3 minutes of video: chemtrails vs contrails: we won’t know what we’re being sprayed with until .01% arrests. Had enough of being treated sub-human, or need more pain?

hat tip: Zen Gardner

Updated article: 34-minute video shows chemtrail emissions from specific sprayers, refuting all arguments of engine/environmental effects; 110-minute video explains why we’re sprayed like bugs. Had enough to demand arrests?

Important context: The comments below are populated in the hundreds by “Thor” and “Colophon” with claims that visual effects of “trails” are only engine and environmental, and not the spraying of mysterious chemicals. The above new article refutes these claims because it shows close film evidence of specific sprayers. I invited Thor and Colophon to comment upon that article. Both have ignored repeated invitations, with Thor ignoring every communication. The latest and last comment of mine to Thor (May 21, and below among the hundreds of comments), along with the new video:

Thor: how dare you call yourself honest when I, the author of the article you comment ~50 times upon, ask simple and direct questions to you THAT YOU IGNORE, what ten times my asking and two e-mails now?

What would reasonable people conclude from your evasions of the article’s author, Thor? It would seem you are a propagandist shilling for purposes to mislead readers. You certainly are not interested in honest conversation.

This is what Thor REFUSES to address, and I repeat:

Do you see any government crimes requiring arrests, such as the article’s documented unlawful and lie-started Wars of Aggression?

In this article now regarding better video of spraying: What do you see in the 34-minute video at these time marks? This is what I see:

10:21: one wing nozzle spraying chemicals.

13:30: one wing large nozzle spraying chemicals.

14:02: two tail arrays of nozzles (four per tail side) spraying chemicals.

14:16: one nozzle on each side of the cabin spraying chemicals.

14:20: two wing nozzles spraying chemicals.

25:30: two wing nozzles spraying chemicals.

34-minute video from NWOResistance HereAndNow with the above time-marks with that evidence:

I see chemtrails almost every day where I live in the NorCal Bay Area. All one has to do is look up; they are obvious. I see two already early this morning. Many of us fly often; I have never ever ever ever ever seen any persisting and expanding “cloud” from any aircraft I’ve been on over hundreds of flights over 50 years. If these “clouds” are natural, then we should see them everyday and at all times. We don’t, of course, because it is a spray from the aircraft the following film and photographic evidence show.

Have you looked up to see yet?

These leaked photos show the inside of these spray planes (additional pics here).

This 2-minute video from GeoEngineering Watch irrefutably shows spraying:

This 1-minute video compares condensation, a “contrail,” with a chemtrail:

A high-bypass turbofan jet engine can rapidly condense air-moisture, but this must dissipate quickly because the same air conditions of diffused moisture the jet entered will act upon the contrail to disperse and disappear the water vapor.

Want to Know’s excellent summary of chemtrails, a history of human experimentation, and current medical research directly implicating chemtrails with human illness raises an obvious citizen response:

Demand arrests to lawfully stop this spraying, with full criminal investigation for factual discovery of what we’re being sprayed with and why.

Multiple and independent professional chemical composition analyses of air and water samples show increased aluminum, barium, and strontium with likely use of weather modification. This evidence along with severe lack of California rainfall with billions in damages require arrests to stop this likely connection and economic damages.

Chemtrails are 1 of ~100 crucial areas that demand arrests of our .01% “leaders” for obvious crimes centering in war and money. Perhaps the easiest crimes to understand are those for lie-started and unlawful Wars of Aggression; ridiculous in Emperor’s New Clothes obvious facts easy to document and prove:

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Note: I make all factual assertions as a National Board Certified Teacher of US Government, Economics, and History, with all economics factual claims receiving zero refutation since I began writing in 2008 among Advanced Placement Macroeconomics teachers on our discussion board, public audiences of these articles, and international conferences. I invite readers to empower their civic voices with the strongest comprehensive facts most important to building a brighter future. I challenge professionals, academics, and citizens to add their voices for the benefit of all Earth’s inhabitants.

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Carl Herman is a National Board Certified Teacher of US Government, Economics, and History; also credentialed in Mathematics. He worked with both US political parties over 18 years and two UN Summits with the citizen’s lobby, RESULTS, for US domestic and foreign policy to end poverty. He can be reached at Carl_Herman@post.harvard.edu

Note: Examiner.com has blocked public access to my articles on their site (and from other whistleblowers), so some links in my previous work are blocked. If you’d like to search for those articles other sites may have republished, use words from the article title within the blocked link. Or, go to http://archive.org/web/, paste the expired link into the box, click “Browse history,” then click onto the screenshots of that page for each time it was screen-shot and uploaded to webarchive. I’ll update as “hobby time” allows; including my earliest work from 2009 to 2011 (blocked author pages: here, here).

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  • billjalloutdoor

    If I wanted to read this infowars crap I’d go to infowars. Please make it stop.

    • Carl_Herman

      Respond to the evidence on the video showing nozzles dispersing “clouds” all along the wings, please.

      Then research modern high-bypass turbofan jet engines and tell us what you find.

      Then please report on your personal experience of flying if you’ve ever seen these.

      If you say it’s crap, cite your research to back your claims. That’s the kind of communication you’re asking for, so deliver.

      • Carl_Herman

        And, dear readers, denial is the first move among common liars and criminals. They will never discuss the evidence, because they can’t.

        Denial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

        • nomadfiles

          basic knowledge 101

  • Mike the SHkike

    What is the supreme court nominees perspective on the following issues;
    -chemtrails
    -911
    -war crimes[executive authority to murder]
    -Okla city bombing
    -organic food+ ways of life[privately owned+ controlled,patented, genes and DNA/RNA]
    -military industrial complex control of federal government
    -Bush Mafia,Cheney,Neocon imbedded terror cells in Fed gov and state and local Gov.
    -What religious faith are you?
    -Are you an Israeli US dual citizen?
    -How many mossad agents do you know and chat with regularly?
    -Is it legal to monitor everyone continuously in order to TAX them for every[unauthorized] orgasm?

    • Curious George

      …or more ‘on topic’,
      Does Merrick understand
      ‘natural law’…ecology etc.?
      If Obama was charged with crimes against humanity
      would Merrick want to consider the case?
      …or would there be a hidden conflict of ‘quid pro quo’ ?

  • ckozzy

    Where the planes the same size?
    Where the plane at the same altitude?
    Is there not a single whistle blower out of hundreds of thousand airport personnel and pilots?

    This is infowars crap.

    • Carl_Herman

      ckozzy: you’re the one full of crap because the video shows chemical dispersants from nozzles all along the wings. Respond to that evidence, please.

      You’re also full of crap because you’ve done zero research regarding modern turbo fan jet engines that do not produce persistent vapor trails. Do your homework and get back to us on your findings, please.

      Finally, you’re full of crap because anyone who flies can confirm they’ve never ever ever ever seen such a “cloud” produced from an airplane (unless they’re full of crap). But go ahead, lie to us and say that you’ve seen them.

      ckozzy: Bro, the time of choice is closing for you to have the world you care enough to work for.

      Choose carefully. You can fool some humans, bro, but you can’t fool those who manage true justice.

      Your call and your consequences.

      • ckozzy

        Nobody other than my Dad and Nephew, my dad has been a pilot for over 40 years and my nephew who attended the air force academy and has flown multiple types of planes. I think I will believe them over some idiot who uses words like bro and is convinced the world is coming to an end.

        Bro pull your head from your hole.

        • Carl_Herman

          Cite your evidence other than your “word,” bro.

          And evidence is documented and discussed with people serious to get to the facts rather than what you do with insults and unsubstantiated testimony.

          And, bro, we all notice: you refuse to address the evidence within the article.

          See, bro, this is how it works among professionals: I provided evidence, then if you somehow find it faulty there’s a process called “refutation.” That means you view and then discuss the evidence to cite how it is somehow incomplete and/or factually inaccurate.

          Will you do that for us, bro? Or is your discussion only within the bounds of your language of “crap,” “hole,” and “idiot”?

          • nomadfiles

            Some people cannot be convinced, Carl. Even if you show them video of planes shutting on and off aerosol spray, as I have, it is not evidence to them. This I find weirder than the chemtrail spray itself. As if people have been programmed not to see. Geoengineered perception. Geoengineered minds.

          • Carl_Herman

            And some people are just paid shills, too.

          • nomadfiles

            Aye, matey.

          • Colophon

            Or people who understand science. There are still some of us in the world, despite the best efforts of the dumbed-down education system.

          • Carl_Herman

            Then, Colophon, refute the evidence of this article point-by-point. You want science? Then start exercising your burden of proof to SHOW it.

          • Colophon

            Sure. How long have you got?

            First point: “I have never ever ever ever ever seen any persisting and expanding “cloud” from any aircraft I’ve been on over hundreds of flights over 50 years”
            Clearly the writer hasn’t been looking. If you sit near the back of a plane then you can often see the contrail start to form. When the conditions are right for persistent contrails then you can often see the shadow of your own plane’s contrail stretching back for many miles. Similarly you can watch persistent contrails forming overhead from commercial flights any day that conditions allow.

            Which brings me to point two: “If these “clouds” are natural, then we should see them everyday and at all times. ”

            Again, nonsense which shows that the writer doesn’t understand when and why persistent contrails form. They form when the air is ice supersaturated, ie relative humidity is over 100% with respect to an ice surface. Those conditions don’t occur every day, which is why we don’t see persistent contrails every day. If you check the 300mb RH forecasts then it is possible to predict “chemtrails” with a good degree of accuracy.

            Point three: “These leaked photos show the inside of these spray planes.”

            No they don’t. They are a compilation of photos that have mostly been doing the rounds on the Internet for ages claiming to show “chemtrail planes”. In actual fact they show a variety of mundane things such as ballast barrels, firefighting equipment, air sampling planes, icing test equipment, cloud-seeding flares, mosquito spraying and ferry fuel tanks. Plus a photo of a Thomson Airways 757 making vortices on approach to Gatwick, for good measure.

            To be continued…

          • Colophon

            Sure. How long have you got?

            First point: “I have never ever ever ever ever seen any persisting and expanding “cloud” from any aircraft I’ve been on over hundreds of flights over 50 years”
            Clearly the writer hasn’t been looking. If you sit near the back of a plane then you can often see the contrail start to form. When the conditions are right for persistent contrails then you can often see the shadow of your own plane’s contrail stretching back for many miles. Similarly you can watch persistent contrails forming overhead from commercial flights any day that conditions allow.

            Which brings me to point two: “If these “clouds” are natural, then we should see them everyday and at all times. ”

            Again, nonsense which shows that the writer doesn’t understand when and why persistent contrails form. They form when the air is ice supersaturated, ie relative humidity is over 100% with respect to an ice surface. Those conditions don’t occur every day, which is why we don’t see persistent contrails every day. If you check the 300mb RH forecasts then it is possible to predict “chemtrails” with a good degree of accuracy.

            Point three: “These leaked photos show the inside of these spray planes.”

            No they don’t. They are a compilation of photos that have mostly been doing the rounds on the Internet for ages claiming to show “chemtrail planes”. In actual fact they show a variety of mundane things such as ballast barrels, firefighting equipment, air sampling planes, icing test equipment, cloud-seeding flares, mosquito spraying and ferry fuel tanks. Plus a photo of a Thomson Airways 757 making vortices on approach to Gatwick, for good measure.

            To be continued…

          • Carl_Herman

            1. Nope. I do pay attention, and these chemtrails are recent in the human experience. Please, tell us you remember seeing them as a child. Go ahead.

            2. Show your documentation, please. And again, these are recent.

            3. Go photo by photo and explain the equipment if you want to claim this.

          • Colophon

            1. If by chemtrails you mean “trails behind planes that persist and spread into clouds” then they are not a recent thing, except in the sense that aircraft are a relatively recent invention in history. They were explained perfectly well by Brewer in Weather, June 1946: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.1477-8696.1946.tb00024.x/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+unavailable+on+Saturday+14th+May+11%3A00-14%3A00+BST+%2F+06%3A00-09%3A00+EDT+%2F+18%3A00-21%3A00+SGT+for+essential+maintenance.Apologies+for+the+inconvenience.

            I have lived in the same town since the 1970s and persistent contrails have always been around. They have increased in the past 15 years or so, thanks to deregulation and the growth of the budget airline industry.

            2. Again, why do you shift the burden of proof away from the people making the absurd claims? If they claim these are chemtrail planes, shouldn’t they prove it? It’s easy to search for the original images. Why don’t you do it and prove for yourself that they are lying? I think it’s because you want to believe.

            First image: ballast barrels from the 747-8 as posted on Wired in 2010:
            http://www.wired.com/2010/02/peek-inside-boeing-747-8/

            Second image: ballast barrels on the 777-240LR, taken from http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-777-240-LR/0855967/L/

            Just lost a lot of post so splitting it here….

          • Colophon

            Sorry I missed point 2. Actually that is addressed in the Brewer paper, which makes the point that ice supersaturation is required. If you want it to be more quantified then go to Appleman’s paper from 1953. The chart he came up with is still valid today as a good approximation for when contrails will and will not form: http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/resources-activities-appleman_student.php

            This is over 60 years old so again to claim they are a recent phenomenon is groundless. See also numerous weather books from the 1950s and 1960s, for instance “Clouds and Weather” by RK Pilsbury. “Everyone has noticed the long, thin, white trails left by highflying aircraft. They sometimes disappear quickly, but on other occasions they persist for a long time, spread out and become a type of cirrus or altocumulus cloud”.

            From 1969, and exactly as I remember. Of course there were far fewer planes in the sky back then to cloud it out like we have to put up with today.

          • Colophon

            Back to those photos. Quite a few of them are on this page with explanations of what they are, along with plenty more they didn’t think of bunging on there. http://truthcdm.com/chem-trail-plane-interior-ballast-barrels/#sthash.jUhyWWsa.dpbs

            One they didn’t pick up was this device which is used to spray water onto a following plane to test icing on wings etc. Here it is fitted to a USAF Stratotanker: http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA%20-%20Air%20Force/Boeing%20NKC-135A%20Stratotanker%20(717-100)/0351902/L/&width=667&height=1012&sok=&photo_nr=3&prev_id=0949608&next_id=0069887

            So you see, once you start researching, the whole chemtrail hoax is quickly shown to be built on a whole pack of lies.

          • Carl_Herman

            Ok, so perhaps some photos are documented as test equipment (although this should be verified by experts in that field). This does not make “the whole chemtrail hoax… shown to be built on a whole pack of lies.” This is an obvious fallacy.

          • Thor

            “Please, tell us you remember seeing them as a child. Go ahead.”

            Lots of people do…although there were not nearly as many planes in the sky “back then” If “chemtrails” are recent how do you explain photos dating back decades? This one is from 1983:

            http://www.1000plus.com/Imagic/8301sund.htm

            how do you explain all these photos:

            https://www.metabunk.org/pre-1995-persistent-contrail-archive.t487/

          • Colophon

            Point four: “This 2-minute video from GeoEngineering Watch irrefutably shows spraying”

            No it doesn’t. This video was stolen off YouTube where it was originally posted by Douglas Huang. It shows aerodynamic contrails from an EVA Air flight out of Taiwan in 2012. The exact flight pictured is BR28, a Boeing 777, on Sept 28 2012. The video was shot from a China Airlines 747 which was following it. Mr Huang filed a takedown notice against Geoengineeringwatch for ripping off his video, but YouTube (and Dane Wigington) ignored him. Note also how the video thumbnail has the colours reversed to make the contrail look black and scary. Typical chemtrail disinformation.

          • Colophon

            Point four: “This 2-minute video from GeoEngineering Watch irrefutably shows spraying”

            No it doesn’t. This video was stolen off YouTube where it was originally posted by Douglas Huang. It shows aerodynamic contrails from an EVA Air flight out of Taiwan in 2012. The exact flight pictured is BR28, a Boeing 777, on Sept 28 2012. The video was shot from a China Airlines 747 which was following it. Mr Huang filed a takedown notice against Geoengineeringwatch for ripping off his video, but YouTube (and Dane Wigington) ignored him. Note also how the video thumbnail has the colours reversed to make the contrail look black and scary. Typical chemtrail disinformation.

          • Carl_Herman

            4. Documentation, please. And then explain to us how the sprays turn on and then off.

          • Colophon

            Funny how your burden of proof works isn’t it? Chemtrail believers get to post anything with no documentation and you believe it, but any rational person has to give chapter and verse. The original video (now removed) was at https://youtu.be/2UDPnNkUHUw uploaded on October 5 2012, entitled “高空凝結尾”, which is Chinese for ‘High-altitude contrails’. You can confirm the relative positions of the flights CAL004 (filming plane) and BR28 (contrailing plane) on Sept 28 2012 using Planefinder. Both planes were flying from Taipei to San Francisco.

            These contrails are aerodynamic ones. You can see that they are coming from the entire wing surface rather than from the engines or any nozzles. They are entirely dependent on humidity and pressure fluctuations, so they stop and start seemingly at random. This is totally normal behaviour for aerodynamic contrails, as you will see if you search for videos of them.

          • nomadfiles

            I don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to you. You’re an obvious shill… Oh, yeah. It’s for others who read this. But the simplest way to refute your claims that these are just contrails is to point to numerous instances of trails starting and stopping. I’ve seen this many times. Normal contrails don’t start and stop. And planes leaving contrails do not fly int he same sky as planes that don’t. I have said this elsewhere on this thread. So if you want to prove your point, explain these observed phenomena “scientifically”.

          • Colophon

            Contrails are clouds. Contrails start and stop for the exact same reason that ordinary clouds have gaps in them. Because the air is not uniform in temperature and humidity. It is really very simple!

            Let’s turn it around: let’s assume they were actually spraying something. Why would they randomly start and stop the trail? It would be horribly inefficient and serve no purpose.

          • nomadfiles

            “Contrails are clouds. Contrails start and stop for the exact same reason that ordinary clouds have gaps”
            this is absolute nonsense
            you are intent upon ignoring the evidence.

            shill

          • Thor

            why dont normal contrail start and stop? why do clouds start and stop? why is there a cloud in spot but not another? Is the atmosphere uniform? static?

            Its take certain temp ~-40 below- for a contrail to form….what happens if a plane that is leaving a contrail at 40,000 feet then descends to 38K feet into slightly warmer air above -40? what does logic and science tell you?

          • nomadfiles

            it tells me you are grasping for straws

          • Thor

            have you abandon logic?

            I have the facts on my side. You have fear and ignorance.

            Good luck with that.

          • nomadfiles

            logic? don’t sully the term

          • Thor

            Clealry its a religion for you…logic has no place in your zealotry.

