Newly-Declassified U.S. Government Documents: The West Supported the Creation of ISIS

Judicial Watch has – for many years – obtained sensitive U.S. government documents through freedom of information requests and lawsuits.

The government just produced documents to Judicial Watch in response to a freedom of information suit which show that the West has long supported ISIS.   The documents were written by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency on August 12, 2012 … years before ISIS burst onto the world stage.

Here are screenshots from the documents. We have highlighted the relevant parts in yellow:

ISIS1Why is this important? It shows that extreme Muslim terrorists – salafists, Muslims Brotherhood, and AQI (i.e. Al Qaeda in Iraq) – have always been the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”

This verifies what the alternative media has been saying for years: there aren’t any moderate rebels in Syria (and see this, this and this).

The newly-declassified document continues:

ISIS 2Yes, you read that correctly:

there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime ….

In other words, the powers supporting the Syrian opposition – the West, our Gulf allies, and Turkey wanted an Islamic caliphate in order to challenge Syrian president Assad.

Sure, top U.S. generals – and vice president Vice President Joe Biden – have said that America’s closest allies support ISIS.  And mainstream American media have called for direct support of ISIS.

But the declassified DIA documents show that the U.S. and the West supported ISIS at its inception … as a way to isolate the Syrian government.  And see this.

This is a big deal.  A former British Army and Metropolitan Police counter-terrorism intelligence officer and a former MI5 officer confirm that the newly-released documents are a smoking gun.

This is a train wreck long in the making.

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  • Tom Welsh

    So those geniuses created Islamic State, potentially a new sultanate that could engulf the whole Near East, just to limit Iran’s ambitions? That is the dumbest piece of “strategy” since IBM virtually created Microsoft (previously a tiny insignificant company) as part of its defence against the appalling threat from… Apple!

    Both are examples of that all-too-frequent blunder: a cure for which there was no disease.

  • jadan

    Pan Arabism has always been the chief threat to western hegemony since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the emergence of Israel. Nasser. Saddam Hussein, who dreamed of himself as Saladin. The US has used divide and conquer in the ME to thwart any Arab unification, which is Israel’s chief existential threat. The US supported the jihadis in Afghanistan to force the Soviets out and it introduced chaos in Iraq. But Iraq was a major blunder. Bush was an idiot then and now. Pan Arabism is now emerging as ISIS. The west is hoist on its own petard.

    • didactic1

      ISIS is anti Enlightenment. The Pan Arab movement is dead.

    • Dawg_em

      Notice the divide and conquer strategy domestic style. Race relations and the destruction of the family is par for the course.

    • brett vroman

      Arab unification? No chance, these countries have artificial boundaries drawn up by the West and are made up of many religious and tribal groups that historically have not acted in a coordinated manner because they are so different with different aims and interests

      • david t. krall

        the open comments from both of you are in agreement…! Yes the Arabs and all of the middles east was just another part of the world used by European powers, especially Great Britain and monopolized and colonized …they created allies and sometime compliant local” proxies just like in North America with its own indigenous populations (Iroquois vs Algonquin) which at one time ruled vast areas of the new and later colonial world in N. America… before and especially after WW1 the artificial lines were drawn with the “agreeable” opportunities and expedient, at the time “advantages” seen by those of influence in the middle east who bargained and leveraged for power and deals with these British, French…and later US gov and financial circles…ISIS is a total and complete artificial creation by US/UK/SUNNI sectors…( what a coincidence !!!) used as a proxy ‘army”.. a murderous cadre and thug militia just like any other /prior cold-war and/or anti-terror ( terror pure and simple–what large counter-insurgency/ pacification op and policy was never based on murder, terror and fear???) op used to initiate and maintain the flames of a “strategy of tension” that will if necessary enable an intended growing “foreign” direct “presence” (active, overt US military use) after the covert operators and their proxies here ( in Syria) have laid the “ground work”…

      • Gregory Eaton

        You do realize that regardless of what you say the whole area all the way to Central Asia which the Soviet Union briefly ruled were all one country for over 800 years right. So while the differences in their beliefs cause tension their unification isn’t some far fetched idea.

        • david t. krall

          Uhmmm…The Soviet Union existed from around 1919 or 1920 to apprx. 1990. When did the USSR rule that area??? That was NEVER one country. What was known as Persia then was known and recognized as totally distinct from what was known then as Arabia. The English and The French were always competing for interests and control in various parts of that region,as were the Italians,. That area was, at most a series of Kingdoms, Sheikdoms, etc. When individuals like T.E. Lawrence and KIm Philby, Sr ( his infamous son became much better known later) and other British “agents” were making overtures it was to make sure they became THEIR Allies, not allies of Germany . in WW1. I can assume that there were also,French and German equivalents and peers here as well at that time, similar “emissaries”/agents like “Lawrence” from France. Are you referring to the time of Peter The Great and the his apex/zenith of Russian Rule???

          • Gregory Eaton

            You’re joking right USSR ruled central Asia. Uzbekistan, Kazachstan, and all those other countries in the Western part of Asia with the exception of the Middle East. That’s why they had so many ethnicity in their territory. And I’m not referring to the Persian I mean the Muslim empire. The Ottoman Empire which was one big country. Actually the different Muslim empires have ruled more territory than any of the Christian ones since you have to factor that the Moors were a Muslim albeit black empire. So yes the Ottoman empire existed as recently as the 1900s and they were a unified people right up until WW1 which is when the Europeans took advantage of their own battles to turn the whole world upside down and into Westernized civilizations.

            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Soviet_Union_Administrative_Divisions_1989.jpg

            In case you don’t understand how enormous the USSR truly was.

          • david t. krall

            The original reply and comment pertained to the ARAB MIDDLE EAT, and my comment and question/reply was asking to you to clarify that. That’s all… no problem. I am very familiar with and know of what you say and point out. The “world map lines” before WWI involving Europe, The Austria-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, all changed due to WWI, including the “map-lines” of the Middle East. So yes, you are correct about that area. But that was not the focus of his comment as it pertained to the Arab nations of the middle east, right? So before you jump the gun, next time, kindly re-read what you are being asked and what you are responding to…

  • wunsacon

    I find it interesting to read the Murdoch-wing interpretation of these documents. They downplay the “cui bono?” questions, in favor of narratives like “Obama underestimated ISIS” or “Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi” or “ISIS in Texas”.

    Will CNN follow Fox’s lead? For a while, it seemed to me like CNN broadcast “ISIS, ISIS, ISIS” scare-mongering. How much daylight is there between CNN and Fox?

    I wonder whether aggregation of media assets has led to editorial conformity and narrative consistency.

    • Abel Ashes

      No one is benefiting from Islamic State’s advance but Islamic State.

      • retired trucker

        actually the globalists are benefiting from it….each insane thing, gets them one tiny step closer to global governance. it is the end game strategy.

        • Dawg_em

          Exactly. They destroy countries that refuse to be their slaves. Then they build up regional alliances (think the EU) and the future NAU. After sovereignty is virtually obliterated, there’s zero opposition to global government, aka NWO.

      • Stockinator_9mm

        I disagree. Erdago and his son benefitted from buying stolen Syrian oil from ISIS. The USA has benefitted by the removal of leaders refusing to sell their oil for dollars, weapon makers benefit from US tax payers buying ISIS’s weapons, and every time ISIS has left a country they always seem to return the sale of oil to the dollar before leaving which benefits the banks. Clearly, some benefit from the western creation of ISIS. Say, is it a war crime to pay for a proxy army to deatabluze a region and send millions of refugees fleeing from their home?

    • retired trucker

      one can only depend on the news to further the agenda of the globalists…..it’s really a waste of time trying to figure things out. just listen to your gut and avoid the news like aids,herpes and vd.

      • david t. krall

        good point…but sheep, ostriches and similar animals don’t last very long….I would hate to be an ostrich with any social diseases ! Things are bad enough ! I prefer to take my chances with my head (and butt !) on or above the surface and still be able to know, figure out and able to decipher and decode the truth from the BS…al least the truth and lies could be seen and determined as understood and aware of…..Insightful and astute on your part !, but …Besides, that’s how we have been catching those diseases in the first place (!), which have effected, affected and infected both our brains and our nation..Think about it ! The very people who claim to be protecting us from Terror and War, and in effect pronouncing their faith and pleas (for more surveillance) to protect us, etc, are the very same ones exasperating and starting this insanity and literally laying down and in bed with, if not creating these monsters (and it would NOT-NOT- be the first time !!!)…I’m not bending over for anybody!!! Especially with my head in the sand…’cause that’s just the way they want it !!!

        • Brett Bullock

          total agree , the world is sinking in a refugee crisis because of this mess , they have formed their coalition to stop it !!! no they were meddling in syria supporting this to try end the assad govt ,

          • david t. krall

            “Something”, some current phase of this neo-con CIA/Sunni/Mossad “war” must have been taking place for this extremely current influx and movement of refugees..akin to and what is indeed, a massive migration, in anthropology known as a mass migration….similar to, when birds and animals sense and “know” ‘trouble” in on the way, very soon or “in the air”. You remember some sci-fi movie about 10 or 15 years ago, where all the animals were all moving away, in very large numbers away from ‘something” they sensed or felt??? Humans are the same and have the same capacity to sense this, especially if and when its THEIR OWN FREAKIN’ HOMELAND FOR GENERATIONS, IF NOT FOREVER !!! And then Assad must have sensed or more likely had known “something” was “brewing” and then Putin & the Russians stepped in ( thank GOD!) and said enough of this crap and evil game… I’ll bet anything, some “big” covert offensive by ISIS was in the works and was going to be assisted by US bombing “mistakes” on Syrian Army placements/locations in or near Damascus….That would explain the how and why, and also the “disappointing” tone of the Neo-con hawks showing annoyance towards Putin how he is now “messing up the works” and and just “getting in the way”…. Something must have been “in the works” (or still is…) that is shown by BOTH this “mass migration” AND Putin’s and Assad’s taking more aggressive, overt, honest, transparent steps against ISIS and the US reactions also to these steps by Putin…It seem too coincidental when you think about it and you notice the confluence and timing of all this in the last 2 to 3 weeks…you see or notice this?

          • AmerizonWarrior

            neo-con cia???? ummmmm you are aware that it is liberal lefty goons in charge right?

          • david t. krall

            In order for me to reply in some of type constructive manner and dialogue, I need need you to elaborate and expand upon your statement. And explain what your are attempting to convey???

          • AmerizonWarrior

            you made the statement about neo-con cia…except you disregard the fact that liberal goons are now in charge of our agencies…this mess is a direct result of democrat liberal ideology, therefore, squarely on the shoulders of liberal dems…can’t take the truth, huh?

          • Tannenhouser

            Get a grip. There is ZERO difference between Obama’s ‘liberal policy’ and Jr’s ‘conservative policy’. The same ideology rules both main parties in the states. The whole left /right thing is just a sham. They ALL play for the same team they just wear different team colors. Reply here with one just one policy by Barry that is ‘left’. I’m not talking about all his smooth talking forked tongue leftist rhetoric, we are talking actual POLICY, you know things that are actually done. Betcha can’t. Truth doesn’t have to hurt eh. Good Day

          • david t. krall

            You got that right, my friend!!! IF, Barry or “The Donald” ever get ‘close” they will be shut down and “done and gone”, if you catch my drift. Only because the BIG inside $$$$ has already “invested in, and “bet on” perceived “better horses”. The inside networks, as you know have become so integrated and solidified ( & stratified) within the electoral side of politics, like a corrosive, unseen ( to the public) and unaccountable influence that if someone came along, who might be able to correct or change things, he would or will be stopped in any number of ways. (hint: we already seen “it” happen) This you already know,,, It’s about control and influence, and here, it’s about about being “sold”, conned and duped and/or manipulated into “signing on” to or “approving ( as if he, Obama has a choice, right???) an operation, that is really an agenda, in most cases, already in motion, to some degree. He can’t always be the last know (!!!) , but we sure as hell know (!), he’s not the first… to know !!! I like your style and your comment !!! Good insight….I agree.

          • lvginclp

            Challenge accepted: The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111–2, S. 181) is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That’s pretty leftist.

          • david t. krall

            I’d hate to burst your bubble, but liberal dems, one of which I am not, are NOT running the CIA , or the covert operations wings of the CIA, or the Covert operations wings of the various military intelligence agencies. And so-called liberal dems were not caught spying on its own Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee, not once, not twice but 3 times ( known) in the past year, resulting in nothing more than a mild slap, more like a love tap, on the wrist. Even CIA head John Brennan laughed and mocked at such things when once confronted and asked about this, and it being captured on film on C-Span ( I saw it and I recorded it), last year, with the immortal words, with a smile and an obvious smirk, “oh… we would never do that…” and that was BEFORE THE 2nd and 3rd times his agency was caught doing so. Not sure what you refer to as “can’t stand the truth”, (?) other then superficial labels and references, if any, without any substance. E.g., I would NOT call Rand Paul a Liberal Dem. nor Angus King. The ability to see thru a lie, should never be confused with or clouded by political considerations or biases. It’s about clarity, backbone and seeing through the maze of political prisms of manipulation and political expediency, regardless of the source of the lie. When somebody has the ability to do that, they are free enough to see thru any lie, from ANY political sector, enclave or direction. Assuming one desires to see and know the truth…not “political truth”.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            and what the hell would you know about covert operations? be careful…posting classified information on the internet might get you in trouble

          • david t. krall

            How would you know what would or would not get me in trouble regarding the related subject matter??? You have a supreme and admirable ability to avoid and deflect the matters discussed. I salute you for this recognized trait. I see no reason to respond further to such uninformed whining. Or some other agenda here.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            i know because i once held a security clearance…have you?

          • decembre

            So, americans should leave the US if they want to say and write what they want?

          • david t. krall

            Good question…great question….!!! that should not even be asked, or have to be asked. But I see and know you asked this person that question to make a point….I kindly suggest you not even enable somebody either masking an agenda under supposed whining or the other way around…

          • decembre

            Still, no answer to my question…

          • david t. krall

            You are right…and don’t hold your breath either…!!! See above, my own recent comment/reply and Tannenhouser’s awesome and insightful comment also !!! That “comment” to me and no response to you is “beacon” not just a hint of the source…..

          • AmerizonWarrior

            do you even know what a security clearance is? wow…reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?

          • Stockinator_9mm

            Could you mishsndle classified, top secret, and above top secret info the way Hellary has done and staybout of jail??

          • AmerizonWarrior

            no which is why she does belong in jail

          • Stockinator_9mm

            Some government officials can get away (so far) with treating classified information as if it’s for sale, their own personsl property, or just not important enough to keep safe. Ask Hellary

          • Gene

            Liberals and Conservatives are illusions of choice. It’s the oligarchs that control both. If you can’t see the truth, it’s sitting right in front of your face…. I can’t begin to tell you how lost you are. Princeton University study the U.S. is an oligarchy…..data driven analysis using the scientific method……… http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

          • david t. krall

            Right on !!! Right on, my friend…!

