Turkish Shootdown of Russian Jet: What You Need to Know

A U.S. official told Reuters that the Russian jet was inside of Syria when it was shot down:

The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Russia denies that the Russian fighter jet – which was bombing ISIS – ever entered Turkish air space, and has put out its own map purporting to prove that claim.

The Russian jet pilots who parachutted free of their burning plane were then purportedly killed by Turkish rebels inside Syria.  If true, this is a war crime.

Then – when a Russian helicopter tried to save the pilots – it was shot down by American-backed Syrian rebels – using weapons provided to them by the United States  – and a Russian marine was killed.

Russia is deploying a warship off the Syrian coast to “destroy any threats to Russian planes”.   Many believe this is the start of World War III.

While the U.S. and NATO tried to blame Russia, German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel slammed Turkey:

“This incident shows for the first time that we are to dealing with an actor who is unpredictable according to statements from various parts of the region – that is not Russia, that is Turkey,” Gabriel said, as cited by DPA news agency. He added that Turkey was playing “a complicated role” in the Syrian conflict.


Indeed, NATO-member Turkey is MASSIVELY supporting ISIS, provided chemical weapons used in the jihadi’s massacre of civilians, and has been bombing ISIS’ main on-the-ground enemy – Kurdish soldiers – using its air force.  And some of the Turkish people are also unsympathetic to the victims of ISIS terrorism.Turkey was also instrumental in the creation of ISIS.  An internal Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document produced recently shows, the U.S. knew that the actions of “the West, Gulf countries and Turkey” in Syria might create a terrorist group like ISIS and an Islamic CALIPHATE.

As the former DIA head explained:

It was a willful decision [by Turkey, the West and Gulf countries] to … support an insurgency that had salafists, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood ….

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  • mulga mumblebrain

    Yes, it’s clearly a deliberate provocation by the Turkish Islamo-fascist regime. We’ll soon discover if it is just an excuse to seize Syrian territory to protect Turkey’s friends in Daash, or if the Atlanticists have finally gone raving mad and are keen for ‘..nooclear war, toe-to-toe with the Rooskies’. Judging by the propaganda tripe in the Guardian sewer, so far, it looks like the second.

    • tom

      I think the proper American idiom is “nookular war”.

      • Robert Soaft

        Thanks for the laugh.

      • mulga mumblebrain

        Slim Pickens’ pronunciation escapes me. Time to drag out Strangelove, and watch it one more time-this time as documentary.

  • Lana C

    Russia has been invading EU, USA and Turkey’s airspace for over a year. In the past month several times Russia invaded Turkey’s airspace and got warnings from Turkey. Russia was in this area not bombing Daesh but bombing the Turkmen villages. So, Turkey after warning the pilots to get out of Turkish airspace brought the plane down. Perhaps next time Russia will listen?

    • kgbgb

      Turkey has illegally claimed that Syrian airspace within 5 miles of Turkey counts as Turkish. The repeated warnings that Turkey keeps on talking about are to do with Syrian or Russian planes that are inside Syria. So are all, or almost all, the so-called incursions into Turkish air-space. This airspace claim in itself is Turkish aggression against Syria.

      I would be interested in hearing your evidence that Russia has been invading EU or USA airspace. There was a claim by some civilian, reported in a British newspaper, that a Russian plane flew over the neck of Cornwall, but the British Ministry of Defence denied that it had entered British airspace. It is true that recently Russia resumed long-distance flights that skirted the airspace of the countries that threaten it, which had been suspended at the end of the first Cold War. But then the USA never stopped their similar flights skirting Russia, even while Russia was zero threat to anyone because it was busy being raped (and, for millions of its citizens, killed) by the American-designed Oligarch System.

      Turkey is provably lying in this instance. It claimed to have been warning the Russian plane for several minutes, but then released a map claiming to show its path. The claimed path crossed Turkish territory for just over a mile, and the Turks said the plane was over their territory for 17 seconds. Simple arithmetic – unfortunately beyond the wit of the Western Media – shows that this cannot be true. The plane could not fly that slow without constant risk of stalling and falling out of the sky. A realistic time for that passage would be between 5 and 10 seconds – hardly time to tell the plane to get out of Turkish airspace once, let alone repeatedly. And certainly not enough time for it to respond or to change path to comply. Indeed, if the Turkish story were true, how was the Russian plane supposed to comply? Any deviation of its course would probably have delayed its exit from Turkish airspace, as its claimed path was at right-angles to the narrow finger of Turkish territory it was supposedly crossing.

      Not that we should take the Turkish claim about the Russian flight-path all that seriously. They have a motive for lying, and provably are lying over the flight-path or the duration of the incursion, if not both. The Russian data clearly shows their plane inside Syria at all times during its mission against the ISIS terrorists.