          • nomadfiles

            give it up, shill

          • Carl_Herman

            You seem to make two arguments: persistent contrails from engines, now you say they occur over the entire wing. You document neither claim, we notice.

          • Colophon

            They are different types of contrails if you bothered to read the documentation I provided, Brewer (Weather, June 1946), you would find both types documented in fairly simple layman’s language.

            Here is the link: click “Get PDF” to read the whole article. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.1477-8696.1946.tb00024.x/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+unavailable+on+Saturday+14th+May+11%3A00-14%3A00+BST+%2F+06%3A00-09%3A00+EDT+%2F+18%3A00-21%3A00+SGT+for+essential+maintenance.Apologies+for+the+inconvenience.

          • Colophon

            Point five: “This 1-minute video compares condensation, a “contrail,” with a chemtrail”

            No it doesn’t. It compares a persistent contrail with a non-persistent contrail. Clearly the two planes are at different altitudes: if they were at the same altitude then they would not be permitted to fly so close together horizontally due to vertical separation minimum rules. Again, this shows that the writer does not understand that contrail persistence is entirely dependent on the relative humidity, which can vary hugely within just a few hundred vertical feet. This is easily verified by checking atmospheric soundings.

            Point six: “A high-bypass turbofan jet engine can rapidly condense air-moisture, but this must dissipate quickly because the same air conditions of diffused moisture the jet entered will act upon the contrail to disperse and disappear the water vapor.”

            Whoever wrote this doesn’t understand why contrails form. The exhaust contrail forms because jet engines burn jet fuel! Each ton of jet fuel burned produces about 1.37 tonnes of water (this is easily verified by balancing the equation for combustion of kerosene, which can be approximated as a C12 alkane:
            2 C12H26 + 37 O2 => 24 CO2 + 26 H2O).

            The water vapour will push the local humidity above liquid saturation, condense and then freeze almost immediately. One of two things will then happen: the ice will gradually sublimate (if RHi is less than 100%) or it will grow by depositor of water vapour from the surrounding atmosphere (if RHi is greater than 100%). This is the sole difference between a persistent and a non-persistent contrail. One grows into a cirrus cloud, one sublimates away to nothing.

          • Carl_Herman

            5. Again, chemtrails are recent, contrails are historic.

            6. Again, chemtrails are recent, contrails are historic. And please provide documentation of your claim for this point.

          • Colophon

            Repeating lies doesn’t make them true. Again, claiming that behaviour of “chemtrails” is somehow different from the historic behaviour of contrails goes against all known science, film and photographic evidence. Contrails have always persisted under ice-suoersaturated conditions ever since contrails first existed. We can still use the same Appleman charts developed in the 1950s to predict contrail formation today, with only minor adjustments to the contrail factor given that modern engines are so much more efficient (and hence have cooler exhaust).

            And as for point six, you want me to “document” the fact that jet fuel is made of kerosene? What do you think it’s made of? The rest of my point is a simple stoichiometric equation that a 13-year-old would be expected to balance in school science class. If you think it is wrong then YOU have to prove known science wrong. That’s the way burden of proof works. The person making the claim that goes against accepted wisdom has to prove it. Accepted science says burning jet fuel makes water. If you think carbon plus hydrogen plus oxygen should yield something other than carbon dioxide plus water, as every chemist in the land will tell you it does, then YOU have to tell us why it doesn’t.

            Now, it is 5am and I have wasted far too much time trying to educate the uneducable. Here’s where you call me a shill because I proved your silly theory wrong. Goodnight, don’t let the scary clouds bite.

          • Carl_Herman

            You fail to provide documentation, then resort to a strawman argument. Last time: document how you claim that high-bypass turbofan engines produce what you call “persistent contrails.”

            If you wish to provide historical documentation, then do so along with the historical use of water-cooled engines that did indeed produce large vapor trails.

          • Colophon

            You really do expect a lot of hand-holding don’t you? Read the Schumann study which compares the contrail factor for high- and low-bypass engines.

            http://elib.dlr.de/9247/1/aerscitech-2000.pdf

            As you will see, the contrail factor for high-bypass engines is typically about 50% higher than in low-bypass engines, due to the higher propulsion efficiency. Higher efficiency means more energy is extracted from the combustion, resulting in a cooler exhaust stream. A cooler exhaust stream will produce contrails at higher ambient temperatures. QED.

          • Colophon

            Point seven, those soil and water tests that supposedly show elevated levels of metals. Without fail, they never show a control! We are meant to assume that metals “shouldn’t be in the soil”, because that is what the chemtrailers tell us, but if you read the very paper that the Activistlost article quotes it says “alumina… is ubiquitous in the terrestrial biosphere”! And indeed it is.

            Just the other day I saw a rainwater test by Patrick Roddie in California which showed 160 micrograms per litre of aluminium in rainwater. That’s 0.16 parts per million! And he claimed this was some kind of evidence. Consider that soil in the continental US averages 7.1% aluminium (or 71,000 parts per million), and in California often 10% or more. This suggests that the rainwater was contaminated with maybe 1 or 2 parts per million of ordinary dirt – hardly surprising considering it was collected in open containers on a rooftop!

            Then we see Francis Mangels with his soil showing 1.3% and 1.6% aluminium – in fact very much below average! Why are we meant to believe this is a bad thing? Because he says so!

            The only results I have ever seen that appeared elevated at first glance were Dane Wigington’s pond water samples. But then you check the way results and see “Matrix: sludge”! Yes, he actually collected the sediment from the bottom of the pond: in other words, dirt! If you sample dirt then of course you will find aluminium, because that is the most common metal in the earth!

            Likewise barium, which is found by the millions of tons in American soils and in fact is mined commercially in the western states. Not to mention the fact that barium is used in vehicle brake pads, so any samples taken near a road are likely to have lots of barium particles in there.

            As a scienctist (by training) and journalist (by profession), what I want to see is EVIDENCE. Evidence of a causal link between jet trails and chemicals being found on the ground. So far the only link I have found is the known small amounts of cloud seeding chemicals (eg silver iodide) used in licensed programs, and some use of barium by military planes. Neither of these things bears any resemblance to “chemtrails”.

            Now, it is very late here and I am fed up of typing on a phone screen. If oh think I am wrong with any of these rebuttals then do let me know. Alternatively just cut to the chase and call me a “paid shill”, even though the logic of accepting payment to cover up being poisoned is possibly even dumber than the chemtrail theory!

          • Carl_Herman

            7. Please provide documentation of “normal” soil and water, along with particle size. Then provide an overall analysis of soil and water samples like these documented: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/water-tests/

            Finally, let’s give you a shill test: do you find any egregious crimes of state at all? Perhaps illegal and lie-started Wars of Aggression? How about our so-called “monetary” system that is the Orwellian opposite of debt? How about complicit corporate media lying to hide crimes centered in war and money?

          • Colophon

            Oh the shill test, always good for a gish gallop isn’t it?

            Look, I live in the UK which in case you forgot had a certain Tony Blair in charge not long ago. He lied about WMDs so that he could wage a war which virtually the whole country was opposed to, just do he could keep in Bush’s good books and walk into some cosy consultancy roles after he left number 10. That’s how government works. You’d have to be dumb not to know that.

            But governments can’t bend the rules of physics, they can’t load enough material onto an airliner to produce a thick trail dozens or hundreds of miles long, and they can’t spray chemicals into the sky while somehow hiding them from all the independent scientists around the world who study and monitor the atmosphere. If chemtrails were a real thing, they would be the simplest thing in the world to prove, because they would be RIGHT THERE IN THE SKY where anybody could sample them, either directly or from the ground via spectroscopy. Not one person has ever found anything in a persistent contrail that shouldn’t be there. Not one person in the whole world, out of hundreds of thousands of scientists who study the atmosphere every day.

            So if you want to you can invent magical government planes that can take off carrying tens of thousands of tons of chemicals and spray them while leaving no trace, and with no trace of the massive supply chain that would be needed to stock the chemtrail juice. You believe that if you want. But don’t be surprised that everyone is laughing at you.

          • Carl_Herman

            You ignored the request to provide documentation for your claim. Last time from just above your response if the link doesn’t copy:

            7. Please provide documentation of “normal” soil and water, along with particle size. Then provide an overall analysis of soil and water samples like these documented: http://www.geoengineeringwatch

            Then, you fail to answer the specific question: was the Blair war illegal? You say that was started on lies, so you agree that he should be arrested for War Crimes? This is a shill test: it’s one thing to whine, another to stand as a rational and responsible citizen.

          • nomadfiles

            I understand science. I also understand perversion of science and brainwashing. And that people who understand science can be and often are brainwashed.

          • Colophon

            The only brainwashing going on in the chemtrail world is by the people pushing the idea of chemtrails. That is why they constantly push false ideas dressed up as pseudoscience, such as (to name the commonest four)…
            1) “Contrails don’t persist”, or “Contrails never used to persist”, therefore trails we see that do persist must be chemtrails. Easily disproven by vast numbers of old photographs, films, newspapers, books and scientific papers depicting and discussing contrails persisting, right back to the earliest days of high-altitude flight.
            2) “High-bypass engines don’t make contrails”, a particularly crazy one this, as it can be shown quite easily by experiment that high-bypass engines produce contrails more frequently than low-bypass ones.
            3) “These trails are left by unmarked jets” – easily disproven using flight radar (ADS-B) tracking, in conjunction with a decent telephoto lens and/or binoculars.
            4) “Here are secret photos of the inside of chemtrail planes” – which always turn out to be ballast barrels, fuel tanks, firefighting equipment, cloud seeding or mosquito spray planes, all of which are public knoweldge and not at all secret.

            Top that off with the instant demonisation of anyone who questions the dogma as a “troll” or a “shill” (analogous to the Scientologists’ “Suppressive Persons”) and it becomes quite transparent that this is nothing less than cult behaviour.

          • nomadfiles

            Good points you’re making. But I notice you provide no documentation that what you say is true.
            Why don’t you address the evidence? This for example. Is this science?
            https://www.youtube.com/embed/oOj1sJm8nlg

          • Colophon

            No, it’s not science. It looks like Morgellons-related nonsense. Give a delusional parasitosis sufferer a microscope and some fluff and he’ll be happy for hours. I’d love to know what they think the link is between jet exhaust, cellphone towers and Morgellons. It all gets handwaved away as “frequencies”, as if that makes perfect sense!

            Science deals with facts, not lunatic YouTube videos. If you think stuff is being sprayed from planes, then identify the plane and sample the trail. Two decades after this chemtrail nonsense started, NOT ONE believer has ever managed to do this. Why not?

          • nomadfiles

            I see. There is no point then in continuing this discussion. You are one of those who cannot be convinced. Or a troll.

          • Colophon

            Now, why don’t you address the proven nonsense in this article we are both replying to?

            Like why it posts photos of ballast barrels etc lifted off publicly accessible airliner photo sites and claims they are “leaked photos of chemtrail planes”?

            Like why it posts videos of aerodynamic contrails as “irrefutable proof of spraying”?

            Like why it claims that contrails never used to persist and form clouds, when there are scientific descriptions of this happening for over 70 years?

            Like why it claims that soil and water samples show high levels of toxic metals, when in fact they show perfectly normal levels of terrestrial minerals?

            As always, you think the burden of proof lies entirely with established science, while anyone proposing a far-out theory gets a pass and doesn’t have to produce any evidence whatsoever. That’s not how this works, and that is why after 20 years, chemtrail believers can still only muster a few dozen people at their “global summit”, while the rest of the world either laughs at them or completely ignores them. It’s because they don’t even have the intellectual capacity to understand why they are wrong.

          • nomadfiles

            I think you’re a paid troll.

          • Colophon

            I think you know you have lost the argument so you are reaching for the shill card. You can run along now and spray vinegar into the air every time an airliner flies over. Enjoy your miserable existence.

          • nomadfiles

            What argument? All you’ve done is make assertions without proof. There is no argument.

          • Colophon

            No, I have provided an extensive list of references, links to the original images that are misrepresented as “leaked photos of chemtrail planes”, and so on. You have done nothing other than imply that I take money to breathe in poison!

          • nomadfiles

            I’m not implying it.

          • Colophon

            Yes you are, you said you think I am a paid troll. That would imply that I am being paid to cover up chemtrails poisoning me and my loved ones. If that is not an ad hominem then what is?

            Look, I don’t expect to change your mind. Once people fall down the chemtrail rabbit hole they are usually gone for good. So I’m not trying to convince you, I’m just shining a light on the way the chemtrail cult works, as a warning to others.

          • nomadfiles

            No, I’m not implying it. I’m saying it right out. I think you’re a paid troll.

          • Colophon

            Well then that just shows how illogical your thought processes are. Why would somebody accept money in order to cover up the fact they are being poisoned? You can’t spend money when you’re dead. I have a four-year-old daughter, and if you think that any amount of money would sway me to allow any harm to come to her, then you must have sociopathic tendencies, is all I can say.

          • nomadfiles

            “Why would somebody accept money in order to cover up the fact they are being poisoned?”
            Why would they do it for free?

          • Colophon

            They wouldn’t. If I thought there was even a grain of truth to the chemtrail theory then it would be the biggest environmental scandal of the century, and I would be making a big noise about it. Over the past three or four years I must have looked at every bit of “evidence” that has ever been put forward. None of it amounts to anything other than people misunderstanding simple phenomena. But the really strange thing is, people don’t WANT to be reassured that it’s nonsense. They cling on to the delusion like addicts. Why would you want to believe that all those clouds are killing you? Madness.

          • nomadfiles

            “If I thought there was even a grain of truth to the chemtrail theory then it would be the biggest environmental scandal of the century, and I would be making a big noise about it.”
            No you wouldn’t; because you’re not. And that’s a shame.

          • Colophon

            Because there is no truth in it. If anyone has any hard evidence then please send it to me. I could get it published in a major newspaper in the UK very easily.

          • Thor

            This is but one paper out of 100s written over decades detailing the persistent and spreading of contrails- from 1972

            http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

            The real question is why havent you researched the nature of contrail before you claim that what you see is not one?

          • Carl_Herman

            4th time: Thanks for your comments. I’ve invited Dane Wigington to debate the commenter Colophon on this topic.

            This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life, and have seen an explosion over the last few years. I will not argue this point, and invite readers to consider their own experience of their own two eyes.

            I also invite consideration of this: http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails

            J. Marvin Herndon, a renowned geophysicist whose groundbreaking work has been reported in the Washington Post and more, has confirmed aerial spraying of aluminum on a wide scale, which he says is threatening the health of humanity and our planet. In the abstract for one of his scientific papers, he states:

            “In response to an urgent call through an article in Current Science for assistance to understand the geological association of high aluminum mobility with human health in the Ganga Alluvial Plain, I describe evidence of clandestine geoengineering activity that has occurred for at least 15 years, and which has escalated sharply in the last two years. The geoengineering activity via tanker-jet aircraft emplaces a non-natural, toxic substance in the Earth’s atmosphere which with rainwater liberates highly mobile aluminum.”

            And now, a number of revealing media articles (see excerpts below) and a very good 90-minute documentary focused specifically on chemtrails and geoengineering have presented enough solid evidence to deserve a recommendation. The documentary, titled “What in the World Are They Spraying” is available at the link below:

            http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/chemtrails_documentary_videos

          • Thor

            Alas, Herndon’s paper was retracted for poor science…he hasnt “confirmed” anything than the fact that he wasnt aware of persistent contrails until 2004…and yet one can find pictures of contrails over San Diego (where he lives) for decades prior…

            Moreover, you neglected to address the information I presented. Its a paper from 40yrs ago describing EXACTLY what you claim are “chemtrails” and supposedly never happened before (insert year – it varies depending on the Believer)

            Did you even bother to read the paper? or just wave these facts away?

            “”It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under
            favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If
            sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus
            may develop and persist for hours”

            sound familiar? …and yet you claim this never happened before you notice…clearly it happened over Colorado in 1972.

            http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

          • nomadfiles

            that’s not a real question. that’s misdirection

          • Thor

            thats typical. I present factual evidence that your Belief regarding contrail persistence and its observance thru the decades is inaccurate…and you simply wave it away as “misdirection”.

            I realize this information is a threat to your Belief system- but facts are facts and should not be ignored simply because you fear them

            Did you read the paper? what does it say?

          • nomadfiles

            “Top that off with the instant demonisation of anyone who questions the dogma as a “troll” or a “shill” ”

            Not ‘anyone’. Just you.

          • Colophon

            Nope. Just look at any chemtrail website. Anyone who asks questions gets called a troll or shill. Guaranteed.

          • Colophon

            You’re not going to get any argument from me that humans can often be horrible and barbarous, humans in positions of power doubly so. This isn’t about what can be done and man’s inhumanity to man. It’s about whether it is remotely feasible to carry out a worldwide chemtrail spraying programme while leaving absolutely no evidence for anyone to find. The simple answer to that is, no it isn’t.

            Once again we see the false equivalence argument that those of us who see that chemtrails are a hoax must therefore love our governments and think everything is rosy in the garden. That is simplistic claptrap. We know governments range from downright evil to merely incompetent. But they cannot do the impossible, however much they might like to. If a chemtrail spraying program began, we would know about it almost immediately, because you cannot hide the air we breathe.

          • nomadfiles

            I notice from your Disqus page that you are obsessed with debunking chemtrails. I think you’re a paid troll.

          • Colophon

            Well done, guaranteed cop-out. That’s not how science works. You don’t win a debate by saying that you think the person asking awkward questions is a paid troll. You win a debate, and gain supporters, by providing a better argument. If you have evidence then the evidence should stand for itself, without ad hominems.

            And just think for a moment what being a paid troll to debunk chemtrails would mean. That would mean I willingly accept money to cover up having the air that I breathe, that my wife and daughter breathe, poisoned. Does that make even the remotest bit of sense to you? What use is money if you’re POISONED? Just switch on your brain for a second. Wow.

          • Colophon

            I notice from your lack of rebuttal to my questions that you have lost the argument, and are forced to play the shill card. How utterly predictable chemtards are.

          • nomadfiles

            now you are showing your true colors. Stooping to ad hominem.

          • Colophon

            Says the person who implies that I accept money to have myself and my family poisoned! Look, you believe in chemtrails. If anyone deserves an ad hom it’s you.

          • nomadfiles

            I don’t have to ‘believe in chemtrails’. Unlike you, I can see them.

          • Colophon

            No, you can see white trails in the sky, like just about anyone who lives in the western world and doesn’t have a white stick and a labrador in a hi-vis vest. Where I live has some of the busiest skies in the world. I have photos taken from my garden with over two dozen trails in the sky at once. The difference is, you don’t understand what you are seeing.

