election?

        In Iowa, even the Des Moines Register, which had endorsed HRC, saw so much corruption that they called for an audit of the caucuses, saying “something smells.” In Nevada, there’s video of a lawyer telling HRC campaign workers to do illegal stuff and “ask for forgiveness later” if caught. There’s also video of HRC campaign workers ushering in unregistered people to caucus over objections. In Massachusetts, Bill C. campaigned at polling stations against regulations and held up voting so long in some places that people were denied their opportunity to vote.

        Even worse, in Massachusetts, men who were in a home for the mentally disabled were suddenly registered and told to vote for HRC and they would get a meal at McDonald’s. The reason this was found out is because one of the men excitedly told his sister about the McDonald’s trip. Of course, they weren’t mentally capable of understanding who HRC was or why they were told to vote for her. The sister reported it and here’s a radio station interview: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/03/02/nightside-voter-fraud-in-massachusetts/

        • Carolyn Campbell

          Look to see what Bernie does should he not win the nomination. He sees the bigger picture and knows what is at stake. We need to keep the White House, win back the Senate and make the next SCOTUS appointment. Vote blue no matter what. God bless.

          • Sandra

            Sorry, but voting for HRC at this point would seem like condoning all the corruption. If you were really worried about Republicans taking the White House, you’d be out doing everything you could to make sure Bernie Sanders gets the nomination, because he is the only one who will not only bring in true blue Democrats, but also independents, disaffected voters and crossover voters from the Republican and Green parties. A huge number of those folks are never going to vote for more war and corruption.

          • rogerbinion

            Why? Why is everyone else’s responsibility to building up your candidate? Why aren’t YOU doing that instead of just trashing Hillary?

            Seriously, you Bernie supporters are just insane. Just like Trump’s supporters.

          • Sandra

            No, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, which is what the HRC supporters are doing by pushing just another corporate-bought establishment candidate. She is working for her big donors, not for you.

          • rogerbinion

            No, insanity is voting against the interests of the entire nation just to satisfy your smug, faux moral superiority.

            How’d that work out in 2000 when Gore lost to W because of Nader?

          • Shannon Morris

            1) Gore couldn’t even win his own state! Bernie, by contrast, won every single single city in Vermont.
            2) 2/3 of the registered voters didn’t even bother to vote. Most of them would have voted Democrat.
            3) Jeb Bush repeatedly promised to ‘deliver’ Florida, and did just that.
            4) Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush. John Ellis lead the decision desk at that station. John Ellis is Bush’s first cousin.
            5) Gore WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
            6) The Supreme Court ultimately made the decision.

            But you go ahead and blame it all on Nader if that’s what makes you happy. After all, ‘happy’ is so much nicer than ‘accurate’, isn’t it?

          • rogerbinion

            1. TN had changed, a lot, since Gore was in the Senate and then VP.
            2. Where do you get this made up number?
            3. Yes, JEB! worked over time to make sure W. won.
            4. Yes, that created a situation where instead of it being a tie, it was Gore looking like a sore loser.
            5. Yes, by about 500,000 votes.
            6. True, and it was a bad decision. Just think of all the other bad decisions to come if Trump or Cruz gets to replace Bader-Ginsberg and Kennedy.

            Gore lost FL by 437 votes. Nader pulled in over 20,000 votes. Nader kept telling gullible people that there was no difference between Gore and W and these gullible people swallowed it up, just like Bernie’s people are swallowing all the lies and stupidity about Hillary.

            Had Nader stayed out, Gore would have gotten most of those Nader votes and won FL and won the White House.

            So, yeah, I’ll blame Nader and his vanity campaign that resulted in 8 disastrous years for the US and the world.

          • joa lila

            Gore would have followed the same policies as Bill Clinton: mass incarceration of poor minorities, reduction of social services for the poor and elderly, and the neo-liberal fiscal policies that are a boondoggle for wall street.

          • Anna Estrada

            But Gore wouldn’t have manufactured an excuse to go to war with Iraq under the direction of Cheney.

          • Barsoomian

            It’s easy to make up alternative histories. I’ll offer one, slightly along your line.

            As former VP, Gore already knew about OBL. As President, Gore would have taken taken the warnings about Bin Laden seriously, and would have worked to find out more and take action. 9/11 might never have happened.

          • Anna Estrada

            That is truly depressing.

          • Bruce_Mitchell

            You left out the unjust disenfranchisement of about 40,000 registered voters whose names were removed from voter rolls by the Florida Secretary of State on the flimsy excuse that their names were the same or similar to those of felons not allowed to vote in that state. Which was done so late in the game that few had any opportunity to correct the ‘mistake’ and many did not even become aware of the problem until attempting to vote as usual. Over 90% of those disenfranchised were black or other minority who historically had voted Democratic.

          • Mark Laszlo

            It’s electronic voting machines that do most to make counts unreliable. Diebold is a GOP contributor. The microchips are made in China. In combination it is possible for the microchip’s memory registers to effect counts. And in Ohio in 2004, there was a voting machine program developer’s website on the internet any of them could upload vote counting programs to. They programmed the voting machine network via that website with a series of programs that fudged the count while in progress, favoring republican candidates. The tallies poll managers saw when they sent in their final precinct tallies, were different than the tallies they sent; like 2 sets of books they only got to see 1 of. That story was in Rolling Stone zine, by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The GOP has become very creative & prolific at electoral frauds, but Clinton & Wasserman prefer to commit their own rather than exposing them. The only hope America has now for a real election is to expose all electoral frauds & oppose them with all our might!
            https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Greg+Pallast+electoral+fraud

          • Art Carmen

            joa lila: Instead we got Dubbya Bush who started to wars , cost 3 trilion on the Republican charge card, and upped the national debt, shipped jobs overseas and caused the unemployment rate to go to 10% , losing 750,000 jobs a MONTH. Happy now?

          • Carolyn Campbell

            Amazing how people so easily forget how good things were under Bill Clinton. Did they really have fun under Dubya? Major amnesia break out.

          • Marge

            Yeah, but look what we wound up with

          • M.

            It would be nice if you people would learn about this issues BEFORE commenting on you, here’s a hint the incarceration rate of minorities and everyone else skyrocketed from the 1970s until 1996, it slowed after 1996 due to an improving economy and the reduction of crime. To claim that Bill Clinton led to mass incarceration of us “poor minorities” is why Sanders loses the black vote, he preys on your ignorance and you clowns parrot it over and over and over to the point where its insulting. Its clear you don’t care about these issues and neither does he. Because if he, or you did, you wouldn’t rant about “poor minorities” in such a dishonest way

          • Mark Laszlo
          • Jim Bennett

            Yeah weren’t we lucky 8 years of the Dubeya for the sake of a protest vote. The Iraq war. Environmental degradation. And the list goes on. Yep your right no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Always throw your vote away on Independents, Because it makes no difference who is president and at the end of the day you get to feel smug. Smh…..

          • feloneouscat

            Seriously?

            You do realize that those policies were not created by Clinton, but by a Republican Congress for their “Contract with America”, right?

            Or are you just repeating what you read off another web site?

            Because it is wrong.

          • feloneouscat

            So Bush was better? May I remind you of 2008? Tell me how that worked out for the poor?

            Before you start touting bullshit, let’s remind you that Republicans SHUT DOWN GOVERNMENT because Clinton wouldn’t pass some inane bullshit bill. Let me remind you that under Clinton, taxes went UP for the wealthy, not down.

            Many bills were vetoed: 37 to be exact.

            Please do not rewrite history. I remember it quite well.

          • jonathan

            Made up number? The non registered voter turn out is probably even higher than that. It’s like common knowledge the vast majority of voters don’t even bother voting. Even more so in non-presidential elections. And Democrats most certainly.

          • DavidA

            Or you could have taken 5 seconds to Google it. 2/3 of registered voters voted in 2000, and more than half the voting age population.
            Voting age population: 205,815,000
            Registered voters: 156,421,311
            Total votes: 105,405,100
            http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php

          • rogerbinion

            Point me to the source. Otherwise, it’s just a made up number.

            Like 12 out of 64 people think Justin Bieber is a lesbian.

            See? I can make crap up, too.

          • Richard Charnin

            Just who is gullible? First of all, your facts are wrong. Gore lost FL by 537 votes. Nader had 92,000 votes. And second, even without Nader running, Bush and the SC would have stolen it anyway.
            Don’t blame Nader, Gore won FL by at least 200,000 votes. He won nationally by at least 4 million votes.
            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EWaKPDUolqbN7_od8sSTNMRObfUidlVPRBxeyyirbLM/edit#gid=4

          • maybe123

            rogerbinion, Isn’t it a little early to be crowning Hillary with the nomination? Despite the media’s spin, she is not ahead by that much, and things are looking up for Bernie from here on out. I believe Bernie Sanders will win the nomination, and let’s hope he does because he has the best chance of winning the general election.
            People whose main objective is to keep Trump out, and are strategically minded, would be be best served by getting Bernie nominated. Aside from voting for and campaigning for Bernie, holding the DNC and the media responsible for their blatant bias would be of huge benefit in both keeping Trump out and reducing the entrenched corruption that is turning people off.

          • rogerbinion

            Actually, it’s not. She’s up by over 300 delegates right now. Bernie would need to win 58% of the remaining delegates to surpass her.

            AZ is expected to vote like FL so that will be a 60-35 win for Hillary putting him even deeper in a hole. And do you think he’ll win 60% of CA? NY? PA? NJ? CT?

            Bernie would be nuked by the GOP Attack Machine in ways that would make Swift Boating look like a pleasure cruise. All these pointless polls showing him doing well head to head are worthless, same as for those with Hillary. It’s the Electoral College that elects the president. Get Bernie to 270 electoral votes.

            And why should the DNC care what Bernie has to say? He’s been a Democrat for less than a year. He has not helped the DNC fund raise. He’s done next to nothing to get like minded progressives elected nationally. He has been worthless to the DNC for all his years in politics. Compare that to Hillary who has been supporting Democrats and the DNC since she registered to vote in 1968 as a Democrat.

            And yet you complain of bias from them. Why should they roll out the red carpet for an interloper who will leave the party the second this election is over?

          • maybe123

            Well, we will see what happens in the rest of the primaries. 58% is an uphill battle I admit, but its not anything like Nader, who truly didn’t have a fighting chance to actually win. Sanders definately does. He has the highest favorability rating, which, I think, in an effective democracy should mean the best chance of winning.

            Good point, Sanders just joined the Democratic party, but I believe that in a de facto two party system, its necessary to pick the one that most closely matches you if you want to have a voice. So in that sense, I believe the DNC has the responsibility to be inclusive and fair to all candidates (and voters) who are anywhere on the spectrum near democrat. The Dem party should represent the people and the values that Bernie not only talks about, but has the lifetime record to back up. And if that’s not what the Democratic party is about, then we are here to change that. I’ve been a long term green party member, and I’ve joins the Dems to support Bernie. Alot of people have gotten involved in politics for the first time because of Bernie, or have been brought back from a fringe party like the greens to support him, because many of them, like me, assessed that the mainstream political system was corrupt and unable to really represent the people. I like Hillary alright as far as establishment politicians go, but a facts a fact, her hands are tied by the big money interests. Not as much as the Republicans, but still, way too much.

          • Janice

            no she had been supporting the corporation war machine most of her career, I can not in good conscience vote for Hi$$ary as she will have our country in another war in no time so she can repay her war mongers – corporate donations. I do not want our kids on foreign soil dying and coming home damaged for greed!! if we are attacked that is another issue, but for oil and greed no way!! Feel the Bern

          • chippr63 .

            “Bernie’s people are swallowing all the lies and stupidity about Hillary?” That’s a hoot! Well most of those lies have been documented, written about, and covered as news. It is a darned shame that this stupid internet lets lets folks do their own research, as opposed to getting all their ‘truth” from MSNBC and CNN. Hillary’s sheep were so much easier to keep in line when they didn’t know any better.

          • chippr63 .

            Good points Shannon, but poor Roger is suffering from a severe case of “Cranial Rectitis”…and sadly, no amount of truth will cure that.

          • Emme

            It is OBJECTIVELY A BAD IDEA not to vote for Hillary, if, after we work as hard as we can to get Bernie nominated, we don’t succeed. I support Bernie. I think he has been consistently right on the issues. But to not vote for Hillary would be to cut off our nose to spite our face. Any of the Republicans would be a disaster – we can’t let that happen. Please don’t help them by deserting the Democratic party, if we don’t get what we want.

          • chippr63 .

            I respect your right to choose Emme. Sadly though, if the DNC insists on running Hillary we’re gonna wind up with Trump anyway. The numbers already show that. Bernie is the only one that can beat him. It isn’t about cutting off a nose to spite my face, I wouldn’t vote for Stalin over Hitler since someone said he’d be a better dictator. I’ll write in Sanders or vote for Jill Stein. I’m the one who has to live with my conscience. If the DNC dies it rightfully deserves to. After the primaries, I’ll be switching to independent. My bet is millions of folks will be doing the same.

          • Janice

            I will also write in Bernie name as will my friends and family and when we succeed and wins the majority of the votes, lets see what the bought and paid for GOP and DNC try to do

          • Carolyn Campbell

            Very little chance of Bernie winning in the closed primaries coming up. Bernie has said he will support the Dem nominee. Hope his supporters have the same integrity that he does.

          • feloneouscat

            First, the numbers do NOT show that Sanders will beat Trump. In fact, if you had bothered to look at the numbers, they show that both Clinton and Sanders beat Trump (btw RealClearPolitics numbers …. are kind of simplistic)

            Second, Clinton is neither Stalin or Hitler. That’s just silly.

            Third, many states do not allow write-ins. Your vote will be thrown away. Look it up.

            Fourth, Sanders is not a Democrat. He is an Independent. He could have run as an Independent and had as many votes as Jill Stein. The only reason he ran as a Democrat was for visibility. This is politics.

            Fifth, the Democratic party is a party. We are a big tent party. However, many of us are like anyone else: we tend to vote for the people that have been faithful to the ideals of the party. Sanders doesn’t support Democrats – he just doesn’t. This is why he does so poorly in the primary (that and name recognition).

            Switch to independent. Then tell me how your vote for Jill Stein will keep Trump out of the White House?

            Ross Perot had far more name recognition than Sanders. Everyone knew who he was. He scored 30 million votes and still lost to Bill Clinton.