          • AmerizonWarrior

            wow you so desperately want your stupidity to have substance…but it just doesn’t

          • Gene

            Spoken like a truly ignorant sheeple. Princeton study… http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
            Is that enough substance for you fool? You don’t live in reality, you’re a brainwashed idiot. Keep that TV on, it speaks the truth…lol.

          • Gene

            It’s probably to complicated for your small mind, here’s the study in a nutshell, using the scientific method reviewed by peers Cambridge and Northwestern Universities…data driven… that’s using facts, not your fox news regurgitation.

            “Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.”

            I know you don’t like facts, but shove them where the sun don’t shine, you foolish person.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            yeah keep patting yourself on the back moron

          • Gene

            You keep hiking you’re smarter than one of the most prestigious colleges in the world.
            I prove to you, without doubt, that what you know is a lie, and this is your response? Yeah, I’m the moron.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            yes you are a moron…there is much more to life than what you can get in your liberally indoctrinated college

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            There is much more to life than worshipping Israel and American imperialism.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            i don’t worship israel but i do support that sovereign nation…and as far as american imperialism is concerned, you have no idea what you are talking about…obviously, you are indoctrinated by liberalism which is wholly unamerican….and i can’t care less if you like that or not, moron

          • AmerizonWarrior

            LMAO wow is that all you got? i worship israel and american imperialism? rofl what a moron you are…you have no clue what or who i ‘worship’…but i can tell you this…i sure as HELL won’t be bowing to islam or idiots who have no clue what america really means

          • AmerizonWarrior

            colleges are no longer in it for education purposes…mostly indoctrination…and all colleges are businesses so what they do is for money…thanks for proving me right…you are a moron

          • Hakan

            AmerizonWarrior, you are the “moron” here who believes there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans when in reality they are all imperialist and Zionist warmongers devoid of any humanity. They are all bloodthirsty murderers.

          • Gene

            You must dig for the truth, it’s not going to present itself to you, like I just did. Please wake up.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            rofl rofl rofl dig deeper then because all you come up with are lies

          • seekaz

            You can tune in to nightly news for the lies. Truth requires a bit more effort,
            Seek and ye shall find, faith without works is dead…

          • Hakan

            Liberal goons who follow the NeoCon-imperialist-Zionist war agenda? They are the same shit.

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            No, NeoCons (Zionists) are in charge in all agencies and think tanks and in the media, and in universities and and and.

          • decembre

            Left and Right, do you really believe in thar Bullshit still? Wake up my friend…

          • david t. krall

            I agree !!! TOTALLY….and don’t get “baited” or drawn-in–“right here”… if you catch my friendly drift !

          • Gene

            He must watch he news and believe it, some people can’t wake up.

          • david t. krall

            Gene,
            YOU GOT THAT RIGHT…as I “warned” you…don’t respond or get “drawn into” such BS, …from either genuinely delusional or just “appearing” so….

          • ImBackBishes

            There is no hope for the congenitally stupid.

          • david t rall

            Yes!!! What can’t be debated and denied are many operations and proposed agendas, declassified, & forced to see the light of day by concerned citizens and (mostly) European courts, e. g. Operation Gladio, The Brabant Massacres and The Westland New Post, Operations Mongoose and JM/wave, Operation Phoenix, “Executive Action”, ZR-Rifle, The 40 Committee, Operation North Woods, Operation Underworld ( the first real “modern” -“understanding” and covert “agreement” between pre-ISIS–like thugs albeit domestically, & on a very wide scale ) and “its” mirror- Operation Ohio in Europe and parts of the middle east ( re: Otto Skorenzy ), Operation Paperclip, Operation Cyclone, Operation Ajax, The abduction of suspected terrorists ( some whom were innocent or of mistaken identity…) literally targeted on and lifted off the streets in European cities and put on CIA planes… kidnapped and tortured….Italian and Polish courts have since outlawed this CIA thuggery…This was never mentioned on US media outlets….When a prisoner in a US military prison in Iraq is described by his US military & CIA captors as, ” AH! ! Here is man we can deal with…”. and later is recognized as the leader of ISIS, and when that is the same exact scenario as which took place as described for usage and “recruitment” of people like Charles “Lucky” Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Carlo Gambino, Vito Genovese, Albert Anastasia and many others, used and “recruited” by a network Gov, Corporate, Legal & intell entities ( THE BIG BOYS ) as to be utilized via an “under the table” agreement and ‘compact” for use worldwide in WW2 and later in the cold war ( operations Ohio and Paperclip are the Nazi linked “flip sides of this- operation underworld) )…All this is a mere and superficial indication of the current and consistent pattern and proclivity of creating, recruiting, secretly sponsoring and covertly arming & funding such thugs like ISIS and Al Qada thru a complex maze of dis and mis-information, and media manipulation, and an equal clever maze of dummy and “front” banks and similar institutions and cyber transfers…and use of regional, l “sympathetic” allies (check out: The Castle Bank, Nugan Hand Bank, The Double Check Corporation, Mary Carter Paints, Ron Rewald, Paul Halliwell, etc)….bye for now….

          • David T. Krall

            and oh yes, another creation by the US sectors and jointly formed with a similar group of “sympathetic” allies and client states in another part of the world (Latin America) , a true megalithic and monolithic entity, created and sponsored, based on terror, fear, kidnapping and large scale murder, on the heels of the “secret war” of terror against Castro’s Cuba : large scale covert ops and programs for the formation, “recruitment”, sponsorship, funding and arming in that “war” ( Operations Mongoose & JM/wave– very similar pre-ISIS scenario recruitment ops) involving gangs and murderous militias, cadres and proxies, utilized, armed and funded on a large, wide and massive scale intended to enhance, effect and result in regime change–sound familiar ?)…check out something called Operation Condor…The flip side and Latin American version of Operation Phoenix, and involving 4 or 5 nations….similar to Operation Gadio, but “ignited” in Latin America,and for time, even MORE wide spread, as best demonstrated by the Assassination of Orlando Letelier, in, of all places, Washington DC in 1976…..The birth place of many cold war and supposed war on terror “Frankensteins” …..

          • Gene

            Wow! You’re a lost puppy in a sea of snakes. Please get an education.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            im not indoctrinated into the liberal goon fantasies like you….i actually know what im talking about

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            The “liberal lefty goons” are following NeoCon orders.

          • AmerizonWarrior

            neo-con cia???? ummmmm you are aware that it is liberal lefty goons in charge right?

          • Una Wendt

            =/

          • david t. krall

            That is so true !!! And as much as most may not realize it, it has played and continues to play part in American Politics.The “center” has been “co-opted” so to speak, for a very long time. And it takes certain politician to “break out” of it for him or her, of that, and offer genuine stake, a true and independent claim in that pol. spectrum or “clock. Today, the maxim you point out, could be best represented by Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul and Marin O’Malley, all of whom have made similar statements that have gone against the “flow” of the “war drums beat” for MORE war in the middle east and most certainly AGAINST the agenda of the neo-con/hawks in Syria, The Ukraine and elsewhere. Another example: after RFK was assassinated and removed from the 1968 race ( I always believed he could have mounted a strong surge and HHH’s base would have evaporated or melted, or 1972 would have been his for the “asking”), after his death, a significant number of voters actually ‘carried over” to George Wallace, as a sign of disillusionment with the system. Ironically look what happened to Wallace in May of 1972 ! Coincidence? Trump for all intents and purposes has really (so far) derailed the neo-con fueled and backed “Jeb train” to the nomination, or as arrogantly, early on, self described by Jeb, himself as “almost 45”. Trump, Sanders, Paul and O’Malley are the CIA/Corp. neo-con/hawks worst nightmares. e.g. That whole Cheney/Baker/Rove “crowd” ( more like a major neo-con center) now truly hates Mr. Trump.

          • truthynesslover

            Hillary is no lefty.She is a DLC Koch bro – Milton Friedman Republican neo-liberal.

            The first people Hitler ,Mao ,Stalin.Pol pot rounded up was the LEFT…..

            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/83/24/9f/83249feebf733e0bbd00d82d76df4983.jpg

        • Fazlin

          nail on the head Mr Trucker!

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    • david t. krall

      Great point !!! good insight…I noticed that FOX did some great stuff last week…better than CNN or MSNBC regarding the shooting in Chattanooga…their’s was good,,BUT FOX’s was better while during and after, and it appeared FOX was more out in front with that story…and just to add MORE data to my prior comment…it was also reported repeatedly and with concrete, verified details, again repeatedly that also at least one local college or university, a hospital (odd !) were in lock-down mode and some State run offices there were on the highest alert with intent to shut down and or prepared for lock-down…all reported BUT now NOT being reported…this all for one guy???

      • brett vroman

        Fox News is consistently rated as least reliable for factual news by multiple non- partisan research entities. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fact-checking-site-ranks-fox-news-least-trustworthy-source/

        • david t. krall

          That’s a good and interesting point !!! BUT I was going by the “running” of the story itself and not the politics of it…there’s no real spin to this news-story, “cause” it’s hard to spin out of a caught /exposed deception……..I’ve learned how to decipher the fresh air from the manure depending on the “level” and quality of the news feed and /or the news story itself….the questions asked and NOT asked, regardless of the news channel…per pure politics yes I agree…but with just straight news reporting like/e.g. the shooting of the 2 news reporters about 4 weeks (?) ago and the Chattanooga (supposedly) lone wolf–I jumped around a lot between all the news networks and watch all the news feeds, including the network streaming channels and in regards to just covering a Non- pol, story FOX is just as good a source as CNN….I watch for not just what’s being asked and/or answered but for the “deafening silence” (or for the logical presumed question) not being asked NOR answered…e.g, on FOX on late thursday night Megan Kelly interviewed a former hi-ranking military official about these reports of Intell data being ‘skewed” or intentionally inaccurate…but the most obvious question was never asked nor was an insight “volunteered” by the interviewee as to the why, the motive and who was to be on the receiving end to be manipulated by such “skewed” intelligence data? Megan kelly sure LOOKED concerned BUT never went down this road to the most obvious question… That would have inevitably led to a lot of interesting questions and real insights that the producers in Megan Kelly’s earphone most probably would have said (in her ear)… “DON”T GO THERE !!!” …You know that’s true…so your are right, but I noticed that all of the news channels are guilty of this…It’s as if ( an IF???) that a lot of times, most times I get the clear impression that they, the anchors in front of the camera are “directed’ not to just lead the viewer but how to lead and control perceptions by the level and amount of facts given……that is the hallmark of “news”, now or 2000 years ago…it’s called information control and its the hallmark and feature all of great powers, especially when they have become or are highly corrupted and have the pretentious belief they can no longer trust nor respect their citizenry that they claim to represent…such attitudes usually mask and enable large unaccountable and deceitful agendas… The same for an early Friday interview with Chris Cuomo and “former” CIA official Phillip (?) Mudd…the same question was not asked nor broached, even tho Mr. Mudd did point out an incident where and when he once informed and outlined an intell report for VP Cheney and Cheney directly disagreed with his appraisal of his report…I found that interesting in the sense that it cleverly shied away from the subject matter at hand, and ‘seemed” to apologize for this current reported deception and was obliquely enabling it by Mr. Mudd really not recognizing or point put possible or probable duplicitous motives….

          • seekaz

            I warned about zika one day after it was announced and one day before it became an “epidemic’…

        • Amina

          You are going to use forwardprogressives as a source to measure the reliability of FOX News? Now that’s funny.

          • david t. krall

            PLEASE read what I wrote, I said pertaining to that story, FOX was, for some reason out in front of the others with things not reported, THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I agree for the most part of what you say, BUT I am referring to what I saw and heard , watched and listened…and in relation to what I DID NOT SEE and HEAR for a small amount of time from the other outlets. THAT IS WHAT IS UNDERSTOOD BY WHAT I WROTE.. READ…. what I wrote.

          • Stockinator_9mm

            Why should we. You watch faux. Please don’t watch fox. They lie more than all others. No MSM for me. Should be for all.

          • david t. krall

            I watch, LISTEN TO, AD READ EVERY NEWS SOURCE, THAT I CAN… AND AS MANY AS POSSIBLE…some that are not well known…. and in regards to one of the past mass shooters in a mall that I mentioned above (like WH jumpers, this seems to be a “new found:”. psy- op,,,way too coincidental for so many to be so similar and not to be from a common origin or function, or purpose???) . What I was saying is that while I was recording and jumping and surfing around ALL the MSM outlets, on that one particular story and on that specific day. FAX was out in front of CNN AND MSNBC…i KNOW BECAUSE i WAS WATCHING AND RECORDING AT LEAST 3 MEDIA OUTLETS AT THE SAME TIME…. i DON’T TRUST CNN ANYMORE THAN FOX….AND ANYBODY WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO KNOW THIS.OR BELIEVE OTHERWISE…just “different stripes of the same tablecloth”…..And what ever happened to and with a supposed San Diego area Navy Yard type shooting last week (?) that was initially and constantly reported last week, sometimg in the early morning???? Oddly when some “live footage was shown” no police or people seen, and then it was dropped like a ht potato, as if never reported by MSM outlets….Very odd indeed. and to all regarding ISIS, see my posts here, as well as postS from Dawg-um and Aldous Huxley.. IT IS ABOUT REGIME CHANGE, NOTHING ELSE, THE MASKS OF TERRORISM iS NOTHING MORE THAN A CLEVER MASKED CLOAK OVER AND WRAPPED AROUND AN INTELLIGENCE COVER AND “SOON-FED” TO NAIVE AND/OR WiTTING MSM MEDIA ASSETS AND OUTLETS ( E.G “THE MIGHTY WURLITZER” ) TO DELUDE AND DECEIVE ISIS’ TRUE NATURE, ORIGIN AND FUNCTION. IT IS A PROXY-TYPE US/UK/SUNNI EINSATZGRUPPEN “FORCE” AND CREATED MILITIA AND CADRE JUST LIKE PRIOR INTELL CREATED GROUPS, OPS AND PROGRAMS IN, AMONG OTHER REGIONS & PAST “THEATERS” IN CENTRAL AMERICA OR IN SE OR SW ASIA.( STILL ONGOING) …THE DRE, ALPHA 66, ,THE 30TH OF NOVEMBER GROUP, OMEGA 7, THE CONTRAS, OPERATION CONDOR, MONGOOSE, JM/WAVE, THE MUJHAJADINE (OPERATION CYCLONE), OPERATION PHOENIX.AND ON AND ON….SEE ALSO OPERATION OHIO…..DOZENS OF POLICE DEPTS IN FLORIDA AND THRUOUGHT LATIN AMERICA ALONE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE “FALLOUT” AND “BLOWBACK” OF SIMILAR TYPES OF “RECRUITMENT”, SPONSORSHIP” AND ARMING AND RELATED LARGE GUN/WEAPONS “EXCHANGES” AND DRUG DEALING…AND MEDIA OUTLETS IN THIS COUNTRY EITHER WITTINGLY AND/PR WERE PRESSURED TO EITHER “LOOK THE OTHER WAY” OR ‘KILL A STORY” AND IGNORE IT IN ITS EARLIEST STAGES…THE TALE OF ISIS ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT. A FORM OF COUNTER-TERRORISM UNDER A CLEVER OPAQUE AND FALSE FACADE OF SUPPOSED “ANTI-WESTERN TERRORISM”….