          • nomadfiles

            Naw, buddy. It’s you who doesn’t understand. Or rather pretends not to understand.

          • Colophon

            Hmm. Which should I believe? Seventy years of science, my own observations of the planes leaving the trails, and my chemistry degree; or some guy on the internet who thinks jet trails are killing us? It’s a tough call.

          • nomadfiles

            Believe whatever you like. It’s almost a free country.

          • Thor
          • nomadfiles

            give it up, shill

          • Thor

            of course, I disagree with your ignorance and baseless assertions- the only possible reason is I am a “shill”

            Ad homs are a sure sign of a failed argument

          • nomadfiles

            your use of “ad homs” to refer to ad hominem is the same as Colophon’s indicating that you are indeed the same person.
            shill

          • Thor

            LOL – because I point out your logical fallacy I am the same person as Calphon? Nice try.

            avoid the facts and hide behind personal attacks…and you wonder why people dont take you seriously

          • nomadfiles

            deliberately misspelling your alter ego is not going to fool anyone

          • nomadfiles

            What you propose in all cases is low probability explanations. Yeah, that’s possible but highly unlikely. Why you’re proliferating this skewed and bogus information I have no idea. But it’s reprehensible.

          • Thor

            you are not thinking logically? Is the atmosphere static? uniform? Is the temp the same at 30k feet as it is at 40k feet? does humidity vary from place to place?

            why is there a cloud in one spot but not another?

            You attack me but cannot address the actual information- again sign of a weak and failing narrative. You’re threatened by this information- these FACTS- I understand that…but I do not present it out of malice – but kindness…no need to fear contrails…plenty of real problems to worry about.

          • nomadfiles

            why don’t you answer your own disingenuous questions?

          • Thor

            typical avoidance. Why are the questions ‘disingenuous’ – they are pertinent to a proper understand of how the atmosphere works and how a planes exhaust reacts in that changing environment.

            You avoidance of this suggests you are not really interested in the truth…otherwise you would answer the very ingenuous questions.

          • nomadfiles

            if I thought you were serious I might

          • Thor

            I am serious about the truth. Please point out any factual errors I have made with supporting documentation.

            Its funny- you never address the information but continually misdirect with personal comments – why is that?

          • nomadfiles

            if I thought you were serious I might

          • nomadfiles

            “plenty of real problems to worry about.”
            “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, Dorothy.”
            This is your purpose. To direct attention away from the crime in the sky.
            “Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, citizen.

          • nomadfiles

            the trails starting and starting comment was meant for here

          • Colophon

            Contrails are just a type of cirrus clouds. Cirrus clouds don’t generally cover the entire sky, they form wisps and ragged shapes. That’s because it is rare for the ice-supersaturation to be present uniformly across the whole sky. There are areas where it is supersaturated and areas where it isn’t. The trails will only persist within the ISSR.

            In the case of aerodynamic contrails, which are formed by the pressure dropping and pushing the humidity level above saturation, the pressure differential is not constant. You get vortices and pockets of different air pressure because the flow is turbulent. Any small adjustments in the flaps or airspeed will also affect the contrail formation.

            You really need to take a little primer in fluid dynamics and/or aeronautics before holding forth on “chemtrails”.

          • nomadfiles

            this is absolute nonsense. how do you explain a plane leaving a trail flying along side one that isn’t?

            shill

          • Thor

            could be 2 planes at slightly different altitude- all it takes is a few degrees change in temp or humidity to alter the character of the trail. (you cant determine exact altitude with naked eye from the ground- illogical premise.)

            why is there a cloud in one spot but not another?

          • nomadfiles

            utter nonsense

          • Thor

            why? please explain scientifically why this is not a perfectly logical explanation.

            Just waving it away as “nonsense” with nothing to actually back that up suggests a very weak argument on your part.

          • nomadfiles

            read my other replies. they back it up quite adequately

          • Thor

            I disagree that your replies “back it up”- Please explain why 2 planes in the same sky cannot be flying thru different temperatures and/or humidity levels resulting in different trails.

            for the sake of brevity- please explain why this factual, rational reasoning is “utter nonesense”.

          • nomadfiles

            First, please explain your purpose.

          • Thor

            I see…the facts are stacking against you so the only option is to question motives- So typical. avoidance, misdirection…cognitive dissonance?

            My purpose? enlightenment.

            Now please explain why 2 planes in the same sky cannot be flying thru
            different temperatures and/or humidity levels resulting in different
            trails.

          • nomadfiles

            i refer you to my earlier comments

          • Thor

            you didnt say anything.

          • nomadfiles

            facts? you don’t deal in facts. just blather

          • Thor

            now you are lying. Are you proud of that?

          • Colophon

            Here you go. I count at least 28 trails. Can you beat that? July 30 2014, early morning. 8 hours later there was not a trail to be seen. All down to a change in relative humidity. http://i.imgur.com/bDOSkpS.jpg

          • Thor

            if you understand science then why cant a contrail persist and spread?

            why do clouds persist?

          • Carl_Herman

            5th time: Thanks for your comments. I’ve invited Dane Wigington to debate the commenter Colophon on this topic.

            This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life, and have seen an explosion over the last few years. I will not argue this point, and invite readers to consider their own experience of their own two eyes.

            I also invite consideration of this: http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails

            J. Marvin Herndon, a renowned geophysicist whose groundbreaking work has been reported in the Washington Post and more, has confirmed aerial spraying of aluminum on a wide scale, which he says is threatening the health of humanity and our planet. In the abstract for one of his scientific papers, he states:

            “In response to an urgent call through an article in Current Science for assistance to understand the geological association of high aluminum mobility with human health in the Ganga Alluvial Plain, I describe evidence of clandestine geoengineering activity that has occurred for at least 15 years, and which has escalated sharply in the last two years. The geoengineering activity via tanker-jet aircraft emplaces a non-natural, toxic substance in the Earth’s atmosphere which with rainwater liberates highly mobile aluminum.”

            And now, a number of revealing media articles (see excerpts below) and a very good 90-minute documentary focused specifically on chemtrails and geoengineering have presented enough solid evidence to deserve a recommendation. The documentary, titled “What in the World Are They Spraying” is available at the link below:

            http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/chemtrails_documentary_videos

          • Thor

            spam.

          • nomadfiles

            spreading contrails, if they exist, have the same effect as spreading chemtrails. they turn into gossamer film

          • Thor

            except the “gossamer” film is ice…not webs or nano bots or Dane’s underwear.

            Ice.

            Ever heard of “mare’s tails”? cirrus uncinus? look it up- what do they look like?

            Persistent contrail DO exists- there are decades of historical and scientific record that prove this fact. Why are you unaware of this?

            dont you think you should understand the nature of contrails before you see one and claim its actually something else? Here is an excellent primer- the question is will you actually read it or is your mind closed to new information?

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JAM2325.1

          • nomadfiles

            “dont you think you should understand the nature of contrails before you see one and claim its actually something else? ”
            back atcha

          • Thor

            typical cop out. avoid the info presented and make a snarky comment.

            I understand that burning fuel creates water and that water freezes into ice crystals…and that ice will persist if its humid enough and spread with the upper winds…

            can you point out any factual errors?

          • nomadfiles

            sounds about right. whats your point?

          • Thor

            the point is this has been going on ever since planes have flown high enough- despite claims of never happened before…and that this is what is taking place when people see a trail in the sky and cry its a “chemtrail” …and thats its not “wierd” behavior but well known, long understood EXPECTED behavior as a result of air travel.

            …and that with over 40,000 flights EVERYDAY in the US alone its understandable why there are so many trails in the sky.

            So, if you know this to be true- why do you look up and believe you actually see something else?

          • nomadfiles

            keep spieling. somebody will buy it

          • nomadfiles

            keep spieling. somebody will buy it

          • nomadfiles

            simply not true

          • Thor

            what is not true?

            and why is it not true? Provide evidence not just one liner cop-outs

            You never seem to be able to address the actual info and facts I present- just proclaim its not true and run away.

          • nomadfiles

            because i know what your purpose is. i’m not running away. i’m dealing with you in the way that you deserve.
            shill

          • Thor

            LOL. Ok- keep your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge facts…if thats your path to “truth” – so be it.

            Clearly, your mind is closed and its a religion for you. Blind zealotry in the face of a stack of evidence contrary.

            good luck with that.

        • nick quinlan

          The evidence of geoengineering chemtrails is right over your head, if you care to take the time to actually look up at the sky, without bias, and try and comprehend what your eyes tell you. Here in Michigan, the spraying takes place 4-5 days of every week, without fail. This is not a matter of belief, this is taking place around the world on a regular basis, and is actually being accelerated in the past year or so. Check out geoengineering watch.com

          • ckozzy

            Nick I have paid attention to the sky for the last 50 years, the same thing was happening back in my childhood. I really do not need somebody to tell me what I have personally experienced.

          • nick quinlan

            I am in my sixties, and have never seen in my life, what is happening in the skies today. Do some research, these are government programs, and patents, on the aerosols used. Look up Project Indigo Skyfold.

          • Carl_Herman

            3rd request, ckozzy, to discuss the evidence of the article you comment upon: what do the videos show to you, what are the mechanics of modern turbo fan engines, and what is the context to “trust” government given other health experiments disclosed along with current unlawful wars?

            But I guess I’m wasting my time other than making clear the choice interested readers have of what type of commentary they want furthered in the world they choose to have.

      • Thor

        you might want to research what an Aerodynamic contrail is before you make your claim of “nozzles”

        And why do you think turbo fans dont make contrails? They still burn jet fuel, they still create water as a byproduct- where does that water go?

        • Carl_Herman

          3rd time: Thanks for your comments. I’ve invited Dane Wigington to debate the commenter Colophon on this topic.

          This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life, and have seen an explosion over the last few years. I will not argue this point, and invite readers to consider their own experience of their own two eyes.

          I also invite consideration of this: http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails

          J. Marvin Herndon, a renowned geophysicist whose groundbreaking work has been reported in the Washington Post and more, has confirmed aerial spraying of aluminum on a wide scale, which he says is threatening the health of humanity and our planet. In the abstract for one of his scientific papers, he states:

          “In response to an urgent call through an article in Current Science for assistance to understand the geological association of high aluminum mobility with human health in the Ganga Alluvial Plain, I describe evidence of clandestine geoengineering activity that has occurred for at least 15 years, and which has escalated sharply in the last two years. The geoengineering activity via tanker-jet aircraft emplaces a non-natural, toxic substance in the Earth’s atmosphere which with rainwater liberates highly mobile aluminum.”

          And now, a number of revealing media articles (see excerpts below) and a very good 90-minute documentary focused specifically on chemtrails and geoengineering have presented enough solid evidence to deserve a recommendation. The documentary, titled “What in the World Are They Spraying” is available at the link below:

          http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/chemtrails_documentary_videos

    • nomadfiles

      Well, there is at least one anonymous pilot whistleblower. I’ll try to find the link. And then there is a former FBI Chief.

    • nomadfiles
  • kimyo

    the author ‘cognitive dissonance’ posted a series of articles on chemtrails at zero hedge a while back. the following quote is from the second of three. the third is here.

    What are missing from most analyses of this subject are two things – the issue of intent and the muddling of facts. As more and more people delve into the aerosol issue, they can clearly see something is happening over their heads. And they are beginning to realize what they see in the sky is not normal, with persistent aerosols formed into grid patterns or aerosol lines which slowly disperse to turn the entire visible sky a milky white.

    he takes the time to go thru 6 scenarios, ruling each out as the ‘primary’ intent. (for instance, if they were trying to harm ‘us’, there any many simpler/cheaper/more effective ways to do so)

    that’s where i get hung up. what are they trying to achieve?

    • Carl_Herman

      Until we have arrests with HONEST criminal investigation, we’ll never know.

    • GeoengineeringChemwatch
      • kimyo

        if you can’t be bothered to write two sentences summarizing the content, i can’t be bothered to visit your link.

    • nomadfiles

      “if they were trying to harm ‘us’, there are many simpler/cheaper/more effective ways to do so”
      Yes, but there is no better way to harm us with plausible deniability; without us knowing. Well, without most of us knowing. When this operation is finally disclosed (if ever) there will be serious questions for these weather manipulators to answer.about Sandy, Katrina, derechos and even Fukushima. They aren’t just trying to harm us. They are harming us. And of course the harm is just collateral damage. It is merely the requisite for their ultimate goal. Control. Total worldwide control.

      • Carl_Herman

        Yes, nomadfiles, the crimes centering in war and money are damning evidence of what the .01% want, what all empires have wanted: total control as masters of “we the work animals.”

        • nomadfiles

          He who controls the weather controls the world. The MIC has stated its intent.

          “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025”

          “2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the

          concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space

          force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school

          environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The

          views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the

          United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.”
          http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

          “views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the

          United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.”

          Yeah. Right.

          • Thor

            can you point in that paper from 20yrs ago where they mention “chemtrail” or HAARP or anything more than traditional cloud seeding?

          • nomadfiles

            sure, but i’ll not waste my time

          • Thor

            of course not, that would defeat your narrative. Must stay on message.

          • nomadfiles

            not the point of the paper. can’t site something not addressed

          • Thor

            but you insinuate that thought paper from 20 yrs ago by 2 AF officers as “evidence” of chemtrails…but that is simply not the case.

            Of course the military would love to “own the weather” but that doesnt mean contrails dont persist and spread and if you see one do so its a “chemtrail”.

            Its misdirection- a strawman- to assert that paper has anything to do with “chemtrails” . To be expected when you have no actual facts to base your claims on but still weak.

          • nomadfiles

            no I didn’t. i presented as evidence that creeps were thinking along these lines

          • Thor

            along what lines? I thought “chemtrails” were geo-engineering? how is trying to ameliorate climate change along the lines of battle field supremacy? twisted logic.

            or are you of the ‘population culling’ crowd? (is it working?)

  • Eol Awki

    Why doesn’t someone hire a jet with the ability to follow after one of these chemtrail-spraying planes and collect a bit of the chemtrail for chemical analysis? Seems this would be the best way to confirm its composition.

    • GeoengineeringChemwatch
    • Colophon

      Because it would confirm what everyone keeps telling them – that they are ice crystals plus a few combustion byproducts. The people who sell the chemtrail hoax don’t WANT people to know the truth, because it would kill their nice little moneyspinner.

      • Carl_Herman

        Provide your documented evidence for your claims, and refute the air and soil sampling that show this isn’t the case (links in this article).

        • Colophon

          See the other thread.

        • Colophon

          Here’s an idea, why don’t you try holding the chemtrail hoaxers up to the same standard of proof you are trying to make me jump through? Why not do what I did and look up some old geology textbooks and find tables for typical soil composition in the lower 48? Do you need your hand held every step of the way? Switch on your brain, use t to find the truth and stop being a gullible mark for the peddlers of fear porn.

          • Carl_Herman

            Let’s do this: are you willing to debate the experts in this area? If so, I’ll help arrange it. I’m just a concerned citizen living under a lying and war-mongering government without academic and professional expertise in this area.

            If your answer is “yes,” I’ll attempt to arrange it.

          • Colophon

            Sure. What’s the best way to contact you?

          • Carl Herman

            Awesome; thank you, Colophon. I’ll try to arrange this with Geoengineering Watch: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

            Please e-mail me at Carl_Herman@post.harvard.edu

          • Carl_Herman

            Awesome; thank you, Colophon. I’ll try to arrange this with Geoengineering Watch: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

            Please e-mail me at Carl_Herman@post.harvard.edu

          • nomadfiles

            Did this ever materialize? I doubt this shill wants to debate Dane.

          • Carl Herman

            Not yet, nomadfiles. I e-mailed Dane again; you’re welcome to also encourage him at their site’s contact page.

          • nomadfiles

            ” I’m just a concerned citizen living under a lying and war-mongering government”
            love this

          • nomadfiles

            Thor likes Colophon’s comment? Isn’t it obvious that they are the same person? Isn’t there some kind of rule against sock puppetry?

          • Thor

            why cant I like someones comment? Must I be shill simply cuz I disagree with you and fact it up with factual, well reasoned arguments?

            Seriously- avoid attacking messengers and focus on the facts.

          • Colophon

            Because nobody else could possibly agree with me? Apart from the 99% of the population who understand that chemtrails are a load of nonsense? Me and the other 7 billion people, we’re all paid shills and we’re all the same person.

        • Thor

          lots of in situ samples of contrails over the years- why havent you researched this?

          https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=in+situ+contrail+sample&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8tN-cz9XMAhUM42MKHVeiAHIQgQMIGzAA

          Anyone could hire a plane with the required equipment and sample a trail or 5:

          http://www.weathermodification.com/environmental-monitoring.php

  • nomadfiles

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more sinister (also via Zen)

    We are breathing this stuff. It’s inside of all of us. Some of us more sensitive to the microfilaments than others. Ever have a strange itch as if tiny, tiny insects were crawling on your skin? What’s the purpose of embedding these fibers in our bodies. In the bodies of every other living thing for that matter.

  • nomadfiles

    The thing about that contrail versus chemtrail video. That also indicates something worse than you might think. I observe the sky frequently and upon one particular occasion observed this same discrepancy in size of chem/contrails. But as I kept observing I caught sight of two other aircraft at the same altitude (40 to 50,000 feet) leaving no trail at all. High bypass air fan working perfectly fine. What you have here, my friends, are two different types of chemtrails. One high emission. One very low emission. Obviously all of these planes were flying in the same atmospheric conditions. They should have all been leaving contrails or none of them should have been leaving trails.

    I used to wonder, on the days when I didn’t see obvious chemtrails, why the sky still tended to turn pale. Then I began to notice on those days that, though there were no dramatic chemtrails, there was a continued series of these short trails. It was, I deduced, these numerous short low emission chemtrails that turned the sky pale. I dubbed these low emission trails “stealth chemtrails”.

    • Colophon

      Well done, you’ve discovered contrails. The rest of the planet discovered them about 70 years ago.

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  • nomadfiles

    Chemtrails resume (3/29). Well, they probably never stopped. They’ve probably just been using the stealth approach. Lightly spraying while we weren’t looking. Because, I gotta tell you, though I haven’t seen any chemtrails lately, the sky has been awful pale. Paleness, of course, by my metrics, is primary evidence of aerosol spray, however it might have been delivered. Hey! Skeptics! How can you tell the controllers have been spraying? You don’t need to see chemtrails. That’s primary evidence. Even better primary evidence though is to see the aerosol itself. That ubiquitous wispy film that veils the sky. Today, however, we have the return of classic form chemtrails, that let us know in no uncertain terms that we are being sprayed. It’s undeniable. Now, aren’t you just a little bit concerned?

    https://aislec.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/win_20160329_08_38_40_pro.jpg?w=246&h=138&crop=1

    https://aislec.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/win_20160329_08_38_24_pro.jpg?w=246&h=138&crop=1

    They have returned to the typical protocol of morning trails that follow the path of the rising sun; as I have noted many times.