          • Janice

            I can not in good conscience vote for Hi$$ary as she will have our country in another war in no time so she can repay her war mongers – corporate donations. I do not want our kids on foreign soil dying and coming home damaged for greed!! if we are attacked that is another issue, but for oil and greed no way!! Feel the Bern

          • Carolyn Campbell

            And Trump or Cruz won’t?

          • oh boy…wow…700,000 population….. with lots of “rural” creepy gun owners sleeping with their military weapons in their beds of paranoia.

          • heylook

            The point, however, is to ultimately support the party we all want making social decisions, choosing and voting in new Supreme Court justices, and so forth. So Bernie supporters need to consider that.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            I trust Bernie will be the statesman I hope he is and ask his supporters to support Hillary in the general election. It’s a campaign. Everyone is passionate about their candidate. But one will win and one will lose. The numbers are currently with Hillary and mostly closed primaries are coming up. Not Bernie’ s strong suit. He needs 58% of all contests from here on out.

          • feloneouscat

            Well, he did in early April.

            Then he took it back when he said, “She will have to earn them herself.”

            So much for being a statesman.

          • chippr63 .

            “faux moral superiority?” isn’t that kind of what Hillary displayed when the young black girl held up her “bring them to heel” banner, and was tossed out? The only difference was she’s not fake about it, she actually feels she has “moral superiority”. Most megalomaniacs do. If you’d uncork your ears and listen, she doesn’t even have a platform, all she’s done is to nearly word for word co-opt Bernie’s message. If she saw a poll that said Americans overwhelmingly believe the moon is made of green cheese, she’d rush to the nearest microphone and announce that she’s been s “fighter for green cheese since she began her career…thanks but I’ll stick with the real leader here…Senator Sanders.

          • M.

            So Hillary did the same thing Sanders did when protesters against Israel protested his event… he kicked them out. Does he have a moral superiority complex or is your comment complete BS?

          • YouandWhoseArmy3D

            Gore lost to Bush because of massive electoral fraud carried out by George’s brother Jeb!, and his cronies in Florida like Kathryn Harris.

            http://billmoyers.com/2015/07/31/how-the-2000-election-in-florida-new-wave-voter-disenfranchisement/

            Any other recollection of that election is utterly false.

          • But the only way Jeb et al were able to pull off the fraud was because of Nader. It all circles back to Nader. Without him, no hanging chads, no Brooks Brothers Riot, none of that crap. And please do not try compare the legendary incompetence of George W. Bush with Al Gore, DLC man that Gore was. All you have to do is look at the post political life of both men to understand the vast difference in their personal make up. The charge that there was no real difference between the two never held water.

          • YouandWhoseArmy3D

            Did you really just excuse Electoral Fraud (an illegal action) because someone legally ran as a third party? That’s one of the most disgusting displays of mental gymnastics I’ve seen.

            The way Jeb was able to pull off fraud is because of people like you shift the blame where it doesn’t belong.

          • Barsoomian

            @YouandWhoseArmy3D: You are absolutely correct! Shame, James Ala!

          • Travis Witty

            It was actually a conflux of TWO third party candidates, and it wasn’t a split caused by Nader, it was confusion caused by Pat Buchanan being next to W and in many cases resulting in double punches to the ballots.

          • Mark Laszlo

            Nader did not lose the election for Gore. Bush’s fraternity, the Skull & Bones; backed the republican party to steal it before a vote was cast. Jeb abused the Voting Rights Act to disenfranchise legal voters, that demographic clues showed were unlikely to vote republican. Tens of thousands were prevented from voting for false pretexts. The recount was a red herring, with it’s miniscule, debatable difference. Greg Pallast proved it & told it to Britain when he was anchorman on BBC’s Newsnight, but in the USA, the Skull & Bones octopus squashed the story from right to left. They have the money to rig a presidential election. I 1st read on it at alternet.org. I also reccomend Greg Pallast’s website.

          • Janice

            so you are saying no matter if there is corruption because that is the way it is. I say ….Bull***** and when you have bought an election you should be shown the door. look at washington state Bernie Sanders was the overwhelming victor but the super delegates are promised to hillary no matter what their constituencies voted something is very wrong here and it time to correct it Feel the Bern (I am a woman and a boomer who just donated again to Bernie)

          • heylook

            If you support the party that allows a candidate like Bernie Sanders to rise to stardom the way he has, you continue to support those ideas, if not the exact candidate that you wanted.

            It’s a very important thing to consider. Like yourself, I wish we had a better candidate. For 8 years I’ve been arguing w/Republicans about Obama, who’s made a TON of Right-friendly decisions, has been great for them. In that time, I’ve yet to have even a single Republican counter me w/any argument that doesn’t further prove my point. But, even with that in mind, I DO feel that MOST of Obama’s decisions are made NOT b/c of outside influences but b/c he’s really trying to make the best decisions for the country (unlike someone like Dubya) or b/c he’s trying to get something from the Senate by approving certain things I don’t approve of. And that’s politics. That’s how it is. You push a little to the left as much as you can and continue to support your party to get the line moved over ever more as we go…

          • Mark Laszlo

            That is an Einstein quote, in your first line.

          • feloneouscat

            So when we voted for Obama, wasn’t that voting for a corporate-bought establishment candidate? Are you now telling me he doesn’t work for me?

            So why did Sanders push a bill for the nuclear power industry to dump everything but fuel rods in Texas? Jollies? He wouldn’t even listen to the people in Texas because “I have an election to deal with”.

          • feloneouscat

            Okay, please indicate your “corporate-bought establishment candidate” proof about Clinton.

            I’ll present Sierra Blanca, where Sanders pushed a bill through, and repeatedly stripped out Paul Wellstone’s amendments, to help the nuclear power industry.

            Or his votes to go to war just about every freaking time. Or the fact that he voted to FUND the Iraq war. Or how about supporting that disaster of jet, the F-35 that is a trillion dollar disaster?

          • alanall

            Insanity is voting for the oligarchy when you had a choice to do otherwise. Furthermore, those so worried about Trump, really need to take a close look at Clinton’s electability. Who in the general is going to vote for her except the tried and true and those scared into voting because of the big scary Trump? The answer is few to none. By the why, Trump has not yet won a majority of the RNC vote and it is unlikely that any of the delegates from the dropout candidates are going to Trump.

          • rogerbinion

            Do you even know what an oligarch is? I ask because you are using the word incorrectly.

          • lol

            nah, but it sounds cool so he’ll use it

          • K Fernstrom

            Looks like he does know what an oligarchy is. Now you do too. Please take note especially of Number 1. If you don’t think this country is being run by the wealthy few who can afford to buy off politicians you have not been paying attention. (See: Citizens United)

            Oligarchy (plural oligarchies)

            A government run by only a few, often the wealthy.

            Those who make up an oligarchic government.

            A state ruled by such a government.

            Origin

            From French oligarchie, from Latin oligarchia, from Ancient Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarchia), from ὀλίγος (oligos, “few”) + ἀρχή (archÄ“, “rule”). From oligo- +”Ž -archyEnglish Wiktionary. Available under CC-BY-SA license.

          • rogerbinion

            I live in an oligarchy. I know what one is. The US is not.

            Try again.

          • alanall

            One other thing, why is it okay for Hillary and her supporters to trash Sanders and his supporters but the opposite is a crime?

          • rogerbinion

            Well, since you lack comprehension skills, apparently, I was replying to the hate and vitriol being spewed by ignorant and uninformed Sanders supporters.

            They sling the lies and mud WAY more than HRC’s supporters, that’s for sure.

          • Ian D

            I’d suggest being kind to Bernie supporters, if Hillary wins the nomination you’re going to need us.

          • rogerbinion

            Or not. Judging by the pathetic voter turnout for your guy, there really aren’t that many of you.

            And this from the guy who called me an ‘asshole.’

          • Anna Estrada

            Most of them have vehemently said they won’t support HRC if she wins the nomination. I’ll vote for either Sanders or Clinton. Anything but Trump!

          • M.

            If Sanders supporters don’t care enough about issues to vote for the best canidate I don’t want them. Same thing I said to Hillary supporters when Obama won… if you’re Bernie or bust you’re part of the problem. So F u

          • Janice

            I can not in good conscience vote for Hi$$ary as she will have our country in another war in no time so she can repay her war mongers – corporate donations. I do not want our kids on foreign soil dying and coming home damaged for greed!! if we are attacked that is another issue, but for oil and greed no way!! so shut the f up

          • K Fernstrom

            Actually. We don’t. You are slinging it pretty good though.

          • rogerbinion

            Might I direct to one who goes by the name ‘Sandra.’ She’s a rather horrible person and Exhibit A of a very typical Bernie supporter.

            Maybe you just don’t want to see it but doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

          • heylook

            That’s not been my experience. I really do see far more vitriol from the Bernie side.

            Ultimately, we should all be on the same side.

            Hillary lost to Obama way back when b/c she ran a terrible and very negative campaign. She’s doing far better this time around…but this extended fight isn’t going to do her well, for sure.

            That said, I felt Bernie’s call for Hillary to release transcripts of her paid appearances to Wall St. was GOP-level nonsense, b/c private speaking appearances are certainly common for people who once served public office. And having Wall St. connections is in part what got (far-too-Centrist) President Obama elected, sooo I get why she’s friendly w/those folks. I really don’t feel they’re buying her — I don’t think she gives a !#$! at this point.

            For better or worse, Bernie’s been pulling Hillary further Left, and that’s awesome. But if Bernie wins the nom, I’m all for him. If Hillary? Same. It’s about pushing that line further to the left, as much as we can and not letting the GOP drag us all back to the far, far Right.

          • Hugo

            Totally wrong. Change mean CHANGE. No more suckers. And don’t tell me I will lose. I will win giving the example to my kids: vote for the coincidence with yourself. If you’re honest, keep together with other honest people like you. Honest vote for honest. We will see the percent of people with less or most integrity. Don’t cheat the statistics with your presumptions. BE HONEST.

          • heylook

            You can’t tell me I’m “totally wrong” when I’m merely telling you what I’ve seen. What I’m ACTUALLY seeing is not “presumption.” Your own vitriol is proving my point, man.

          • Eric Matthews

            I see a lot more trashing of Hillary by Bernie folk. But when they go negative,( even in this thread!) it’s ok?

          • Okey Van Wy

            Hillary deserves to be trashed . She has constantly voted against the American people bypassing trade deals that put us out of work!! I don’t know how anyone can support her given her voting record! It’s like firing yourself from your job and putting yourself out on the street when you vote for her! It’s as though the American people want to be ostriches and put their head in the sand! What are you going to say when she passes the TPP and throws even more Americans out of work, what are you going to say when she sends our young people off to war and that brings them back with maimed bodies and minds and throws them out on the street!! How can anyone be so ignorant and stupid!!

          • rogerbinion

            Her voting record is almost as liberal as Bernie’s in the Senate.

            So, I do know her voting record, not the GOP troll version your BernieBots keep keening and wailing about.

            So, trash Hillary. It just shows how petty, vindictive and childish you really are.

            FYI – I’ve never said a single bad thing about Bernie outside of pointing out his pro-gun votes. Too bad you BernieBots can’t be so considerate.

          • K Fernstrom

            Please refrain from the name-calling. Those of us who support Sanders over Clinton aren’t “keening and wailing”. I am not going to trash HRC but that’s because I don’t think she’s worth my energy. You calling Sanders’ supporters BernieBots though only shows YOUR character.

          • rogerbinion

            Maybe you need to check out Sandra’s rants. She is just off the charts with her anger and vitriol.

          • Brooke

            Bernie was voting for the gun right his constituents wanted. Aren’t elected officials supposed to vote the will of the people?

          • feloneouscat

            His constituents wanted gun makers to suffer no liability? What other business has that kind of sweet deal?

          • Carolyn Campbell

            The parents of Sandy Hook kids don’t agree with Bernie one bit.

          • Bruce_Mitchell

            Yeah, Bernie is so pro-gun that the NRA literally hates him and gives him a D- rating. What nonsense Hillary bots spew, so readily distorting and lying about his record.

          • rogerbinion

            How is it pointing out that he voted against the Brady Bill five times lying? It’s right there in the Congressional record.

            You BernieBots just cannot tolerate any criticism against your God.

            Huh, sounds an awful lot like Trump supporters…

          • Melissa .C

            As you have been for Bernie supporters.. That is what a typical Narcissist does.. and where are you from anyways?

          • Spelunker4Plato
          • rogerbinion

            And what does this prove? Nothing. How does this help Bernie? It doesn’t.

          • SMB1128

            They are insane and like Trump supporters, Roger. They don’t do well with facts either.

          • rogerbinion

            Seriously. They are just delusion, mean and bitter. Just like Trump supporters.

          • missmack

            Co-sign

          • libtard

            Just shut up now roger you’re embarrassing yourself, you need to go out and get laid, seriously.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            Bernie has never been a true blue Democrat ever. He has scorned the Democratic party ideology his entire career. He openly admitted that he did not run as an Independent but came on board as a Dem to get the media’s attention. Like a true politician, he uses opportunities when they work for him. However, it hasn’t served him so far. Hillary is two million votes ahead of Bernie. The people, including, I suspect, true blue Dems are speaking and voting. Bernie has already registered as an Independent to run for his seat in Congress in 2017. I wish him the best in that election.

          • Sandra

            Bernie is running the only way he can and have any hope of winning in a system that the two parties have rigged to suit them. Our election system badly needs reforming and Bernie is the only one we see who is free enough of corporate corruption to take on the task. I wouldn’t care which party he ran with, he’d still have my vote for his past record and his agenda.

          • feloneouscat

            Our election system badly needs reforming and Bernie is the only one we see who is free enough of corporate corruption to take on the task.

            I agree. Our election system needs reforming.

            However, if you believe that Sanders is free of corporate influence, your are ignorant of the facts.

          • Janice

            no it time for a revitalization of the democratic party away from being a paid mouth piece for the rich and corporations and get back to the grassroots where it started. Bernie will help accomplish this Feel the Bern

          • feloneouscat

            Which is why Sanders is losing.

            Frankly, I would prefer Clinton over Trump.

            Because it will either be one or the other.

          • heylook

            You’re believing the hype. Bernie’s hype, the GOP hype.