      The maps released by the Turks are nevertheless interesting, in that they also show the path of the Turkish interceptor. This path continues in a straight line through Turkish territory for several miles, and then stops abruptly at the Syrian border. Unless a new variant of the F15 is able to stop in mid-air, turn 180 degrees and retrace its steps, the Turks have in effect admitted that their plane entered Syria in order to intercept and shoot down the Russian aircraft.

      There is no doubt at all that this was a deliberate ambush, probably in retaliation for Russia’s destruction of the illegal oil-trade between ISIS and Turkey. This had previously been funding ISIS operations such as the Paris atrocities, but also lining the pockets of some extremely highly-placed Turks. The self-righteous cover-story about responding to airspace incursions with lethal force is frankly ludicrous. People just don’t do that. It would be very bad for Turkey if they did, as Turkey is one of the worst violators of airspace that there is – it would sometimes be losing over a thousand planes a month over Greek airspace!

      • Lana C

        In regards to Russia’s provocations and incursions into foreign airspace it has been all over the news for over 1 year, I am sure that these incidents were not reported on Russian/Kremlin news channels but, if you are allowed, do a Google search and it might come up. Besides for over a month Turkey has been complaining and warning Russia for entering their airspace and even called on the ambassadors. Most likely also not reported on Russian “Media”. Would really be a good idea if Russian pilots would turn their transponders and radio on. Turkey did provide proof today of them warning the pilots but if pilots don’t have their communication equipment on it would not be Turkey’s fault.
        Yes I did read that Turkey violated Greek airspace and if Greeks would have communicated to the Turkish plane to get out of their airspace and the Turks didn’t abide I wouldn’t blame Greece if they shot the Turkish plane down.
        As far as the USA never stopping their flight skirting Russia is a lot of BS as usual Russia always plays victim.
        Soviet empire disintegrate in 1991 and Yeltsin’s Russia survived in 1998 thanks to the Clinton administration’s massive help after Russia’s 1998 default on its
        sovereign debt.
        BTW, Soviet indebtedness to the US after the 1992 20-year moratorium is close
        to three years overdue, thanks to the Obama administration that has secretly rolled
        it out by another five years, but the interest clock keeps ticking. Shorty the
        Shirtless will face another possible default on RuSSia’s sovereign debt in
        2017. But do your own research on the matter.

        • mulga mumblebrain

          Another Eastern European fascist Russophobe, intoxicated on hatred, because the Red Army ran gran-daddy out of town in 1945. Probably Ukrainian or Baltic-that sort of trash.

          • Lana C

            Eastern European? Nope, I am Brazilian. But keep up with the insults.

          • mulga mumblebrain

            Brazilian fascist then-a particularly nasty breed as the Brazilians learned under the military dictatorship. I bet you’re just slobbering for some delicious class revenge once the PT is thrown out of office.

          • Lana C

            Got it, anyone who has a different opinion or view from you is a fascist. I support PV.

          • mulga mumblebrain

            PV? The mind boggles! People with different opinions to me are very numerous, but not all are fascists. They, however, are easy to spot.

          • Lana C

            If it makes you happy to call me a fascists go for it! I know who I am.

          • Sania

            u are mraz

        • Bojan Jankovic

          really? what kind of a person r u, i really don’t get it. surely, us can hurt Russia on many levels, the question is why and if us should do it. in my humble opinion the current conflicts all over middle east would have been at least different that now, if us and Russia cooperated… but no side wants to be flexible and step out of their comfort zones, to say so. i hope such coop might be possible, at least on a limited time frame and reach (middle east). don’t forget, the consequences of that situation in the middle east affect all of Europe and the entire globe for that matter. i understand both cultures and i managed to get both of them to work for me so on some level it makes it possible.:)

          • Lana C

            Interesting that you understand both cultures and make it work for you, usually names of countries are written in capital letters. For instance, Serbia, Croatia, US, Brazil. Perhaps Russia should change her attitude towards her neighbors and instead of bombing Turkemen villages they could start bombing daesh. I am sure Europe the US and the world will be happy.

          • fredd

            if russia is not bombing daesh why did they blow up a russian airplane?
            oeps

          • Lana C

            Why does daesh blow up Muslims?

          • mulga mumblebrain

            Because they are Wahhabists. Do try to keep up.

          • Lana C

            I replied to your friend fredd with a question. As people are aware that putin wasn’t bombing daesh when they blew up russian airplane.

          • Scradje

            They are what is known in the Islamic world as Kharijites; those who kill other Muslims (as well as anyone else they don’t like) to achieve objectives. Dan Hannan has an interesting and knowledgable piece on Turkey/Putin/Daesh here:
            http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2015/11/daniel-hannan-mep-why-we-must-back-turkey-against-putin.html

          • Lana C

            Thanks.