    • Carl_Herman

      Yes, it’s undeniable. If these are natural, we should see them everyday, and at all times. But we don’t because they are spraying.

      • nomadfiles
        • Thor

          this video is HILARIOUS! @2:20 He says “these things (contrails) – condensation- hang in the air way longer than the laws of physics would permit condensation to stay in the sky”

          What does he think clouds are?

          • Thor

            So…”john” – what are clouds made of?? Do tell….why do they persist?

          • Carl Herman

            Hey, Thor: is this my 4th request now? Do you see anything illegal in government acts, such as lie-started illegal Wars of Aggression as documented in this article?

            Or do you see perfectly clear skies there?

            Or do you ignore this question?

            Keep commenting, and I’ll keep pointing out that it’s soooooo curious a person claiming to do serious research would ignore the “Emperor’s New Clothes” obvious point of illegal acts by governments, both in our world of the present, and our entire human history.

            But go ahead, Thor: do what you will. Just sayin’, tho’, bro-Thor: karma is a law.

      • Colophon

        Nonsense. You see persistent contrails when the air is ice-supersaturated. Do you really think the air at cruise altitudes is ALWAYS ice-supersaturated?

        • Carl_Herman

          Awesome; thank you, Colophon, for providing choice (to readers and you). If you wish to make factual claims, provide your documentation. Otherwise, your testimony will stand as unsubstantiated.

          • Colophon

            Absolutely. See my posts in the other thread.

          • Colophon

            Absolutely. See my posts in the other thread.

          • Thor

            Here is documentation that clearly shows normal contrails from normal commericial planes persisting and spreading into cirrus clouds:

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JAM2325.1

            There is decades of research- why have you not looked for this information before claiming the contrail you see is not one?

          • Carl_Herman

            To repeat: Thanks for your comments. I’ve invited Dane Wigington to debate the commenter Colophon on this topic.

            This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life, and have seen an explosion over the last few years. I will not argue this point, and invite readers to consider their own experience of their own two eyes.

            I also invite consideration of this: http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails

            J. Marvin Herndon, a renowned geophysicist whose groundbreaking work has been reported in the Washington Post and more, has confirmed aerial spraying of aluminum on a wide scale, which he says is threatening the health of humanity and our planet. In the abstract for one of his scientific papers, he states:

            “In response to an urgent call through an article in Current Science for assistance to understand the geological association of high aluminum mobility with human health in the Ganga Alluvial Plain, I describe evidence of clandestine geoengineering activity that has occurred for at least 15 years, and which has escalated sharply in the last two years. The geoengineering activity via tanker-jet aircraft emplaces a non-natural, toxic substance in the Earth’s atmosphere which with rainwater liberates highly mobile aluminum.”

            And now, a number of revealing media articles (see excerpts below) and a very good 90-minute documentary focused specifically on chemtrails and geoengineering have presented enough solid evidence to deserve a recommendation. The documentary, titled “What in the World Are They Spraying” is available at the link below:

            http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/chemtrails_documentary_videos

          • Thor

            just spamming the same reply without addressing the information I present is a cop-out and suggest you are not really interested in the truth.

            Please read this paper and tell me your thoughts or point out errors of fact:

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JAM2325.1

          • nomadfiles

            No. This is an extensive analysis that determines how these trails transition into what the authors identify as cirrus clouds. And does a fine job of it. But It begins with the presumption that the trails are water vapor. A presumption it does not question at all, despite the weird behavior of these trails, i.e. transforming into cirrus clouds. This is ass backwards science.

          • Thor

            but its not weird- its been observed and studied for decades- replicated in labs, sampled right from the atmosphere etc…this guy sampled his own persistent spreading contrail 40yrs ago;

            http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

            Moreover, in the first paper, they identify the specific commericial flights that created the trails….so, either turbo fans create contrails OR commercial planes are doing the “spraying”- which is it?

            Most people understand that burning fuel creates water vapor as a by-product. Its pretty easy to understand that when that water vapor is ejected into a very cold environment it will condense and freeze into visible ice crystals…and its easy to understand that if the air is humid enough it will persist…much like a cloud persists. (water vapor is invisible- hence the gap before it condenses and freezes into visible ice)

            do you understand this basic, proven science?

          • nomadfiles

            Yeah, I saw that. They begin with an unproven assumption. Give me something that analyzes the content of the trails.
            “do you understand this basic, proven science?”
            probably better than you

          • Thor

            then show it- explain why you believe this is ‘wierd’ behavior. Explain why you think contrails cant persist and spread.

            He sampled and analyzed his own persistent spreading contrail 40yrs ago- you are not even reading the information presented. The reality of persistent contrails is NOT ‘unproven’- thats simply false on your part because you are unwilling to admit that you might not be as informed as you believe- hubris is not conducive to truth.

            Lots of contrail samples over the decades.

            https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=in+situ+contrail+sample&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbk6mswNfMAhUK-2MKHTbFCA0QgQMIGjAA

            Here is another paper from 46 years ago- do the pictures look familiar? were they ‘spraying’ back then? The author writes:

            “The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight.”

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937%3AAOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

            how are you reconciling these facts with your belief that contrails dont persist and spread and never have?

          • Valerie

            Very definitely we as well as every living thing on this planet are under attack, not only that it is being done with our own tax dollars, nothing like paying for the weapons that are killing all of us!

      • Thor

        They are not natural- they are man made but they simply a result of combustion in very cold places and are easily explained by basic physics.

        Do you see clouds every day at all times?

        Is the atmosphere static? Uniform? or does temp and humidity change from spot to spot and altitude to altitude?

        If it takes a certain temp for a contrail to form- say -40 below…what happens when a contrail generating plane flies thru warmer air?

        Its not hard…pretty simple concept. Jets burn fuel, which creates water as a by product- that water vapor get injected into very cold air condenses and freezes if its cold enough….if its humid enough they will persist…much like a cirrus cloud.

        This has been documented and studied for decades…why have you not researched this information. ?

        http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

        (i am curious is to why you think you could see any contrail from the plane you are in anyways? seems illogical)

        • Carl_Herman

          Thanks for your comments. I’ve invited Dane Wigington to debate the commenter Colophon on this topic.

          This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life, and have seen an explosion over the last few years. I will not argue this point, and invite readers to consider their own experience of their own two eyes.

          I also invite consideration of this: http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails

          J. Marvin Herndon, a renowned geophysicist whose groundbreaking work has been reported in the Washington Post and more, has confirmed aerial spraying of aluminum on a wide scale, which he says is threatening the health of humanity and our planet. In the abstract for one of his scientific papers, he states:

          “In response to an urgent call through an article in Current Science for assistance to understand the geological association of high aluminum mobility with human health in the Ganga Alluvial Plain, I describe evidence of clandestine geoengineering activity that has occurred for at least 15 years, and which has escalated sharply in the last two years. The geoengineering activity via tanker-jet aircraft emplaces a non-natural, toxic substance in the Earth’s atmosphere which with rainwater liberates highly mobile aluminum.”

          And now, a number of revealing media articles (see excerpts below) and a very good 90-minute documentary focused specifically on chemtrails and geoengineering have presented enough solid evidence to deserve a recommendation. The documentary, titled “What in the World Are They Spraying” is available at the link below:

          http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/chemtrails_documentary_videos

          • Thor

            “I’ve never seen these in my life”

            Is memory in fallible?

            Did you notice them before someone told you to look up?

            Did you notice them the first day they started spraying or were they there before you noticed?

            What about others who have seen them all their lives? what about the scientific and historical record dating back decades that contradict your belief?

            How do you explain all the photographic evidence that these trails have existed for as long as planes have flow high enough?

            https://www.metabunk.org/pre-1995-persistent-contrail-archive.t487/

            Please explain.

            I dont care about Wiggyton- he is lost cause zealot who seems to have abandoned all reason. There is no consequence for error with him. You point out his factual errors and he simply censors you. Dane is all about controlled messaging and propaganda.

            You seem like you have a semblance of rational capabilities that would allow you to acknowledge errors when confronted with the facts.

            am I wrong?

  • Thor

    Carl said: “This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life”

    I suggest you review the material below to see if your memory correlates with the scientific and historical record:

    This paper from 1970 (do the pictures look familiar?) states:

    “”The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight.”

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937%3AAOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    This paper from 1972 states that:

    “It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under
    favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If
    sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus
    may develop and persist for hours”

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281972%29029%3C1367%3AMOTGOT%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    This paper from recent times identifies the specific commericial planes whence the trails came

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JAM2325.1

    This link provides photographic evidence that others certainly have seen these before thru the decades:

    https://www.metabunk.org/pre-1995-persistent-contrail-archive.t487/

    thoughts?

    • Carl Herman

      Yeah: these have exploded in numbers over the last few years, and as I stated: I had never seen them before, and ask people to trust their own experiences.

      Shill test for you, Thor: in the broader picture of illegal government activities, do you see those? For examples, lie-began and illegal wars that any responsible citizen should respond to with demand for arrests?

  • nomadfiles

    This is for the shill that claims what we are seeing is normal contrails.
    Colophon/Thor, a sock puppeteer that somehow became obsessed with this post two months after it was posted. You can tell it’s the same guy by his idiomatic expressions. For example both puppets call ‘ad hominems’ ‘ad homs’. He’s been spamming this post heavily, which makes me suspect he’s under some kind of paid assignment. Who knows what his government affiliation is. Whoever he works for is really concerned with stifling commentary on this subject. He seeks to overwhelm this post with fatuous verbiage.
    Here is refutation of his claims that planes aren’t spraying. Of course he’s going to try to say that what this video shows is a plane going in and out of different atmospheric conditions. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.

    • Carl Herman

      This is a great opening for Dane and/or other experts with academic and/or professional experience to address the facts. Anyone interested can contact Dane to invite his acceptance to debate Colophon or anyone else on this topic: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/contact-2/

    • Thor

      LOL

      • Carl Herman

        You done LOLing, Thor? You refuse to answer the shill test of whether you see anything illegal of our governments, like illegal and lie-started Wars of Aggression?

        You’re refusing, yes?

    • Colophon

      The reason I found this post was by after seeing another recent chemtrail story. I looked at the “Discussions” tab on the commenters there and found they were also making the same idiotic comments on this story.

      Why do you find it so hard to believe that the atmospheric conditions are not exactly identical everywhere throughout the sky? And why do you think “Thor”, who according to his profile joined two years ago and has over 600 comments, is some kind of sock puppet? Because you’ve been brainwashed, that’s why.

      • nomadfiles

        No. It’s because I’m not gullible.

        • Thor

          not only are you gullible but you dont actually deal in facts or evidence. just claim, claim claim- ignore the evidence against so the only think left is to call people names. You mother must be so proud 🙂

          • nomadfiles

            see other thread

    • Colophon

      By the way, this is the original of the video you posted. The fact you didn’t bother to find out where the video came from and what it shows is very telling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t22wy4c-A-A

      Listen to the commentary from the pilot. He filmed it precisely to mock chemtrail believers like you, because he knew they would lap it up.

      • Carl Herman

        Hi Colophon,
        I asked a question that you haven’t answered: do you see any illegal acts of government when you look? Such as the article’s documentation of illegal and lie-started Wars of Aggression that require arrests of US/UK/Israel “leaders”?

        Did you forget about this question, or to this point ignored it?

      • nomadfiles

        The commentary of the pilots does not suggest spoof. Labeling a video “spoof” does not make it so. Carry on with your spamming, but the evidence speaks for itself.
        Shill

        • Colophon

          Listen to them! They’re talking about chemtrails and laughing. Read the description written by the pilot who uploaded it! Try visiting reality once in a while. If anyone should believe in chemtrails it would be the pilots who have to fly up there among them every day the work. The fact that none of them do should tell you something.

          • nomadfiles

            I listened to them. You should try it. They said they were glad to be flying above it so that they wouldn’t be poisoned. They laughed nervously and not once did they say that this plane was not spraying. Come on, dude. This is the most transparent kind of disifo.

          • Colophon

            They are laughing. Can you really not hear it? Saying “glad we’re flying above it”!

            As he says in the description “It is simply a couple of KC-10s in formation and the audio you hear is just us poking fun at all the ‘chemtrails’ conspiratorialists”

            That is the words of the person who filmed and uploaded it. It was uploaded to POKE FUN AT chemtrail believers and here you are, as a chemtrail believer, trying to use it as evidence. Does that not strike you as pretty funny?

            They are aerodynamic contrails. You can even see the rainbow effects from the water mist. A child could understand this!

          • nomadfiles

            LOL! It would take a child to believe it.

          • Colophon

            That’s right. You know better than the person who was filming the plane from right behind it, who was speaking in the video and who uploaded the video with an explanation of why he did it. Makes perfect sense.

            If you want to believe that condensation is killing you then please go ahead. I’ve had enough of trying to explain basic science to someone whose mind was made up months ago. There comes a point when you just have to accept that some people are happy to wallow.

          • nomadfiles

            Thank you. I’ve had enough of your disinfo.
            “If they refuse to accept what they can see with their own eyes, there is nothing more you can do for them.”

          • Colophon

            And why would I do that? If they were spraying poisons into the air then I would be breathing it too. My wife and daughter would be breathing it. Is there any sum of money that would induce you to cover up having yourself and your loved ones poisoned? If so then you need to take a long hard look at your morals. (Leaving aside the fact that money isn’t much use if you are killed by aerial poisons!)

          • nomadfiles

            I don’t know why you would do it. I don’t know why the pilots would do it. I don’t know why the weather men would cover it up. I don’t know why politicians don’t investigate it. I don’t know why the scientists would plan and participate in it. They’ve all got families to. And yet they proceed with or enable ecocide. Why you do it is a mystery. But there is enough evidence to show that it is being done, even if you don’t buy the small piece of the puzzle this video represents. You are good about directing people to sites. If you really care about this issue go to:
            GeoengineeringWatch.Org and GeoEngineering Exposed. They’ve got all the information you require.

          • Colophon

            Geoengineeringwatch dot org is precisely the site that the first ridiculous video on this article comes from. A stolen video of aerodynamic contrails presented as “irrefutable proof”! If that’s the best proof you have then your case is looking pretty sorry for itself. Rather than “looking up” slack jawed at the trails in the sky why don’t you “look up” some actual science that tells oh how they form, so that you can stop being scared of them? Ignorance breeds fest. Education is the way to banish ignorance.

            You are on the Internet. Use it. Read how aerodynamic contrails form. http://contrailscience.com/files/AC%20Phenomenology%20and%20flow%20physics.pdf

            Those are what you are seeing behind this EVA Boeing 777.

          • nomadfiles

            See? That’s what I’m talking about. You’re not interested in looking at the evidence objectively. You only want to argue and draw out the discussion endlessly. Go over to those sites I mentioned. Are are you afraid? of Harold Saive?

          • Thor

            Harold Saive and Dane Wiggy are dead ends. They allow no dissent. Post any thing even remotely questioning their claims and you are censored and banned. Controlled messaging so as to maintain the false narrative in the face of facts directly contrary….they are not interested in discussion of the facts.

          • nomadfiles

            They’ve also call out your bullshit.

          • Thor

            you would have to ask colophon…I doubt Dane would be willing to be exposed like that without a controlled situation…

            but if it does happen I am sure Carl will let us know..

            Dane did participate in this debate with Mick West:
            https://www.metabunk.org/wigington-west-geoengineering-debate.t2211/

            Here are some of Dane’s factual errors:
            https://www.metabunk.org/dane-wigington-inaccuracies-and-omissions.t2429/

          • nomadfiles

            Gee, I wish I had time for this bullthis but I don’t. Let me know when you or your alter ego debate Dane. I’ll be mildly interested.

          • Thor

            So you say after 100s of comments. 🙂

          • nomadfiles

            you’re just dragging it out, dude. i’ll comment here but you’ll not be sending me on wild goose chases

          • Thor

            right- god forbid you actually learn something or look at evidence contrary to your Beliefs. LOL

          • nomadfiles

            yep. god forbid. you through yet?

          • Thor

            never.

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            metallic particles??…or condensation?

            LOL

          • Carl Herman

            Thor: I’ve saved space for your responses in this new article: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/05/34-minute-video-shows-chemtrail-emissions-specific-sprayers-refuting-arguments-engineenvironmental-effects-110-minute-video-explains-sprayed-like-bugs-enough-d.html

            You’ll have a section you’ve so far ignored from six or so previous requests to respond if you see larger government crimes or not.

          • nomadfiles

            https://youtu.be/lZaD-H_j3pU
            Finally, a military pilot steps forward and completely blows the lid off the unlawful and exceedingly destructive Global ChemtrailProgram. What follows is a video which puts forth a true story about a courageous pilot who has broken ranks with his chemtrailing peers. In so doing he has risked his life and the life of his family. As you listen to this presentation, or read the text provided below, bear in mind that chemtrails are being sprayed 24/7 around the globe with terrible consequences.

          • Thor

            LOL- You make it too easy…”the Haarp Report” is run by known internet hoaxer Kevin Martin- you might want to take a look at this guy and see if that really who you want to use as a source:

            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kevin_Martin

            “Kevin Douglas Martin is a self-proclaimed “senior
            meteorologist” and founder of several weather websites such as
            TheWeatherSpace.com, SouthernCaliforniaWeatherAuthority.com and
            currently WeatherAlertCentral.com.[1]
            Despite having no qualifications in the field and an abysmal track
            record he is known for using the internet to release frequent “weather
            alerts” warning of impending tornadoes, hurricanes and even earthquakes.
            He’s also a classic example of an internet tough guy.