            I actually like Bernie a lot, but keep in mind that what he’s looking to do canNOT be done over night…or in 8 months. The big steps he wants — including single-payer health care similar to Hillary’s ’90s pitch — are pie in the sky ideals that he knows can’t be done. They’re a campaign strategy.

            Hillary is FAR from the perfect candidate, but Bernie’s support is pulling her further Left, which is great. And supporting her IS a support for the Democratic Party social ideals, even if she is going to be, like Obama, a more centrist president than we’d like.

            And, personally, I was really disappointed in Bernie’s lack of knowledge on international (and even some national) policy issues in the last debate or two.

          • maybe123

            And he has the best chance in the general election. I think the folks asking us to support Hillary should instead focus their energy on convincing the DNC and the media to clean up their act.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            He’s just not my candidate. Unfortunately, the math is currently not in Bernie’s favor. So now what will his supporters do?

          • Cindy

            Funny to see one say God Bless in defense of wanting others to support a person that is a criminal.

            Maybe I should ask you who you would vote for if you had only two choices. Trump or Ted Bundy (pretend he’s still alive and blue). VOTE BLUE!!

          • rogerbinion

            What crimes has Hillary been convicted of? Name one. Just one.

          • alanall

            The oligarchy makes the laws so that their leaders can be lawless without breaking the law or being convicted.

          • rogerbinion

            No, you concede that Hillary has not been convicted of any crimes then.

            Then why support that lie?

            Again, you are using oligarchy incorrectly. Try again. Or maybe take off the tin foil hat.

          • Warrior KM

            If I go on a killing spree and all of my buddy’s are Koch Brothers, Rothschilds, Bilderbugs, Soros and other misc billionaires… And I never get convicted… Am I any less of a criminal?

          • rogerbinion

            Wow. You tin foil hat is on rather tight. Might want to take it off and get some blood to your brain.

          • K Fernstrom

            No. He isn’t. LOOK IT UP. Oh wait. I already did that for you.

          • feloneouscat

            The oligarchy makes the laws so that their leaders can be lawless without breaking the law or being convicted.

            So she has broke no laws and is not a criminal because, wait for it, some magic group of people make sure that she never breaks a law.

            That has got to be the dumbest thing I’ve read. The GOP has been salivating for 30 years to find something to throw her in jail for.

            Your fiction is poorly written and internally inconsistent.

          • Marge

            There’s that corruption problem ….

          • rogerbinion

            What corruption? Prove it.

          • feloneouscat

            There is no corruption problem.

            But, please, tell me the facts of the “corruption”. I’ve been attempting to find out what she has done that is corrupt and, so far, all they can do is bring out the RWNJ talking points (everything from Vince Foster to BENGHAZI!!!).

          • Warrior KM

            Lool exactly.

          • feloneouscat

            Funny to see one say God Bless in defense of wanting others to support a person that is a criminal.

            What crime has Clinton committed? Who convicted her of the crime? Last I checked, in the United States, one was innocent until proven guilty.

          • Okey Van Wy

            Bernie or bust!!

          • Michael Gmirkin

            Agreed, Carolyn. Disagreed, Sandra.

            Bernie has already said on one or more occasions that should he not get the nomination, he’ll drop out and ask his supporters to support the Democratic front-runner. There’s no reason to think he’ll change that opinion. If we respect him, we should respect that position as well. But, he’s also said he’s in it to win it and will go right up through the convention (or, one assumes, until such point as the “won” delegate count hits the point of no return, leaving nonsensical “super-delegates” aside).

            That said, our task right now is to get Bernie the nomination. Up until that does / doesn’t happen, that should be our only focus: “doing everything possible to make sure Bernie Sanders gets the nomination” (agree with Sandra on that point, at least).

            But, THAT said, should Bernie legitimately lose the nomination (going down to the wire, if necessary), am I going to suddenly start voting Republican (or giving up my constitutionally guaranteed right to vote *against* Republicans)? Fvck no. I will absolutely cast a ballot to keep the Republicans *out* of the Oval Office. I don’t trust a one of them as far as I could throw them. They’re all off in Loony Tunes land in various respects.

            Again, yes, our job right now is to get Bernie the nod. But legitimately failing that, if Bernie says “vote for the other one,” in order to NOT split the vote and hand it to another Republican like in 2000, I will unreservedly vote for the other one to keep the Republicans *out*.

            But, right now focus is on getting Bernie *in*. Any other bridges to cross/jump off of, we’ll deal with if/when the time comes. For now: priorities! Get Bernie the nod. Let’s stop debating “what if” scenarios and GET THE VOTES…

          • lucybeckettmartinez

            While holding my nose! But I know what is at stake. Wouldn’t consider anything else!

          • Marge

            Nope. Both Bernie and Trump stand similarly on many what I consider priority issues. Not Hillary, just because she is ‘blue.’

            She’s a conservative running as a democrat. Trump is a liberal running as a republican. I’ll take the latter.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            Hillary Clinton was the 11th most liberal member of the Senate in each of the 107th, 108th, 109th, and 110th Congresses. That places her slightly to the left of Pat Leahy , Barbara Mikulski and Dick Durbin; clearly to the left of Joe Biden and Harry Reid; and well to the left of moderate Democrats like Jon Tester , Blanche Lincoln and Claire McCaskill. I do not know of any liberals who have said any of the atrocious things about women as Trump has. Bernie would be appalled to be compared to Trump. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

          • Barsoomian

            What’s worse, Hillary is a neo-con running as a liberal Democrat.

          • feloneouscat

            No, Clinton is a feminist liberal who is left of Barack Obama.

            But because she has a vagina, people have to argue BS about her.

          • Mark Laszlo

            By “We” you seem to mean the democratic party, but not the majority of voters. I am a registered democrat, but i take exception to that. God bless.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            “We” is anyone, including Independents that prefer a Democratic WH to one occupied by the GOP candidate. Plenty of Independents vote the blue ticket.

        • rogerbinion

          You know, if YOUR candidate wasn’t so flawed, he’d be winning. Why is everything a conspiracy with you loony tunes Bernie supporters?

          Honestly, it’s people like you that turned me away from Bernie, so, good job!

          Maybe instead of wasting so many electrons trashing Hillary, you could have spent your time building up your candidate so more people would have, you know, actually voted for him.

          And since you posted this insane rant 3 hours ago, you know that Bernie is done. He lost EVERY SINGLE STATE.

          And yet Hillary, the one who actually wins, is the flawed candidate. That’s some serious mental gymnastics you have going on there.

          • Sandra

            Perhaps it’s because HRC runs as if she were in some long ago election before everything was shared across social media, so people see exactly how corrupt her campaign is and people can check it out on their phones when she tells lies. Did a candidate really “win” if they can only do it by cheating?

            There’s nothing insane about what I said happened. Anybody who has basic Google skills can look it all up. Since you seem to lack the capability, I’ll start you off with the video of the Nevada lawyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhI6bMbhsDE

          • rogerbinion

            Right, it’s all just one big global conspiracy to keep Bernie down.

            Seriously, you are so far off the rails, you can’t even see the track any more.

          • Sandra

            It’s pretty obvious that you just like to sound off and make a lot of noise without really saying anything. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. You can give a man information, but you can’t make him think.

          • rogerbinion

            Oh, really?

            I think you need to look in a mirror. You are simply unhinged. And wouldn’t know a fact if it smacked you upside the head.

          • Sandra

            I’ve been looking for facts in any of your comments, but keep coming up dry.

          • rogerbinion

            Well, I can’t fix your stupid so I won’t bother to try.

          • Tobiah Goss
          • Shannon Morris

            Hillary’s pal, Henry Kissinger dismissed the entire entire idea of democracy when we rigged the Chilean elections back in the early 70’s. He actually said that we HAD to rig their elections because the people of Chile didn’t know what was best for them.
            Now, what would happen in America if someone came along who challenged everything that is in the best interests of the ruling class?
            Pat attention, because that question is being answered RIGHT NOW.

          • feloneouscat

            Hillary’s pal, Henry Kissinger dismissed the entire entire idea of democracy when we rigged the Chilean elections back in the early 70’s.

            This is, of course, a fallacy. That knowing someone that has done some horrible things must mean you are equally horrible. Never mind that Kissinger did some pretty remarkable things as Secretary of State.

            Never mind the fact that the whole reason that Clinton is being treated like this is because she is a woman.

            Wait… here’s a picture… Why look who is sitting right next to President Obama!

            http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Henry+Kissinger+Obama+Biden+Meet+Congressional+-4LQGB2_3c1l.jpg

          • Spelunker4Plato

            “regime change”

            “voter fraud”

            “gerrymandering/redistricting”

            “proxy militias”

            these are the things rogerbinion needs to do research on

          • rogerbinion

            Why should I waste my time on ridiculous conspiracy theories?

          • Barsoomian

            Ummm…. I don’t know… maybe to learn something you don’t know, but need to? Of course, NOBODY in the world has EVER engaged in conspiracies!

          • rogerbinion

            What is to be gained from reading nonsense? I’ll stick to the real news, thanks. I don’t have a tin foil hat and don’t plan on getting one anytime soon.

          • Michael Gmirkin

            M’yeah… Not really.

            Bernie’s legit down early on in the race. But we’ll see what happens once Bernie / Clinton move out of the “Old South” and into the rest of the country. Bernie may well gain back the ground he lost early on in Clinton’s “firewall” states.

            Time will tell.

            —–

            That said, there has been a pretty clear media bias against widespread coverage of Bernie events, etc., giving far and away more time to Mrs. C. and to the Mein Drumpf circus sideshow. IMO, all the candidates should be given roughly equal coverage / analysis, not this lop-sided mess that is the current Primary season… Bernie’s been starting to get a bit more coverage since late last year / early this year, but there still seems to be a perceived general lack of serious / equal coverage of many of his events.

          • rogerbinion

            You mean like Ohio and Illinois? Even Missouri? And what about Massachusetts?

            In case you weren’t paying attention, she won OH 64.4 to 33.3, IL 50.5 to 48.4 and MO 49.6 to 49.4. And MA 50.1 to 48.7

            It’s cute that you think that Bernie, who couldn’t even carry MA, will beat Hillary in every single state going forward 60-40, which is what he would need to do to make up the 300+ delegate deficit he has now.

            FYI – Hillary couldn’t overcome a 100 delegate deficit even after winning CA, PA, OH, NJ, NY, etc.

          • jonathan

            Global conspiracy? Nah. Corporate/media conspiracy to pick the most favorable corporate candidate and not the one who has said “he will break up the banks”…. yes, most certainly and you’re f-ing blind if you don’t see that.

          • feloneouscat

            Last I checked, the media didn’t pick my candidate.

            I did.

            But thank you for telling me what you think of your fellow Americans.

          • Eric Matthews

            Bernie’s campaign has used honey pot tactics to campaign to guys on dating sites, infiltrated labor unions in Nevada by having campaign staff wear full labor union uniforms in order to campaign in off-limit locations. Hi

            And they got caught STEALING campaign data, admitted it and then blamed the DNC for thier active theft!

            Bernie doesn’t get to claim the moral high ground. His entire campaign strategy is based on the LIE that he’s a democrat! He freely admits even now that he only joined the party for the media (and the money and resources).

          • Sandra

            OMG, are all HRC supporters such liars as you are? You couldn’t possibly be so misinformed, could you?

            I think somebody got the idea to set up a dating site for Bernie folks, but it failed quickly, so that’s got no traction. As for the Nevada labor union frap, what you say is totally untrue. They never wore uniforms at all–somebody gave them a union button, which family members say they sometimes wear in support of their union kin. When it was called to their attention the area was restricted, they left. The local Nevada papers had people commenting that they didn’t see why any fuss was made about this, because in 2008, Bill C. had been in the exact same areas and nobody made a fuss over him campaigning in restricted areas.

            And no campaign data was ever stolen, so that’s a vicious lie. Even the company that controlled the data, NPG VAN said that nothing was ever downloaded or saved. A worker (who had been recommended to Bernie’s campaign by both the DNC and NGP VAN) looked briefly at some stuff he should have ignored and was fired because of that. There’s some speculation as to whether he was a plant deliberately causing trouble or just misguided. The facts are that the database had a breach back around October, which the Bernie campaign dutifully reported and promises were made to fix it.

            Then in December, when the breach happened again and it was obvious it wasn’t fixed, the guy took a look to see how extensive it was and that’s all that happened. The DNC (unlike October) made a big fuss and went to the media just before the debate, violating their own agreement by shutting Bernie’s campaign off from his own data gathered by his own volunteers. It came off looking like more malfeasance on the part of the DNC and just caused even more people to donate money to Bernie, so it backfired on them. Bernie called for a full investigation of both data breaches to try to find out the truth.

            And Bernie has never lied about being a Democrat either. The two parties have rigged it so that no one can win without running as either a Democrat or a Republican. It’s almost impossible to get on the ballots in all the states without the party banner, much less get into the debates or get any media attention. We need to change our system to make it friendlier to independents and third parties, because it’s obvious the two-party system is not serving us, but that will have to happen down the road. Bernie is simply dealing with the situation that exists now.

          • alanall

            There is no conspiracy. Clinton openly supports fracking, private prisons, the MIC, agri-buz, the TPP, and endless war. And, Bernie supporters are the loony ones?

          • rogerbinion

            Lies, lies and more lies.

            Seriously, are you Karl Rove?

          • Eric Matthews

            She openly rejected support of the TPP. She is against private prisons and has returned campaign donations from them. And has never ‘openly” supported “endless war”, that’s just a label you put on her for not being totally against military action for any reasons.

            Either you are lying or you actually don’t care what her real positions are.

          • Michael Gmirkin

            “She openly rejected support of the TPP.”

            Pshaw… Do you really truly believe that? That in her heart of hearts she thinks it’s a “bad idea” and would veto it, or work to repeal it once in office?

            I’d call it “Campaign Promise” opposition, maybe. If that.

            I trust her “about face” flip-flop about as far as I can throw her. As do many.

            Time Donohue seems to agree that it’s just a superficial campaign promise-of-convenience… She’s been adopting Bernie’s talking points to try to blunt his success, little more AFAIK…

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html

            Will Clinton actually *do* anything to oppose TPP? Or is is just a “campaign promise” to be forgotten the moment she’s sworn in?

            http://crooksandliars.com/2015/12/does-clinton-really-oppose-tpp-there-test

            That’s the question on everyone’s mind… She has a long way to go in convincing people of her sincerity.