          • seekaz

            You, like me, are going to have an aneurysm. Breath…
            You aren’t any good if you’re dead…

          • david t. krall

            not sure how to take that….I’ll stay alive and share my knowledge, research and insights..tell them to save the aneurysm for somebody more important…thanks anyway….

          • seekaz

            Just sayin’. I’m completely new to the truth other than the 12 plus years of abuse by The Ontario Liberal Party. Through research, and realizing the depth and extent of corruption and control reaches all the way back to Constantine and prior, I’m having dramatic physiological difficulty; In other words, it’s killing me. Seeing you use caps causes me concern that it may do so to you as well as my attempts to enlighten are often as successful as speaking openly to a $7 dollar head of cauliflower that has the “on demand” ability of an ostrich…

          • david t. krall

            Insightful !!! You noticed now that ISIS is being pushed back by Russian, Syrian and Iranian forces and that there is MORE than just talk about Turkish and Saudi troops being sent into Syria, which is totally insane but no doubt has the “blessing” of “others” higher up on the pol/eco/intell “food chain”…What would be the genuine rationale for that apart from the “fed” or disseminated media-driven PUBLIC “explanation”??? Dah ! Because the CIA/neo con-Saudi-Sunni/Mossad axis knows and realizes it is losing and could be exposed via more truthful counter media driven outlets…once they lose the “high ground” of their “war” AND the “psy-op” B.S. program about ISIS and similar jihadists organs, and ISIS gets totally exposed for what it is, the “you know what” will l hit the fan: a proxy, an auxilary, cadre or militia, created, funded, armed/weaponized and sponsored just like prior “organized” gangs, militias and proxies, that I have detailed and pointed out here ( in many other posts) to induce and create dread, intimidation fear, murder, death and regime change and/or assassination to effect or attempt to effect spontaneous regime change by “sudden” but well l planned decapitation aka assassination/ coup d’etat in Syria…just like, once against Cuba, In SE Asia, Nicaragua, Afghanistan and other targeted regions, theaters and agendas…..

          • seekaz

            And yet, with all your knowledge and mine, we are brutally inept at reaching the masses that embrace Walmart as a solution to a decreasing portion of the dream and BMW types that see status as a virtue. The method of destruction is established and permeates all manner of our existence. Trudeau gets elected by promising to increase minimum wage which only exacerbates the regulatory burden that all small business faces to succeed. The intent, conscious or existential? is to destroy free thought and rule by stripping away everything that makes us “human”?
            My wife commented to me today;” It doesn’t matter where you go, the stores are the same”
            The purpose instilled in the minds is that conformity is good yet people don;t want to, so those that are successful buy “elitist” things like pod type coffee makers and expensive cars and build stupid mansions in pristine colloquial areas and allow or force? municipalities to inundate rural farm land with mass urban development BEFORE they account for infrastructure and the chaos and loss of life that ensures.
            Sorry, I’m just saying that we need to “dumb it down” and get through to the people that I curse daily as they rush off to serve the master…

          • david t. krall

            go see my related comments on my face book page …deep stuff there too…I just made an interesting post about the Garrison/JFK probe, with some little known facts and unusual /unique insights..look for the Groucho Marx ID
            banner/ logo box….as a “landmark”….

          • seekaz

            I dont do Facebook. I get pissed of at hypocrisy and start using words like nigger, fag, rag head, slant eye, etcetera because I can and should.It tends to piss off a lot of people that think they are special and aboveniggers, fags, and sluts and can create special “entrances” for crips to enterand so on. Assholes! Can you email me? kve85@hotmail.com
            Subject: Re: Comment on Newly-Declassified U.S. Government Documents: The West Supported the Creation of ISIS

          • david t. krall

            yea..sure…but watch putting that data ( email ) “out there”..just giving you a heads up, ok??? If possible, hold back from your temptation” regarding such terms ( why would you use anyway???) and at least see, if poss, what I have written…if not…no problem……FYI: as of apprx. 8:45 tonight, neo-con front man JEB BUSH dropped out of the 2016 presidential race…..That HATE that I mentioned, many times regarding the neo-cons feeling for Donald Trump has now gone from super blue hot to super white hot….they will NOT forget this night and how “The Donald” stopped them…add his, Trump’s, comments ( “forbidden” subjects) about 9/11, WMD’s and neo-con “wars” for the past weeks and months, and you have some really upset and AT THE SAME TIME, apprehensive “players”… some VERY well connected players….I can just “see” and “hear”, NOT IMAGINE, what “players like Jim Baker, Karl Rove, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld and many, many others in that constellation, MUST be thinking tonight and literally right now.!!!! …I also got the unmistakable projection distinct impression and “more than just a feeling” that many at CNN are giving off some kind of sad, almost a funeral like vibe…I got that vibe from Jake tapper who for a few minutes seemed lost and Dana Bass ( or Bash) gave the totally unmistakable vibe of “almost” getting teary-eyed when discussing Jeb’s withdrawal…it was NOT my imagination. Anybody else notice this???? Jeb’s candidacy was directly related to the topic of this comment site/ discussion forum/ blog and how Trump stopped him and his neo-con backers….

          • seekaz

            Who do you support? beyond your neighbor. My kid likes Bernie, up here in Canada, I like anyone that hasn’t slept with Bernanke, It’s all a fix. The American people are among the last minions to fall yet you brought us conformity. “Oh, they let me out to hang in Starrucks, but I have to be in by 11pm or they’ll rape and strangle my 11 year old daughter.
            Outrageous you say? Nato and the UN embraces daily.
            We all need to choose Masada! not pay tax, OUR LEADERS are in direct contravention of law, there is no “interpretation” of law and no administration “fee” for determining and processing law! Sucks to be you that you had to endure how ever many years to be able to fuck over all of society to fuck us all over and dupe us into thinking that gaudy jewelry. houses and excuse from ch…
            Bottom line is, Assholes rule the world, everyone who seeks public office chooses to rape us descendants that built society. We must say NO!
            THEY are responsible for every depression, mishap, car accident, suicide,
            debilitating taxation for everything. Quit paying FUCKUPS! They claim to “help” others yet continue to help themselves.

            Imagine that all politicians are criminals. think that anyone that goes against the ones that continually raise taxes are hard put and struggling to make life better for constituents, oh yeah, we need to fuck up paradise in Libya because those bastards got it right and there’s no money in happy, shiny people.
            I forgot your original point, but you and me and every Shanna. Gertrude, john and john and Chris and James are being distracted as we are bring robbed. I can’t talk about this anymore. I can’t believe there aren’t any good people left in position…

          • david t. krall

            I did like Rand Paul…BUT from the very beginning I was and am intrigued by Bernie And The Donald…They are saying some deep, deep stuff…Trump being louder but the same thing….I have a theory that Bernie is non-stop and aggressive on that whole nexus and sector of incredible Watt Street corruption ( who, by the way HATED (!) JFK and RFK…) and is slyly putting a lot of “light” on himself and his views to “give himself” more breathing room…LITERALLY…when was the last time you heard a U.S presidential candidate talk and point out the incessant and systemic malignant wide levels of corruption within the US…If he, Sanders, had $13 Billion or even $6 billion he would have been perceived and seen as a threat from the left, a Crusading Marxist, a Rabble-rousing radical independent socialist. I can assure you THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. TRUMP has said the same things BUT is maneuvering from the so-called right with far more opponents and without a known political base, since he has never run for elected office before 2016. It’s awefully hard to NOT see ( especially from some powerful interrelated and interdependent sectors) a man who’s running for president, who has an independent mind, a serous backbone, financially established and an INDEPENDENT WEALTH and worth OF $13 BILLION…That’s a man who likes to be in charge, won’t be manipulated or messed with ( or conned by his intell agencies and their corp friends) , will question things and seek to build ( not a coincidence) new ways of doing things (that is what is his Raison d’etre–literally !) & not part of the war-makng machine since 1945–just the opposite, if not from a practical standpoint …an odd confluence of actual clashing perspectives from a PRACTICAL perspective.or outlook…AND THAT’S WHY HE IS SUCH A THREAT…he made his $$$$ from building NOT destroying…I am sure the CIA/Dod psychological profile on him pointed out and noted this major feature or trait…. to build and maintain bridges on several layers and levels, a negotiator and communicator….not somebody easily manipulated ..he’s even pointed this out to the aghast looks of is opponents, especially JEB…and who is… or was, the front man for some BIG BIG BIG corrupt neo-con $$$ and advisers, which will now gravitate towards, try to take control of, and inevitably secure its presence soon within Rubio’s campaign, like a fast approaching ameba or clever moving virus or fungus……Of this I have absolutely no doubt… . and BOTH, SANDERS AND TRUMP, know of the devious and duplicitous tendencies and manipulative proclivities of very specific and particular powerful interrelated sectors… BOTH of these men are major and perceived threats …I learned along time ago that if you want to point out conspiracies….you are using the wrong term and vernacular…its’ about corruption, fraud, unaccountability, etc….throw that back to or at a person trying to besmirch you with the perjorative term, “conspiracy theorist” which is used by MSM mouth pieces, Flat-world 2 dimension “believers” and those who naively subscribe to a random, chance/ happenstance, whimful view of history and human events…..

          • seekaz

            No one who “Hates” runs for office, Only psychopaths that have some distorted view of a “united” Coka Cola/Pepsi vision of society, us and them, centuries distorted elitism that has molded us all into those that seek to escape. Cause and effect. Greedy, powerful, elitist that raped and pillaged and stole humanity are the causal result of depression, suicide, murder, “stupidity”; The world is run by idiots that have somehow convinced us that death and destruction is, at the very least. something to overlook.
            God didn’t allow this to happen, we, as Gods, failed to prevent it.
            The “bullies” on the playground have all the gold and intend to wipe us out like zika mosquitoes.
            Rich is not good or something to strive for. Gawdy mansions popping up, and windmills and solar panels are “in your face”
            It’s all distrctionist bullshit to make us forget each other, all of it…

    • Gilda Morkert

      I find it interesting too. Nowhere in these so-called documents does it say the USA supports ISIS.

      • Stockinator_9mm

        18 months of trying to bomb ISIS but our smart bombs only hit Syrian military targets, syrian power grids, food grains, water treatment facilities…. we watched them roll from lybia to bagdad in a convoy… we did nothing. Why do you need to see documents?

      • Hassan Nasrallah

        It doesn’t have to openly say it, their policies speak for themselves.

    • AmerizonWarrior

      what are you saying? that the threat of isis and other islamic terror groups is ‘misinterpreted’? some clarification pls

    • AmerizonWarrior

      what are you saying? that the threat of isis and other islamic terror groups is ‘misinterpreted’? some clarification pls

  • berger friedrich-wolfgang

    Currently running “CYBER – ATTACK” on “Chinese Media – Outlets” , “en.peoplesdaily.cn” & “GLOBAL TIMES” !!!

  • cityspeak

    It is also well documented that Israel fed Hamas in its infancy.
    Strange how these two “enlightened exceptional democracies” nurture monsters and use them for their own nefarious purposes.
    I suppose all those victims of beheadings and car bombings are just more collateral damage in the ultimate chess game.

    America, all the wrong people are in prison.

    • Abel Ashes

      Israel funded Hamas charities before Hamas conducted any terrorist attacks. Israel has lived to regret that decision. Trusting religious groups is always a bad idea. If it were possible to ban all of the observant Jews and Islamist Muslims from politics in the so-called “Holy Land” there would peace and equality in Israel/Palestine.

      • Hassan Nasrallah

        Israel considers anyone who fights against the occupiers a terorist. Before Hamas even existed, Arafat was also a terrorist, wasn’t he?

      • Dawg_em

        Their ignorance is in believing they can create a monster to overthrow their enemies. Is Assad more radical than ISIS? Hardly.

        • david t. krall

          You got that right !!!

  • You’re reading this completely wrong. The document is talking about what the administration fears, not what it hopes for, which is in the last point, the survival of the Baghdad regime.

    ISIS existed long before the document was written; it was founded under conditions created by the Bush administration in Camp Bucca in 2004. It’s true that our closest “allies” (e.g. Saudi Arabia and Turkey) fail to oppose it. Thanks, Bush, for fixing us up with such crappy allies. But the idea that the Obama administration supports it is just dumb or crazy and not shown by this evidence in any way.

  • Southern

    Thanks for clarifying this – The roots of ISIS can be found in this the article Creating an “Arc of Crisis”: The Destabilization of the Middle East and Central Asia

    • Bill Rood

      Yes. Originally, creation of the “Arc of Crisis” was proposed by Bernard Lewis as a means to divide and rule, which has always been the British Empire’s mody operandi, and Zbigniew Brzezinski wanted to create an “Arc of Crisis” all along the southern border of the USSR and later, Russia.

      Except for Afghanistan, the “Arc of Crisis” hasn’t been all that successful as far as creating instability to Russia’s south, and it hasn’t been all that successful in promoting Anglo-American hegemony either. However, it has been wildly successful in perpetuating the “arc of instability” that justifies US military spending, so the MIC is quite well satisfied with the policies whether the broader interests and security of the British and American people are served well by the policy or not.

    • Bill Rood

      Yes. Originally, creation of the “Arc of Crisis” was proposed by Bernard Lewis as a means to divide and rule, which has always been the British Empire’s mody operandi, and Zbigniew Brzezinski wanted to create an “Arc of Crisis” all along the southern border of the USSR and later, Russia.

      Except for Afghanistan, the “Arc of Crisis” hasn’t been all that successful as far as creating instability to Russia’s south, and it hasn’t been all that successful in promoting Anglo-American hegemony either. However, it has been wildly successful in perpetuating the “arc of instability” that justifies US military spending, so the MIC is quite well satisfied with the policies whether the broader interests and security of the British and American people are served well by the policy or not.

      • Southern

        There are many different aspects to this, like from the moment that a large numbers of prisoners on death row in S.A. were given the ultimatum for joining the FSA or decline and face certain execution.

        Too often regions are deliberately being exploited by greedy individuals and mixed into politics.

        Interesting to note that Daesh only ever appear to be attacking the traditional enemies of the Zionist.

        Daesh are like another Gladio, but on steroids.

        Check this out – letter from Raqqa

        • Bill Rood

          prisoners on death row in S.A. were given the ultimatum for joining the FSA or decline and face certain execution.

          I wasn’t aware of that, but it doesn’t surprise me. They are also most likely to be extremely violent.

          • Southern

            Not saying they’re innocent little sheep, people receive death sentences in S.A. for what we consider misdemeanors in other parts of the world, this is where we may find that the ruling class of S.A. has the same ideology as that of Daesh.

            http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabia-death-row-inmates-sent-to-fight-assad-in-syria/5349416

          • Bill Rood

            Right. Adultery and such. But I’m sure they don’t limit their offer to people who shouldn’t be executed (or even in prison) anyway.