            Martin has made a variety of bizarre and false claims about
            weather related phenomena. He has claimed that the atmospheric research
            project HAARP “or HAARP-like projects” are responsible for “abnormal” weather patterns and natural disasters such as Hurricane Sandy.[2][3] Martin’s websites have featured weather radar images purporting to track and forecast HAARP activity and the spread of chemtrails. However, even the denizens of the conspiracy forum Above Top Secret became skeptical of Martin’s various bombastic claims and activities.[4][5][6]
            Martin does not have any formal education or qualifications in
            meteorology but insists he was born with “gifts” that allow him to to
            forecast the weather”.[7]

            After Martin began issuing dubious “official” earthquake
            warnings, “official” hurricane watches, and “official” tornado warnings
            (despite U.S. Code 18 § 2074 specifically penalising false weather
            reports branded “official”),[8]
            the National Weather Service Headquarters issued a press release
            advising the public not to confuse official NWS or NOAA warnings with
            Martin’s made-up stuff.[9][10]

          • nomadfiles

            How did the horizon grow so dark? How did “civilization” get so far off track? Many focus only on the global elite’s insatiable quest for endless wealth, power, and control, but there is an underlying causal factor that has most directly allowed things to get this bad. Those who are “just doing their job” or “just following orders” are the basis on which a small number of the mentally deranged power brokers can wreak havoc around the globe. This paradigm has now gone on to the point that all life is in the balance. The global controllers are doing everything they can to hide countless unfolding cataclysms from a so far completely apathetic population. It is up to all of us to help expose reality while there is yet time to make a difference. What will you do to help with the effort to pull back the curtain in order to fully expose the crimes of the power structure? Get educated and get involved, time is not on our side.

            geoengineeringwatch.org

          • Thor
          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            indeed.
            http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/9/10941/htm

            “It was brought to my attention that there are problems related to
            the recently published article “Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical
            Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health” [1].

            Together
            with the Chief Scientific Officer, Dr. Franck Vazquez, and the
            Editorial office, we re-evaluated the paper, re-assessed the comments
            made by the three reviewers and note the following crucial concerns:

            The value for average leachate
            concentration of Aluminum mentioned in Table 1 and used by the author to
            normalize the data presented in Figures 2, 3, 4 and 5 is incorrect. The
            author uses 70,000 µg/kg, while the correct value resulting from the
            un-leached European coal fly ash samples measurements published by
            Moreno et al. [2]) is 140,000,000 µg/kg. This error invalidates the conclusions of the article.

            The
            chemical compositions obtained for rainwater and HEPA air filter dust
            are only compared to chemical compositions obtained for coal-fly-ash
            leaching experiments [2].
            The author did not attempt to compare his results to chemical
            compositions of other potential sources. Thus, at this stage, the work
            is preliminary since it is not clear what the source of these chemicals
            is.

            The language of the paper is often not sufficiently scientifically objective for a research article.

            Consequently,
            we have decided to retract the article. This paper is thus declared
            retracted and shall be marked accordingly for the scientific record.

            MDPI
            takes the responsibility to enforce strict ethical policies and
            standards very seriously. We aim to ensure the publication of only truly
            original and scientific works. MDPI would like to apologize to the
            readers of IJERPH that this article was published with the errors
            mentioned above. We sincerely appreciate the efforts of those who bring
            aspects of scientific error to our attention in an effort to maintain
            scientific integrity.”

          • nomadfiles

            I’m thru for the day, dude, but I think what you are doing is reprehensible. I know they’re spraying. You know they’re spraying. Why you are engaging in this attempted deception is puzzling. Oh well, I’ll be back with some more blog excerpts tomorrow.

          • Thor

            I think what you are doing is not only reprehensible but dangerous- spreading lies, purveying myth as “fact”, ignoring anything that contradicts your narrative, accusing others who disagree you of being “shills” etc…without actually addressing the substance of an argument.

            If you want to believe a fairytale thats fine…but if you post your bullshit on the internet dont complain when people call you out on it.

            You are either an ignorant fool or purposefully lying…either way you need some serious self reflection.

            I provided a path to knowledge- legitimate, verifiable, indisputable facts…and simply refuse to take that path because you are too weak of a human to accept that you might be wrong….no one likes to be duped…but you have been.

          • nomadfiles

            ho hum, shill.
            i’ll post some more excerpts tomorrow

          • Thor

            …and there you have it. Sure sign of failure – ignore the information and simply resort to name calling.

            good luck with that.

          • nomadfiles

            A highly consequential global climate change conference recently took place in Paris, France. Several concerned activists, including activist Michael Murphy, attended this meeting in order to better understand the hidden agenda behind the extraordinary drive to pass sweeping global climate legislation. The primary stated purpose of this new regime of international laws and treaties is to exert absolute control over CO2 emissions at both the macro and micro levels throughout planet Earth.

            If successful, national governments and transnational corporations everywhere will be subjected to mandates and legislation limiting their CO2 emissions and carbon production. So will cities and towns, households and businesses. However, carbon control is not the only purpose behind this major item on the NWO (New World Order) agenda. In fact, there is a much greater objective concerning all of their endeavors to foist an overarching Global CO2 ‘Management’ Regime (aka One World Government) on the entire planetary civilization. The following essay reveals those true goals and clandestine purposes in some detail.

            NWO Cabal Pursues Total Dominion Over The Earth’s Weather And Natural Resources

          • nomadfiles

            Yeah, you’re probably right. Saive has deleted me a couple of times. What can I tell you? They are the guys that can answer technical claims like the ones you pose. And if they won’t talk to you then that is indeed a dead end. Guess you guys will have to remain isolated from each other in your Balkanized worlds. And talking to me is rather futile. Frankly, I don’t believe a word you say.

          • Thor

            No Dane and Saive Cant or wont answer any actual technical questions about actual science…Dane has made repeated claims that have been fully debunked but he will not acknowledge any of his false claims.

            The whole turbo-fan engines dont make contrails is the latest BS…its easily debunked will literally 100s of videos on youtube definitively showing commericial airplanes with turbo fans leaving contrails- never mind they dont address what actually happens to the water created by burning fuel
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL-DgpV7Cr4

            You shouldnt believe a word I say…you should simply research for yourself- i’ve presented numerous valid, scientific references to support my claims…Dane and Saive cannot say the same. Hint Youtube isnt research. Look beyond GE-Watch for actual information…google scholar, old science books etc…

            look up the term ‘contrail cirrus’ for decades of legitimate science on what you Believe cant and never did happen…

          • nomadfiles

            Yeah, so did you arrange to debate Wiggy? If not, why? They are the one’s who made the claims. They have far more credibility than you. So who am I going to believe? Online activists or a disinfo agent?

          • Thor

            its not me its colophon…and saying wiggy has “credibility” is a bit of a stretch to say the least. I dont need credibility- I have the facts.

            Deal with the facts not the people. The fact is contrails can and often do persist and spread and to see one do so and claim it is actually something else requires evidence.

          • nomadfiles

            there’s plenty of it at the sites i mentioned

          • Thor

            I disagree. Posting a picture of a contrail and claiming its a “chemtrail” is not evidence. Clearly that subtly is lost on you.

          • Thor

            whats to deceive? Burning fuel creates water vapor. water vapor condenses and freezes if its cold enough. If it humid enough it persists- EXACTLY like clouds. Its really quite simple.

            If basic physics is “disinfo” then you have much bigger issues than “chemtrails”

          • nomadfiles

            You just said aircraft wings produce contrails too. I will have to research this before I accept it, and as I say, that’s not high on my agenda. ” Burning fuel creates water vapor.” In the video you show the fumes are not coming from the engines. As I say, this is but a small piece of the puzzle. You can beat it to death if you want. Your deception lies in your overall thesis, not in this single dispute. You are trying to convince people that they are not being sprayed. That is the deception.
            Colophon

          • Thor

            Yes- air craft wings produce aerodynamic contrails which is distinctly different than exhaust contrails which come from the engines.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

            Please answer this question: why do clouds hang in the air for hours?

            when you read this quote from a scientific research paper from 40yrs ago- what do you make of it? Is he lying? is it “disinfo” laid 40yrs ago? Or is it a legitimate scientists describing the world around him has he saw it 40+yrs ago?

            “”It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under
            favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If
            sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus
            may develop and persist for hours.”

            http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

            Or this one- what do you make of the pictures? Clearly contrails hung in the air for hours on a december day in 1969

            “The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight”

            This is literally the tip of the iceberg in terms of historical and scientific documentation that contrails can – if conditions allow- persist for a long time and spread…just like clouds do.

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937:AOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

            look at this book on clouds from 1972 with a whole chapter on contrails:

            https://picasaweb.google.com/107393796095434664991/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite&gsessionid=zXE070RVh9zBHDn4xpYVdg#5363663633813677154

            The question is what do you do with this information? Are you actually able to look at it in a rational manner and admit that you might not be as well informed about contrail behavior as you thought? Or do you just close your mind and wave it away as “disinfo’?

            Please explain.

          • nomadfiles

            well, it’s like this. blah blah blah

          • Thor

            Those quotes in my post above from those papers over 40yrs ago describe EXACTLY what you described. Will you admit that at least?

            You said: “i’ve seen crisscross trails like the image you posted melt into a single
            homogeneous sheet covering the entire sky. that’s not normal”

            …and yet 40yrs ago normal contrail behavior was described as:

            “The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exists from 25,000 to 40,000 feet, several long trails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet”

            and

            “It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours.”

            how is your description any different than theirs from 40yrs ago?

            So, either you are ignoring this evidence or simply trolling. Which is it?

          • nomadfiles

            blah

          • nomadfiles

            Here is this morning’s aircraft generated clouds. ColophonThor is trying to convince us this is normal. He’s digging up all of these paid scientists to verify that this is so. Scientists used to verify that cigarettes were safe too. Pay these charlatans enough money and they’ll devise academic studies that prove whatever you want.

            https://aislec.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/win_20160519_09_48_35_pro.jpg?w=680

          • Thor

            LOL. Every atmospheric scientist around the World for the last 60yrs has been paid off? Thats logical. You claim we are not being informed yet earlier post an article from NBC news from 36yrs ago doing just that.

            The physics that dictate whats happens to ice crystals in the atmosphere cannot be bought. The Laws of Nature are free for anyone to test and validate- as has been done for centuries.

            Your sky shows some contrails, some high cirrus clouds (indicating humidity) and low level cumulus.

            Except for the contrails, the sky looks identical to the skies in 1905 seen in this book:
            https://picasaweb.google.com/107393796095434664991/CloudStudies1905And1925?gsessionid=IbUWdN604eRAAwk3QMyDaw#

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            well that settles that…Chuck Norris?? LOL

            I think he has been bought off by the illuminaughty to distract from real issues

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            now whos spamming? LOL. If its on youtube- it must be true LOL.

          • nomadfiles

            Well I guess I’ll make it a spam misere.
            https://youtu.be/P27G7SNW1E0

          • Thor

            you claim to be too busy to actually read the documentation I presented but not too busy to spend hrs spamming youtube vids…

            I understand you are threatened, you see the holes in the narrative I point out and you are starting to doubt and so lash out in a spasm of spam.

            No like to be wrong- I get that…but in the end your spamming doesnt negate the facts…facts that you refuse to recognize because….

            because why exactly? Why ignore reality? Whats up with that?

          • nomadfiles
          • nomadfiles

            Yes. I am not obliged to follow your agenda. You are providing me with the opportunity to share the info I have collected over the years with a wider audience. I’m not responding to your content. Necessarily. I have my own agenda. This is much more fun than going on those wild goose chases you try to send me on. I could get used to this.

          • Thor

            yes, your agenda is clear. Spread as much ignorance and disinfo as possible.

            never mind the facts.

            LOL

          • nomadfiles

            Geoengineering Cover Up Revealed in Lost 1978 Government Report

            chemtrails-at-sunsetBy Phillip Schneider | WakingTimes.com

            Newly surfaced documents add to an already sizable pile of evidence that the U.S. government has been manipulating the weather for many decades.

            Related Article: These 15 Arguments Will Destroy Chemtrails Deniers

            Just under 750 pages, the document from May of 1978 illustrates just how large the geoengineering, weather-modification cover-up really is. The beginning of the document reads as follows:

            “The Federal Government has been involved for over 30 years in a number of aspects of weather modification, through activities of both the Congress and the executive branch. Since 1947, weather modification bills pertaining to research support, operations, policy studies, regulations, liabilities, activity reporting, establishment of panels and committees, and international concerns have been introduced in the Congress. There have been hearings on many of these proposed measures, and oversight hearings have also been conducted on pertinent ongoing programs.”

            Although the document clearly states that the Federal Government has been involved in activities that involve weather modification, the general public is still largely unaware that this is even going on. Many still adamantly oppose the idea that this is even possible. If Congress has known about this since at least 1978, why is the public still so clueless about weather modification?

          • Thor

            Fail…just a report about weather mod- not secret, no trails, not geo-engineering or “chemtrails”

            Your really grasping at straws arent you? LOL

          • nomadfiles

            “Why [are] bioegineered pathogenic micro-organisms and infectious agents… included in chemical geoengineering formulations[?]”

            http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=11082

          • Thor

            everything you post has been thoroughly debunked…you keep throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks…and yet none of it does.

            Its understandable to be angry when you realize you have been duped…go head let it out.

          • Carl Herman

            Hi nomadfiles 🙂

            Thank you for engaging with Thor and Colophon; it motivated me to provide better evidence and direct opportunity for these two to provide their best arguments for public consideration. If you see any additional info I should provide in this new article, please let me know: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/05/34-minute-video-shows-chemtrail-emissions-specific-sprayers-refuting-arguments-engineenvironmental-effects-110-minute-video-explains-sprayed-like-bugs-enough-d.html

          • nomadfiles

            I’m excerpting in reverse chronological order. Some of the posts are lighter than others. Did you see the one about “What I hate”? and I am not responding to your content at all. Well, here I am. But generally speaking. The content of your contents are disregarded. I have told you repeatedly that the discussion is futile. Yet you persist.

          • Thor

            nope- dont watch youtube vids as there is no consequence for error.

            So, what do you think “chemtrails” are for? geoengineering? population culling? mind control? morgellons spreading?

          • nomadfiles

            “When I was young some 50+ years ago, I never knew a kid with cancer, asthma or autism. Something is very wrong today and as an elder I feel compelled to point this out. Our skies were blue back then, none of these trails of chemicals that we see now. As a species on this planet don’t we owe it to all living things to question WHO & WHY someone somewhere has given the orders to spray us like bugs? Doesn’t it make sense to STOP marching for a cure and MARCH FOR THE CAUSES? I am Pam Jones, an elder of planet earth. Please take some time everyday and watch the skies then take some action. Our children are counting on us. be blessed.”
            https://youtu.be/d30mm4SHX7E

          • Thor

            WHY is it ludicrous? I am open to being wrong if you can convincingly tell me why?

            Why cant the ice crystals persist? They certainly will not melt, its -40 below.

          • nomadfiles

            not to the extent that i’ve seen them thor. your presumption is bogus

          • Thor

            what do you mean thats not normal? Thats EXACTLY what those papers described from 40yrs ago- exactly.

            So, were the scientists lying or were they describing the world around them as they saw it.

            Please address the facts. Contrails doing EXACTLY as you described were observed 40yrs ago and were frequent enough to be described as “often” and “frequent” in scientific research journals.

            Your Belief does not correlate with the hsitorical and scientific record. Please explain

          • nomadfiles

            sorry, man. that sounds outlandish on the face of it. . chemtrailing has been going on for more than 40 years so its quite possible that these scientists were measuring chemtrails under a presumption that they were dealing with water vapor. i’m certainly not taking your word for it. as i say i’ll have to examine that evidence when i get around to it. so put a paperclip in it. until i can examine the material myself my position remains unchanged.

          • Thor

            yup- dont take my word. Look at the decades of research- contrails sampled in the atmosphere, replicated in labs…the physics doenst lie. If the air is humid enough the contrail cannot sublimate back into vapor.

            You still have answered: What are clouds? why do they persist?

            Why cant contrails persist?

          • nomadfiles

            my answer to that is blah

          • Thor

            “Why should I answer that?”

            Because it would show what your knowledge of basic atmospheric science is. You claim the idea of contrails persisting is “ludicrous” yet cannot offer even the slightest explanation as to why. Contrails are clouds.

            If very premise of “chemtrails” is that contrails dont persist and spread and never have and if you see on do its actually a “chemtrail”…and its utterly false…what then?

          • nomadfiles

            i don’t have to prove anything, jim

          • Thor

            I dont the discussion to go on endlessly- I want you to understand that the “technical” issues is the very heart of the issue. and if you do not understand these – quite simple- issues then you cannot truly say you know whats going on.

            You look up- claim you know what you see…when clearly you havent the foggiest idea (pardon the pun). You claim “condensation” should hang in the air for hours…and yet fail to understand that clouds are condensation.

            If you think providing valid, legitimate information is “an assault” then you have bigger issues. I understand the info I provide undermines your world view. Its hard to come out of the rabbit hole to face the light…but that doesnt mean you shouldnt try.

          • nomadfiles

            Nanoparticles of aluminum are infinitely more reactive and can easily penetrate the brain The internet is littered with stories of “chemtrails” and geoengineering to combat “global warming”; and, until recently, I took these stories with a grain of salt. One of the main reasons for my skepticism was that I rarely saw what they were […]

          • Thor

            Does aluminum refract light in bows, halos and sundogs? or does ice do that?

          • nomadfiles

            The Evergreen Airways patent claims the aircraft is fully capable of large volume aerosol deployment as “Weather Modification” (PDF)

            “The system of claim 1 Wherein the material tanks are configured to contain material selected from the group consisting of at least a Water, gel, decontamination compound, Weather modification compound, oil spill treatment compound, and a firefighting compound.” – (page 12 of 12)
            http://i1.wp.com/www.aircrap.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LVAP-inside-jet.jpg

            Chemtrails Not Enough: Climate Engineers Now Dumping Large Volume Aerosol Plumes

            US Patent US 7,413,145 B2 – Aug. 19, 2008

            Chemtrails Not Enough: Climate Engineers Now Dumping Large Volume Aerosol Plumes

          • Thor

            alas, Evergreen is no longer in business…but they did have one (1) super tanker used for firefighting that they tried to sell its services for weather mod too…apparently no takers as they are out of business.

            Keep in mind weather modification is not the same as geo-engineering as weather is not the same as climate. Weather mod is not secret been done for decades, doenst use jets or leave visible trails or even create clouds…

            but hey- you could hire one premier weather mod company’s planes to go sample a trail or 5:

            http://www.weathermodification.com/

          • nomadfiles

            12/23/15

            There were chemtrails periodically throughout the morning and afternoon yesterday. The evening had an unusual reddish hue that made everything seem pink, as if one were looking through rose colored glasses. And indeed we are. The clouds, cumulus, were very soft edged and pink in the setting sun. The pinkness permeated everything. It was a little eerie and probably due to the ambient metallic particulates in the air. Earlier in the day there had been a faint “chembow” around the sun, a rainbow that forms around the sun due to the permeation of aerosols. I thought to myself as I looked at this rose tinted panorama: We’re not in Kansas anymore.

          • Thor

            metal doesnt refract light. Your entire premise is false.