          • Lana C

            Thank, excellent article. I really like the Peshmerga forces and have been following their success on Rudaw in English Kurdish news). There are quite a few of putler’s propagandists on this blog or perhaps I should call them putler’s useful idiots.

          • fredd

            the US claims isis blew up that russian plane because russia is bombing them.
            so lie number 1
            russia is not bombing isis
            or lie number 2
            isis blew up that russian plane because russia is bombing isis

          • Lana C

            The US did not claim that Daesh blew up Russian plane because Russia was bombing Daesh. Neither the US nor UK said so. The US and UK did say from the beginning that there was a big possibility that the plane was blown up by terrorists. The only reason Russia is in Syria is to support the butcher assad and it is well that Russia has not been targeting daesh as where Russia is bombing is not where daesh is.

          • mulga mumblebrain

            Not Turkmen (unheard of during four years of jihadist onslaught)but Grey Wolves, Turkish home-grown fascists who usually specialise in killing Kurds, anyone who speaks the truth over the Armenian and other genocides of 1915 or any ‘Leftists’. Your kinda guys, isn’t that so.

          • kgbgb

            Correct. The leader of the Grey Wolves unit that videoed themselves machine-gunning the pilot while he descended by parachute (which is a war-crime) is no Turkmen – and not even Syrian. He is a Turkish invader. Indeed, he used to be the mayor of a town in central Turkey.

        • kgbgb

          You seem to assume that, because I disagree with you, I must be a Russian, and am reliant on Russian media. Far from it; I speak no Russian. I am British, and started off exposed only to British media. Because of the web, I was able to follow links to other sources of news and analysis. I gravitated to those which argued rationally and fairly, and abandoned those that I found systematically lied to me or tried to manipulate me, or which censored reasoned comments that went against their editorial line. I therefore now hardly read or watch the Western mainstream media that I used to trust completely. When I do, it is not to discover what the truth is, but what my rulers want me to believe.

          I note you don’t give any actual examples of Russia “invading” EU airspace, and just say it “has been all over the news”. Presumably like the Russian plane crossing Cornwall? That was given big headlines and then disappeared without comment when it turned out to be completely false. The Western media does that sort of thing all the time, to vilify Russia and to give the impression to a casual reader that it’s the Russians that are the bad guys. It would appear that you might be the casual reader that they are aiming at.

          I dealt with the topic of the Turkish “warnings”. They routinely warn people not to do what they are perfectly entitled to do. Such “warnings” are rightly ignored as an impudent nullity. They are also totally unintelligible. I found a recording of the claimed warning, without subtitles. I could not believe it was supposed to be in English; I did not understand a single word. (I have seen a similar comment from a native English speaker who worked a long time in Turkey, and is familiar with Turkish intonation and accents.) If they ever had time to issue a valid challenge about an actual incursion, no-one would know the difference.

          You are completely wrong about the justifiability of shooting down a plane, even a military plane, without interception and visual challenge. Your extremist position has obviously been chosen to fit this situation in a way that justifies killing Russians; I am sure it would be completely different it the situation were reversed, and you would be screaming for Russian blood because of the evil attack.

        • fredd

          like those russian submarines the claim are there but never find them or produce any proof

        • Sania

          u support idiots, idiots supports u, u vote up fasci trolls constantly…
          Conclusion– u want the war and blood only…

          • Lana C

            You need a doctor urgently! BTW, the only one that wants war is putin the shorty.

          • Sania

            mraz, die…

          • Lana C

            Get lost troll!

          • Sania

            Misunderstanding on two legs, shut up
            ur uncle pressed by Japanese, grandpa was in gulag and u are Brazilian , hahahaha…

          • Lana C

            You know what? You inserted yourself on a conversation that I was having with someone on Dutch News which BTW had nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine.
            Learn your history, like the Bolshevic revolution, a lot of refugees ended in China and when Mao took over many that had lived in China for over 30 years were once again refugees and went to several countries. I never said that my uncle was pressed in Japan and that my grandfather was in the gulag (it was the other way around).

          • Sania

            yes, planet is a sphere,
            and fasci are everywhere…

          • Lana C

            You are paranoid! Make sure to check under your bed tonight.

          • Sania

            Jade warrior,die

      • mulga mumblebrain

        Excellent contribution.

  • Did anyone stop to think that maybe Turkey had something to do with the downing of that Russian passenger jet about a month ago???

    • mulga mumblebrain

      Oh, yes. It certainly wasn’t the liver-eaters alone.

  • 5 dancing shlomos

    the big liars and criminal war mongers: usa, israel, turkey, france, england. puppets: s. arabia, jordan.

    in addition to bombs and thugs, death, misery, and poverty, these vampire rats give the world lies, deceptions, propaganda, BS.

    note some of the hired cubicle commenters.

  • HeywoodJa

    Woo woo woo.