        • david t. krall

          OH man, I was scrolling down and saw you comment !!! The one sentence , fifth paragraph..another Gladio is PERFECT ! . Amen…others see this crap too. The mind bending, perception “molding” manipulation and dis/misinformation regarding ISIS is right out of “The Mighty Wurlitzer”. You know this !. From all that I am seeing and hearing, watching and listening since, ( at least since Friday & now “escalated) is the strong indication that I “suspect” ” Operation Gladio is been “re-turned on” or “re-plugged in”. Just like in SE Asia, This “war” in Syria is BIG ($$$) and a major/mega “investment” and agenda for some very powerful and interested sectors. And ISIS is their “poster” front line nazi-brown shirt-like militia/ cadre. Just dressed with a different “flavor” and location…but the same use and function as prior proxy armies to enhance regime change and spreading fear and terror to enhance that result.

  • didactic1

    It’s all about israel, the sunni powers like Saudi A and Egypt versus the Iran coaltion of syria, lebanon, hiszobollah and the effective shia groups in Iraq. We are distracted by the obscene gratuitous slaughters by ISIS, but in the end, Iran or Israel/Egypt/Riyadh will win.

    In retrospect, the US should have cut a deal with the Russians, Iran and Assad back when that revolt broke out. Why didnt the US?

  • DeltaV

    The documents say that the elements which would coalesce into ISIS were a “grave danger in regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.” This is a fairly accurate warning about a potential ISIS.

    Apparently the basis of this article (and its title) that the US understood the very real potential for ISIS formation but persisted in supporting certain of those elements. However, the portion about the powers supporting the future-ISIS elements is listed in that actual declassified document as an assumption.

    My recollection is that there was a call for support, and President Obama placed an unconditional “Red Line” that would result in US action that would be supportive of anti-regime efforts, but that President Obama failed to back that threat once the line was crossed. So, did the West actually support the anti-regime forces, and in particular the elements that became ISIS? It would be interesting to know, but that information is not contained in this article.

    • david t. krall

      Keep in mind how IKE was duped and deceived about the growing threat in Cuba, against Castro and how that grew and grew, regarding growing and escalating.covert operations against Cuba at that particular time…He initially ONLY authorized a small insurgent group (or groups) of only about 30 to 35 (I believe he later mentioned a specific number, 33) and how that grew and grew like “a runaway train” aka “bureaucratic momentum” vs what was perceived and believed to be authorized by the President (IKE) and his closest advisors at the time…His successor was neither expected to win his party’s nomination nor the election (!) was conveniently (by those designing and planning the plan, program and operations) and basically handed, more like “shoved in his face”, a “carte-blanche” operation that was “sold” as fool–proof,(bay of pigs) all the while known and realized as intentionally flawed, ONLY to be used, all-along (!) as a “fuse” or “trip-wire”, to send/directly in heavy amounts of US armed personnel and US fire-power…He, JFK, said NO and even went on TV and said so, and in spite this, and him (JFK) -NOT- falling for that ruse, these same elements continued to gather robust amounts of even more “bureaucratic momentum” to further the “war” against Castro and their pre-ISIS-like covert program of a massive and very clever and secret recruitment. funding , training and support operations. e.g. Operations Mongoose, JM/Wave and some ONI Task Forces, among others. These recruitment/ funding /training and support operations for nearby exiled and/or or indigenous networks, “local groups” that were any but “freedom fighters”…very far from it…all this sound familiar??? These “freedom fighters” carried out and attempted to carry out large amounts of what would be called TERROR,and considered as such THEN and today…All across Latin America, and here in places like Miami and New York City and of course in Dallas on 11/22/63…the ultimate inward blowback (!!!) from these secret wars and programs then….sound familiar…Cuba then…Syria now…just a different time and place, but within the same paradigm of covert warfare using “worst of the worst” in playing chess with the fate of nations…including our own…..

      • stevor

        as to the ones “recruiting/supplying/training/arming/sponsoring”, it seems to be the CIA/Mossad from what I’ve read.

        • david t. krall

          Yea! in regards to ISIS…and UK intell as well…NATO is handling the “other end” in Turkey, which is the “new” covert intell recruitment “gateway to ISIS and The CIA/Dod/Mossad/Saudi/UK intell “configuration”…NATO is just another close finger or extremity of the same hand…these guys all rub shoulders together in some way, especially if and when part of the same deep covert duplicitous operation involving “so-called” “freedom fighters” or supposedly anti-western (but actually just the opposite-Sunni/Saudi backed big-time !) “terrorists”…

          I used to like John McCain. I didn’t always agree with him but he seemed like a straight shooter BUT now (!) he is either a fool or a complicit liar..or parts of both, regarding ISIS and parts of AlQada…It is pure and simple a CIA/Dod/Saudi/Mossad/UK operation and program regarding ISIS.and now I suspect parts of AlQada…..Saudi, Jordanian and UAE training camps and I suspect also parts of Turkey, run and manged by US/UK/Mossad/Saudi agents and officers ..How is it, that on one hand we keep hearing about Turkey being this gateway for ISIS sympathizers , going to Syria or Iraq, thru Turkey…but mostly to Syria, but then we are also told that Turkey is a big part of NATO, is a huge US ally …and/ BUT (!) it must be realized and it is a reality, that there is and has been for very long time a large US military and US intell presence there. That is an inescapable and undeniable fact. .
          Does this not appear or sound somewhat contradictory??? and illusory??? As if or like some scam or shell-game is in play here??? Like a street corner game of marked cards or loaded dice, or 3-card monty, intended to fool and deceive??? Like some clever con-game going on???… It is really the same exact thing (!)…THE SAME EXACT THING.. .being repeated again as what took place prior in the Caribbean, Southern parts of the USA, Mexico, Nicaragua, and Guatemala , etc, in relation to MASSIVE and HUGE covert operations and programs (e.g. Operation Mongoose, Jm/Wave, etc, and later Operation Condor) all under the banner of secrecy, plausible deniability and “national security”.regarding a covert but loud “Jihad” against Castro’s Marxist Cuba…now Assad, then Castro….Next- Iran??? A self-induced, false-generated agenda of lies and embellishments…the truth and reality is about OIL, $$$ And other natural resources…and Syria… and Iran cannot be “shaken” from this agenda…no matter what the President wants…or any president or his Sec of State, in spite of those talks almost being indefinitely suspend supposedly due to a bike accident and broke femur on May 31st… All of this sound familiar??? The duplicity has become so wide-spread that it was even (possibly???) cover up, and not even touched or broached by the press and media about reports that I suspect may not have been that far-fetched or off the mark, that Sec. of State John Kerry was the recipient of some altercation on 5/31, that had NOTHING to do with a bike accident or a broken femur…Things have gotten so bad that now, when a official is attacked, it is not just “covered up” with SOME minimal and “avoided” explanation but now with a “blanket-press and media” black-out to go with that “explanation” :-no medical. no State Dept, no WH, statements…not even a peep, or a word, let alone or even a syllable, glance or even a shadow of, for from his wife, grown children or Doctor or any Dr, but especially, the one who dropped everything at a moments notice, and had to secure some private and/or US military plane..then fly 1000’s of miles for several hours, and within 24 hours, with Sec. Kerry, flies back on a return trip, again within 24 hours. for 1000’s of miles and several hours before going to Boston with very little, if any press showing or being allowed to show any curiosity. No statement from him, this Doctor??? Sound odd to you too? Any such explanation, about even near what really transpired, versus /or without a “blackout” would have brought too many questions… so a “broken femur” story was disseminated, flooded and fed to media and press outlets. That’s my take on that, plus how, what and why the initial news feeds and initial public “narrative” were actually reporting about some accident early on, that day and what was emphasized the next day by State Dept Spokesman John Kirby with almost obsessive and repetitive emphasis, ” he’s not in any danger,…he never lost consciousness…he’ was and is not in any danger…he never lost…” ….and on and on, to Andrea Mitchell and later to Wolf Blitzer..I watched this and saw this odd emphasis.You get the point and picture here…
          What is happening in Syria (and Iraq) is nothing more that hypocritical and duplicitous straight out terrorism…what are the supposed “moderates” (if one is to accept that label here) doing in Syria?…playing cards and checkers??? Backgammon ??? hop-scotch??? Why the obsession with Assad? $$$ and OIL !!! it is as simple as that… and to drive and have a permanent wedge separating it from Iran…But these war freaks are so delusional they even deny to themselves two big things in their way:
          RUSSIA AND CHINA….that’s how crazy they really are…utterly delusional, and short-sighted…
          It is an agenda and end game, now being “moved along” & rushed to circumvent the “air pf peace” with Iran, that could upset this game/agenda of the neo-con hawks and chicken hawks, and delusional war-freaks and, holders of defense based business financial portfolios and investments…Last year at a symposium of Business, Economic . and Political leaders in Moscow more than a few speakers mentioned and stated very succinctly and accurately, called what is happening across parts of the Middle East, “Artificial Waves of Terror”…I could not have said it better…

  • Valeria Damiroxa

    The “game” is to create necessary “challenges to U.S. global responsibility” to stage and ignite the “dangers” that require the protection of international security by the USA: Keep the Europeans and Russia afraid of advancing islamist extremism, provide the rational to extend NATO across Africa, and even coax the South American to join the U.S. controlled “global security architecture”. The Saudis and Quatar finance ISIS and Turkey provides the rearguard platform. The unemployable hillbillies who are shipped out from Appalachia as “Special Forces” and return unstable or invalid are “collateral damage”. Just follow follow the “Wolfowitz” plan!

  • Aldous Huxley

    Yet another ‘conspiracy theory’ becomes proven fact. the reality is that the fascists at the CIA helped create the groups that became Al-Qaeda and the Taliban to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. We encouraged these groups to go to Chechnya and continue bothering the Russians. We took the side of the Islamist KLA, against the Christian Serbs, in the Kosovo War. We illegally armed listed terrorist organization Ansar Al-Sharia in Libya to eliminate Ghaddafi. The USA has not-so-‘secretly’ always been an integral part of the terrorism problem we publicly pretend to oppose. Islamist terrorists are a tool the US is using to exert its neo-colonialism in te Middle East and Afghanistan.

    • Aldous Huxley

      I’ll add a little documentation to the above summary:

      Libya first:

      The real Benghazi scandal is this:

      Spring 2011 – The US Administration begins sending arms to various rebel groups in Libya to inflict regime change.

      April 2011 – “Mahmoud Jibril, then the prime minister of the Libyan transitional government, expressed frustration to administration officials that the United States was allowing Qatar to arm [using US arms and aid $$] extremist groups opposed to the new leadership…” – NY Times

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

      October 4, 2012 – Ansar Al-Sharia in Libya is removed from the US list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations when it is discovered that they have been receiving US arms. The pretense is that the Libya branch is somehow separate and distinct from the AAS in the Maghreb branch.

      January 14th, 2014 – The Obama Administration finally put Ansar Al-Sharia in Libya back on the US list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

      Sources:

      “On 4 October 2012, the United States State Department amended its list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations to designate [Jaamat] Ansar Al-Sharia (AAS) in Yemen as an alias for Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, rather than listing it as a separate organisation.” –[wiki]

      “In October, Tunisian Prime Minister Ali Larayedh told Reuters that the AASchapters in Libya and Tunisia are in league with AQIM. “There is a relation between leaders of AAS[Tunisia], al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and AASin Libya,” Larayedh said. “We are coordinating with our neighbors over that. AASTunisia orchestrated the assault on the US Embassy in Tunis on Sept. 14, 2012, just three days after members of AASLibya took part in the Benghazi attack.” -LongWarJournal

      http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/11/ansar_al_sharia_batt.php#ixzz2qV0N2pWx

      400 surface to air missiles that had gone missing:

      http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/benghazi-was-about-400-surface-air-missiles-stolen-some-very-ugly-people-digenova-says

      “Stevens’ mission in Benghazi, they will say, was to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department, not by the CIA. Such a mission would usually be a CIA effort, but the intelligence agency had opposed the idea because of the high risk involved in arming “insurgents” with powerful weapons that endanger civilian aircraft.”-NRO

      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349231/stingers-benghazi-jim-geraghty

      Conclusion:

      So Obama illegally gave weapons to the known terrorist organization Ansar Al-Sharia and covered it up. Then he sent Stevens to recover some of the most dangerous weapons they got – 400 MANPAD surface to air missiles. Instead Stevens and 3 others are killed by Ansar Al-Sharia, and Obama covered it up by pretending the attack was related to a video and not terrorist arms dealing.

      The traditional Republicans like John McCain, and their media attack dogs helped Obama cover it up by creating a smokescreen scandal about who said what when about the video vs terrorism, but neglecting the real scandal – illegally arming terrorists. They wanted to embarrass the administration, but not draw the nation into another impeachment debate over illegally arming terrorists (even though Reagan’s illegal arming of Contra rebels did not result in impeachment), not because it didn’t warrant impeachment but because they wanted to continue to arm terrorists in Syria next:

      Meanwhile both US parties quietly left the French alone, to mop up the spillover of armed terrorists from Libya into Mali – the Taureg Rebellion. And they left the additional spillover of Libyan arms to the Boko Haram terrorists in Nigeria completely unanswered… apparently because black lives don’t matter…. All that mattered tho them was destabilizing more Middle Eastern countries.

      Both Parties suck.

      • Robert Zraick

        Yes. We destroyed Libya. It was doing quite well until Kaddafi made the fatal error of wanting to challenge the fiat U.S. petrodollar, and establish a bank which would allow his country’s oil to be sold for gold rather than fake U.S. paper.

        His throat was slit by proxy. The assassins were the Western Central Banks. The bankers will gladly use ISIS or anyone else who will defend their power. They have no morality.

      • Doc Nova

        Honest question – what happened to all the gold Qhaddafi had amassed, reportedly up to $40B?

        • Aldous Huxley

          I have no idea.

          • EmilyEnso

            Not only the US.
            Here is Soros up to his vile games again.
            Have you seen this?

            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-01/hacked-emails-expose-george-soros-ukraine-puppet-master

          • Aldous Huxley

            I had not seen that. Any indications that Soros’s ‘recommendations’ are being implemented?

            Thanks for the heads up!

          • EmilyEnso

            I’ll keep an eye out.
            Did you see the Macedonian item – Roberts stable?
            That is very interesting – a coup no less. A second Ukraine.
            And notice the use of islamic terror.
            Again.

    • Aldous Huxley

      Syria next:

      Not only was the US giving billions per year in arms and aid to Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who were in turn giving billions per year in arms and aid to terrorists in Libya. The US CIA was also directly arming terrorists rebels groups in Syria. Here is a snapshot:

      Two of the main rebel groups receiving weapons from the United States to fight both the regime and jihadist groups in Syria have surrendered to al-Qaeda.

      The US and its allies were relying on Harakat Hazm and the Syrian Revolutionary Front to become part of a ground force that would attack the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).

      For the last six months the Hazm movement, and the SRF through them, had been receiving heavy weapons from the US-led coalition, including GRAD rockets and TOW anti-tank missiles.

      But on Saturday night Harakat Hazm surrendered military bases and weapons supplies to Jabhat al-Nusra, when the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria stormed villages they controlled in northern Idlib province

      In Idlib, Harakat Hazm gave up their positions to Jabhat al-Nusra “without firing a shot”, according to some reports, and some of the men even defected to the jihadists.