          • Eric Matthews

            So sorry I forgot about the totally different standards we apply to Hillary than any other candidate. Her promises are all lies of course, and everyone else’s are sancrosanct. Bernie couldn’t possibly be lying about being able to pass his campaign promises. Gosh it’s not like he’s been involved with politics for the last 20 years or anything. He’s an outsider. He totally ignores other democrats in the congress and senate (the people who he needs to vote on those campaign promises) dollars while pretending he doesn’t know what a Superdelegate is (he is one). He knows better and it’s a pretty gigantic lie to say he’ll pass all of his campaighn promises on strength of “the people”as he wars with the DNC and ignores the rest of the democratic field.

            Hillary raised $27 million for downticket Dems and the DNC in 2015, Bernie raised $1,000. So if he’s elected and then can’t do anything because of the republican congress and senate he didn’t bother to help change… Let’s blame Hillary’s lies for that too.

          • Sandra

            No, we are applying the same standard to HRC that any sensible voter would apply to any candidate and she comes up short on both honesty and on her past record, because she shows terrible judgement. Bernie has a record of keeping his promises and that’s why he gets more than 70% of the vote in his state from the people who know him best.

            He doesn’t ignore anybody in Congress and works well with the Democrats, getting more amendments to bills passed than anybody ever had before. He has the highest favorability rating of anybody of either party in the Senate.

            As for Democrats down ticket, Bernie has done more than just raise money for them, he’s inspired people to run who support his agenda. Take a look here, and this is not a complete list: http://sandersdemocrats.com

            Plus he gets money for these down ticket people running for Congress that you don’t know about, because Bernie supporters are donating directly to their campaigns. We don’t donate to the DNC because we don’t trust them to use the money correctly–we just go straight to the campaigns of all the people we support, who also support Bernie.

          • feloneouscat

            Plus he gets money for these down ticket people running for Congress that you don’t know about, because Bernie supporters are donating directly to their campaigns.

            Do you have proof? Because it sounds totally like supposition to me.

          • GodBlessRealAmerica!!

            Bernie is low energy, Crooked Evil Hillary will win

          • feloneouscat

            Tim Donohue seems to agree that it’s just a superficial campaign promise-of-convenience..

            I’m pretty sure Tim Donohue can’t read minds, so what he says is just patent rubbish.

          • alanall

            More accurately, it would probably be better to say that she tacitly modified her support for the TPP after Sanders made it a compelling campaign issue. As I recall, her wording was something to the effect that it didn’t in its current form meet her “Gold Standard”.

          • Brooke

            Her positions change with the wind.

          • feloneouscat

            Yes, because they make these statements:

            Clinton openly supports fracking, private prisons, the MIC, agri-bus, the TPP, and endless war.

            When Sanders only voted against ONE WAR, the Iraq War, yet voted to fund it afterwards. One might argue he didn’t really have much of a conviction, eh?

          • alanall

            I think he’s voted against more than just one war but, yes, voting for war funding is problematic.

          • feloneouscat

            I would like to know which other war, because as far as I can tell, he’s pretty much supported military aggression.

            He is not a dove by any stretch of the imagination.

          • feloneouscat

            endless war

            Sanders voted to keep the wars in Afghanistan (which he voted for) and Iraq (which he didn’t) going.

            He said the AUMF for Afghanistan was “symbolic” because the President had the War Powers Act.

            He either lied, or was ignorant. Either one disqualifies him from being President.

          • Shannon Morris

            “loony tunes”
            A dead giveaway that you have been gobbling up what the establishment has been feeding you.
            Who really supports Hillary? CNN (aka Time Warner), Wall Street, 38 of 46 senators who caucus with the Democrats…
            Does anyone trust ANY of those groups? But when they tell you that Bernie supporters are a bunch of “loonies”, suddenly they’ve won your trust.
            Brilliant.

          • rogerbinion

            Oh no! The Evil Establishment! Gather up the women and children! Circle the wagons!

            After all the insults being hurled by crazy, off the rails, Bernie supporters, I have zero respect for them. So, yeah, looney tunes it is.

          • Rowena

            Illinois and Missouri are ties. Sanders actually has more delegates in Missouri than Clinton, so he won that state. This is the end of states where she will win. Sanders is polling higher in the states that are left. All he has to do is take the remaining states by a few points each. He could even lose a couple and still top her in pledged delegates.

          • rogerbinion

            He has one more delegate from MO. One. One.

            And Hillary has one more than him from IL so those two are a wash.

            But, she bested him 130-63 in FL, 59-45 in NC and 76-57 in OH.

            That puts her ahead in total delegates for just Tuesday 364 to 264.

            Total delegates are now 1,132 to 818. A difference of 314 delegates.

            And he is NOT polling higher in the states that are left. Seriously, find an real news site. Try 538. They have done a great job so far, other than Michigan, in predicting the winners and the percentage of victories.

            And he doesn’t need to take them by a few points. He needs to win decisively. Like 80-20 or at least 70-30. Ties like in MO and IL won’t cut it.

            That’s just math and reality whether you like it or not.

          • Sandra

            You think 538 is doing a great job when they were so wrong about Michigan? They predicted that HRC had a 99% or greater chance of winning there and that Bernie had a 1% or less chance and you see what happened. They had to eat crow over that one and doubtless will be doing it several times before the race is over. You are the one who needs to face reality.

          • rogerbinion

            They missed one. One. Just one.

            Every other projection has been correct for both the Dems and the GOP.

            For the 15th primaries:

            FL projection: 64.9 to 32.1. Actual 64.4 to 33.3
            IL projection: 51.8 to 44.1 Actual 50.5 to 48.4
            MO projection: 48.8 to 48.0 Actual 49.6 to 49.4
            NC projection: 60.8 to 36.2 Actual 54.6 to 40.8
            OH projection: 54.1 to 43.1 Actual 56.5 to 42.7

            And I’m the one who needs to reality…

            Seriously, you are just off the charts delusional.

          • Kyle McHattie

            First, telling the truth is not trashing. Shillary is a corporate whore. That is a fact. Third, Bernie has not lost every state. He won new hampshire, vermont and michigan by a mile and was a dead heat in iowa, nevada and SC. Maybe get informed before posting bullshit.

          • rogerbinion

            ‘Shillary is a corporate whore.’

            This is a lie.

            Michigan by a mile? How drunk are you? Out of 1,194,643 votes cast, the margin of victory was only 18,427 votes.

            And you tell me to get more informed… The irony is amusing, to say the least.

          • Kyle McHattie

            He won Michigan. He won new hampshire. He won Vermont. Far from ‘he lost every state’. Maybe you don’t know what informed means?

          • rogerbinion

            And where did I say he lost every state? I didn’t.

            Quit making crap up.

          • Kyle McHattie

            Wow. Do you not even remember your own posts?

          • Michael Menolascino

            Yeah, “He lost every single state” has context- “since you posted this insane rant 3 hours ago.” Which is absolutely true. He lost every single state since then.

          • rogerbinion

            Can you not read? At all? Do you lack basic comprehension skills?

            I was referring to the March 15th primaries, which, if you were paying attention, Bernie did, in fact, lose every single state of the five that were voting.

            Seriously, you people are just ridiculous.

          • rogerbinion

            Again with the stupid.

            I was referring to the primary elections on March 15th, you know, where Bernie went 0-5.

            Or were you not aware of the fact that he did, in fact, lose every single state on March 15th?

          • Michael Gmirkin

            Roger,

            Let’s not get into polemics.

            Bernie has done quite well so far. Yes, he’s trailing 2008 Obama, but then Obama likely got a fair lead from black “Old South” states early on.

            Bernie clearly has ground to make up, but, that said, some have predicted that Hillary would gain extra “lead” until mid-march, until she was out of her “Old South” comfort zone, and then promptly lose that lead in the rest of the nation, where Bernie polls well.

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/clinton-will-build-biggest-lead-march-15-sanders-will-erode.html

            And there are still a number of “large” states yet to primary/caucus, like California, etc. Which could swing the race and turn it on its ear.

            We’ll see what happens in reality. I frame no hypotheses, but hope for the best. ^_^

            Have a good one!

            Regards,
            ~MG

          • mdb

            The scenario that has Sanders reversing a 351 delegate deficit is just incredulous…or maybe 330 – 335 is slightly more doable? Clinton losing every state from here on but Washington D.C? That’s some serious hash-pipe thinking with some closed, diverse primaries yet to come. Moreover, Clinton getting just 37% of the vote in CA because Sanders is going to somehow change the narrative and by June turn a -12 to a +9 nationally? I don’t see it, and I can call one state that he surely won’t win and that’s Maryland, where Obama beat the brakes off of Clinton (60 – 35%) in 2008. That likely includes Delaware as well.

          • James Brooks

            Lol, you got turned off of a candidate by what other people said. What conviction!

          • rogerbinion

            I didn’t say I had conviction for Bernie. I was considering him as a choice. But, after the obnoxious Bernie supporters and their condescension towards anyone who wasn’t on Team Bernie, yeah, I bailed.

            It’s called making an informed decision and I didn’t like what I was seeing.

          • Kyle McHattie

            So informed is now based on public opinion? James has it right, you have no conviction or intelligence if you let other people’s comments sway your decision to vote for the man.

          • rogerbinion

            I’d rather hit my face with a hammer than spend 20 minutes with most of Bernie supporters. So, yeah, I’m going to go with the candidate who is attracting reasonable and sane followers.

          • Barsoomian

            “And since you posted this insane rant 3 hours ago, you know that Bernie is done. He lost EVERY SINGLE STATE.”

            The future remains to be seen, but did you comprehend the original article above?

          • rogerbinion

            Oh, for F#@%s sake. Can you not comprehend the English language?

            I was referring to the primaries held on the 15th where, yes, he did, in fact, lose every single state.

            Seriously, you BernieBots can be rather dense.

          • RT

            Why the hell would you not vote for Bernie? Your reason is insanity. Hillary is a freakin neoliberal and has caused so much trouble to this country, economy and foreign policy. Seriously go get a damn education and perhaps ask some professors for help in understanding what is going on in the world since you apparently need it. She flips on almost every issue just to get elected. Bernie is an actual progressive… I’m sorry, but you really are blind if you think Hillary is better than Bernie when you’re watching those debates…

            It really isn’t hard to look up your candidates stances and follow them when we live in the internet age. Why do you think she doesn’t support single payer anymore? Because she gets paid big bucks by the drug companies you can look these up very easily… This isn’t tin foil hat stuff. Google is your friend… The same thing with banking. Why do you think she said no breaking up the banks in the first debate? Then all of a sudden in the later debates she says sure I can break them up only if there is a “systemic risk” because of Dodd-Frank. Also don’t forget that the banks and financial sector are BIGGER today than they were in 08 yet they crashed then. Also you do realize Dodd-Frank is a shit ass regulation bill that was put in place after the crash? It doesn’t do squat… Obama hasn’t regulated the banks at all… Also Dodd and Frank are now members of financial boards. See how amazing it is to be smart? And actually look information up is amazing and fun right?

            I’m sorry if this sounds too rude to you, but you honestly you need the wake up call. You will still disagree with me because you are either suffering from cognitive dissonance or you yourself are not really progressive and simply happen to like the neoliberal positions and to be fair to you, that can actually be true. If its the latter then that’s your opinion. If it’s the former then I’m sorry to burst your bubble on your candidate, but hey we all have to grow up sometime. Then again a lot of people don’t…

          • rogerbinion

            Well, let me just highlight some of your more obnoxious and condescending comments:

            ‘Your reason is insanity.’

            ‘Seriously go get a damn education and perhaps ask some professors for help in understanding what is going on in the world since you apparently need it.’

            ‘I’m sorry, but you really are blind if you think Hillary is better than Bernie when you’re watching those debates…’

            ‘I’m sorry if this sounds too rude to you, but you honestly you need the wake up call. You will still disagree with me because you are either suffering from cognitive dissonance or you yourself are not really progressive and simply happen to like the neoliberal positions and to be fair to you, that can actually be true. If its the latter then that’s your opinion. If it’s the former then I’m sorry to burst your bubble on your candidate, but hey we all have to grow up sometime. Then again a lot of people don’t…’

            The entire last paragraph…

            As for needing to grow up, it would be the Bernie supporters who should be heeding that advice.

            He’s toast. He cannot win the nomination. That’s just a mathematical fact.

            So, move along and find something else to rant about. Find some other reason to insult people and basically call them ‘stupid’ because they don’t believe exactly what you do.

            Seriously, I will be so glad when Bernie is gone from the national stage and I no longer have to put up with you people are your insanity.

          • RT

            Then you are a neoliberal which I explained. Since you didn’t counter anything I said you essentially admit it. That’s fine then because as you say not everyone believes what I do. At least you admit it. I just find those policies to be absolutely trash since economics, foreign policy and trade is practically identical to neoconservatives.

            I don’t vote for neoliberals so that’s that really. I’ll continue to vote progressive.

        • disqah

          There’s must have beeen a lot of dirty work for her to win these 5 states.

          • Vicki

            What’s wrong with you? You just can’t stand to see Bernie is not the favorite everywhere. Don’t accuse people of underhanded doings, that’s just immature and definitely not true. Prove your accusations before you print them for everyone to read.

          • Sandra

            What’s wrong with you? Did you click on the link I provided above where mentally disabled people were fooled into voting for HRC? Did you click on the link I provided below that is hidden camera video of a Nevada lawyer telling HRC campaign folks to do illegal stuff? And here’s another link with some number analysis that shows there’s stinky stuff going on: https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/mi-primary-bernie-did-much-better-than-the-recorded-share-indicates/

          • disqah

            Sandra, don’t take me wrong please, it’s a tough day for all but it would be nice to have an ad, or a note, from Mr. Sanders thanking the milliosn who have followed him, many have made a true effort to face the difficult and complicated process of voting, thanking them that each of their votes were worthfull for the strengh of his campaign. And, to call people to keep on voting for the only candidate with a true political message and solutions. I know emotion is was drives ppl to vote, like Clinton and Trump has shown, but it will harm everyone who has voted, will vote and support Mr.Sanders amazing political and human believes! Sorry for my english, :-)!

          • Sandra

            Bernie has thanked his supporters, I believe, after each primary or caucus. We continue to support him as long as he is willing to stay in the race.