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            yes, spamming vids of contrails certainly proves that they are actually “chemtrails”.

            with logic like that….

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            LOL

          • nomadfiles

            Somebody, somebody in authority –judges, congressmen– need to do something about this. There is no doubt –it’s not a “conspiracy theory”– that we are being sprayed. Direct observation of the emissions from, invariably, very high flying aircraft reveals this. Today’s observation, for example. I wasn’t necessarily going to post a chemwatch today. I woke up to find heavy chemtrailing going on. It was, sadly, nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing to write home about. Then, later this morning as those trails had begun to dissolve into thin translucent clouds, I noticed that the trails now being laid were not as heavy. By comparison they were pinstripes. Lingering, like the earlier ones, but thin. And there were frequent interruptions in these trails, rather long ones. I followed one plane. It’s pinstripe trail stopped as it entered a bank of translucent clouds. Strangely enough, though the plane itself was too far away and enshrouded in this haze to be visible, I could still follow its path as a “negative” trail that cut through this cloud. It left no trail the whole time it coursed through this haze, but shortly after it emerged it began leaving a trail again. And now, about an hour later, I observed the same behavior with two other planes. They arched across the sky, traversing several banks of translucent clouds in the process. Each time these planes passed through these clouds, their trails stopped, resuming again after they emerged. Obviously these planes are attempting to fill in the aerosol gaps between the banks of translucent clouds created by earlier sprayings. 11:30 AM.

            There are broken banks and bands of translucent clouds all over the sky now. Few active chemtrails. But ironically the fresh trails seem to be doing the opposite of what I observed earlier. Instead of stopping the spray when it enters a translucent cloud bank and restarting upon exit, these trails tend to start when they enter a cloud formation and stop when they exit, as if they are trying to increase the volume of the manufactured clouds. 1:30 PM

            2:00 PM. Indeed, these clouds have grown surprisingly thick in some areas. There are a couple bands where the coagulation is so great I can no longer refer to these clouds as translucent. They are as thick as cumulus clouds. I did not know that chemtrails alone were capable of producing clouds this thick. It’s like a spine of natural cumulus clouds at the core to a translucent manmade bank of clouds. And indeed, that is a possibility: a spontaneous (or planned) generation of cumulus clouds amid this manmade morass.

            4:00 PM. Three quarters of the sky is covered with a sheet of streaky textured clouds, like a fuzzy fibrous blanket. Translucent but not thin. The sun high in the west behind this sheet resembles a light bulb behind a lamp shade. This sheet of clouds begins to break down in the eastern quadrant.

            5:30 PM. This turns out to have been one of those days when I have gone outside frequently. And things remain pretty much the same as I described them earlier. The fibrous sheet is a little more mottled perhaps, looking something like a frosted window across the western sky. Hardly worth another update, except that it occurred to me that amid all of the coagulating residue of chemtrail spray wafting around upstairs, there is no evidence of recent chemtrail activity. Active spraying seems to have ceased by late afternoon. Since then the cloud cover has consisted of these sprayed aerosol accumulations lingering overhead.

            7:20 PM. The sky is darkening. The artificial cloud cover is shifting and/or somewhat breaking down. And there are a couple of fresh chemtrails in the sky. So apparently spraying continues into the evening, just not to the extent that it was earlier in the day.

          • Thor

            all this from a guy who doesnt know what clouds are made or how condensation could persist in the sky…

            LOL.

          • nomadfiles

            Haven’t seen chemtrail activity the past couple of days. Mostly I have seen short trails. Not much, eh? But when I see the width of the trails in relation to the size of the planes (tiny from this distance but these are huge airliners) I realize that this stuff must be flowing out of these planes in huge billows. I wonder if the passengers on these planes notice. If they do I certainly have never heard them. Maybe there are no passengers. Maybe they are military. Huge multiple engine military planes. Like the kind that rumbled low over my house a few months ago.

            Wow! As I was sitting here watching this I heard the increasingly loud sound of an air vehicle. It got so loud and lasted so long I thought it might be a low flying helicopter. Though I live not far from the municipal airport, no plane has ever flown so low in the twenty years I have lived here. I wanted to go out and take a look at what this was but by the time I decided to do this the sound had begun to wane. So I decided not to. Then, about two or three minutes later the sound approached again. I got outside just in time to see a massive four engine military tanker flying low overhead. It was headed east, the general direction of the municipal airport but it was turning towards the south, which would take it away from the airport. Its destination was clearly somewhere else. I did not know if this was the same plane I had heard a few minutes earlier circling back or if this was a companion tanker following the path of the first plane. No, the plane was not spraying. But it is probably one of the planes. Cargo plane? Possibly. The closest thing I can find on the web that resembles what I saw is the C 17:

            Four engine. Wide body. Flared wingtips, very distinctive. Flying low enough to see it clearly. Cargo? No doubt it would be easy to convert such a plane into an aerosol tanker.

            https://aislec.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/alternating-rain/

          • Thor

            except you could not carry enough material on a plane to “spray” the long trails you see…I know, another piece of illogical speculation that undermines your crumbling narrative.

            LOL.

          • nomadfiles

            While it is clear that weather modification programs focused on enhanced precipitation are being conducted across the country using silver iodide, as recently exposed by our contributor Dave Dahl’s documentary “Artificial Clouds,” and that the result is global changes in weather patterns, exemplified by the temperature changes observed after thepost-9/11 airplane grounding, the global geoengineering program appears to be a far greater threat to planetary health.

            What Herndon’s research uncovered is that, “[T]oxic coal combustion fly ash is the most likely aerosolized particulate sprayed by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and climate-modification purposes and describes some of the multifold consequences on public health.”

            He arrived at this conclusion through the following methods:

            “Two methods are employed: (1) Comparison of 8 elements analyzed in rainwater, leached from aerosolized particulates, with corresponding elements leached into water from coal fly ash in published laboratory experiments, and (2) Comparison of 14 elements analyzed in dust collected outdoors on a high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filter with corresponding elements analyzed in un-leached coal fly ash material. The results show: (1) the assemblage of elements in rainwater and in the corresponding experimental leachate are essentially identical. At a 99% confidence interval, they have identical means (T-test) and identical variances (F-test); and (2) the assemblage of elements in the HEPA dust and in the corresponding average un-leached coal fly ash are likewise essentially identical.”

          • Thor

            LOL- Herndons paper was retracted for poor science – you are funny:

            http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/9/10941/htm

            “It was brought to my attention that there are problems related to
            the recently published article “Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical
            Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health” [1].

            Together
            with the Chief Scientific Officer, Dr. Franck Vazquez, and the
            Editorial office, we re-evaluated the paper, re-assessed the comments
            made by the three reviewers and note the following crucial concerns:

            The value for average leachate
            concentration of Aluminum mentioned in Table 1 and used by the author to
            normalize the data presented in Figures 2, 3, 4 and 5 is incorrect. The
            author uses 70,000 µg/kg, while the correct value resulting from the
            un-leached European coal fly ash samples measurements published by
            Moreno et al. [2]) is 140,000,000 µg/kg. This error invalidates the conclusions of the article.

            The
            chemical compositions obtained for rainwater and HEPA air filter dust
            are only compared to chemical compositions obtained for coal-fly-ash
            leaching experiments [2].
            The author did not attempt to compare his results to chemical
            compositions of other potential sources. Thus, at this stage, the work
            is preliminary since it is not clear what the source of these chemicals
            is.

            The language of the paper is often not sufficiently scientifically objective for a research article.

            Consequently,
            we have decided to retract the article. This paper is thus declared
            retracted and shall be marked accordingly for the scientific record.

            MDPI
            takes the responsibility to enforce strict ethical policies and
            standards very seriously. We aim to ensure the publication of only truly
            original and scientific works. MDPI would like to apologize to the
            readers of IJERPH that this article was published with the errors
            mentioned above. We sincerely appreciate the efforts of those who bring
            aspects of scientific error to our attention in an effort to maintain
            scientific integrity.”

          • nomadfiles

            http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2016/01/19/strange-rainfall-documented-loaded-with-biological-toxins/ 8/7/1994 – Oakville, Washington Details: On August 7, 1994, in Oakville, Washington at 3am, rain began to fall, blanketing a 20 square mile area. Though that is common in the area, residents began to note that it was not water but a strange, gelatinous substance they had never seen before. Over a period of […]

          • nomadfiles
          • nomadfiles

            1980 STATED OBJECTIVE TO IMPROVE WEATHER USING JET CONTRAILS
            Geoengineering – hacking the climate

            Aired on 12/30/1980

            “On clear days, you can often see long white lines being traced high in the sky. They are contrails of jet aircraft. They’re actually long, slender clouds. Other men are finding them especially fascinating because the theory is being developed that those long, white lines may be changing our weather for the better.“

            Basis of NBC report in this 1980 document: State Water Survey Division, ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES SECTION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS – EFFECT OF CONTRAIL CIRRUS ON SURFACE WEATHER CONDITIONS IN THE MIDWEST – PHASE I-Aug-1980

            __________________________________________

            Transcript:

            Clouded Judgment: Do Jet Contrails Increase Cloud Cover?

            JOHN CHANCELLOR, anchor:

            On clear days, you can often see long white lines being traced high in the sky. They are contrails of jet aircraft. They’re actually long, slender clouds. Other men are finding them especially fascinating because the theory is being developed that those long, white lines may be changing our weather for the better. Details from Roger O’Neil.

            ROGER O’NEIL, reporting:

            The exhaust from jet engines, usually seen as long, thin trails of white clouds behind high-flying jet airplanes, may be a big reason why there are 30 fewer days of sunshine a year in the Midwest now than there were in 1900. The daily range between high and low temperatures has also narrowed. Weather researchers, studying cloud cover in 10 Midwestern states, found a sharp increase in cloudiness with the increase in commercial jet travel, particularly in the main East-West jet corridor, there were even more clouds. A jet produces a contrail or cloud because its exhaust consists primarily of water vapor.

            RICHARD SEMONIN (Illinois Institute of Natural Resources): In the absence of natural clouds, given the correct atmospheric condition, jet aircraft in high frequency can almost completely cover the atmosphere, visible atmosphere, with clouds.

            O’NEIL: Semonin says, unlike most changes in the atmosphere caused by man, this one is beneficial. Clouds help farmers in the Midwest by blocking the sun. Temperature extremes can damage plants and speed up the evaporation of soil moisture. In the Winter, city people benefit because clouds act as a blanket, preventing warm air from escaping into the atmosphere. No one is trying to make clouds now using jet engines, but this study suggests that jet travel is inadvertently making our days more cloudy and some day, weather researchers may be able to use jets on purpose to change our weather. Roger O’Neil, NBC News, Champaign, Illinois.

            Thanks to https://www.youtube.com/user/Epoxynous for the video and transcript.

            1980 Stated Objective to Improve Weather Using Jet Contrails

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            THERES MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM, JIM

          • Thor

            Great! so…its just contrails. Thanks for providing yet more evidence.

          • nomadfiles

            http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails Dear friends, The controversy around chemtrails and geoengineering continues. Some claim chemtrails are normal jet contrails which take longer than normal to dissipate, while mounting evidence suggests otherwise. An increasing amount of reliable evidence supports the possibility that chemtrails are real, and that they are being secretly propagated, possibly by multiple groups with differing […]

          • Carl Herman

            6th request, Thor: with all your research, do you find any large government crimes, such as the illegal Wars of Aggression started on lies as documented in the article?

            When you argue that “conspiracy theories” are false, without addressing the larger context of earth’s actual political, economic, and corporate media status of .01% oligarchy, a reasonable reader must conclude you are lying in omission, at least, and a lying propagandist on this topic potentially (we would need experts to walk people through the data to prove this, as this topic is outside my own academic and professional expertise).

            Keep commenting, Thor, and I’ll keep pointing out your refusals to respond.

          • nomadfiles
          • Carl Herman

            Thor: I think this is my 5th request: do you see any government crimes, such as lie-started illegal Wars of Aggression that demand arrests or is your head only in these clouds (sorry for the pun).

          • nomadfiles

            blahblah

          • nomadfiles

            Also it’s pretty cool to have two people that appear to share the same opinion. Why not pull out another sock puppet and make it three?

          • Thor

            So…you and Carl are really the same person?

          • nomadfiles

            no. do we sound alike? do we use the same vocabulary?

          • Thor

            I guess sarcasm is lost on you LOL

          • nomadfiles

            totally

        • Thor

          Here is a video from the same person- much closer to the…er…nozzles…:)

          Please explain how this is being “sprayed”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOqQYbe_E8

          As much as you want it to be true- I am not Colophon- but whatever.

          • nomadfiles

            These disinfo agents are going to post naked videos of planes spraying and then declare that the planes are not spraying! Pissin’ on us and trying to tell us it’s rain. LOL. But not really. ‘Cause it ain’t funny.

          • Thor

            your ignorance is showing- try again:

            Please learn the difference between an exhaust contrail and an aerodynamic contrail. Or you will continue to look foolish.

            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008JAS2768.1

          • nomadfiles

            why don’t you summarize the article or whatever aspect of it that you want me to pay attention to, perhaps quote it, don’t just give a link to an academic article. there is, btw, a lot of bought science out there. this is likely some of it.

          • Thor

            its a research article on aerodynamic contrails…how they form in flight from pressure changes on the wing- which is what you see in the video above as well as the original video …

      • nomadfiles

        BTW, in order to keep your spamming to a minimum, I will only be responding to you on this thread.
        Thor

    • Thor

      “Whoever he works for is really concerned with stifling commentary on this subject”

      Stifling?? On the contrary, I am for as much discussion and presentation of evidence as possible- the more discussion the better as rational people will see just how empty your claims are, how false your claims are and how you avoid acknowledging facts that are contrary to your narrative.

      Lets encourage discussion of this topic! LOL

      • nomadfiles

        Sho’nuff. Who do you work for?

        • Thor

          I work for humanity in the fight again ignorance and stupidity.

          You make the job easy.

          • nomadfiles

            fair enough. i’m no expert. bring this up at websites i mentioned and see how easy they make it for you.

          • Thor

            what websites? Chances are, if they are Believers, they will ignore the facts and information I present and instead will call me names and censor or ban me…thats how open-minded typical Believers are. There is no dissent allowed in the ‘chemtrail’ world…just ask Dane.

          • nomadfiles

            chances are they dont suffer disinfo agents

          • nomadfiles

            “I work for humanity”
            BWWWWWAAAAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA….
            and so on

  • Thor

    Carl said: “This is what I know: I’ve never seen these in my life”

    I suggest you review the material below to see if your memory correlates with the scientific and historical record:

    This paper from 1970 (do the pictures look familiar?) states:

    “”The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight.”

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937%3AAOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    This paper from 1972 states that:

    “It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under
    favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If
    sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus
    may develop and persist for hours”

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281972%29029%3C1367%3AMOTGOT%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    This paper from recent times identifies the specific commericial planes whence the trails came

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JAM2325.1

    This link provides photographic evidence that others certainly have seen these before thru the decades:

    https://www.metabunk.org/pre-1995-persistent-contrail-archive.t487/

    thoughts?

    • Carl Herman

      Thor: you repeat a comment you already asked, and I already answered. Third request of mine: do you see any illegal acts of government, such as lie-started Wars of Aggression, or are government “skies” all clear for you?

  • Thor

    Here is the same pilot filming on a similar mission with a much closer view of the “spray”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOqQYbe_E8

    The pilot actually participated in this thread about his exploits- interesting read:

    https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-kc-10-video-by-tanker-enemy-hoax-aerodynamic-contrails.t2761/#post-78085

    alas, he was trying to be funny:
    https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/1902970_10202468943143748_1397719899_n-jpg.6122/

    • nomadfiles

      Thanks. This is great footage. Serves to prove my point. If the pilots are saying this is normal contrails, he’s lying.

      • Thor

        actually…no. You are wrong…again. This is not an exhaust contrail. Its an aerodynamic contrail. Caused by a change in pressure as air flows over the wing. I suggest you learn the difference.

        http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008JAS2767.1

        http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/13/10847/2013/acp-13-10847-2013.pdf

        You’ve been repeatedly given this information but refuse to learn. why ? Your continued ignorance in this matter is a symptom of larger issues.

        (never mind the logic of “spraying” during refuleing training missions LOL)

        • nomadfiles

          You could be right. I’m no expert but I gave you the links to two people that are. Put this info before them and see what they say. As for me, I’m not letting you send me off on tangents. I may look at that stuff you’re siting when I have time but for now I am leaving it unexamined. It is of little consequence one way are the other.
          question, if you were in the military..just hypothetically…lets say you were a pilot. and your commanding officer commanded you to lie. would you?

          • Thor

            I am right. either prove me wrong or admit you havent a clue.

            Thats the sad part- so spun up in the failed narrative peddled to you by likes of Wiggy that you cannot actually accept new information in a rational manner. Instead of dealing with the fact that your Beliefs are false you simply lash out in anger- a spasm of name calling and spamming. Chemtrails are not merely a theory for you but a Religion.

          • nomadfiles

            See my most recent comment thread.

  • nomadfiles

    260 comments. Most of it obnoxious spamming.

    • Thor

      dont be so hard on yourself 🙂

      • nomadfiles

        CHUCK NORRIS SAYS “WAKE UP”

        April 30, 2016 · by nomad · in Chemtrails, Geoengineering · Leave a comment ·Edit

        SKY CRIMINALS: Chuck Norris Publishes Another Chemtrails Wakeup Call

        Chuck Norris – Stop Chemtrails

        ___________

        Geoengineering – hacking the climateNote: Chuck Norris does not talk about directed energy working with metallic aerosols to weaponize the weather. His somewhat naïve view of the overall operation to produce climate change and surface warming is likely due the intense secrecy and disinfo propaganda related to this operation by people we should be able to trust. We expect Norris will be further enlightened as to the depth of deceit of a climate engineering intended to create global warming and climate chaos in an ultimate attempt to achieve a globalist NWO of population control.

        It’s no accident that HR-2977 lists chemtrails as an “exotic weapon”(More)

        • Thor

          “It’s no accident that HR-2977 lists chemtrails as an “exotic weapon”

          actually it was: http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/

          “When he (kucinich) was made aware of the nature of the “exotic weapons” language in the bill, it was re-written, and when questioned about it, he said

          “I’m not into that. Understand me. When I found out that was in there, I said, ‘Look, I’m not interested in going there.’”

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            oh no not this guy….cuz every storm that forms in the pacific is destined for California if it wasnt for that dreaded HAARP and chemtrails- LOL

            pointing to a screen and making claims based on zero knowledge of weather patterns- must be true.