      In Aleppo, where Harakat Hazm also has a presence, the group has survived, but only by signing a ceasefire agreement with Jabhat al-Nusra, and giving up some of their checkpoints to the group.

      Sources:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11203825/Syrian-rebels-armed-and-trained-by-US-surrender-to-al-Qaeda.html

      http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8478.htm

      http://therightscoop.com/whoa-isis-commander-admits-to-being-funded-via-the-us-to-send-militants-to-syria/

      https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/senator-john-mccain-in-syria-with-alqaeda-and-isis-terrorists-abu-bakr-albaghdadi.png

      Conclusion:

      There are no “moderate” rebels. There are only Jihadists pretending to be what we want them to be to get weapons, money and air support from us. Once they get it, they will pass it on up the ladder to ISIS.

      • EmilyEnso

        Excellent comment.
        A comprehensive and compelling post.
        The USA is a terrorist state and the world’s greatest sponsor of terror.
        As for John McCain – he is an utter disgrace and his continued re-election an insult to the concept of democracy.
        And an affront to decent people everywhere.

        • Aldous Huxley

          thanks Emily! keep up the good work!

    • Aldous Huxley
      • EmilyEnso

        And now tragically Macedonia.
        To be de – stabilised and Islamic terror and violence to be unleashed.
        The USA’s evil creation the KLA – an islamic fundamentalist and Saudi oriented terrorist group which they then used illegally against the Serbs to split their country asunder .
        Now to be the USA’s attack dogs once more – on the Macedonians.
        Why?
        Their crime?
        Because the possibility exists that they may agree to be the conduit of Russian gas into Europe.
        The next stage of the pipeline – Turkey then Greece and on.
        THe neocon theory being – kill enough innocent people and their Governent will fold to American wishes.
        The same thing they have done to maybe a dozen other countries.
        THe USA is a terrorist state and sponsor of Terror – as no other in the knowm history of the planet.

        • david t. krall

          These guys ARE evil…Guess how, or one of the ways they started to fund their world-wide operations in the early days of the cold war? & they probably still do !
          Thru stock exchanges…like the NYSE !!!….Look up something call Mary Carter Paint Company which later evolved into Resorts International…a most interesting story…also Paul Halliwell (an associate of Clair Chennault) a OSS/CIA/Dod “accountant” and financial genius ..and part of this same post WW2 world-wide-network : Banksters/Lawyers/OSS/CIA/Dod/Org. Crime sectors…e.g. CAT and Air-America… I’ll bet anything there’s probably a few (at least !) present day versions of Paul Halliwell “moving” money and funds/supplies for ISIS “below the surface” and also on the internet…. I would NOT be surprised if there’s a series or chain of fronts/closet/fake/dummy banks across the Middle-east and in Turkey, similar to the Castle Bank, Nugan-Hand Bank and The Double-Check Corporation. Man, that would be a total block-buster piece of investigative journalism, if somebody exposed that…I have no doubt these mechanisms are in place today in Iraq, UAE, Saudi Arabia….it is all part of the same paradigm, just a different “theater” of operations and a slightly varied “flavor”…..

          • david t. krall

            oh I forgot BCCI also known as the Bank of Crooks and Criminals…look up the Senate report by then Sen. John Kerry…an awesome document and report…circa 1989/1990…

      • Robert Zraick

        I agree, but I am not sure who you mean by “We”. As far as I can tell, on average the American citizen is either in favor of big oppressive tyrannical collectivist government, or does not care, or perhaps is just to propagandized to understand reality.

        I think “We” are in a minority. Sucks.

      • david t. krall

        it’s not that America is evil…it’s (to me) the influential elements behind the scenes who ‘sell” operations and programs to those “close to the surface” and cleaverly dupe and “lock-in” the overt side of our leadership, thus captivating and “wowing” ( & duping when nec) them with such operations that “can’t go wrong” as sold by the “presenters” and sellers of these ops and events/programs. by those “in the know”… “in the wood-work”, aka part of the gov and/or corp connected segments… even those of a certain rank, level, or position, not part of a plan who know and hear of such plans within the the bureaucracy know of such agendas…this type of behavior goes back to ancient Greece and Rome within their own establishments as well…those with the real data and info, the inside track of intelligence are the ones who have the real power., and usually have their own/sep, deep and independent pipelines, ties and links to bus/financial circles.and other networks and organizations
        of dubious and questionable activities ..and that is the reality of high-level power politics. whether it is now, 1963, 1980, 5/31/15, or 3/15/44, B.C or 7/20/44…and some type of blow-back and /or behind the scenes “arrangements” and struggle within the epicenter of some established order is always a reality… just take a look at the historical chain of events in ( at least ) any one nation, state or empire…hidden agendas, duplicitous behavior, treason, deception, fraud, competing sectors, high-level murder….where HASN’T this occurred??????

        • Aldous Huxley

          right.

          “those “close to the surface” who cleaverly dupe and “lock-in” the overt side of our leadership…. sold by the “presenters” and sellers of these ops and events/programs. by those “in the know”… “in the wood-work” who are responsible for “hidden agendas, duplicitous behavior, treason, deception, fraud, competing sectors, high-level murder” represent Amerika with a K short for KKK fasKists. America with a C is where the rest of us live.

          Amerika is evil. America is duped.

          • david t. krall

            Right on ! Right On…a house-cleaning is in order..but who can do it and survive??? Physically…not just politically…

          • Aldous Huxley

            I’m planning to send up Rand Paul. If they assassinate him like they did Kennedy, there will be blood in the streets this time.

          • david t. krall

            Well ! I hope not…but “they” will resort to that if they have to….I am of the opinion that the biggest threat is also the most immediate and ironically it helps some of the other candidates…Donald Trump and his total overshadowing of the “pre-coronation” roll-out of Jeb Bush,,,his, Trump’s name & name recognition/branding, own wealth (big independent $$$) and pol. independence is not what the Bush team anticipated seeing on TV the one or two days after JEB announced !!!! Kind of a let down, to say the least !
            There is some real mega/tetra/major money and power behind him, JEB, just like his Father “41” and brother “43”…A lot of that well-connected early neo-con crowd from the late 1970’s and into the 1980’s. like the extremely well connected “legal (& oil) gunslinger” Jim Baker… & he’s just part of one segment ( albeit a very important one !) of a very well-heeled and inter-linked network here…BIG BUCKS/$$$$ behind him…he is “their guy” and whatever it takes, to get that nomination they will do it…people like Rand Paul, Bernie Sanders, Lincoln Chaffee and a few others, even possibly Hillary Clinton (???) are not part of the “network”.of neo-cons ..& could be and will possibly be perceived as “In the way” and this network does how to play hard-ball and go “below the belt” or worse if they need to…Yesterday on “Going Underground” (on RT) an excellent interview with former FBI agent Colleen Rowely. She mentioned and discussed the new/released and declassified DIA documents and reports about US CIA / ISIS links and connections. I was not surprised. I “suspected” this back, last year when ISIS was even first mentioned. It would be like the VC threatening or taking over 2 or 3 countries “out of the blue” in SE Asia…..She made an interesting point of a psychological term called “Psychopathic Logic” where and how such usage and ‘deals” with animals and thugs applies to BOTH sides of and in such deep, covert “arrangements”, where the ends justify the means… Did you ever wonder where they, ISIS got all those complex arms. tanks, troop carriers, trucks, heavy weapons, military motor-cycles…don’t expect CNN to tell us…and if you ever noticed when CNN shows some “close-up” film of ISIS or AlQada, you will notice if you really look, some part or portion of the video is blurred or blurred-out, cleaverly unfocused in parts of the surrounding crowd….why would that be, if not to hide something or some parties…who are in these videos….that would be a common-sense observation and question…what does that tell you???

          • Aldous Huxley

            “Did you ever wonder where they, ISIS got all those complex arms. tanks, troop carriers, trucks, heavy weapons, military motor-cycles”

            Not only was the US giving billions per year in arms and aid to Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who were in turn giving billions per year in arms and aid to terrorists in Libya. The US CIA was also directly arming terrorists rebels groups in Syria. Here is a snapshot:

            “Two of the main rebel groups receiving weapons from the United States to fight both the regime and jihadist groups in Syria have surrendered to al-Qaeda.

            The US and its allies were relying on Harakat Hazm and the Syrian Revolutionary Front to become part of a ground force that would attack the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).

            For the last six months the Hazm movement, and the SRF through them, had been receiving heavy weapons from the US-led coalition, including GRAD rockets and TOW anti-tank missiles.

            But on Saturday night Harakat Hazm surrendered military bases and weapons supplies to Jabhat al-Nusra, when the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria stormed villages they controlled in northern Idlib province

            In Idlib, Harakat Hazm gave up their positions to Jabhat al-Nusra “without firing a shot”, according to some reports, and some of the men even defected to the jihadists.

            In Aleppo, where Harakat Hazm also has a presence, the group has survived, but only by signing a ceasefire agreement with Jabhat al-Nusra, and giving up some of their checkpoints to the group.”

            Sources:

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11203825/Syrian-rebels-armed-and-trained-by-US-surrender-to-al-Qaeda.html

            http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8478.htm

            http://therightscoop.com/whoa-isis-commander-admits-to-being-funded-via-the-us-to-send-militants-to-syria/

            https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/senator-john-mccain-in-syria-with-alqaeda-and-isis-terrorists-abu-bakr-albaghdadi.png

            Conclusion:

            There are no “moderate” rebels. There are only Jihadists pretending to be what we want them to be to get weapons, money and air support from us. Once they get it, they will pass it on up the ladder to ISIS. The US created ISIS, just like we and Pakistan’s ISI helped create the groups that became Al-Qaeda and the Taliban to fight the soviets in Afghanistan

            Why you ask? Dr. Nafeez Ahmed answered that question here:

            http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines

          • david t. krall

            AWESOME !!! RIGHT ON !!!… Man, good stuff… & You remember last /late Dec of 2014, and into Jan.of 2015? when the US was reducing its presence in Yemen and closed down its embassy. It you noticed guess who else was coincidently losing their voice and presence in Yemen.?..Radical Sunni jihadists !!! and that’s when the Houthi’s (not sure of spelling-sorry), a SHIA militia/rebel group backed by Iran was making serious success against these covert US/Saudi backed Sunni jihadists. And then just when..and then it looked like things weren’t going too well,…actually real bad (!) for these Sunni Jihadists, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and other super wealthy.fire-breathing.. oil-drinking repressive dictatorship, Gulf States decided and quickly via some bogus/rubber-stamped “conference” decided to bomb, and bomb..and bomb NO STOP parts of Yemen, even to the point of bombing killing, & maiming everybody and anybody,….a type of carpet bombing used in Vietnam, using U.S. supplied/bought navel ships/vessels, war planes, etc. Even the UN, against US pressures wanted this to cease and immediately stop !.. I, in the deepest recesses of my mind and brain asked, “could and would this be happening without a firm, affirmative and deliberate approval from the USA. or influential sectors within it”? I THINK NOT…They (“we) were on the “sidelines” there, closely watching and advising. You noticed how not-so-strangely-“quiet” the US was during this time…This massive bombing “campaign” also involved a very timely and very uncoincidental strike “near” a prison or a part of it that housed over 300 known hard-core AlQada/ and/or ISIS-like jihadist combatants, that resulted in their “escaping” ….CNN’s verbal and visual tricky “slight of hand” in presenting just this situation was like watching a magic show, with the intent to actually further confuse, confound and bewilder the audience, some not really familiar with the players “on-stage”, “behind” the curtain or the producers or directors behind the scenes and their agenda.

          • Aldous Huxley

            Good point! the hypocrisy is astounding! when Gaddafi or Al Assad shoots a few hundred ‘protesters’ (many of them armed) the US calls for them to immediately step down. But when Saudi Arabia carbet bombs cities in Yemen… silence from DC.

          • david t. krall

            You following “things” in Greece? I wonder if “all of a sudden” and “out of the blue” Greece becomes the recipient of a major (or several) “terror” incidents or “scares” and then NATO as the behest of the EU/US Banksters will go in and “save” Greece…that would NOT surprise me…..

          • Aldous Huxley

            nah… the CIA doesn’t have the apparatus in Greece to pull off the standard false flag incidents, and a scare won’t get the job done.

            you might be interested in this evidence that the US was behind the recent regime in Ukraine:

            Victoria Nuland admitted they appointed the Ukrainian government:

            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

            At 7:44 in the youtube video below Victoria Nuland’s admits Washington has spent $5 Billion.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

            Here is Geroge Soros admitting he has been involved in building up the Ukrainian dissidents.

            https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/video-soros-admits-responsibility-for-sorosobamanulandkerry-coup-in-kiev-and-mass-murder-in-ukraine/

            Here is Nuland getting grilled about US money and neo-nazi groups:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNyH1c2043E

            this youtube site has a nice overview with lots of great links:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMpktnHKRCY

            Here’s a good peice on Svoboda, one of the bigger neo nazi parties:

            http://www.ibtimes.com/euromaidan-dark-shadows-far-right-ukraine-protests-1556654

            Here is some more of the evidence on links between Svoboda and the regime change forces:

            http://www.mofopolitics.com/2014/03/05/john-mccain-linked-neo-nazis-seize-key-positions-in-ukraine/

            Here is a detailed piece on Soros’s economic piracy:

            http://geopolitika.org/william-engdahl-the-secret-financial-network-behind-wizard-george-soros/

            Here is the head of Sratfor admitting Ukraine Is U.S. Regime Change Puppet:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awd-BKH_XLA

          • david t. krall

            YEA ! But NATO does…just a “different stripe” of the “same tablecloth”…
            like Operation Gladio, and many other ops. Operation Ohio ,etc.and the recent ‘scares”/ or “incidents” involving the supposed crash “done” by Andeas Lubitz..that could very well have been the result of NATO/US Air maneuvers in that area…and of course the “Charlie Hebdo Affair” that from what I am familiar with, is very consistent with some type of covert ” “recruitment” program” by these CIA/Dod/and/or NATO operations/elements that somehow when “wrong” and just happened to blow-up (e.g. recruitment & disposal blowback…) on French soil…that (to me) is the ONLY reason and motive why Obama and Kerry stayed away that weekend BUT every possibile leader from many,many nations showed up in Paris that Sunday. it was as if a “no-fly-zone” decision by Obama..what other rational reason would it be…and on top of that AG Halder shows up Pronto, and I mean PRONTO (!) and is wihsked away, to a planned secret meeting with French and “other” security officials. and NEVER, ever near that parade…and wheww !!! just as fast…zoooom….
            he is “in and then out of DODGE (Paris) just as fast after 3 or 4 hours !!!
            OH LUCY ??? you got some xxxplaining too dooo…!!! and Kerry was not there that weekend either…a “no-fly zone” regarding Paris that weekend for a very important and specific reason…and I am sure that this was not lost on the French ! On 11/24 and/or 11/25/63 French Pres. Charles de Gaulle went to JFK’s funeral and marched in that Procession out of admiration and respect for JFK..He “KNEW”: some his enemies crossed paths with those who killed JFK, At least one prior and earlier attempt caused major problems and relations with/between THE US/NATO and France and DeGaulle: there is evidence that NATO/U.S. DoD and CIA elements were involved with “sympathtic” anti-De Gaulle sectors in this attempt. and .why is this relevant? Because there were reports at the time that a possible/potential assassination plot and attempt was in-place to shoot De Gaulle at JFK’s funeral…I am sure that those in the American Secret Service, the FBI and other US agencies must have been “freaked -out” by the potential implications…how would the lone nut scenario hold and be embedded in the mind of the US body-politic if an attempt to kill DeGaulle was “in the works” and carried out at JFK’s funeral??? A French assassin/terrorist (Mertz?/ Soutre?/ Roux? take your pick!) known in French AND US intell circles was in TX that weekend and ‘escorted” and sent out of the US on a US military cargo plane ASAP…was he a “primary” or a back in Dallas OR prepped & “ready to go” in Washington, DC.,for 2 days later…??? and then sent out of the USA as “THAT” would have been “too much” to contain???? ….Obama stayed away for a very, very specific reason NO MATTER how bad it looked. because he knew, and realized what French intell suspected:– a deep/covert USi intell/NATO “recruitment” op and program for the “war” in Syria/Iraq “blew up” and went bad and got out of control on French soil….Regards, David T. Krall

          • Aldous Huxley

            Wow great info! did not know about CIA ops vs DeGaulle.

            maybe your are right and I’m wrong about Greece, but keep in mind too, the Greeks will go absolutely bananas if anything happens to Tsipras, not because they love him but because they are so radicalized anti-German/US… Greece’s universities have long been bastions for radicalism of the anti-establishment type… so that is good.