          • feloneouscat

            Actually, that “numerical analysis” is at best suspect and at worst silly. I’m glad he has fun doing it. But if he thinks exit polls are reasonable, perhaps he needs to read this:

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/

        • Okey Van Wy

          No forgiveness! They should be sent to jail for fraud and treason!

        • Cassandra Atticum

          Or maybe the Democratic party is at fault for not getting their registered voters off their duffs. If they don’t vote, they are the ones at fault for failing to elect their nominee. Not the ones who do vote for their preferred candidates.

        • Art Carmen

          Sandra: your accusations are BS.If you have evidence of HRC lying about Sanders, spell them out. The other ‘horror stories” you cite , do not sway an election . HILLARY won by 20,000 votes in Boston. Bill Clinton was not found to violate any election laws visiting polls for pictures and conversations , he is not even running , his wife is, and MA Sec of State Galvin found no election laws violated . You know that , but repeat the lie here.

          • Sandra

            Nope, we know that what Bill C. did in Massachusetts did violate their regulations, as was reported by people who were, in fact, there on the ground. But the Clintons seem to have a lot of officials in their pockets and get away with things other people would be arrested for doing. That just turns smart voters off to them, because no one should be above the law or else our system fails.

            HRC has lied about Bernie at most of the debates. For example, she lied about him supporting the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, when he did not and lied about that causing the financial crash. The CFMA was added last minute to an omnibus spending bill and Congress had to vote for it or shut the government down back when Congress didn’t contemplate such a move. When Bernie realized what had happened, he spoke out against the CFMA and tried to get it repealed. By the way, it was HRC’s own husband, Bill, who signed this CFMA into law along with the repeal of Glass Steagall, and both those things together led to the financial crash. Bernie also tried to block the appointment of one of the CFMA’s main authors, Gary Gensler, in the Obama administration. Guess where Gary Gensler is currently. Now Gensler is chief financial counsel in HRC’s campaign.

            HRC also has lied about Bernie, trying to make him look sexist, trying to pretend people would somehow lose their ACA health insurance, so many lies. But what happens when HRC (or her minions) lies is that Bernie’s supporters donate to his campaign, so it backfires.

          • Art Carmen

            I live in Massachusetts . No voting laws were violated . There is a 150 foot restriction on signs , buttons. I can walk in and out of voting precincts any time i want, not interfering. Mayor Marty Walsh and Bill Clinton merely greeted poll workers inside and outside , chatted , no politicing. The one lying here is Bernie supporters ; Bernie is not even making that accusation . The rest of your stuff , as I thought , is petty.

          • feloneouscat

            Nope, we know that what Bill C. did in Massachusetts did violate their regulations, as was reported by people who were, in fact, there on the ground.

            Apparently, shaking hands does NOT violate election laws. So, no, once again, no laws were broken. But you can read the following if you really want to be sure:

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/bill-clinton-campaigning-polling-place-super-tuesday/index.html

          • Carolyn Campbell

            Everywhere Bill Clinton shows up their is a mob of admirers. Bernie’s presence at a polling place had similar results. No laws were broken by either men.
            Try this on for size about gender parity in the campaign and see what you think. Bernie’s top ten paid staffers are ALL men.

            http://theslot.jezebel.com/an-investigation-which-presidential-campaigns-have-the-1762895557?utm_campaign=socialfow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

          • feloneouscat

            Try this on for size about gender parity in the campaign and see what you think. Bernie’s top ten paid staffers are ALL men.

            I’ve been puzzled how electing an old, white man was revolution. Now I know.

            It isn’t.

        • SMB1128

          That’s the only thing you people can do is try to smear someone’s good character. Nobody ever taught you in life, “believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see” did they? The McDonald’s story sounds like even greater nonsense but thanks for the laugh Sandra.

          What’s really worse for me is Bernie’s people can’t even fill out a damn financial form correctly. Not to mention taking donations from people that are over the contribution limit, letting foreigners invest in his campaign, etc. His campaign is totally under investigation by the FEC for all these violations that have been happening since end of last year. We will get his response by 3/17/16 though because that’s when it’s due to the FEC.

          • Sandra

            So you didn’t listen to the interview and hear how upset the sister was over her brother being used like an object instead of a human then. This is real and only one of the slimiest examples of many fraudulent things the HRC campaign has done. Ignore it if you wish, but ignore it at your peril, because others are not as blind and willfully ignorant as you are.

            We welcome any investigation, because Bernie’s campaign has done nothing wrong. He’s attracted a lot of new voters who may not understand how much they can contribute, but whenever Bernie finds out about a contribution he doesn’t want, he turns it away. He did that when Martin Shkreli, the guy who raised the price of the AIDS pill tried to donate. Bernie sent his donation to a clinic that helps AIDS patients.

        • heylook

          Re: Hillary’s truthiness: Check her Politifact.com file — she’s actually the most truthful candidate…among all of them.

        • Bernard Melendez

          Seriously. Read what you just wrote

        • Janice

          also when you have bought an election you should be shown the door. look at washington state Bernie Sanders was the overwhelming victor but the super delegates are promised to hillary no matter what their constituencies voted something is very wrong here and it time to correct it Feel the Bern (I am a woman and a boomer who just donated again to Bernie)

      • Spelunker4Plato

        ” Those who aren’t prepared to do the same for Hillary may have to face they fact they helped elect Trump should he win.”

        I don’t think you understand.

        I owe no allegiance to the democratic party. They’re controlled opposition, they are not leftists.

        “But think of the children”

        how about you go to Iraq and Afghanistan and all the places the U.S. has drone struck and tell the kids there that their families have to die because you had to vote along party lines? And that their fellow citizens died because you had to vote along party lines when Obama became POTUS? Why don’t you talk about kids killed in bombing runs from democrat presidents and democrats who supported the war?

        • Carolyn Campbell

          Whatever one’s allegiance, hopefully, it is working in some small way to improve society within a party or not. However, people who don’t vote, don’t get to complain.

          • Spelunker4Plato

            Who says i’m not voting at all? I’ve already voted for a woman before, and her name is Jill Stein.

          • feloneouscat

            Who says i’m not voting at all? I’ve already voted for a woman before, and her name is Jill Stein.

            Who will not become President and has no possibility of keeping Trump out of the White House.

            Strategy: you don’t have one.

        • feloneouscat

          how about you go to Iraq and Afghanistan and all the places the U.S. has drone struck and tell the kids there that their families have to die because you had to vote along party lines?

          Oh, yeah, Afghanistan. Yeah, that was one thing that Bernie Sanders WAS in favor of – attacking a country that didn’t attack us.

      • YouandWhoseArmy3D

        Carolyn I think you are completely missing the point, and why Bernie, and by proxy Trump, have any kind of popularity.

        Clinton and every Republican except for Trump are not real choices. They have been chosen for us by the political and media elite who have been screwing over the middle and working class for 3+ decades now. While Clinton would be moderately more reasonable on some social issues, her lack of honesty regarding her real views and motivations scares a lot of people, myself included. She would do nothing to stop the erosion of the middle/working class and would probably accelerate it with her support of the TPP. Clinton is a neoliberal. Please read about that on Wikipedia.

        Trump is popular because people feel like he was not chosen for them. He is a rejection of political and media elites.

        Any real choice, no matter how crazy, seems more reasonable to a lot of people than what has been forced.

        The general election in this country should be between Clinton and Sanders. But the system is broken.

        • Kyle McHattie

          exactly right.

        • feloneouscat

          The general election in this country should be between Clinton and Sanders. But the system is broken.

          Sanders would lose. That’s why he didn’t run as an Independent.

          • GodBlessRealAmerica!!

            TRUMP will Win big against Crooked Hillary and the Clinton Crime Family!!! TRUMP 2016 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

      • Paul Roper Sr.

        The DNC should have thought it through better WE are #BernieorBust they fkd us we will fk them in Nov!!

        • feloneouscat

          A President Trump only “fks the poor, people of color, Muslims, women, LGBTQI….” – so you must be one of those white men who will be able to “pass” as a racist.

          I’m not so lucky.

        • tracey marie

          the only thing you will fck is your mom

      • jonathan

        That’s exactly what I WANT if Bernie doesn’t win. America deserves Trump. We’re FED UP with the lesser of two evils BS. I’m all for letting the fascist, racist win 4 years to finally wake up enough people to end it., Let both parties burn to the ground if that’s what it takes. We’re due for another recession anyways. It’s a 10 year cycle since WW2. Personally if Bernie runs independent that’d even be great because it would split the vote. Possibly teach the Dems and their un-American super delegate mpm sense a lesson or at least be the beginning of the end. Even the f-ing Republicans don’t have super delegates that don’t have to vote with the voters. Honestly I don’t care if not voting for a disgrace like Clinton means a disgrace (plus a few other choice words) like Trump will win. America deserves a kick to the groin. Plus it will be rather enjoyable and fulfilling to see Republicans finally get their “Obama” they’ve been crying about for 7-8 years. They just don’t realize yet it’s Trump.

        • Michael Menolascino

          “Hillary is a corporate shill who changings her stances with public opinion.” – I’m confused- if she changes her stance with public opinion, doesn’t that mean that she’s not a corporate shill (just doing what they tell her)? Rather, I’d say this makes her an effective politician in a representative republic (changing her position to match that of those she represents).

          • Sandra

            Well, the problem with that is HRC says she has changed her stances to whatever is popular in the moment, but since she has a record of changing so often and is know to be challenged about telling the truth, no one can tell what her stance really is. The only thing we can be sure of is that she will serve her corporate donors in the end, because that is what her record shows.

            When she was secretary of state, she refused to designate Boko Haram a terrorist organization, even when the CIA and other pressured her to do so. Later it came out that a Nigerian billionaire friend of the Clintons didn’t want the terrorist designation because he was afraid it would hurt his real estate holdings. There are dozens of examples like this.

          • feloneouscat

            When she was secretary of state, she refused to designate Boko Haram a terrorist organization, even when the CIA and other pressured her to do so. Later it came out that a Nigerian billionaire friend of the Clintons didn’t want the terrorist designation because he was afraid it would hurt his real estate holdings.

            Where the hell do you people get this crap?

            From the Congressional Research Service Report on Boko Haram:

            “Nigeria experts who opposed the designation argued that it would have few practical effects, given limited information suggesting material support for the group from individuals in U.S. jurisdiction, and they cautioned that a designation might actually serve as a recruitment and fundraising tool. Some global counterterrorism experts have made similar arguments about potential complications related to FTO designations, suggesting a designation could inadvertently give additional visibility and credibility to a group among international jihadists or could make the operations of U.S.-based relief agencies in Boko Haram areas more difficult.”

            This seems to jive with: “In a letter to the State Department dated May 2012, twenty prominent African studies scholars wrote Clinton to implore her to hold off on placing Boko Haram on the FTO list. Acknowledging the violence Boko Haram had perpetrated, the academics argued that “an FTO designation would internationalize Boko Haram, legitimize abuses by Nigeria’s security services, limit the State Department’s latitude in shaping a long term strategy, and undermine the U.S. Government’s ability to receive effective independent analysis from the region.” – http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/05/08/3435588/hillary-and-boko-haram/

            See, Sanda, it’s not just about us. Sometimes we have to consider OTHER people, and that includes those who are directly in harms way.

            Glad you weren’t making the call.

        • feloneouscat

          That’s exactly what I WANT if Bernie doesn’t win. America deserves Trump.

          Even Bernie Sanders doesn’t believe that America deserves Trump. How do I know this? He said so.

          I’m all for letting the fascist, racist win 4 years to finally wake up enough people to end it.

          Four years? (laughs) Do you not read history? No, of course you don’t, otherwise you wouldn’t understand that if Civil Rights is rolled back, you will be dead and buried before it comes around (if ever).

          This is the problem with Sanders’ supporters – they’ve got so much privilege that they think male and white is the norm.

      • SMB1128

        Hillary can beat Trump with her eyes closed. She’s a great candidate and leader. We have total faith in her.

        • Carolyn Campbell

          She’s already one million votes ahead of Trump. #ImWithHer

      • Marge

        I’ll do you one better. I WILL vote for Trump if he’s running against Hillary. Bernie is my choice. Hillary never.

        • Carolyn Campbell

          See what Bernie does should he not get the nomination. If he asks his supporters to vote for Hillary and not for Trump what will that say about his people if if they refuse? Bernie does not support Trump. Here’s just one of Bernie’s comments about Trump: https://www.facebook.com/actdottv/videos/427060427484529/.

      • Barsoomian

        Better than if I had to say I voted for Hillary.

      • Mark Laszlo

        Please read my comment above. See, if you excuse anyone’s electoral fraud instead of opposing all frauds, elections become a contest of frauds. Then we will get the candidate & party better at fraud, not the majority of voters’ choice. Can you own your soul in that dystopia?

        • Carolyn Campbell

          Bernie has not said there has been any electoral fraud. He is succeeding within a system that has many advantages for him as he has admitted publicly. As a long-time Independent, he gets to run as a Democrat within the DNC, including access their lists (and Hillary’s that were stolen, but she has forgiven him and his staff) and, by his own admission, this access has made the campaign much more affordable, plus he gets far more media attention from running under the Democratic party banner. The campaign isn’t over and Bernie may pull a final stretch miracle, but the numbers are formidable. HRC has two million more votes at this juncture. The American system is not without its flaws, but I am proud that we have the caliber of candidates that we do and that many people can vote their choice, even though many are thwarted by the GOP’s gerrymandering over the last decade. We can stand together to beat Donald Trump or any GOP candidate, or not. I choose to support the Democratic nominee. As an American, it is my civic duty to fight for what I believe in.

      • Rachman Cantrell

        The problem for Hillary is that even if she gets the nomination she cannot win the presidency. It takes the support of independents and a lot of Democratic voters to win a national election. She has almost no support from independents, none from Republicans and only lukewarm support among Democrats. Republicans win when voter turnout is low! That is why they keep trying to make voting more difficult and complicated in order to keep it that way! Hillary does not have the charisma or appeal to attract a large amount of Democrats to the voting booths in a national election and with no independent support we have the formula to give Republicans the presidency! On the other hand with Bernie it looks a lot more promising! He generates huge enthusiastic support among young and old, men and women, independents and even a number of Republicans. He has the drawing power to get voters to come out in droves and in a contest with any of the Republican candidates he would win by large margins. If you want to avoid a Trump presidency it would be a good idea to do everything you can to get Bernie in the White House! Hillary won’t be able to do it!