          • nomadfiles
          • Thor

            didnt watch.

          • nomadfiles

            doesnt matter

      • nomadfiles

        oh that’s funny. here’s the next installment
        https://youtu.be/wM6P_-Czr-E

  • Thor

    Here is an interesting paper from 1970- the description in this quote by the author seems vaguely familiar…can anyone point out the errors in this paper?

    “The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exists from 25,000 to 40,000 feet, several long trails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet”

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937%3AAOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

  • nomadfiles

    [The shill is still at it. Rather than respond to each individual harassment I will simply post my chemtrail review in independent comments periodically and let these stand as response to the this load.]

    A highly consequential global climate change conference recently took place in Paris, France. Several concerned activists, including activist Michael Murphy, attended this meeting in order to better understand the hidden agenda behind the extraordinary drive to pass sweeping global climate legislation. The primary stated purpose of this new regime of international laws and treaties is to exert absolute control over CO2 emissions at both the macro and micro levels throughout planet Earth.

    If successful, national governments and transnational corporations everywhere will be subjected to mandates and legislation limiting their CO2 emissions and carbon production. So will cities and towns, households and businesses. However, carbon control is not the only purpose behind this major item on the NWO (New World Order) agenda. In fact, there is a much greater objective concerning all of their endeavors to foist an overarching Global CO2 ‘Management’ Regime (aka One World Government) on the entire planetary civilization. The following essay reveals those true goals and clandestine purposes in some detail.

    NWO Cabal Pursues Total Dominion Over The Earth’s Weather And Natural Resources

    The most disconcerting upshot of this conference has been well articulated by the following open letter written by Michael Murphy. It’s clear from the various discussions in Paris with scientists and politicians from around the world that something very big is about to happen in the realm of global climate change and geoengineering. Many now question whether it is truly for the greater good, or just another way of controlling and taxing the people.

    5-4-15-B

    When Geoengineering operations are conducted via Chemtrails and HAARP around the globe 24/7 (as illustrated in the above photo), how can such destructive and ubiquitous alterations of weather patterns and climate trends be left out of the global climate change discussion?

    Answer: They can’t be, except by willful blindness and/or deliberate negligence.

    * * *

  • Thor

    yes, the line of reasoning that suggest any one who disagrees with you…and backs it up with legitimate evidence and verifiable facts…is a “shill”, suggest that there are deeper issues within the person that prevents logical, sound reasoning. Avoiding facts, ignoring evidence to the contrary of ones Beliefs is a sure sign of a zealotry not rooted in rational thought.

    Good luck with that.

  • nomadfiles

    Its not just trails.
    https://youtu.be/1GWd_IVqIC8

  • Thor

    Ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]

  • nomadfiles

    I was reviewing some of my chemwatch entries from my five years or so of observing the sky. I came across this entry and I realized that the most unusual day of all my chemtrail watching was the day I saw no chemtrails nor any signs of chemtrails at all. It stands alone. Well, almost. True I was not able to observe all the time, sometimes not being able to go outside due to weather or being otherwise preoccupied, but of the times I did observe, which was frequent over that five years, there was only one day like it.

    A most unusual day. I saw no signs of chemtrails. Just fleets of huge cumulus clouds across a healthily blue sky. And I was outside most of the day. And these clouds did not have the decomposing frayed edges that has become typical, nor were they floating on a sea of gossamer mists. What gives? May 10, 2012

    That extra clear day with full natural cumulus clouds with rounded contours did not appear out of the blue however. There had been a noticeable lull in chemtrail activity in the months prior. That lull gave enough time for ambient aerosols, usually lingering as a faint haze, to clear out so that there was not even that normally ubiquitous film in the air to turn the sky pale.

    • Thor

      you are correct. Ice and high cirrus clouds do make the sky more pale.

  • Thor

    Here is an interesting paper from 1970- the description in this quote by the author seems vaguely familiar…can anyone point out the errors in this paper?

    “The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exists from 25,000 to 40,000 feet, several long trails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet”

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937:AOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    Do the pictures look familiar?

  • nomadfiles

    Here is the answer to one of the big questions about chemtrails. I just think of the amount of material that I have seen dumped over this area throughout the years. Tons of aerosols, applied on an almost daily basis. The same thing happening all over the world. Tons of material being pumped into the air. Not to mention the planes fuel and crews and staffing. It’s the most massive global operation in history. It has to cost a lot of money. And yet the financing of this secret illegal program must be kept out of public records. An enormous amount of untraceable money must come from somewhere. How could such an enormous program be funded “off the books”? Where could such an unfathomably large sum of money come from? Here’s the likely answer.

    DavidSwanson

    ‘Three cheers for Reuters pointing out that the Pentagon can’t explain what it did with $8.5 trillion that taxpayers gave it between 1996 and 2013.

    Why is the $8.5 trillion that went to unknown purposes worse than the other trillions that went to known and named weapons and dictators and militants and recruitment campaigns? The documented and accounted for spending all went to evil purposes. Presumably the unaccounted for “waste” did the same.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/when-8-5-trillion-is-chump-change.html

  • Thor

    The entire “theory” of chemtrails is based on a false premise. The
    theory, as it peddled by Nomadfiles and his ilk, states that contrails
    do not persist and spread and never have and if you see a trail do so it
    is, by definition, a “chemtrail”

    This is demonstrably false.

    So, if the entire theory is based a demonstrably false premise…what then?

    • nomadfiles

      the straw man approach. never said contrails cannot linger. but lingering contrails are very, very rare. if a trail lingers it is ALMOST certainly a chemtrail. if it becomes a cloud it is definitely a chemtrail.

      • Thor

        “lingering contrails are very, very rare”

        On what do you base this statement on? Can you providing ANY supporting documentation of this claim?

        If this were true, surely you could find contrail research or scientific papers or science books, encyclopedia references etc- ANYTHING…that supports this claim.

        Why do you believe this claim? Can you explain what it is about the water vapor mixing with the atmosphere that makes it “very, very rare” for it to linger?- especially in the light of the amount of air traffic

        I have actually presented a substantial amount of evidence that your claim is false. I have provided numerous scientific research papers on the nature of contrails spanning over 40yrs that show, irrefutably, that contrails “often” linger and indeed spread and sometimes cover the whole sky, I have provided 100s of photos spanning decades that provide evidence that your claim is false. I have provided books that provide evidence that your claim is false.

        You claimed you would look at this information. Did you?

        • nomadfiles

          Look at this. I went out on this overcast day and saw a round orb in the place where the sun might have been, its rays unable to penetrate the mantle. But I thought that this orb was much too small to be the sun. True, I’m not used to looking directly at the sun, so I may not have accurate notions about it’s size. This small orb, as it turns out, is the sun. Today’s cloud filter reveals that the sun, without the glare of its rays, is much smaller in diameter, from our vantage point on the earth, than one might imagine. I am shocked.

          https://aislec.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/win_20150319_111023.jpg?w=403&h=234

          https://aislec.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/win_20150319_111109.jpg?w=649&h=374

          Look at that little dot! 11:30 AM. And this is not even aphelion.

          • Thor

            “lingering contrails are very, very rare”

            On what do you base this statement on? Can you providing ANY supporting documentation of this claim?

            If this were true, surely you could find contrail research or scientific
            papers or science books, encyclopedia references etc- ANYTHING…that
            supports this claim.

        • nomadfiles

          i haven’t gotten around to looking at the material you posted and its not high on my agenda it appears to be bogus articles by researchers that examined chemtrails under the unexamined presumption that what they were measuring were contrails.
          in any case, it is of little consequence in the face of all the other the evidence that we are being sprayed. such as i, carl, harold and dane have presented.

          • Thor

            your presumption is false.

            You have no ability to back up any of your claims so you simply misdirect by claiming people are lying when they provide evidence contrary to your narrative,

            its clear you are not interested in the truth. Its clear information contrary to your beliefs is an anathema to you.

            You to have no ability to review data in a rational manner. Cognitive Dissonance must be a bitch.

          • nomadfiles

            Chemtrail spraying is prolific in California, where much of the U.S. fresh food supply is grown, especially organics.

            Recently, California was suffering from an extensive drought while other sections of the USA were being flooded out.

            According to assays taken, here’s a List of Chemtrail Toxic Chemicals & Metals

            Open air chemtrail spraying operations are now live in California (all 50 states and all NATO countries). Independent analysis of chemtrail fallout has identified many toxic chemicals including;

            Aluminum Oxide Particles

            Arsenic

            Bacilli and Molds

            Barium Salts

            Barium Titanates

            Cadmium

            Calcium

            Chromium

            Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells

            Ethylene Dibromide

            Enterobacter Cloacal

            Enterobacteriaceae

            Human white Blood Cells-A (restrictor enzyme used in research labs to snip and combine DNA)

            Lead

            Mercury

            Methyl Aluminum

            Mold Spores

            Mycoplasma

            Nano-Aluminum-Coated Fiberglass

            Nitrogen Trifluoride

            Known as CHAFF

            Nickel

            Polymer Fibers

            Pseudomonas Aeruginosa

            Pseudomonas Florescens

            Radioactive Cesium

            Radio Active Thorium

            Selenium

            Serratia Marcscens

            Sharp Titanium Shards

            Silver

            Streptomyces

            Stronthium

            Sub-Micron Particles (Containing Live Biological Matter)

            Unidentified Bacteria

            Uranium

            Yellow Fungal Mycotoxins

            Source: Chemtrails – What Are They Spraying?

          • Thor

            your presumption is false.

            You have no ability to back up any
            of your claims so you simply misdirect by claiming people are lying when
            they provide evidence contrary to your narrative,

            its clear you are not interested in the truth. Its clear information contrary to your beliefs is an anathema to you.

            You to have no ability to review data in a rational manner. Cognitive Dissonance must be a bitch.

  • nomadfiles

    According to Mark Metcalf’s 2003 book ‘Chemtrails of the World’, the Cuban government filed a complaint against the US with the UN in 1997. “On April 28, 1997, Cuba filed a complaint before the United Nations General Assembly charging the U.S. was spraying biological warfare agents over Cuban soil. While Cuba has been unable to have the matter investigated by the UN, the US has also been unable to have the matter dropped. Before the publication of this book, chemtrail spraying had been reported in a number of other countries including England and Spain, both of which are closely allied with the US military. On April 28, 1997, Cuba filed a complaint before the United Nations General Assembly charging the U.S. was spraying biological warfare agents over Cuban soil.” – See more at: http://henrymakow.com/2015/05/-ever-see-chemtrails-over.html#sthash.mCDdHelN.dpuf

  • Thor

    Nomadfile says “lingering contrails are very, very rare”

    Alas, its unfortunate that he cannot back up this claim with any scientific reasoning as to why they are “very, very rare”. He can provide no scientific study or research that supports this claim. He cannot provide a single atmospheric expert who supports this claim. Its not clear why he believes this as he will not elaborate as to the actual scientific foundation of his claim. His belief that “condensation” cannot persist in the sky is utterly refuted by the existence of clouds.

    There is indeed a large body of research into the nature of contrails. How and why they form, why they linger or not. Type in “contrail” into ‘google scholar’ and you get about 10,600 results. Type in “persistent contrail” and you get 3500 results:
    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=persistent+contrail&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

    This is research from atmospheric scientists from around the World over the last 60yrs.

    I have provided several specific examples of atmospheric scientists who have claimed the exact opposite of Nomad- that contrails that “linger” are actually quite common ie;

    “The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exists from 25,000 to 40,000 feet, several long trails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet”

    (Note that the scientist made this observation in 1970 when there was much less air traffic than today)

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937:AOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    or this observation from 1972:

    “It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours”

    (Note that the scientist sampled his own “lingering” contrail)

    http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

    There are literally 1000s of scientists through the decades around the World who have researched the nature of contrails and had the same observations and the same conclusions. These observations and conclusions are supported by the historical record as well. Photos, newspaper articles, books, anecdotes, etc…all add a substantial body of evidence that Nomad’s claim is false.

    Nomadfile doesnt seem to be willing or able to look at this information instead waves it away as “ludicrous”, “absolute nonsense” and “disinfo”. That does not seem to be a rational response.

    This claim- that contrails dont “linger” or only do so “very, very” rarely and ” if it becomes a cloud it is definitely a chemtrail” is the very heart of the “chemtrail” theory- and as the evidence I presented suggests, it is demonstrably and irrefutable false.

    • nomadfiles

      AN ACTUAL METEOROLOGIST TALKS ABOUT CHEMTRAILS
      https://youtu.be/WmKm36QlG6Q

      • Thor

        NO. NOT AN ACTUAL METEOROLOGIST. A TV WEATHER MAN WHO LIES ON HIS RESUME.

        “NISKAYUNA
        Weatherman Scott Stevens has resigned from WRGB (Channel 6) after
        station management accused him of lying about his credentials.

        In a statement read during Tuesday’s 6 p.m. broadcast, David Lynch, vice
        president and general manager, said WRGB “hired Scott Stevens to be
        chief meteor-ologist based on faulty information provided by Scott” and
        his agency. WRGB subsequently learned that “Scott has never completed
        the necessary academic course of studies that would lead him to the
        official title of meteorologist,” according to the statement read by
        anchorwoman JoAnne Purtan”

        http://alb.merlinone.net/mweb/wmsql.wm.request?oneimage&imageid=5760563

        LOLOLOL!!!!!!!

        • nomadfiles

          There’s an aphorism about the weather that goes something like this: “Everyone talks about the weather but no one can do anything about it.” Well, don’t be so sure about that, especially since several means of atmospheric manipulation have become commonplace, if not mainstreamed.

          Weather modification has been one of the ultimate prizes for technology to capture, especially those who want to use it as a weapon of war. What? Yes, a weapon of war that has been used in the relatively recent past. Operation Popeye was “a highly classified weather modification program in Southeast Asia from 1967 to 1972” [1] during the Vietnam War.

          In December of 2007 Professor Michel Chossudovsky, Founder and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), published an extraordinary paper titled “Weather Warfare: Beware the US Military’s Experiments with Climatic Warfare” wherein he discussed such things as “HAARP was developed as part of an Anglo-American partnership between Raytheon Corporation, which owns the HAARP patents, the US Air Force and British Aerospace Systems (BAES).” [2] Readers will note that two nations’ government-war-machinery-branches are involved: the US Air Force and the British Aerospace Systems. There is more to HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) that involves other nations with “establishments” around the globe.

          Here is a resource for some of the known HAARP facilities in countries such as Australia, Germany, India, Indonesia, Japan, Norway, Taiwan, Ukraine (could that be one of the reasons for the current geopolitical problems there?), and Russia – in addition to outfitted ships at sea. This YouTube explains more than you may want to know!

          https://youtu.be/JqhME0dD5Ds

          • Thor

            The entire “theory” of chemtrails is based on a false premise. The
            theory, as it peddled by Nomadfiles and his ilk, states that contrails
            do not persist and spread and never have and if you see a trail do so it
            is, by definition, a “chemtrail”

            This is demonstrably false.

            So, if the entire theory is based a demonstrably false premise…what then?

          • nomadfiles

            The graphic below indicates an apparent ability for “Radar Hurricane Steering,” which, in hindsight, may explain some weather issues.

            Additionally, certain cloud configurations are considered to be created by HAARP energies and they are labeled as “HAARP clouds.” Here is an exceptional collection of stunning cloud formations.

            Just like the 1950s technology ‘phenomenon’ nuclear fission with nuclear energy power plants, HAARP facilities seem to be cropping up all over. We know that nuclear waste cannot be stored safely easily, so what don’t we know about ELF energies.

            The scary part about HAARP technology is what it emits into the ionosphere where humans should not be mucking around EXCEPT if they want to accidentally or intentionally cause/steer catastrophic events that can be blamed on Mother Nature or an Act of God like WEATHER!

            According to Alaska Conservation Foundation Dispatch,

            This little-known Pentagon-sponsored radiophysics project, called the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is officially intended to expand knowledge about the nature of long-range radio communications and surveillance using the fluctuating ionosphere – the portion of the upper atmosphere extending from 35 to 500 miles above earth’s surface.

            The IRI [ionospheric research instrument (HAARP)] is designed to temporarily modify 30-mile diameter patches of the upper atmosphere by exciting, or “heating,” their constituent electrons and ions with focused beams of powerful, highfrequency radio energy. A household analogy would be a microwave oven, which heats dinner by exciting the food’s water molecules with microwave energy.

            Earth-penetrating tomography is a startling potential use of ionospheric heating. The method would work by beaming radio energy into the Auroral electrojet, the curved, charged-particle stream formed at high latitudes where the solar wind interacts with Earth’s magnetic field. The radio energy then disperses over large areas through ductlike regions of the ionosphere, forming a virtual antenna that can be thousands of miles in length. [CJF emphasis added]

            Such an ELF antenna can emit waves penetrating as deeply as several kilometers into the ground, depending on the geological makeup and subsurface water conditions in a targeted area.Aircraft or satellites stationed overhead would then collect the reflected ELF waves and relay them to computers at a processing station, where subsurface inhomogeneities that trace the outlines of structures such as underground weapons facilities can be imaged. North Korea and Iraq, where buried nuclear weapons labs are believed to exist, would be prime candidates for earth- penetrating tomography surveillance. [3] [CJF emphasis added]

            What jumps out to be focused on is “Earth-penetrating tomography” and “Such an ELF antenna can emit waves penetrating as deeply as several kilometers into the ground,…” which beg an obvious question: Can they cause earthquakes?

          • Thor

            The entire “theory” of chemtrails is based on a false premise. The
            theory, as it peddled by Nomadfiles and his ilk, states that contrails
            do not persist and spread and never have and if you see a trail do so it
            is, by definition, a “chemtrail”

            This is demonstrably false.

            So, if the entire theory is based a demonstrably false premise…what then?

          • Thor

            Any more liars you want to haul out as a reference LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • nomadfiles

            Is Mind Control Involved?

            Not to get a little paranoid on my readers, but there has been a U.S. patent issued that apparently deals with mind control, which some think all the weather manipulation also is involved with. Who’s to say that is factual, except that the patent is “United States Patent 5,159,703, Lowery, October 27, 1992 Silent Subliminal Presentation System, Inventors: Lowery, Oliver M. Filed December 28, 1989.”