          • david t. krall

            YES ! I agree…you ever see a movie called “Z”…Excellent ! Yves Montand..made around 1969/1970….still relevant…that movie for a long time was shown in very limited and “narrow” release in the USA…I believe Costa Gravis directed it. Packs a wallop and is still has meaning and a serious message..I believe you can see it and download/and/ or record it on/from youtube (or something similiar).Excellent political thriller…alongs the lines of “Missing” (about Chile in 1972/1973) but much more emphasis on the plot and intrigue about the planning behind the scenes before and after the overthrow & involving “fake terror” & hi-level murder–a very good movie) NATO is just a different appendage or extremity of the same “hand”..ONI, NSA, CIA. FBI, NRO, just different fingers of the same hand of power. NATO AND the CIA were deeply involved in the overthrow of the Greek Gov. in 1967. Remember e.g. both, (and among others) Generals Lyman Lemnitzer (who helped author and approved of Operation Northwoods-before sending for approval it to his immediate “boss” Def/ Sec. Robert MacNamara and then to JFK) and General Alexander Haig were both way up in the US military “food” chain of command ..both 4 star generals who were at one time heads of the entire NATO Command…these two guys are perfect examples…they (including their staffs had pipe-lines to and from EVERYTHING–embassies, Langley, The Pentagon, European Banksters, etc.) Lemnitzer was a certified JFK antagonist and hated/detested him…JFK had him relieved of his post as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and sent him off and away from him and his brother (AG-RFK) to head NATO. This was after BOTH the Bay of Pigs AND after JFK saw, examined, reviewed, and subsequently became disgusted and repulsed by the Northwoods “option” documents and recommendations by Dod/CIA sectors, which went even further than anything proposed within Operation Mongoose or Jm/Wave…These nuts (real live one’s in positions of power… not “lone nut variety !) lusted for a war with and invasion of Cuba and as well war (take your pick !) with North Vietnam, China or Russia. He knew they were (and to us still are ) deceptive, crazed, self-serving and “BIG trouble”…It was around this time also that Allen Dulles and many others at the CIA (at the very top) were also removed.at the CIA..Dulles was the head of the OSS in Europe in WW2, and was a major player, if not the (THE) major facilitator and mover regarding Operation Sunrise deliberately cooked up behind FDR’s back. Guess who was his chief military advisor and aide then and part of that scheme???…Lyman Lemnitzer …the guy who later sanctioned and approved of NorthWoods, “relieved” by JFK as JCS Chairman, now goes to NATO/Europe….connect all the dots…Operation Gladdio, De Gaulle.and his own enemies, ..France & DeGaulle then have major “problems” with NATO…Haig– same thing and his background is even BIGGER and just as “well connected”.and “tuned or plugged in” ..(CIA, Op Mongoose, Watergate, Nixon, Kissinger & a whole side of Watergate, not just the CIA angle but also one separate angle, involving him and other Pentagon Brass having their own spy ring right under and in Nixon’s WH, & then later his “feud” with Bush “41” and William Casey in Reagan’s WH ) Some of the names of the major actors on the front stage and some of the scenery changes but that’s just about all that does change. These control freaks, tension and scare-mongers love what they do best and hide behind things like “national security”, “classified data or info”, and the best and newest and most deceiving, “oh yes…they were on the watchlist but were taken off, …and we lost track of them…” How many times have you, I and everybody else been told that and heard that??? Not enough fingers or toes for a room full of people, let alone one person..Just now..a few minutes ago Pete Wilson of NBC/MSNBC just stated on “Hardball”…”its not the ones who, police or agencies know about its the ones we don’t “…which is a bold-faced lie. I’ll say it again THAT IS A LIE….look “at” France, Belgium, Ottawa (last fall and uncoincidently was one of two “secret” sites where confidential and covert {but those in the “wood-work knew} negotiations were taking place between Obama WH reps and Cuban gov reps for normalization and re-approachment of relations—that “grudge” still holds strong here in “certain quarters & well connected ones… another coincidence of location and timing for a terrorist lone wolf or lone nut???) –I guess if Kerry was there, not sure if or if not, but maybe SOMEBODY almost had a “bicycle accident” and broke a femur then?) and on and on and…”oh yea they were on a watch-list but then taken off the list and we lost track of them” always, always the same “excuse” and curt/brief wording…I’ll bet a lot of the times, most…maybe all (?) its because either they become.thru being approached or “turned” via some-type pressure or vulnerability, or inducement (something in their background)…became some type of agent, asset or deep cover informant, OR were ALL ALONG and THAT info was NOT in ALL data bases or files. Agent provocateurs, deep cover assets, or informants, agents like a Frank Serpico (who was “brought in from the cold” or a Lee Oswald (who deliberately wasn’t) are part of the prerequisites, in-house trade and usage to acquire, exchange or pass on data in some discreet, “quiet”, deceptive, distracting or some illusory manner in order to pass info or data aka intelligence onto or back to other/”above” parties…some, if not most, like the recent and many that just happened to be “known” ( “at one time”) ” but wre lost track of”.. were left out the cold” and were seen and perceived by their handlers are usable,disposable sacrificed, and seen as expendable…check out or look up a few books called “The Glass House Tapes by Louis Tackwood and also “Big Brother and The Holding Company: The World Behind Watergate” by Steve Weissman..and also “The Great Heroin Coup: Drugs, Intelligence and International Fascism” By Henrick Kruger. Longtime books in my research library. And a mind-blowing website I strongly recommend called “The Institute For The Study Of Globalization And Covert Politics”- an awesome site…
            The “scenery” may change but the techniques and the lies that accompany them have NOT changed…the cold war never really over…IT WAS JUST RENAMED AND RE-BRANDED right in fromt of us…for a new and more “inducing” and “pliable” “THREAT”….
            Regards, David T. Krall

          • david t. krall

            7/4/15- Sat/AM
            Your immediate above & prior comments/insights were not ‘that far off the mark”.! ..regarding what you I have said and shared.here. It was reported on RT, that Gov. Greek Investigators have discovered that a large U.S. surveillance was op and program is in place and directed at Greek Gov. amd Bus. officials and at least one possible “threat” or warning/veiled threat at one former high ranking Greek Gov. Official who has been loud and vocal for closer ties and links to Russia and other BRICS Nations and The AIIB (Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank- China/Russia) amidst the direction Greece may go…Apparently what I “felt”, sensed and suspected in the last few months, especially when GreeK leaders met with Putin and other Russian Gov and Bus. leaders is indeed happening…Just like in the Ukraine, which I followed and still do….The EU and US banksters/& US Petro/Oil Oligarchs and their fellow psychopathic neo-con friends/allies are deeply (VERY!) “distressed” and “concerned” about a possible “tilt” regarding Greece.away from EU/US banking control. You can do as much with a bank as can with an army, if cleaverly done right ! And those “concerns” (really about control and greed) are based on perceived and “projected” EU and US vital financial and political national security “concerns” (not matter how fraudulent or morally bankrupt or “banksterupt” those perceptions or “concerns are)–because what happens now, may have a “domino” effect (HOW IRONIC IS THAT???!!!) on Italy, Spain, possibly Portugal and Scotland, and the rest of, or whole of Europe…
            This is BIG deal….watch for possible “all of a sudden” terror “scares” or a “big
            event” -at one major person (?) in Greece, or perhaps “out of the blue” tensions with Turkey…who knows? Also here…Trump must be freaking out Jeb Bush, his campaign advisors, his handlers and BIG Oil/Banking/ Aerospace/CIA neo-con backers. BIG AND HEAVY HITTERS..Jeb Bush has been totally marginalized by Trump’s own day-after-announcement to run for Pres and its been that way since. No matter what Trumps says or does..he’s climbing in the polls. This has to a major unanticipated & BIG unexpected “problem” and HEADACHE for the neo cons and heavy hitters behind Bush. You don’t have to agree or disagree with him, or even like him to sense some possible early indications of “calls made” to make him/Trump “bleed a little” and nik at him as to “slow him”… His own words and the ways he says what he feels are being used or attempted to be used back at him…IF he does continue to stay on this poll level and climbs more and then indeed does well in Iowa and/or NH, I can only suggest that he not “walk thru any kitchen pantries”..or stand up in moving cars. I wish him luck, as well as to Rand Paul. who hates and detest the Neo-cons and their NSA/CIA/FBI/Homeland Security out of control surveillance freaks as well as their Sen and House lap dogs and mouth pieces. Also a wish of luck and good fortune to Lincoln Chaffee and Bernie Sanders…there is core and common thread, a sort of “connect” between and within these individuals…Hillary Clinton, like Obama, while not a neo-con, has been “locked-in” thru “being sold” and signing on to programs and ops that went on to help the neo-cns, That indicates the breadth, level and scope of their power and influence…
            20 hours after, the very next morning after, the President announced the historic resumption of and reopenings of mutual Embassies in Washington, D.C. and Havana, Cuba a “scare” or event took place which no one seems to know how or why it occurred??? It was reported that at apprx. 7:30 AM that a woman claimed (from the same building from almost 2 years ago, at the same location !) at the Washington Navy Yard, which is not far, at all, from downtown Washington and The WH (!) that she, this woman heard multiple gun-shots..(geeze-Louise…”multiple gunshots” I heard “that” somewhere before) .The media reported it as NOT being a hoax. Oddly this was played down as a false alarm…and BUT (!) it was never in dispute or even denied what this woman stated and/or her claim of hearing gunshots… nor was she even charged or it ever being reported that she was taken for
            questioning…These was very brief mention of a drill (on 7/3 and 7:30 AM???) that was not elaborated on, nor “confrmed nor denied”…and there is video footage that was shown of many troops and soldiers in full battle/armed combat gear moving briskly..But not a drill? and not a hoax???…so WHO was pressing, pushing and pulling buttons and strings a few days ago at apprx. 7:30 AM??? what was that really all about???

          • david t. krall

            There is one more point to consider, I overlooked and forgot to mention, that plays into everything you (Aldous) and I have have mentioned and shared, and is part of the paradigm (& just like in 1959 and 1960 in regards to Cuba and Latin America)…There is a major/mega, extremely wealthy, large and “well -connected” still pro/Shah/pro-neo-con Iranian exile community that hates ( that’s putting it lightly) the current Gov in Teheran. They are in various parts of the Middle East & in the USA…Very much like some of their prior Latin predecessors of the “Who Lost Cuba” lobby (who then soon connected with the equally bellicose “who Lost China Lobby) who were close and/or became close to US Bus/Gov/Intell/Defense Circles, and presently, these pipelines are still in effect and active. Not much has been mentioned or written on this…BUT this “well-connected” Iranian exiled community still has a say and has “tentacles’ via Israel, US neo-cons in OIl, Banking and CIA/Dod circles, etc. I have no doubt this almost simultaneous effort by Obama regarding Cuba AND Iran, has brought a major coalescing and a coalition against him in these matters.And it came to the surface around the time of his most recent “State of the Union” Speech… I have always suspected that in terms of the super/supra-hawks and neo-cons, Obama has always given the impression on/in the Media, that he will “only go so far”, with them, to placate them and…but not far enough in their eyes. And that is when “incidents” e’g. WH jumpers, or Ottawa “lone wofl’s appear or start happening or “false alarms” kind of like “soft” false flags, The same evil mentality being applied and carried out overseas, does NOT stop at the “water-edge” of the USA !!! It didn’t 52 years ago, or during the Cold War, so why assume it stopped now, or ever stopped???….A few weeks ago, when Obama stated in regards to ISIS, “we have no strategy”, to me, that translated as-we have a precise strategy, but I cannot say or tell what is…— I find it hard to believe those words or that he even believed them himself ! “No strategy”? from the best of the Pentagon and CIA??? I think not !!!
            If you noticed today around 4:00 PM and really looked and watched the President, it was NOT the same man of last week, especially in Wisconsin, full of confidence and positive and deliberate demeanor, when he came out on that Pentagon stage and on the podium with his Generals and Admirals.
            (or was it the other way around?) ..Not too many of his civilian advisors were seen or on that stage…He look more like, with his somewhat cowering and forward leaning stance as a leader thoroughly intimidated and “briefed” as to what is really going on, which he already is partially aware via prior briefings and the agenda, regardless of what he thinks or feels has NOT changed. The ISIS ‘option” is still in full force and effect, and used/applied…I’ll bet the DIA report about CIA/Dod support for ISIS was brought up and discussed and all parties surely agreed that this “story” must receive no press play or be marginalized or “laughed-off” and/or ignored…So much for the “war” on terror.

          • david t. krall

            7/15/15…

            well, it looks like THEY “got to” the Greek PM/Pres…It was reported last week that Obama called him…you can bet it was not a “friendly social call”,,,either directly by or from Obama, or someone “speaking for him” he was most assuredly later given a deal, and with emphasis “mentioned” in that call, given a deal or offer, “he couldn’t refuse”…NO DOUBT….with the BRICS and THE AIIB looking on, U.S./EU Banksters/NATO could not afford their own “domino effect”…at least for now….