        • Carolyn Campbell

          No one has a crystal ball and can predict which way the general election will go, including if it will be Trump for the GOP. Lots of things percolating behind the scenes there. All we have to go on are the actual results of the caucuses and primaries. Sec’y Clinton is currently more than two million votes ahead of Sen. Sanders and one million ahead of Trump. The majority of women and people of color are with Hillary as are a good number of young and old voters (her 66% landslide in Florida was with those 50 years and older). With 200 more pledged delegates committed to Clinton than Sanders, we will have to wait until July to see how the Democratic nomination goes. Best of luck to us all.

      • Janice

        It would feel good, as I am against wars made for profit at the expense of our young people, but the rich’s kids get deferments… Does that seem right to you?, and a vote for hillary is getting the USA in another war in no time, and I hope folks have no kids, as she will have to repay her corporate donors who are basically the war machines

    • MiaEli15

      Typical ignorant Berniebot. Don’t vote. That’s fine, Trump thanks you!

      • Spelunker4Plato

        Trump claims to be getting votes from independents. I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

    • rogerbinion

      Enough with this Hillary supported Goldwater nonsense. It just shows how ignorant you ‘I HATE HILLARY’ people really are.

      She was in HIGH SCHOOL and helping her FATHER. She was not old enough to vote. When she became 21 and registered, she registered as a Democrat and has been since 1968.

      And find me a politician who wasn’t against gay marriage until very recently. Even BERNIE was against when he was mayor of Burlington.

      So, you’d rather have kids go hungry when Trump/Cruz cuts their food aid, right? That would be a better solution than voting for Hillary?

      Seriously, you far left lunatics really are the Trump supporters of the Left. It’s frightening.

      • Sandra

        As I pointed out below, Bernie was not against gay rights. He was very active in talking the city council in Burlington into approving a gay rights parade there. He also spoke out very openly in the newspapers about it. Here’s what a publication for gay people has to say about Bernie’s support: http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719

        • rogerbinion

          I didn’t say he was against gay rights. Can you not read?

          I said he was against gay MARRIAGE.

          No wonder you are so ill-informed. Comprehension is not your strong suit, obviously.

          • Ian D

            You’re an asshole.

          • rogerbinion

            Well, aren’t you charming.

          • thamolas

            rogerbinion: “If I smugly insult everyone who disagrees with me, I’ll change their minds for sure! Especially if I refuse to concede when they make logical points. Neener neener neener.”

          • rogerbinion

            Um, that’s the Bernie side. Doing nothing but hurling insults like petulant children.

          • Kyle McHattie

            And two wrongs don’t make a right. and generalizing all Bernie supporters a lunatics makes you weak minded, and your arguments null. Come up with something intelligent to say ok?

          • rogerbinion

            And when I do, I get stupid comments like yours.

          • Sandra

            I know gay people and some of them didn’t think gay marriage would happen in their lifetimes way back when Bernie was promoting gay pride parades. It’s just wrong to pretend Bernie was against gay marriage, when in all likelihood he would have supported it if he had thought it a possibility then. He never said anything against it, whereas HRC pushed the idea of DOMA, which Bernie voted against. There’s a stark difference there. Bernie is acting from a place of really believing everyone deserves the same rights, regardless of orientation. HRC gives every appearance of only supporting things after they get popular, because of political expediency.

      • alanall

        Seriously, Trump has not won the RNC nomination. He hasn’t even won a majority of the delegates up to this point. You presume why to much. Furthermore, Sanders has a much better chance in the general of winning over all of the remaining RNC candidates. So, if you are voting on fear of an RNC take over the of the White House, your best vote is for Sanders.

        • rogerbinion

          If you think Bernie has a better chance of winning than Hillary, you are so far around the bend it isn’t even funny.

          Do you know that Bernie spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union? That he still thinks Castro is just fine?

          Once the GOP Attack Machine goes after him, it will make Swift Boating look like a pleasure cruise.

          Seriously, the delusion in you people is just off the charts.

          • Warrior KM

            You eat up everything your Mainstream Media feeds you, and it shows. You will one day look back and recall how embarrassingly you have behaved for a crook.

          • rogerbinion

            Well, it’s better than eating up whatever crap your eating.

          • Kyle McHattie

            ooooo snappy comeback…lol

          • Kyle McHattie

            Except that every poll has Bernie beating all GOP candidates. Shillary can’t even beat rubio or cruz. Nice try though…

          • rogerbinion

            National polls are irrelevant at this point.

          • Sandra

            Whole lot of psychological projection going on with you. You are delusional if you think going back forty years to try make more of a situation than existed is going to get anywhere. Bernie went to the Soviet Union because he was mayor and they visited a place that was a sister city to Burlington. He’s a workaholic, but there’s nothing nefarious there.

            The people who are delusional are the people who are pretending that people will just ignore the much more recent actions of HRC that show terrible judgement on her part. Whether you think the email server is criminal or not, it shows really bad judgement, and probably that she had a lot she wanted to hide. She won’t turn over her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, so more to hide. She showed her extreme hawkishness as secretary of state, and people are fed up with endless war that just makes profit for oil companies and military contractors. Her penchant for regime change led to the flood of unescorted children across the border from Honduras and led to the assassination of more than 100 environmental and activist people there.

            It’s delusional when you notice the speck in someone else’s eye and ignore the log in your own eye.

      • Melissa .C

        Bill goes into voting polls, blocks off voting polls for hours.. its illegal.. Hillary says she was running from sniper fire in Bosnia and changes her story when she was called out. Her own husband denied sexual relations with Monica until proof of DNA was on the dress then changes his story.. Emails that are still under investigation and we are the crazy ones? Hillary and Trump have been working together on this and you people are blind to see it. Its like the banks “too big to fail”

        • rogerbinion

          This is the best you can come up with?

          It’s really a rather lame list, to say the least.

          But, doesn’t matter. After winning all five states last night and with a 300+ delegate lead, it’s over for Bernie.

          The sooner you accept that, the better.

          • Spelunker4Plato

            In the words of Geoge Carlin: “It’s a club, and YOU AIN’T IN IT.”

          • tgbobbi

            Both candidates have been a part of Washington for over 25 years each.

            One candidate is worth $300K to $700K – the other is worth $125M – $150M.

            One candidate will have upwards of 10M to 20M, $29 donations by the general election – the other the most million dollar donations.

            One candidate’s motto is “We the People” – the other’s is “She’s for Us”.

            Now, ask yourself this question: Which candidate will have our interests at heart?

          • rogerbinion

            Um, the one who has being fighting her entire life for women, children, health care. That one.

          • Will B. Young

            rogerbinion, You obviously have not even read the article you are commenting on. The contest is far from over and I believe that Sanders is the most likely winner by the time everyone has voted. Every national poll on the subject has shown Sanders with a better chance of beating all of the possible republican candidates than Clinton. The numbers do not lie.

            If anyone is damaging Clinton’s chances of winning, should she be the nominee, it is folks like you who are alienating the very people that will be crucial to her election. My best guess is that you are a troll working for Trump or the Koch brothers or some other right-wing organization.

          • rogerbinion

            I read the article. But I’ve also read many more article. And this article was published BEFORE Hillary crushed Bernie in delegates with a new gain of 100 just for the day and now a total gain of 314, not including the Super Delegates.

            Sanders doesn’t stand a chance after the GOP Attack Machine goes all in with his socialism.

            And you are right: The numbers do not lie and they clearly indicate that there is no way that Sanders can win the nomination with a 314 delegate deficit.

            Oh, we should be nice to people who call Hillary a ‘corporate whore’ and ‘Republican-lite’ and a ‘warmonger.’?

            I don’t think so.

            Enjoy your fantasy land. The rest of us are living in the real world.

          • Warrior KM

            Son!

          • Jane

            Do you… do you even know who that is? You don’t, do you?

          • Jane

            That’s Robert Byrd, you dimwit.

            “Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation,” stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. “Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.”

            A distressing amount of the BernieSphere seems to be a fact-free zone.

          • philman

            I don’t consider someone a “stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act” when he fillilbustered against its passage, or the Voting Rights Act, when he voted against it. I’m glad he came around, or seemed to, years later, but this quote is kind of misleading.

          • Jane

            So good enough for the NAACP, not good enough for you. Got it.

            The Jealous quote is certainly less “misleading” than the original graphic, which calls Clinton a “REAL TRUE RACIST!!!1!!”

            “Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation,” stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy.

            You can hold your nose if you want, but that graphic is ridiculous and counts on people not knowing who the hell Robert Byrd is.

          • Melissa .C

            🙂 What’s up with the leg?

        • Warrior KM

          Get a clue, will ya? Lol you are being duped!

      • Kyle McHattie

        Your repeated slander of Bernie supporters doesn’t lend any credence to your position at all. It’s a ridiculous ad hominem attack with no substance. Just like all of your arguments.

        • rogerbinion

          Really? How, exactly, and I wrong with the Goldwater supporter stupidity?

          Please, do enlighten me, oh wise one.

    • you are either a troll or an idiot that believes $500B of lies and smear paid for by the GOP to not have to run against Hillary…..NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID – IRIONICALLY – IS TRUE….

    • Marge

      Same here, switched from Independent to Democratic to vote for Bernie. I will not vote for Hillary if she wins the candidacy. I would rather vote for Trump. Yes, I said that.

    • heylook

      Except that her Politifact.com Truth % is mostly higher than Bernie’s. Check the charts, read the debate breakdowns.

      I’m
      not a Hillary fan, but this hype about her being untrustworthy is
      nonsense. Has voted wrongly in the past? ABSOLUTELY. That’s why I’m not a
      fan. But the whole dishonesty thing is nonsense. And Bernie’s call for
      her to release her transcripts of Wall Street paid appearances is
      bull–it. It’s GOP-level game-playing, by a guy who positions himself as
      above that.

      I was also really disappointed w/Bernie’s tenuous
      understanding of international policy issues at the last debate (or was
      it the one before? Hard to remember).

      And, don’t forget, his
      promises — the promising of the moon that he does — is a campaign
      strategy. He’s got 30 years in the senate and knows full well how
      realistic many of these promises are.

      Just things to consider. I
      really wish Warren had enough time under her belt to be in the race
      this year. But it’s not her time yet.

    • Mamata

      Curious- will u stay home or write in Bernie?

  • Brad Elenes

    You’re an idiot. Sanders could win every state and still not catch Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary Clinton 2016!

    • Mark

      Hillary is pretty much the nominee. It’s not a question of what the media tells us (i don’t trust the media anyway), it’s math. I’m a Hillary supporter, but Sanders is more than just about winning the nominee. He’s about a “revolution” which has already taken place regardless of winning or not. He has also “re-shaped” Hillary for the better. Hillary’s plan appeals more to fiscal conservatives like myself, but I consider Bernie a hero.

      • William

        The issue with Hillary is she is to say whatever it takes to get peoples votes. She flipflops so badly and whores herself out to large corporations that she also cannot be trusted. Her past proves that too. Do I like Bernie? Yes. But I would not vote for him either. His plan for this nation is a step in the right direction but the issue though is we are is an estimated $20 trillion dollars of debt and need to fix this first before creating more strain on the government with social programs. If I had to vote though. If I had no choice I would just vote for an independent whoever they may be. Not like my vote really matters in Indiana. Our elector can vote for whoever they want without even concerning himself with the popular vote.

        • Spelunker4Plato

          not going to war would save money. this is a simple concept most of us should be able to understand.

      • Sandra

        Why on earth would you believe HRC? She’s just parroting what Bernie says for the campaign trail, but she will do whatever her big money donors want if people are so foolish as to allow her to get in office. She is exactly what we don’t need, because she has shown herself to be unfamiliar with the truth and is even more hawkish than some of the Republicans.

    • Cindy

      I don’t know what would be more fun. Having Bernie win because he is the best candidate or watching Hillary lose because she won’t have the Bernie voters.
      Bernie winning would be more fun – but watching Hillary lose because her and the media rigged the system against Bernie would be priceless. Either way one of the two scenarios will happen – just a matter of which one…

      • rogerbinion

        Well, the Supreme Court would be rather pleasant for the next 20-30 years. Same for assistance to the poor and hungry. And veterans.

        So, sure, enjoy watching Hillary lose and watch Trump destroy the country just because you are pathetically petty you only think of yourself.

        You probably cheered when Gore lost to W, right? We all saw how well that turned out. Or do you just not care about all the dead and wounded soldiers from the stupid Iraq War?

        You are Exhibit A as to why I could NEVER support Bernie. You people are just off the charts insane.

  • 6RID8U6

  • Tom

    LOL!!! The best guy is from DailyKOS? That’s rich. You pick the most noncredible site on the internet as a source.

    • Sawyer Donk

      And a reference to corporate media would be a “credible” source? They don’t cover bernie. An argument should stand on it’s own. Say if stephen hawking tells me Cthulhu is real, I should just believe him? In my opinion, we should start listening to those sitting next to us more than our TV screens.

  • Rosa

    Does Hellary know that there a quite of few US citizens living abroad who have voted?

    The report notes that an important player in the 2016 election will be Democrats Abroad, the organization that represents registered Democrat voters among the estimated 6 million US citizens living in other countries.” These votes have been coming in since March 1. Final results will be in after March 21. I’m sure not all of them will vote since half or more are probably children. We’ll see where Sander’s stands after March 21. It’s not over till all the votes are in, provided there’s no rigged election.

    http://www.rai.ox.ac.uk/news/americas-overseas-voters-how-they-could-decide-us-presidency-2016

    #FeelTheBern

    • rogerbinion

      You posted this 5 hours ago. After Hillary won FL, NC and OH and you are counting on the measly 17 Democrats Abroad delegates to propel Bernie to the front of the line?

      How delusional are you?

      • Warrior KM

        Stay asleep, kid.

        • rogerbinion

          Yes, and on what planet does Bernie win CA by 70%-80% to make up the delegate deficit he’s in? Or PA? or NY? Or CT? or NJ? Or KY? Or WI?

          I mean, really. Is math that difficult for you?

        • Schnee Wolfe

          Thx for the image… #BerniesPushinForMidwayJun7 let them #FeelTheBern

  • Have you thought of this?