            “Abstract: A silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low or very high audio frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum, are amplitude or frequency modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones or piezoelectric transducers. [HAARP is considered a piezoelectric transducer!] [7,8] The modulated carriers may be transmitted directly in real time or may be conveniently recorded and stored on mechanical, magnetic or optical media for delayed or repeated transmission to the listener.” [4]

            All the above technological advances probably add to the sum total of weather anomalies and ‘climate change’ Planet Earth has been experiencing in the last ten or so years. Climate change may be regarded as something that has been utilized and programmed for certain controls by vested interests. However, what will weather geoengineers come up with to control all the carbon dioxide,sulphur dioxide, and hazardous gases released from volcanoes? How about methane clathrates? Moreover, what about sun spots that emit toxic gases and solar radiation directed toward Earth? Furthermore, hasn’t the solar system, the Universe(s), and Planet Earth evolved with sun spot materials over millions of millennia?

            If weather geoengineers think they can control the weather – and to date they have been successful in that 20% less sunlight is reaching Planet Earth [5] – how can they control one of the more influential factors in real climate change, which is the inner core of the planet that is iron heating up with the core spinning faster than the outer planet? Is that what’s contributing to melting ice in the Polar Regions? (Source)

            Weather geoengineering can bring flooding torrential rain in areas by sending precipitation to mimic ‘Acts of God’, i.e., storms like we experienced in the winter of 2014 plus Arctic cold when a “Polar Vortex” apparently was brought down farther into the U.S. mainland by apparently manipulating the Jet Stream. Most recently, tornadoes throughout the Midwestern and Southern states, plus flooding of Pensacola, Florida, and Alabama (2 feet of rain in just two days [6]), and other strange weather anomalies are being attributed to climate change andNature.

            Former weather buzzwords were “global warming.” They have been abandoned for “climate change” that actually may be a man-made and controlling manipulative-factor that is costing lives; creating horrendous amounts of damage and insurance claims; spawning severe financial hardships; generating losses of food-producing land, crops, and growing seasons thereby impacting food shortages; plus other possible factors – some unknown – that just may be the ultimate ‘surprise’ no one expects from “smart” technology, but is being programmed to look like and being blamed effectively on God, Acts of God, Mother Nature, or climate change.

            Collectively, we need to wake up; look up to the skies; research what’s going on, and don’t gullibly accept the fairytales about climate change, which just may be man-made weather anomalies. Everything may not be as it seems, dear readers.

            Three of the most important questions I think U.S. taxpayers ought to be asking of each member of Congress are:

            How are all these projects funded?

            Who’s paying for the gargantuan costs these technologies demand?

            Do these projects impact the U.S.’s almost $17 TRILLION debt?

          • Thor

            “no to get a little paranoid” LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  • nomadfiles

    https://youtu.be/g_xl5-yN5Ts

    ‘How do we know our skies are being sprayed? Because we have film footage of the crime, of jets spraying at altitude. This is the logical end of any argument or dispute on this issue. Climate engineering is not speculation, it is not theory, it is a verified fact confirmed by film footage. Those that deny what they can see with their own eyes are simply not ready to wake up. A film of the crime occurring (in this case atmospheric spraying of aerosols from jet aircraft) cannot be rationally disputed. This being said, there is also an enormous amount of additional proof to fully confirm the reality of global geoenginering (lab tests of atmospheric fall out, climate engineering patents, global governance documents, congressional documents, etc), and more proof is added to the existing mountain of data every day. It’s up to all of us to confidently stand our ground when attempting to wake others up to the climate engineering crimes, we absolutely have the proof to confirm the reality of global geoengineering. All of us need to join together in this critical fight. My sincere gratitude to “IT’S the 11th Hour and It is Urgent” for capturing and forwarding the film footage in this video.’

    geoengineeringwatch.org

  • Thor

    Nomadfile says “lingering contrails are very, very rare”

    Alas, its unfortunate that he cannot back up this claim with any scientific
    reasoning as to why they are “very, very rare”. He can provide no
    scientific study or research that supports this claim. He cannot provide
    a single atmospheric expert who supports this claim. Its not clear why
    he believes this as he will not elaborate as to the actual scientific
    foundation of his claim. His belief that “condensation” cannot persist
    in the sky is utterly refuted by the existence of clouds.There is
    indeed a large body of research into the nature of contrails. How and
    why they form, why they linger or not. Type in “contrail” into ‘google
    scholar’ and you get about 10,600 results. Type in “persistent contrail”
    and you get 3500 results- Have a look

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=persistent+contrail&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

    What about contrails spreading into clouds? something NoManfools says can only be a “chemtrail”- search the term ‘contrail cirrus’ and you get 4,600 scholarly works dealing with contrails that spread into clouds:https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=contrail+cirrus&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

    100s of scientists spanning the World and the Decades. Yet somehow NMF will tell us that they are all “bogus” and lying….LOL.

    • nomadfiles

      Former FBI Chief, Ted L. Gunderson, makes a statement regarding the chemtrail “death dumps”, otherwise know as air crap, on January 12, 2011. Ted says the following: “The death dumps, otherwise known as chemical trails, are being dropped and sprayed throughout the United States and England, Scotland, Ireland, and Northern Europe. I have personally seen them not only in the United States, but in Mexico and in Canada. Birds are dying around the world. Fish are dying by the hundreds of thousands around the world. This is genocide. This is poison. This is murder by the United Nations. This element within our society that is doing this must be stopped. I happen to know of two of the locations where the airplanes are that dump this crap on us. Four of the planes are out of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, Nebraska. And, the other planes are out of Fort Sill, Oklahoma. I personally have observed the planes that were standing still in Nebraska – Lincoln, Nebraska – at the Air National Guard. They have no markings on them. They are huge, bomber-like airplanes with no markings. This is a crime: a crime against humanity, a crime against America, a crime against the citizens of this great country. The must be stopped. WHAT IS WRONG WITH CONGRESS? This has an affect on their population, and their people, and their friends, and their relatives, and themselves. What’s wrong with them? What’s wrong with the pilots who are flying these airplanes and dumping this crap, this poison, on their own families? Somebody has to do something about it. Somebody in Congress has to step forward and stop it now. Thank you. I’m Ted Gunderson.”
      https://youtu.be/gR6KVYJ73AU

      • Thor

        LOL more extremely poor references :

        https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-ted-gunderson-chemtrails-and-death-dumps.t3409/

        “Considering that Gunderson retired from the FBI in 1979 (or 80?), and by
        1995 was publicly making statements about government agencies being in
        league with Satanists, his status as an “insider” with regard to a
        chemtrails program is questionable at best

        There is a video of Ted in the 1980s on Geraldo Rivera’s talk show
        making up stories about “Satanists abducting thousands of children from
        the streets every day and sacrificing them in satanic rituals.”.

        • nomadfiles

          you like metabunk dontyou? i guess that’s where folks like you get your marching orders

          • Thor

            its ok. Its just a handy repository of debunked claims. It has a lot of useful reference material. But the information that proves your claims false is provided by actual scientists, historical record etc…all fully verifiable if one actually chose to look.

          • nomadfiles

            no thanks. its all yours

          • Thor

            Thats logical. Ignore the scientific and historical record in favor of ignorance, speculation, lies and zealotry.

            Your parent must be proud of your lack of reasoning skills and predilection for fantasy

          • nomadfiles

            hahahahaha…

          • Carl Herman

            Thor: how dare you call yourself honest when I, the author of the article you comment ~50 times upon, ask simple and direct questions to you THAT YOU IGNORE, what ten times my asking and two e-mails now?

            What would reasonable people conclude from your evasions of the article’s author, Thor? It would seem you are a propagandist shilling for purposes to mislead readers. You certainly are not interested in honest conversation.

            This is what Thor REFUSES to address, and I repeat:

            Do you see any government crimes requiring arrests, such as the article’s documented unlawful and lie-started Wars of Aggression?

            In this article now regarding better video of spraying: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/05/34-minute-video-shows-chemtrail-emissions-specific-sprayers-refuting-arguments-engineenvironmental-effects-110-minute-video-explains-sprayed-like-bugs-enough-d.html

            What do you see in the 34-minute video at these time marks? This is what I see:

            10:21: one wing nozzle spraying chemicals.
            13:30: one wing large nozzle spraying chemicals.
            14:02: two tail arrays of nozzles (four per tail side) spraying chemicals.
            14:16: one nozzle on each side of the cabin spraying chemicals.
            14:20: two wing nozzles spraying chemicals.
            25:30: two wing nozzles spraying chemicals.

  • nomadfiles

    Although there are many causes cited for cancer, the idea of chemtrails from the air as a leading contributer to cancer, and other illnesses, has not been widely considered. Here’s a statement:

    Added by Lucille Femine on October 17, 2013 Guardian

    The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) cited data indicating that in 2010, 223,000 deaths from lung cancer worldwide resulted from air pollution, and said there was also convincing evidence it increases the risk of bladder cancer.

    In the data that follows this statement, there is no mention of chemtrails as a possible cause among the ones listed; what they claim as causes are industrial and agricultural emissions and even home heating and cooking.

    But, how could it not name chemtrails, even as a possibility needing further research? They’re awfully visible in the sky. Even though they can be mistaken for airplane exhaust trails, they’re not. Emissions from planes, called contrails, disappear quickly while chemtrails are thick and persistent. They also get wider as they linger in the air.

    What is the purpose of these sprays? What possible justification could there for such frightening injections into the environment of dangerous toxic chemicals?

    The reasons given by the government for the need for chemtrails are to control the weather and for global warming. How does that stack up against getting sick with cancer, Alzheimer’s, etc?

    Edward Snowden, the whistleblower on the NSA, has revealed some details. Chemtrails began in the 1960s as a major part of a secret lab called Muad’Dib with Monsanto very much involved.

    He said the chemtrails were not difficult to hide because they were disguised in commercial aircrafts as additives and that the chemicals released are very dangerous, even in minute quantities. He further says, The most dangerous thing is that although chemtrails are keeping the climate of the U.S. reasonably stable, citizens are bombarded every day with an invisible rain of carbon-laden molecules, and the effect on health is totally unknown.

    The Environmental Defense Fund, The Royal Society and the Third World Academy of Sciences further promoted chemtrails, calling it Solar Radiation Management. They discuss an incident which occurred in 1988 as a result of weather control – a high pressure system stalled, winds circled and pushed air south over the Midwest. What resulted was a drought and heat wave which …cost $40 billion in damages and 5,000 to 10,000 deaths.

    They admit they don’t know what the side effects would be of climate control, involving chemtrails, physically as well as socio-politically.

    Dr. Russell Blaylock, extensive researcher and author, says the aluminum and barium in chemtrails effects the brain and have dire consequences from falling into the soil and water, causing cancer and other illnesses.

    Barium stops the flow of T-cells, whose function is to destroy cancer cells. Basically, chemtrails help to destroy the immune system, making it much easier to contract cancer whose rates have soared along with the increase of chemtrails.

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/chemtrails-in-the-air-causing-cancer-and-other-illness/

  • Thor

    Nomadfile says “lingering contrails are very, very rare”

    Alas, its unfortunate that he cannot back up this claim with any scientific reasoning as to why they are “very, very rare”. He can provide no scientific study or research that supports this claim. He cannot provide a single atmospheric expert who supports this claim. Its not clear why he believes this as he will not elaborate as to the actual scientific foundation of his claim. His belief that “condensation” cannot persist in the sky is utterly refuted by the existence of clouds.

    There is indeed a large body of research into the nature of contrails that irrefutably prove that Nomads belief is demonstrably false. Type in “contrail” into ‘google scholar’ and you get about 10,600 results. Type in “persistent contrail” and you get 3500 results- Have a look

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=persistent+contrail&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

    What about contrails spreading into clouds? something NoManfools says can “only” be a chemtrail- search the term ‘contrail cirrus’ and you get 4,600 scholarly works dealing with contrails that spread into clouds:

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=contrail+cirrus&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

    1000s of scientists spanning the World and the Decades. Yet somehow NMF will tell us that they are all “bogus” and lying….LOL.

    Good luck with that.

    • nomadfiles

      Thanks, man. You’ve given me an opportunity to review the stuff on chemtrails I’ve collected over the years. Some of it I had forgotten about. I look forward to sharing some more.

  • nomadfiles

    Michael J Murphy and Barry Kolsky produced two excellent Chemtrails documentaries that attempted to answer two questions: What in the World Are They Spraying and Why in the World Are They Spaying.

    Although the production of the third documentary has been delayed, we now have the fundamental answer as to “WHO In The World Is Spraying”.

    Without addressing the specific issue of chemtrails, this brilliant documentary reveals the “WHO” by examining the JFK assassination, financing of Nazi Germany, the 9/11 coverup – and how the CIA, Mafia, Central Banksters and Bush Crime Family have worked together over the decades to gain control of the US Congress, federal agencies, Corporate Media and the Department of Defense.

    youtube-icon-square-66At 3 1/2 hours, this is a long but compelling documentary. Like a good book – you my find it difficult to put down. As an introduction, a 2 minute trailer is provided.

    Documentary by Francis Richard Conolly

    JFK to 9/11 – Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick

    https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM

  • Thor

    Nomad claims that contrails that “linger” are “very very rare”….and that any trail that spreads into a cloud is “definitely” a chemtrail.

    He says this despite the scientific and historical record that proves his claim to utterly, irrefutable and demonstrably false.

    He says this despite not being able to offer even the slightest explanation as why he thinks contrails cant “linger”. He says this despite not being able to offer even the slightest but of documentation to back up his belief.

    Its really quite telling that he is unwilling to even look at decades of scientific research that proves his claim false. He has seemingly moved beyond the ability of a rational discussion and review of the facts into blind obedience of the narrative peddled by the message masters. Zealotry that smacks of a religion.

    For yet another example of the utter falseness of his claim, review this scientific research from 1986. In this research the author examines satellite images from 1979 and finds “lingering” contrails to be “frequent”.

    Here is the abstract. Review the full paper to examine the satellite images:

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0477%281986%29067%3C0301%3AJCACCA%3E2.0.CO%3B2

    “The results of a pilot study to assess the feasibility of documenting
    the occurrence of jet contrails over the United States from
    high-resolution Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) imagery
    are presented. They are strongly positive, suggesting that 1) contrails
    can be distinguished from natural cirrus on the imagery; 2) contrails
    are consistently identifiable; 3) contrails often occur in association
    with the natural cirrus and frequently spread
    , and 4) this spreading
    could extend the accompanying natural cirrus shield. The analyses also
    indicate that contrails tend to occur relatively frequently, that they
    more often cluster in groups than appear singly, and that they seem to
    show a preference for developing in (near) upper-tropospheric cold
    troughs (ridgelines). It is accordingly suggested that DMSP imagery can
    provide a basis for research into a contrail-cirrus-climate
    relationship.”

    Its telling that Noman will not actually review this information or address the facts stated therein but wave it away as disinfo or “bogus” or some other attempt at discrediting this 30yr old research….its shows that he is not really interested in the truth but only further his failed narrative.

    • Carl Herman

      Hey, Thor: look at the top of the article of the new context you’ve inspired me to write! Thank you so much for the inspiration; I couldn’t have done it without your help 🙂

  • nomadfiles

    http://www.blurryphotos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/chemtrails-848×655.jpg

    Oh beau-tiful for chem-trailed skies

    And fumes spewn out of planes,

    For hoar-y weblike can-opy

    And tox-in laden rains.

    Amer-ica, Amer-ica,

    Fil-tered sunlight on thee!

    And pow-der good

    Each neigh-borhood

    From sea to shining sea.

  • Thor

    Sorry- Carl- didnt see the updated content- to busy highlighting Nomads cluelessness…I will address your gishgallop when I have the chance.

    • Carl Herman

      “Gishgallop??” And you “didn’t see” ~10 previous comments responding directly to you, and two e-mails directly to you?? Gee, since your apology isn’t for insulting me upon your first sentence with “gishgallop” rather than offer any response at all, I can’t wait to engage with your obviously enlightened perspective.

      Yeah, you know, given you commented maybe 50 times since I responded to you, take your time. I’ll take your comments at the new article.

  • nomadfiles

    SPACE PRESERVATION ACT OF 2001 ACKNOWLEDGES CHEMTRAILS AND OTHER EXOTIC WEAPONS

    This government document acknowledges the existence of chemtrails and, just as ominous, the existence of other covert weapons of mass damage and destruction, less visible than chemtrails. HAARP for example. And with my very subjective occasional feeling of being bombarded with negative waves of energy, I must at least consider the possibility that these more covert mass weapons are currently being used on an unsuspecting population. If the renegade forces in the government or shadow government are depraved enough to use chemtrails on us –which there is overwhelming evidence that they are– why would they have qualms about using even less detectable weapons? They wouldn’t. They would obviously jump at the chance to use a weapon that left no telltale residue, as with chemtrails. In fact chemtrails may merely be the visible evidence of an otherwise hidden arsenal of secret weapons that are being unleashed upon this nation and the world. These would include

    directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) …

    through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations

    If the psychopaths responsible for chemtrails have such capabilities, you can bet they are using them against us.

    H.R.2977 — Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in House – IH)107th CONGRESS

    1st Session

    H. R. 2977

    To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    October 2, 2001

    Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

    A BILL

    To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001′.

    SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

    Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.’.

    SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

    The President shall–

    (1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

    (2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

    SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

    The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

    SEC. 5. REPORT.

    The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on–

    (1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

    (2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

    SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

    Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for–

    (1) space exploration;

    (2) space research and development;

    (3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

    (4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

    SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

    In this Act:

    (1) The term `space’ means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

    (2)(A) The terms `weapon’ and `weapons system’ mean a device capable of any of the following:

    (i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by–

    (I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

    (II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

    (III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

    (IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

    (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)–

    (I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

    (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

    (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

    (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as–

    (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

    (ii) chemtrails;

    (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

    (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

    (v) laser weapons systems;

    (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

    (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

    (C) The term `exotic weapons systems’ includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

    • Thor

      This bill was written by Alfred Webre and Carol Rosin- noted fringe theorists who believe in the multi-verse. It was a draft bill that the supposed author – Kucinich rejected because he didnt believe in the content. It never came to the floor as it was originally written- then failed to pass:

      When Kucinich was made aware of the nature of the “exotic weapons” language
      in the bill, it was re-written, and when questioned about it, he said

      “I’m not into that. Understand me. When I found out that was in there, I said, ‘Look, I’m not interested in going there.’”

      http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/

      • nomadfiles

        and your point?

        • Thor

          thats its not evidence of anything other than Alfred Webre believes in fringe theories.

          you probably think its “proof” LOL

          • nomadfiles

            So what? All it says is that the bill was written in a language that was not acceptable to those in authority, one of which was Kucinich. Big deal. What’s telling is they where pressured to change the language. This is disinfo obfuscating information that the cabal doesn’t want us to know.
            And as I say it doesn’t negate anything I said about their psychopathic propensities.
            I know it makes you feel stalwart throwing this disinfo out here but it’s really sophistry.