          • david t. krall

            Aldous, you know of or following this Chattanooga thing…?
            Got my best man on it …ME !
            2 separate shooting locations about 6 or slightly more miles a part, a major hospital in lock-down, at least one local college also in lock-down, 5 persons so-far shot or injured, and so far conveniently the shooter it has been reported is dead…that all sound like one guy? a lone nut ..lone wolf.. “no doubt” will be determined

          • david t. krall

            this is the “type of incident” which occurred TODAY that I alluded to in an earlier post…a touch of a “live wire”…here about 52 hours or so after the the conclusion and agreement of the US/Iran talks AND about 72+ hours before diplomatic circumstances and events take shape between The USA and Cuba…and embassy recognition. function and flag-raising in Havana and Washington. D.C takes place…two very BIG DEALS….that (BOTH) seems to be pissing off BIG TIME people behind the scenes and their equally well placed intell associates “in the wood-work” (intell / gov bureaucracy). THESE ARE GAME CHANGERS (!) and upset some very real and powerful agendas. The very specific evil that has been alluded to, made another “appearance” well past “the waters’ edge”, today….
            I did find it telling that just now after being “briefed” by the FBI Director, that The President sat and remained seated in his chair when addressing the nation, not from behind a desk here, …I guess he didn’t think it was important enough to stand while making a statement and comments about what happened…but then again let’s not assume that what he’s been told and “briefed” is that same as what we’ve been told…probably far more and much more….

          • david t. krall

            FoX News and other news outlets have reported that the (dead) shooter in Chattanooga had TWO passports, one American and one Jordanian…Who has two passports??? Especially one with a strong US intell/defense presence, who is a US ally? Somebody who is, or in this case, was involved in some type of undercover or intell activity, that’s who???

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            I support the shooting of American “soldiers” who were trained to kill more Muslims abroad .Americans must also taste some of what they are inflicting around the world.

          • david t. krall

            does your logic apply to Saudi, Kuwaiti and Jordanian supplicants and allies or just one area of your hate??? Since the tool and use of this “taste” or hate is what is doing the harm, as trained and used for a purpose…an evil purpose very covertly “under the surface” thur hidden arrangements and “deep” understandings…perhaps a better understanding on your part as to who is “putting” this hate in place…I would not support the shooting of anybody, or any harm to other people, especially Americans, Iraqis, or anyone else, as this only leads to more hate, “blindness” and an ongoing lack of clarity and understanding,,,hate is like a food, alcohol or drug addiction, or compulsion, once in your system, you need to step back and recognize it, before it consumes you…hate like love can be an addiction and cause a emotional and mental decay & blindness…Knowledge, true clarity, objective analytical understanding and inward recognition is the true path to reality and a “higher plain” of awareness…once there your intuition “kicks in”, it works with your knowledge..and confronting one’s inner demons, shortcomings and vulnerabilities, is the surest way of destroying the cancer-like inner hate that can consume, harm and destroy a person…and others…your “support”, as mentioned above is based on a hate that is consuming you…your “support” as mentioned above is NOT, in any way, in agreement here , nor any seen as valid, honorable, or moral… in any way shape or form…take your blind hate somewhere else. GOOD BYE…

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            My hate is directed to every single human being who is immoral and inhumane, that includes Muslim countries, millions of so-called Muslims and non-Muslims. I believe in a just God, not in a racist, psychopathic and violent God. All people are equal and I don’t believe people will go to “eternal” hell for being born in another culture. Traditional understandings of religion have nothing to offer humanity but misery. I have no allegiance to any group of people, organization, government, state, ethnicity etc. Only to truth and justice. My real name is not Hasan Nasrallah, that was just to piss off Islamophobic Westerners and Zionists.

          • david t. krall

            As you so bluntly state, your hate is directed at every single human being….millions…like Carl Sagan and the stars in the sky??? You’re either a lone-troll, a gov. one and a baiter, or more likely in need of massive amounts of therapy and analysis.. Others, much more experienced and all who see your words including the administrators and owners of this web-site can and will decide how to deal with your comments and how they should be handled and passed on, for review. Don’t flatter yourself, such negativity and hate usually warrants hiding in some way, but who cares regarding such blind hate.
            I’m just surprised at your inept and naive boast that it’s not your real name…who would be surprised..or even care?..lone-troll, gov. bailter and/or in need of help…or “all of the above” ???

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            Are you fucking kidding me punk? You sound schizophrenic to me, you want me to love murderers and warmongers? Fuck off immoral asshole, I’m not a sociopath like you.

          • Hassan Nasrallah

            I read all my messages and yours again, you truly are a piece of shit or a sociopath!

          • david t. krall

            keep’em coming…such rational, moral, stable comments..the more written, the more traceable and documented…don’t hold back, by all means…

          • Lisa Fleming

            Gaddafi held many secret meetings with western leaders. Compelling them to break ties with the U.S because they would only live as long as they played the game. He wanted them to break from the petro dollar and go to the gold standard…and Libya was dripping in gold. Just as at one moment in time we were awarding Saddam with a Nobel Peace prize for his effort towards literacy, the next we hunted him down and hung him. Gaddafi warned them that they were all next. And America would stop at nothing to make it seem legit.

          • david t. krall

            Bravo…YES ! Great points. You hit the mark here. Yes, It’s all about the oil… The neo-con/hawks are very evil and duplicitous network. They created ISIS ( see my many post here) and are a highly corrupt and well-connected crowd.

      • Grace Hulings

        its not America that is evil !! its the so called leader we have in the white house !!! and the others that are ruling our government !! hell the election was rigged, like in ohio the one district had 110 persent voters turn out. do the math HOW THE HELL CAN YOU GET 110 !?!?! WHERE DID THE 10 PERSENT COME FROM VOTERS FRAUD ? DID THE DEAD PEOPLE VOTE FOR HIM ? PEOPLE SEEM TO DISAPPEAR IF ANYTHING IS PROVEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS TRUE, but no one here will do anything about the evils that are taking place !

        • david t. krall

          Trust me ! I’ve done the research…He’s been “sold” of ISIS and is now a captive, now a compliant( no matter how reluctant he may feel or even show it) a witting tool and extension of their power and influence. That neo-con network is one extremely well and high- placed rough and evil crowd…every time there’s some SERIOUS dispute within the epicenter or if/when Obama considers distancing himself (e.g Cuba or Iran) some lone wolf, nut/shooter or WH jumper appears out of “nowhere”…This is way beyond coincidence. Pure power and its evil face have clever ways of masking itself, especially thru its use extremities or tools, no matter how witting or compliant or inversely unwitting, uncompliant or reluctant….

    • david t. krall

      Bravo ! Right on !!! Yes, you hit the mark here ! This is exactly what’s been going on…this is a total and complete mirror of prior programs and operations in other parts of the world…
      using proxy thugs. and animals as “freedom fighters”, and assets, tools and extensions of US covert operations, trained, funded. “fine tuned” and “let loose”…..things like the large mega-sized / top secret Operations Mongoose and JM/wave (parts of our own “jihad” against Castro’s Cuba) and later Operation Condor and still later the Contras and then even later Islamic “freedom fighters” in SW Asia…proxy armies, militias and cadres, armed, funded/ supplied and trained to kill, torture, and instill fear (e.g. beheading- an age-old counter-surgency/pacification nazi-like tactic) in the targeted area or population…This is NOTHING new.

  • Conrad Wilcox

    where can i find the full document

    • Abel Ashes

      It’s posted three posts above yours, but here it is again:

      DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE – CLASSIFICATION: SECRET.
      INFORMATION REPORT, NOT FINALLY EVALUATED INTELLIGENCE.
      COUNTRY: (U) IRAQ (IRQ). DOI: (U) 20120730. {12 August 2012}

      1. {REDACTED}

      2. {REDACTED}

      THE GENERAL SITUATION:

      A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

      B. THE SALAFIST,- THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

      C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE RUSSIA. CHINA, AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.

      D. {REDACTED}

      E. THE REGIME’S PRIORITY IS TO CONCENTRATE ITS PRESENCE IN AREAS ALONG THE COAST (TARTUS, AND LATAKJA); HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT ABANDONED HOMS BECAUSE IT CONTROLS THE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION ROUTES IN SYRIA. THE REGIME DECREASED ITS CONCENTRATION IN AREAS ADJACENT TO THE IRAQI BORDERS (AL HASAK.A AND DER ZOR).

      3. AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

      A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED INTO IRAQ.

      B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING SUNNIS.

      C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

      D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STA TE OF IRAQ (ISi), ABU MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS {THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS.

      ADDITIONALLY. HE IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME, REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND IRAQ.

      E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

      4. THE BORDERS:

      A. THE BORDERS BETWEEN SYRIA AND IRAQ STRETCH APPROXIMATELY 600KM WITH COMPLEX TERRAIN CONSISTING OF A VAST DESERT, MOUNTAIN RANGES (SINJAR MOUNTAINS). JOINT RIVERS (FLOWING ON BOTH SIDES), AND AGRICULTURAL LANDS.

      B. IRAQ DIRECTLY NEIGHBORS THE SYRIAN PROVINCES OF HASAK.A AND DER ZOR, AS WELL AS (SYRIAN) CITIES ADJACENT TO THE IRAQI BORDER.

      C. THE LAND ON BOTH SIDES BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA IS A VAST DESERT PUNCTUATED BY VALLEYS, AND IT LACKS TRANSPORTATION ROUTES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INTERNATIONAL HIGHWAY AND SOME MAJOR CITIES.

      5. THE POPULATION LIVING ON THE BORDER:

      A. THE POPULATION LIVING ON THE BORDER HAS A SOCIAL-TRIBAL STYLE, WHICH IS BOUND BY STRONG TRIBAL AND FAMILIAL MARITAL TIES.

      B. THEIR SECTARIAN AFFILIATION UNITES THE TWO SIDES WHEN EVENTS HAPPEN IN THE REGION.

      C. AQI HAD MAJOR POCKETS AND BASES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER TO FACILITATE THE FLOW OF MATERIAL AND RECRUITS.

      D. THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI JN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING TI-IE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010; HOWEVER, AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA, THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS, WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE SUNNI’S IN SYRIA.

      6. THE SITUATION ON THE IRAQI AND SYRIAN BORDER:

      A. THREE BORDER BDES ARE SUFFICIENT TO CONTROL THE BORDERS DURING PEACE TIME FOR OBSERVATION DUTIES AND TO PREVENT SMUGGLING AND INFILTRATION.

      B. {REDACTED}

      C. IN PREVIOUS YEARS A MAJORITY OF AQI FIGHTERS ENTERED IRAQ PRIMARILY VIA THE SYRIAN BORDER.

      7. THE FUTURE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE CRISIS:

      A. THE REGIME WILL SURVIVE AND HA VE CONTROL OVER SYRIAN TERRITORY.

      B. DEVELOPMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENTS INTO PROXY WAR: WITH SUPPORT FROM RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN, THE REGIME IS CONTROLLING THE AREAS OF INFLUENCE ALONG COASTAL TERRITORIES (TARTUS AND LATAKIA), AND IS FIERCELY DEFENDING HOMS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION ROUTE IN SYRIA. ON THE OTHER HAND, OPPOSITION FORCES ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE EASTERN AREAS (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN IRAQI PROVINCES (MOSUL AND ANBAR), IN ADDITION TO NEIGHBORING TURKISH BORDERS. WESTERN COUNTRIES, THE GULF STATES AND TURKEY ARE SUPPORTING THESE EFFORTS. THIS HYPOTHESIS IS MOST LIKELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DATA FROM RECENT EVENTS, WHICH WILL HELP PREPARE SAFE HAVENS UNDER INTERNATIONAL SHELTERING, SIMILAR TO WHAT TRANSPIRED IN LIBYA WHEN BENGHAZI WAS CHOSEN AS THE COMMAND CENTER OF THE TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT.

      8. THE EFFECTS ON IRAQ:

      A. {REDACTED} SYRIAN REGIME BORDER FORCES RETREATED FROM THE BORDER AND THE OPPOSITION FORCES (SYRIAN FREE ARMY) TOOK OVER THE POSTS AND RAISED THEIR FLAG. THE IRAQI BORDER GUARD FORCES ARE FACING A BORDER WITH SYRIA THAT IS NOT GUARDED BY OFFICIAL ELEMENTS WHICH PRESENTS A DANGEROUS AND SERIOUS THREAT.

      B. THE OPPOSITION FORCES WILL TRY TO USE THE IRAQI TERRITORY AS A SAFE HAVEN FOR ITS FORCES TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYMPATHY OF THE IRAQI BORDER POPULATION, MEANWHILE TRYING TO RECRUIT FIGHTERS AND TRAIN THEM ON THE IRAQI SIDE, IN ADDITION TO HARBORING REFUGEES (SYRIA).

      C. IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITON WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF THE SHJA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN).

      D. THE DETERIORATION OF THE SITUATION HAS DIRE CONSEQUENCES ON THE IRAQI SITUATION AND ARE AS FOLLOWS:

      1. THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA, AND THE REST OF THE SUNNIS IN THE ARAB WORLD AGAINST WHAT IT CONSIDERS ONE ENEMY, THE DISSENTERS. ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY.

      2. {REDACTED}

      3. THE RENEWING FACILITATION OF TERRORIST ELEMENTS FROM ALL OVER THE ARAB WORLD ENTERING INTO THE IRAQ AREA

    • Abel Ashes

      Judicial Watch got the document released and the document is not what many are pretending it is or pretending it says. Here is the link the the original posting of the document. This is the same source everyone else is using in reference to this document: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

  • CLO

    talk to John Mcain!!!

  • David Worley

    Money through Libya VIA Hillary and Stevens funded the Al-Qaeda Syrian Rebels until the Red Line was crossed. At the Point that Obama appeared to be too involved. The Highly armed and funded Al-Qaeda Syrians were instructed with CIA assistance to form ISIS. The sole purpose is to keep widespread havoc in all nations that had originally attempted to form Qaddafi’s Plan to form a Dollar killing Gold exchange.. Every Oil rich Country that sought to form the Gold for oil pact has been destroyed with the failed attempt by the WH to take Assad of Syria down.. ISIS is and has never been a threat to the USA Just as Obama Claimed, Further more Obama was truthful in demanding that ISIS/ISIL purpose was NOT spreading Islam…They are spreading the rule Obama paid for.. to create Havoc and slaughter Christians. Obama bought and Paid for his Brothers.. That is why he refers to them as JV and has never formed a strategy to wipe them out.. They are His Boys in the field.. Prove me wrong..

    • david t. krall

      I agree to most of the above BUT like any president he was “sold” and presented this plan of operation within the worst-case or best-case scenario, depending on how those in the Intell/defense bureaucracy via those “advisors” who have briefed the president, want it handled…e.g. JFK, Bay of Pigs, Cuba or SE Asia, etc. “They” present” him with a plan and already have if figured out how to carry it out based on the cleaver and manipulative way it is presented in the first place…e.g. That’s why JFK actually dug his heels-in and created the DIA…to verify what the CIA was telling him !!! Obama was “sold” and “dragged into” a plan and no matter what, he is locked in, signed onto it and now probably can’t wait for 1/20/17….Jut like IKE on 1/20/61…Ike’s inner thoughts were probably something along these lines..”here are the keys…good luck and good riddens…things are ready to blow somewhere in the boiler-room…hope it’s not you (JFK) that gets burned.or hurt..take the keys…I’m outta here…they played me and turned on me…watch your back Mr. (new) President…
      And now with the new treasure-trove of DIA documents released and declassified showing and confirming CIA/Dod collaboration and direct involvement with ISIS…whoever is elected in 2016 and inaugurated in Jan of 2017…he or she better watch their own back as well ! Kerry didn’t watch his…You.think that’s not related to all of this????? There’s a reason why no sight or sound or or from him and its NOT from a broken femur…..it a little more serious and complicated than that….