    Still concerned about the people that think a Trump Supreme court is the same as a Clinton Supreme Court….. Vote blue no matter what (unless you are dead and don’t care about the children or grandchildren)

    • Cindy

      Vote blue no matter what? After watching a media that is rigged for Hillary – the DNC rigging it for Hillary and since day one both ignoring Bernie is even a candidate – you have some nerve to ask to vote blue no matter what! All the Bernie voters I know will NOT vote for Hillary or support such a crooked system. If she loses it is not the Bernie supporters fault but the blame lays on the DNC and the media. I’m sick of you “vote for Hillary” posters trying to pass blame and guilt if we don’t vote for Hillary. If Hillary wins the nomination she will lose as she wont have the majority of Bernie voters and the only one to blame for that is the corrupt, rigged DNC and media.

      • Carolyn Campbell

        Tired tired tired refrain. Bernie knew exactly what he was doing. He needed the Dem party to get media coverage. He’s a politician like anyone else. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273000-sanders-ran-as-a-democrat-for-more-media-coverage

        • Cindy

          blah, blah, blah

        • Sandra

          The difference is that Bernie Sanders is a politician with a long record of honesty and public service. He’s not going to get us into endless wars. He’s not an interventionist. He’s against fracking and the TPP and always has been. He doesn’t need to “evolve” because he’s always been on the right side in the first place. That’s not your average politician. He’s just about the polar opposite of HRC.

          • rogerbinion

            If was honest, he wouldn’t have become a Democrat just so he could piggyback his campaign on the apparatus that the DNC had already established.

            It’s funny that you say Bernie doesn’t need to evolve. Do you know he was against gay marriage in Vermont when he was the mayor of Burlington?

            Or that he voted FIVE times against the Brady Bill? Or that he voted to indemnify gun manufacturers and sellers against liability suits?

            How is any of this on the ‘right side in the first place?’

          • Sandra

            I actually know more than you do, because you are spinning big time. Anybody who’s very familiar with the election process in the USA knows that the two major parties have rigged things so that it’s pretty much impossible to win unless you ally with one of the two parties. It’s onerous to even try to get on the ballot in all the states, except under the Democratic or Republican banners. And even more difficult to get any airtime in the debates (or to get media to notice you). It’s silly to suggest that it’s anything but smart that Bernie would sign on with the party that he has always caucused with during his time in Congress. He’s very familiar with how Washington works.

            As for gay marriage, he wasn’t the one who pushed DOMA, that was HRC. At one point, he was for civil unions for gay couples, but probably as a matter of practicality, because at that point, it was something that would have been easier to achieve. He has always been for gay rights. Back when he was mayor of Burlington in the 80s, he talked the city council into approving their first gay pride parade there, and he also talked favorably about it in the newspapers. There’s also a speech on YouTube where he dresses down a senator who was less than respectful to gay military folks.

            The Brady Bill vote was more about keeping promises about the waiting periods to the constituents of his state, which has tons of hunters, but almost no gun violence. He tried to get a change in the bill to allow states to do what was suitable for their people. He kept his promise to the people he served. As for the manufacturers, if a guy sticks a steak knife in somebody, should they be able to sue the outfit that made the steak knife? I agree with Bernie that it should only be so if there is negligence. And by the way, this is another area that HRC has flip flopped on. Are you aware that she had entirely different opinions when she ran against Obama, to the point that Obama was calling her “Annie Oakley?” http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/266412-before-attacking-sanders-on-guns-clinton-was-annie

            If you take a look at the story, you’ll see HRC making points in 2008 that sound much in line with Bernie Sanders, because she was defending the hunters in New York back then. Her attacks on Bernie sound pretty disingenuous in light of that.

            Maybe it’s not just Bernie you’re unfamiliar with. You sound as if you lack some knowledge of your own favorite candidate.

          • rogerbinion

            tl; dr.

            You are just ranting to rant.

            But, it doesn’t matter because after the drubbing last night, Bernie is toast.

          • Sandra

            You can repeat your lies as often as you like. That still doesn’t make them true.

          • rogerbinion

            HA! This from the woman who just vomits lies and disinformation like a Soviet agent in the 1950s.

          • Ninja0980

            How dare you.
            How DARE you point out that Bernie isn’t as pure as he and his supporters suggest and is *gasp* still a politician who will puff up his resume.

      • disqah

        She doesn’t care about Sanders supporters she despise them as much as she despise Sanders. She will switch more on the moderate-conservative side to catch votes. since Trump is perceived like a progressive guy and Cruz is a factual hard-establishment-conversative guy.

    • Rosa

      You want people to vote for someone who represented a rapist of a 12 year old and got him off with time served? Don’t come with me she was just doing her job. She knew he was guilty when she took on the case as a favor. Apparently pedophiles have more rights than a child when money talks.

      • Cindy

        And how about Bill on orgy island with underage girls? The thought of anyone voting for a Clinton is mind boggling. Bill and Hillary are the types that you teach your children to stay away from if they lived on your block.
        “I don’t want you going near that house! A dirty old pedophile lives there”
        I mean, seriously! And adding all the rigged crap from this election it just blows one away when they ask you to still vote for her..

      • Carolyn Campbell

        How well will you fare under Trump? Think about it.

        • Cindy

          I think you miss the point. What is there to think about.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            More Clinton bashing. Tiresome. Go ahead, don’t vote for her and see what we get with Frankentrump. Explain that to the next generation.

          • Cindy

            We have nothing to explain – go ask the DNC and media to explain why they rigged the system. You are directing your anger at the wrong people…lol

          • Ninja0980

            How is it rigging the system that Bernie isn’t getting as many votes?

          • Sandra

            The DNC rigged things from the start with fewer debates scheduled at times slated for the lowest possible viewership. They wanted to keep voters in the dark, because they knew that HRC already had nearly 100% name recognition and they were hoping they could railroad her in on that alone. The corporate-owned media cooperated, wanting the corporate-owned candidate. But you knew the didn’t you. You just want to throw shade.

          • rogerbinion

            Why should the DNC support Bernie when has done next to nothing for them his entire career?

            Talk about wanting something for nothing.

          • Carolyn Campbell

            I am quite happy, by the way. My candidate is two million votes ahead of her opponent. The Democrats and others in this country are clearly speaking and voting.

    • Have you thought of this?

      I repeat: people that think a Trump Supreme court is the same as a Clinton Supreme Court….. don’t be so stupid. Vote for Bernie and if necessary, vote for the nominee on the dem ticket. I repeat: people that think a Trump Supreme court is the same as a Clinton Supreme Court….. don’t be stupid.

  • only 50% of the elected delegates will have been determined after everything is counted today. The front half of the #DemocraticPrimary schedule was horribly front loaded with states where Clinton does best, but from here on out, we move on to states where Bernie can win almost everywhere.

    Bernie Sanders Says Do NOT Despair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dxSCliGXZ0

  • Brux

    I am no happier than any of you here about this spanking we/Bernie took today.

    But, the reason Bernie is not harder on Hillary is that he has integrity that most
    of you seem to be missing. He knows Hillary better than any of us, and he is not
    slamming her with any number of things because he knows if he cannot pull off
    a win for the Democratic nomination, it will be a bad thing to kill the chances for
    a Democratic victory.

    I don’t care who you are or what you think you know, this election is critical and
    if Bernie cannot make it, it needs to be a Democrat or any number of reasons,
    but the Supreme Court is probably the biggest. Do you want a court packed so
    that Citizen’s United is canon law forever, or at least the next 20 years?

    Believe me, you do not.

    • Cindy

      I will not vote for Hillary and no amount of these types of posts will change my mind or many other Bernie supporters minds. Hillary is not a democrat – she is part of the problem and it will be the same road we are on now but only worse. There are other ways such as voting out sitting members – but to keep voting in the problem is not the answer. Sometimes it takes a lot of pain to get the results you are looking for down the road and the DNC needs to feel the pain as much as the American people have. Voting Hillary in is sending the message to her, the DNC and the media that they won the game of rigging the election –

      And I am not the only one – everyone I know voting for Bernie will not vote for Hillary. But if you want to – that’s fine…but sick of people telling Bernie supporters we have to vote for her.
      And for the record – every election is “critical”. Hell, we had the house, senate and white house and that sure worked out for us didn’t it? While they had all the seats they did nothing but do the opposite of what they were supposed to do. And you know why? Because they all do what the big donors want them to do – both sides work for the same boss so you are fooling yourself to think otherwise.

      • Brux

        Not every election is critical to the same extent.
        If you want idiot right wing judges on the bench like Scalia and Thomas … don’t add your efforts against the Republicans … but at least have the guts and honesty to admit it, and do not pretend you are a Bernie supporter, because should Bernie drop out that is what he would tell you. So … you are not a Sander’s supporter really.

        • Ninja0980

          I wonder if she and others realize that if a Republican is allow to appoint 2-3 SCOTUS judges that any progressive legislation will be destroyed by them.

          • Brux

            If there is one thing this election cycle has laid bare it is the impossibility to underestimate the cluelessness of the American electorate. I just saw the new Michael Moore movie when it came out a few weeks ago where MM goes to Europe and looks at how life is there. I’d love to think that Americans are smart enough and determined enough to demand what they should get in this country, but I think that is a long way off if ever. It is truly tragic for everyone. Great movie by the way.

          • Sandra

            Don’t give up yet. The Southern states where HRC is strongest are over now and we’re moving to states that are more friendly to Bernie Sanders. Several of the pundits have always said that Bernie’s time would come after March 16, and there are still plenty of delegates in play. It’s hard, because there’s a lot of misinformation in the corporate media, but we need to keep informing people because that is what it will take. Take a look at some of the stuff Robert Reich has written.

          • Brux

            Not giving up, but the momentum has switched, and that is significant.
            There is a big question as to whether Bernie or anyone else, from the Democratic side, should try to knock Hillary out with allegations about her email or other problems. One the one hand a lot of people like Hillary and a lot really do not – and then on the other hand lots of people like Bernie, but the socialist label is an unknown in terms of who will vote for him even if they agree with him. I really want to see a Democrat, but I do not want to see either candidate decimate the other, and in fact I’d like very much to see whatever candidate is nominated take the other as VP as a move towards party consolidation.

          • disqah

            I can’t imagine Sanders’ integrity accepting.

          • Sandra

            If you are watching a football game (or any sport), do you give up if your team is behind at half-time? As some have pointed out, Obama lost 21 states before winning over HRC in 2008 and she didn’t cede the election to him until June. If people had just given up, he wouldn’t be president now. The order that the states are voting in this time, stacked the ones friendliest to HRC first, but there are states still ahead that are friendlier to Bernie. He is still the better choice if we want to be sure and keep the White House out of Republican hands, because 43% or more of voters now are independents and the independents go strongly for Bernie. For many, you’re not going to get them to transfer their vote to HRC. And this story points out something I hadn’t seen–six of the ten cities that have donated the most per capita to Bernie are all in western states that haven’t had a chance to vote yet: http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-worst-states-behind/

          • disqah

            That’s the problem: not all the independants are well informed and think like you. How will they perceive these results as not demotivating to go vote for Sanders? the less turnout on votation, the best for Clinton.

          • Sandra

            That’s why we need to reach out to as many people as possible and let them know what we know. Bernie’s supporters are not giving up, so we’ll just work a bit harder. You can always volunteer, because you can even do things like phone banking from home.

          • disqah

            I’m from Europe and like millions, we supporting Sanders via social medias forums mostly, to reach out ppl that what is good for USA to elect Sanders will be good globally!

          • Spelunker4Plato

            Didn’t he point out that Flint Michigan had problems and lo and behold, people have no water there?

          • scottmercer

            Perhaps we require a devastating war on our own soil with tens of millions murdered, such as took place in Europe, in order for US citizens to wake the eff up? I hope not.

        • Spelunker4Plato

          Liberals are right wing capitalists, bruh. Karl Marx said the workers should be armed and Obama just appointed another gun regulation twerp. With Trump also saying that Citizens United should be ended, we’ve got a swathe of liars and no one as consistent as Sanders.

          I guess it’s fair to say i’m not a Sanders supporter “really”, considering i’m not voting for him strictly along party lines, or because of name recognition. I’m voting for him because he is in line with many (not all) of my worldviews and hasn’t flipflopped.

          …like, you know, the reason you vote for something or someone?

      • Brux

        I’m no fan of the Clintons myself, I never liked Bill, and there are plenty of articles about what a joke he was, but all the rest of the Democrats except for Bernie have been made out of the same Republican-lite cloth. I never thought we’d get this idiot choice of a Bush and a Clinton again, I wish they would all go away. But, it is what it is.

      • rogerbinion

        Hillary has been a registered Democrat since 1968.

        Bernie since 2015.

        And you want to tell me she’s not a Democrat.

        • Sandra

          She’s a third-way Democrat, sometimes called New Democrats. When Bill was going to run for president, it was something that came more fully into play, because the Democrats had decided they wanted to compete with the Republicans for corporate big donor money. Basically the Democrats throw out some crumbs of liberal social policy to the public, but push economic issues and war like Republicans. Bernie Sanders is a Democrat in the mold of FDR, a Democrat who cares about working people, as Democrats used to be before they were corrupted by all the corporate/elite money.

          • Brux

            The point is questioning her party affiliation is a dead end.

        • scottmercer

          Sanders never supported a Republican candidate for President. Hillary was a Goldwater Girl.

          • Ninja0980

            Back when she was a teenager.
            Funny thing, many people change their viewpoints once they get out into the world.

          • rogerbinion

            Did she vote for Goldwater? I’m just curious if you know that fact or not.

            I’ll spare you trying to figure it out, you fool.

            No, she did not. Why? Because she was a 15 year old child helping her father who was a Goldwater supporter.

            If you were so stupid, you’d know that.

    • thamolas

      Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for Hillary. If she wins the primary I cannot, in good conscience, cast a vote for her or any of the Republicans. Whoever the Green Party trots out will get it, even if the system is set up so that this person cannot win. I’ll never vote against my own interests; even if it means that the country will suffer. Perhaps some suffering is what this country needs. Time will tell.

  • Ecliptic_Deimos

    Lol. All of you are delusional.

    • Spelunker4Plato

      pretending 3rd parties don’t matter is delusional.

      • Ninja0980

        Both George W and Obama lost the indie vote in their reelections and still won.

  • Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight.com projects Hillary to win EVERY state from here through California, with one exception – Wisconsin. Hillary = 5 for 5 tonight. Updated delegate count: Hillary, 1069, and Bernie, 745, a HUGE 324 delegates difference, not even counting her well deserved Super delegates. Even before tonight Hillary was projected to win EVERY remaining state other than Wisconsin. The BEST Bernie will do from here on out is to split ANY state’s delegates 50-50. Turn out the lights Bernie – your run is OVER!

    • thamolas

      In other words, you think Trump will be the next POTUS. Good job, tiger.

    • scottmercer

      The perfect Nate Silver, who predicted a 99% possibility of Hillary Clinton winning Michigan?

  • Wow! I’m shocked to see so many Bernie bots quoting 25+ years of Reich Wing LIES and misinformation about Hillary – probably THE most honest candidate in the race. You people eat that crap up, and then regurgitate as if it has somehow become true. Meanwhile, Bernie turns his back with a sly smile, while Karl Rove spends MILLIONS attacking Hillary on Bernie’s behalf. You people should change your sources of propaganda.

    • MiaEli15

      Sanders doesn’t even thanks his supporters for their efforts in states he loses! It’s absolutely pathetic that these Berniebots are so obsessed with him.

      • Ninja0980

        It’s also pathetic that they think letting the country crash and burn will suddenly make people rush to support Bernie’s ideas.
        Using that logic, KS, OK and other places would have turned Blue long ago.

      • Warrior KM

        He always thanks us. And how would you know anything when you’ve made it obvious that you don’t follow him? Additionally, we are all in it together, so we also thank one another for being on the right side of history.

        • Schnee Wolfe

          Thank you Bro/Sis… #BerniePushinForMidwayJun7

      • scottmercer

        There are no Berniebots.

    • veniora
      • Warrior KM

        hillarybots are like Trumpers. They are allergic to #FACTS.

    • scottmercer

      We attack Hillary from the left based on her positions coddling Wall Street and the prison industrial complex, and being a warmonger that supported the murder of hundreds of thousands of poor brown people. Right wing assholes attack her because her husband got some strange and she fired some White House staffers. Big difference.

  • MiaEli15

    There’s got to be something psychologically wrong with these Berniebots. They’re obsessed with Sanders. It’s almost as if he’s actually accomplished much in his 25 plus years in Congress! The guy has drafted six bills and two of them were naming post offices! He’s not your messiah. He’s an old, bitter, white male, mostly ineffectual senator. Move on from him!

    • Sandra

      Funny. You are the one who is sounding old and bitter. Bernie Sanders actually has quite a sense of humor.

      And we know for sure that you are know zero about Bernie Sanders, because Bernie definitely accomplished more than most politicians. He remade Burlington into a most livable city and won a national award for mayors. Then in the House, he became know as the “Amendment King” because he was able to accomplish his goal by improving bills with amendments. He continued this in the Senate and has chaired committees, including budget and veterans affairs. In 2014, when Republicans were saying “no” to everything, Bernie was able to negotiate a $16.3 billion bill with Republicans for veterans healthcare.

      Bernie Sanders also was a founder of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He has the highest favorability rating of anybody of either party in the Senate. His constituents have voted him back in for decades and he gets more than 70% of the vote, conservatives as well as liberals, so obviously they think he’s doing a great job.

      As for being obsessed, all we’re obsessed with is changing politics so it works for the broader population again. That means rejecting all the corporate-bought politicians and only voting for those who will bring real change. Bernie is just the start. There’s a slate of people he inspired to run for Congress and we’ve been supporting them too. It will take more than one man to change the system, but that’s okay, because we are in it for the long haul.

    • archie

      Yup, Bernie supporters are definitely obsessed. Let me give an example. I am an Indian living in India so US election should have 0 impact for me. I was following US elections as academic interest, but after watching Bernie vids, I have become his supporter, when I am not even from the same nation! LOL

      So why does a 74 old man inspires such loyalty/faith/obsession among the youth ?

      • scottmercer

        Because it’s not about identity politics. He’s taking the positions on political issues that appeal to a lot of voters. End of sentence.

      • Mamata

        Because 1. Young ppl are more likely to vote Democrat anyways 2. Somehow no powerful Democrat challenged Hillary from within the party- so Bernie who is actually not even a Democrat is the natural choice for young people. 3. A whole generation of Americans is facing the prospect of being poorer than their own parents. At this time it is comforting to have a leader who promises free college and a living wage.

    • Spelunker4Plato

      “bitter white male”

      found the feminazi. go on and expose the pussy pass for what it is.

    • nakedankles

      We are “obsessed” with averting the disaster that will undoubtedly happen if nothing changes (Hillary) or if things get worse (Trump). We are running out of time for peaceful effective reform – what happens when we go to war with Iran because it benefits friends of the Clintons and Trump? What happens when women throughout the south are dying because they can’t get healthcare? What will we do with the hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people fleeing violence in South America that we have influenced and strengthened? What about a generation of people buried in debt with little hope of decent earnings, of buying a car or a home? What about our crumbling schools, bridges, roads? I know it’s going to be hard, but you should take your head out of your ass and realize that if we don’t make change, it will make itself.

    • scottmercer

      Wrong. He was actually known as the “Amendment King.” Getting stuff done. Also, he has experience in elected executive office. Clinton has none. She had eight years in the Senate only as far as elected positions. Bernie had eight years as mayor, 20 years in the house and 8 years in the Senate.

      • kimyo

        Getting stuff done.

        what, in your view, are the top three sanders accomplishments during his 28 years as a congressman/senator?

  • disqah

    Since the Clintons own so many debts to Trump, if she wins the GE, she will have to offer him the Vice-Presidency. Great, we have seen worst from her. “Every vote matters, keep voting for Sanders”!

  • RIbluebird

    Don’t believe all you see and hear. Watched morning joe mentioned Bernie once. Did not say Bernie gave Hillary a run for her money in 2 states. She and her husband have never done anything for the NDN’s of this country. They love Bernie and the west coast states are very liberal. Think the game is just beginning. Also get rid of those superdelgates.

  • tgbobbi

    People, let’s break it down please.

    Both candidates have been a part of Washington for over 25 years each.
    One candidate is worth $300K to $700K – the other is worth $125M – $150M.
    One candidate will have upwards of 10M to 20M, $29 donations by the general election – the other the most million dollar donations.
    One candidate’s motto is “We the People” – the other’s is “She’s for Us”.

    Now, ask yourself this question: Which candidate will have our interests at heart?

  • Okey Van Wy

    I joined the Democratic Party to vote for Bernie Sanders . After the general election I am switching back to independent . I think America should have a new party call the social Democratic Party . I guess the Republican Party should consider splitting itself in two as well. Bernie or bust!!

  • kingelvis

    It’s not about ‘bad blood’ in the long contest between Hill and Bernie. It’s the ‘hater’ dynamic: to wit, it’s much harder to get people to *prevent* something from happening rather than to make something happen. Very often that is the Dem dynamic (We can’t allow Nixon, GW Bush to get this! Think of the Supreme Court! etc). Trump people are voting FOR something, not against it. Trump’s co opted the economic nationalism/populism argument so Hill’s argument is only “prevent Trump from happening” and this kind of superego/conscience dynamic is lucky to drag perennial voters out of bed. It does not bring new voters in, which is where all the action is in US elections and what Trump is doing in spades. This is why I supported Bernie – the Sanders dynamic is voting FOR something good than voting against something bad. It at least has the possibility of bringing more voters in – politics of ‘negation’ tends to suppress participation, not expand it.

    • scottmercer

      Right. Sanders bringing in more voters than anyone imagined he could with positivity and avoiding personal attacks.

  • tgbobbi

    Now, both candidates have been a part of Washington for over 25 years each.

    One candidate is worth $300K to $700K – the other is worth $125M – $150M.
    One candidate will have upwards of 10M to 20M, $29 donations by the general election – the other the most million dollar donations.
    One candidate’s motto is “We the People” – the other’s is “She’s for Us”.

    Now, ask yourself this question: Which candidate will have our interests at heart?

  • James Brooks

    Clinton has taken millions in donations from big business… Bernie has not taken one cent from big business. End of discussion

  • Schnee Wolfe

    PUSHIN’ OUT FOR MIDWAY DAY!!! June 7th

  • stanmrak

    Hillary will do for her fellow women as much as Barack Obama did for his fellow muslims – oops, i mean african-americans. Wait! What exactly did Obama do for blacks?

    • mdb

      You don’t remember?…he was the “food stamp” President. At least that was the idiocy proffered by Mr. Gingrich at the time.

  • scottmercer

    Here’s my own little data mining experiment. Clinton wins states where internet access is limited. Bernie Sanders wins states where internet access is higher. Clinton’s biggest blowout came in Mississipii, where 41% of residents have NO internet access. Those voters with no internet acccess have to rely on Old Media and the Gatekeepers for their news and information. In a 20th century information landscape, they vote for the 20th century candidate. In a 21st century information landscape, more people vote for Bernie Sanders. Check out the stats. This theory holds up, with a few outliers. http://www.governing.com/gov-data/internet-usage-by-state.html

  • oh yea…and Americans will soon wipe with leave … and not tp….

  • It’s not that Bernie can’t win going forward, it’s that he can’t win by the margins needed. He has to crush Clinton by Vermont levels going forward, not eek by in Michigan style. And if there was a happy hunting ground for Bernie it should have been the Rust Belt states of Ohio and Illinois. But it did not happen for him there, in places that should have been very receptive to his economic message against Wall Street, NAFTA, CAFTA, TPP, ect. Once again his outreach to people of color went exactly nowhere and Bernie support ended up being too white.

    And it that lack of a rainbow coalition that spells major danger if Bernie’s California Dreams are to come true. Kids, it is going to be a cruel summer for Bernie if all he brings is his pasty white Bernie Bros to the Golden State. 15% among AA is going to get you laughed out of the state in places like Watts and Oakland. Bernie might be a heart throb in Palo Alto but he need to get the message out to East San Jose if he going to have a chance. Is he making any impact in places like Hayward, Milpitas, or Daley City? How is he doing in the big Purple of San Diego? Do they heart him in the Hillcrest? How is getting along in Barrio Logan? What about about Valley or Orange County? Is that lovely patch of smog wrapped suburbia a happier hunting ground? Perhaps the Central Valley or up North were the Redwoods Grow? There is a lot of arrogance going around in Bernie land about how CA is theirs for the taking but I’m not seeing any messaging that is really targeting CA specific cohorts. It’s a state where you got to get granular and spend buckets of money on targeted ads. How’s that Vietnamese outreach going Bernie Bros? Pinoys for Bernie, is that a thing? Kids, the locals already have signs out. It’s on.

    • Sandra

      The arrogance is among the HRC folks who think they have any group all caged up so they can’t escape and vote however they want. The firewall is crumbling, so hopefully it goes down soon. People are finding out who is really on their side.

      • M.

        Sandra,

        I hate to break it to you, but as a black voter.. Sanders supporters condescending BS and illogical nonsense and the whole bernie or bust type crap has proven you people don’t care about these issues, you’re a Bernie fan, nothing more nothing less… that’s why he’s losing the black vote. HRC isn’t acting like she has any group “caged up” But when people talk about criminal justice reform, and both Sanders and Hillary have similar stances and Sanders people say either vote for Sanders or “who cares.. let Trump win” (who opposes every minority basically) that basically has killed any chance Sanders has to win this election because it comes off as Sanders caring about the black vote becuase he.. needs it. Not because he and his supports care about the issues.

        • Ninja0980

          Not only that but the implication that the blacks in the South are “stupid” and their votes shouldn’t matter because the South will be going for Republicans anyway.
          Bernie made no effort to reach out to voters in the South instead focusing on whiter states and is now being made to pay for it.

  • AvalS

    Seriously doubt your projection that Sanders will overtake Mrs. Clinton.

  • K Fernstrom

    Fortunately Wisconsin does not require party affiliation to vote in the primary. This year it is on April 5, 2016 and I will be there. Voting for Bernie.

  • SMB1128

    Ha Ha. This must be what the Sanders people are telling themselves to sleep at night. The margins stated above are way too low for Bernie to be able to win given REALITY. He needs a 58% Bernie to 42% Hillary for EVERY upcoming state to win enough delegates to overcome Clinton. It’s just very improbable.

  • Gregory J. Gonzales

    The meme is Philosiraptor. Come on!

    Good article, though. Well-thought-out predictions, indeed.

  • Omnis Odium

    Fuck democracy! Hurry up and drop out so we can start compromising with the republicans and start putting corporate welfare before the interests of the people! Hurry up and drop out so we can know the TPP is safe and so we can start working on expanding our neoliberal exploitation across the Pacific.

  • Mike Morrissey

    In most scenarios where Sanders wins, he doesn’t retake the lead until June 7, when five states including California cast their ballots.” RETAKE it? Sanders has never HAD the lead, has he?

  • M.

    hahahahhahahahahah this article is a joke

  • Maryruth Karls

    Hysterical!

  • disqah

    nFirst of all there’s NO guarantee Trump’ll be the republican nominee. That means the startegy of Clinton’s with new ads appealing to Trump’s danger in order to make the many potential voters switch their vote from Sanders must be fight. She did not win the 5 last states- it’s a tie in Missouri and just a gain of 1 more delegate in Illinois. Clinton KNOWS she can be ending up NOT BE the democrat candidate and she knows SANDERS IN ALL THE POLLS IS GIVEN WINNER AGAINST TRUMP!!!

    “Keep voting for Sanders on issues that really matters”!

  • Serious Starsider

    I might even just go ahead and vote for Trump if they knock out Sanders. That way I can help to give America and the DP exactly what they deserve.

  • Rachel Lever

    I rather thought that Michigan was going to be the turn-around point, as I think others did too, so 15 March was a real shocker. On what grounds do you have 15th March as the turnaround? I can see the uses of keeping up morale, but is optimism at this point realistic?

  • Melissa .C

    @rogerbinion:disqus You said you live in an oligarchy but the US is not.. so, curious where is it you abide? and people don’t waste anymore time on his comments or responses. Classic Narcissist always thinking his opinion is the only correct one, says he hasn’t put any Bernie supporters down but then does and says because of Sandra’s rant.. Blah blah blah. You need to become a government official because you sure do sound like a majority of them

    • kimyo

      Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an “Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery”

      CARTER: It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors and U.S. senators and congress members.

  • If the U.S. of A. is such a democratic country why does it refuse to allow election monitoring by other countries…? Something to hide…?