  • john fr

    The military-industrial complex wants another war to profit from.

  • Abel Ashes

    Here is the actual DIA paper in question that disinformation peddlers like Alex Jones, Nafeez Ahmed, and Chris Hedges have been lying about. It clearly states that the creation of a Salafist Islamic State is likely to occur because of Syrian and Iraqi jihadist groups that the US opposes and furthermore clearly states that such an Islamic State is not desirable to the US or for regional security and stability:

    DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE – CLASSIFICATION: SECRET.
    INFORMATION REPORT, NOT FINALLY EVALUATED INTELLIGENCE.
    COUNTRY: (U) IRAQ (IRQ). DOI: (U) 20120730. {12 August 2012}

    1. {REDACTED}

    2. {REDACTED}

    THE GENERAL SITUATION:

    A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

    B. THE SALAFIST,- THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

    C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE RUSSIA. CHINA, AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.

    D. {REDACTED}

    E. THE REGIME’S PRIORITY IS TO CONCENTRATE ITS PRESENCE IN AREAS ALONG THE COAST (TARTUS, AND LATAKJA); HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT ABANDONED HOMS BECAUSE IT CONTROLS THE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION ROUTES IN SYRIA. THE REGIME DECREASED ITS CONCENTRATION IN AREAS ADJACENT TO THE IRAQI BORDERS (AL HASAK.A AND DER ZOR).

    3. AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

    A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED INTO IRAQ.

    B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING SUNNIS.

    C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

    D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STA TE OF IRAQ (ISi), ABU MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS {THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS.

    ADDITIONALLY. HE IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME, REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND IRAQ.

    E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

    4. THE BORDERS:

    A. THE BORDERS BETWEEN SYRIA AND IRAQ STRETCH APPROXIMATELY 600KM WITH COMPLEX TERRAIN CONSISTING OF A VAST DESERT, MOUNTAIN RANGES (SINJAR MOUNTAINS). JOINT RIVERS (FLOWING ON BOTH SIDES), AND AGRICULTURAL LANDS.

    B. IRAQ DIRECTLY NEIGHBORS THE SYRIAN PROVINCES OF HASAK.A AND DER ZOR, AS WELL AS (SYRIAN) CITIES ADJACENT TO THE IRAQI BORDER.

    C. THE LAND ON BOTH SIDES BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA IS A VAST DESERT PUNCTUATED BY VALLEYS, AND IT LACKS TRANSPORTATION ROUTES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INTERNATIONAL HIGHWAY AND SOME MAJOR CITIES.

    5. THE POPULATION LIVING ON THE BORDER:

    A. THE POPULATION LIVING ON THE BORDER HAS A SOCIAL-TRIBAL STYLE, WHICH IS BOUND BY STRONG TRIBAL AND FAMILIAL MARITAL TIES.

    B. THEIR SECTARIAN AFFILIATION UNITES THE TWO SIDES WHEN EVENTS HAPPEN IN THE REGION.

    C. AQI HAD MAJOR POCKETS AND BASES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER TO FACILITATE THE FLOW OF MATERIAL AND RECRUITS.

    D. THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI JN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING TI-IE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010; HOWEVER, AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA, THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS, WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE SUNNI’S IN SYRIA.

    6. THE SITUATION ON THE IRAQI AND SYRIAN BORDER:

    A. THREE BORDER BDES ARE SUFFICIENT TO CONTROL THE BORDERS DURING PEACE TIME FOR OBSERVATION DUTIES AND TO PREVENT SMUGGLING AND INFILTRATION.

    B. {REDACTED}

    C. IN PREVIOUS YEARS A MAJORITY OF AQI FIGHTERS ENTERED IRAQ PRIMARILY VIA THE SYRIAN BORDER.

    7. THE FUTURE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE CRISIS:

    A. THE REGIME WILL SURVIVE AND HA VE CONTROL OVER SYRIAN TERRITORY.

    B. DEVELOPMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENTS INTO PROXY WAR: WITH SUPPORT FROM RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN, THE REGIME IS CONTROLLING THE AREAS OF INFLUENCE ALONG COASTAL TERRITORIES (TARTUS AND LATAKIA), AND IS FIERCELY DEFENDING HOMS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION ROUTE IN SYRIA. ON THE OTHER HAND, OPPOSITION FORCES ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE EASTERN AREAS (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN IRAQI PROVINCES (MOSUL AND ANBAR), IN ADDITION TO NEIGHBORING TURKISH BORDERS. WESTERN COUNTRIES, THE GULF STATES AND TURKEY ARE SUPPORTING THESE EFFORTS. THIS HYPOTHESIS IS MOST LIKELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DATA FROM RECENT EVENTS, WHICH WILL HELP PREPARE SAFE HAVENS UNDER INTERNATIONAL SHELTERING, SIMILAR TO WHAT TRANSPIRED IN LIBYA WHEN BENGHAZI WAS CHOSEN AS THE COMMAND CENTER OF THE TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT.

    8. THE EFFECTS ON IRAQ:

    A. {REDACTED} SYRIAN REGIME BORDER FORCES RETREATED FROM THE BORDER AND THE OPPOSITION FORCES (SYRIAN FREE ARMY) TOOK OVER THE POSTS AND RAISED THEIR FLAG. THE IRAQI BORDER GUARD FORCES ARE FACING A BORDER WITH SYRIA THAT IS NOT GUARDED BY OFFICIAL ELEMENTS WHICH PRESENTS A DANGEROUS AND SERIOUS THREAT.

    B. THE OPPOSITION FORCES WILL TRY TO USE THE IRAQI TERRITORY AS A SAFE HAVEN FOR ITS FORCES TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYMPATHY OF THE IRAQI BORDER POPULATION, MEANWHILE TRYING TO RECRUIT FIGHTERS AND TRAIN THEM ON THE IRAQI SIDE, IN ADDITION TO HARBORING REFUGEES (SYRIA).

    C. IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITON WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF THE SHJA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN).

    D. THE DETERIORATION OF THE SITUATION HAS DIRE CONSEQUENCES ON THE IRAQI SITUATION AND ARE AS FOLLOWS:

    1. THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA, AND THE REST OF THE SUNNIS IN THE ARAB WORLD AGAINST WHAT IT CONSIDERS ONE ENEMY, THE DISSENTERS. ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY.

    2. {REDACTED}

    3. THE RENEWING FACILITATION OF TERRORIST ELEMENTS FROM ALL OVER THE ARAB WORLD ENTERING INTO THE IRAQ AREA

    • david t. krall

      Great Stuff ! But that does NOT close or close out the likelyhood or the argument of direct CIA/DoD collaboration, facilitation, or the creation or infiltration of a part of ISIS as a presence in the middle east.to advance an agenda..The US has and has had a long documented history of deep/ covert, (NOW-KNOWN) hidden made “arrangements” and “understandings” below the table” or below the surface of public awareness or knowledge between the highest levels of U.S. Gov./intell/Corp. sectors and criminal elites at the highest known tier of a domestic or foreign network, elements or sectors that would appear ON THE SURFACE, abhorrent and counter to what “on the surface” this Nation stands for and such “deals” as seen with thugs, animals or monsters…Operation Underworld, before the outbreak of WW2 a is perfect template or historical overlay for this type of deep “arrangement” or covert “understanding”…the history of covert warfare not just the USA, is littered with such secret ‘deals” “arrangements” , if not , “creations”. Before WW2. radical ranking and influential Islamic nationals across the middle east were in contact with Fascist/Nazi officials in a serious and deliberate attempt to forge some-type alliance against “western infidels”. This deep, covert, wide-scope contemplated operation and program was in serious discussions on several fronts between very hi-level German/Nazi intell and Military officials, and influential leaders in the middle east at that time. The plan was to use as a fuse, “ignition”, a “trip-wire” the creation and start of a large “anti-western” “Jihad” against “THE WEST” aka “western imperialists”. That’s how the plan was to projected and explained to the world press and media at that time. The real and intended plan was NOTHING of the sort. It was intended and calculated to drive the British and French out of North Africa and the Miiddle East and supplant/forge an alliance between Arab Jihadists and The Nazi Government in Germany. It’s always about the Oil and BIG money…At some point even the Nazis (yes !) became suspicious, not the the plan itself. BUT the people who they were dealing with who even they perceived as duplicitous and untrustworthy…also, I guess all the counter connections and MONEY of or from the Rockefeller and Wall sectors Stree helped, in some way, thus tipping this short-term and anticipated plan away from becoming a reality, as well…It could have gone that way…At least The Nazi’s saw something and recognized it then…The current U.S. CIA/Dod/Corp. benefactors of such plans and agendas have no such qualms or concerns…Somethings never change….
      Regards,
      David T. Krall

  • Abel Ashes

    Saudi Arabia is not funding the Islamic State. The Islamic State is being bombed by the Saudi military and has carried out several attacks in Saudi Arabia,which have killed Saudi military and Saudi Shia worshippers. The Saudis are a monarchy which is not acceptable to IS and they are a US ally which is not acceptable to IS. Saudi Arabia and Jordan are the two countries IS has stated in all of their propaganda that they wish to conquer and invade next should they take all of Iraq and Syria.

    Turkey is also not funding IS. Turkey is guilty of not preventing foreign fighters using Turkey as their last stop on the way into Syria. Erdogan is happy to see the Assad regime, the Kurds, and IS kill each other while Turkey helps the USA fight IS in a more clandestine fashion so as to appear neutral to avoid IS and al-Nusra attacks inside Turkey while Erdogan slowly erodes Turkish secularism and imposes a Muslim Brotherhood style Islamic republicanism. A lot of Turkish/Syrian strategic conflicts revolve around the Kurds and regional water rights.

    The Libyan government is at war with Libyan terrorist groups who have declared allegiance to IS. These Libyan Islamic State cells most famous for the beheading of Egyptian and Ethiopian Christians have attacked Libyan government offices, airports, police, civilians. The Libyan government is Islamist and pro-Sharia but not pro-IS.

    Syrian rebels funding IS is the silliest idea of all. IS has way more money and sources of continuous income than any of the many Syrian rebel groups could ever dream of. There are Syrian rebels who have defected to the Islamic State and taken with them weapons and equipment and supplies. But “Syrian rebel” groups are informal armies operating in a country whose regime they are at war with who rely on donations for all of their expenses.

    The Islamic State, on the other hand, is a country unto itself with it’s own diverse economy which derives income from black market sales of oil, antiquities, and sex slaves outside the “Caliphate”, as well as deriving revenue from all of the economic activities inside the “Caliphate” such as those I just mentioned plus agriculture, food production, water distribution, banking, taxation of more than 6,000,000 people in the cities and towns they control across 50% of Syria and about 1/3 of Iraq. IS just took Palmyra and Ramadi and with that gained even more accumulated additional territory, weapons, land, infrastructure, and continual sources of revenue.

    The Islamic State is not a mere terrorist group. It is a defacto nation with global theocratically based empire building aspirations. It’s first goal is the erasure of all of the borders and governments of all of the nations in the Middle East and North Africa.

    Yeah there are private financial supporters in every Muslim majority nation and many Muslim minority nations as well and Qatar is certainly one of the big ones but there is no national government that actually wants them to succeed. They are literally a threat to every single regime in the Islamic world as they see all of those regimes as illegitimate. One of the largest sources of outside money flowing into Islamic State war coffers uncovered in the Western world was a Muslim money laundering network in Spain that was helping Muslims across Europe to send money to the Islamic State military wing,

    Yeah and now even the US military is playing this stupid game, accusing Assad of supporting ISIS, which is just as stupid as the other accusations. Islamic State has conquered 50% of Syria. They have vowed to kill Assad and turn all of, not only Syria, but the entire Middle East into a Caliphate and they don’t consider Alawites to be Muslims and we know what they are doing to the Yazidi, so if Assad were supporting ISIS he would be something far worse than suicidal.

    • Will Stanton

      That’s all interesting, but I have to ask if the toppling of Libya, the smuggling of arms from Benghazi, withdrawing from Iraq to soon, the arming of moderate rebels with questionable loyalties, or sources of U.S. backed arming and training of rebels in the Gulf States didn’t contribute to some extent to the advantage of ISIS? I’m just finding it hard to believe that some bad foreign policy from the West, Gulf States, or others didn’t play a part in the rise of this group.

      • Abel Ashes

        Yeah of course bad planning and poor strategy played a role and some cynical political decisions did as well, but I would say that Islamic State was going to happen no matter what anyone else did or did not do. This movement is not reacting to political situations. They are acting out their religious delusions.

    • Will Stanton

      Also, you have any insight into the claims that ISIS is involved with former Baathists from The Hussein regime?

      • Abel Ashes

        Well, there are a few in leadership positions, but they are no longer loyal Baathists obviously and maybe never were. It is important to remember that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was an absolute police state of the kind that many of the readers of this page can only imagine ever living under. Saddam’s government was the only game in town, so to speak. The few former Baathists who became Islamic State leaders are certainly not dedicated to Saddam Hussein’s style of government any longer.

        • Will Stanton

          Thanks for the info! I will look into it more!

      • Abel Ashes

        I can tell you that contrary to many dubious news reports Izzat Ibrahim al Douri was not a member or supporter of Islamic State. After the fall of Saddam he was commander of the Naqshbandi Army not “ISI” or “ISIS”. He was a Sufi and remained loyal to the Pan-Arab Baathist ideology until his death.

      • Abel Ashes

        Two of the top deputies in Islamic State are former military officers from the time of Saddam Hussein and Baathist party rule and there are many “ISIS” troops who are former Baathist military, but again remember that Iraq conscripted men into the military. Many of these men likely always held radical Islamic views but working in the military was either not an option or was the best job they could find. Opposing Saddam openly was not an option for anyone whether Islamist or liberal. He would have you tortured or killed.

      • Abel Ashes
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      • Abel Ashes

        I just posted links to the Wikipedia pages of two of the top leaders of “ISIS” (as a starting point if you wish to research them further)., one of whom is now deceased, who were both military officers in the Iraqi military under Saddam Hussein’s rule: Fadel Ahmed Abdullah al-Hiyali, AKA Abu Muslim al Turkmani and Abu Ali al Anbari.

  • Abel Ashes

    As I said would happen: “ISIS” has once again attacked Israel and is threatening to attack Israel and Palestine, including Hamas as Hamas attacks “ISIS”

    This is another “I told you so” moment. By following “ISIS””s own propaganda and statements I already knew that some of the rockets fired from Gaza that led to the recent conflict between Hamas and Israel and caused many innocent people’s deaths, were fired by “ISIS” cells in Gaza rather than Hamas. I also knew that “ISIS” opposes both Israel and all of the Palestinian parties including Hamas. “ISIS” does not recognize the “right to exist” of either Israel or Palestine as nations. The only “nation” whose “right to exist” “ISIS” recognizes is the “Caliphate” they have declared themselves to be and the global Ummah they believe themselves to be the rightful rulers of. “ISIS” considers Israel, Fatah, and Hamas to all be illegitimate “infidel” rulers and has declared their desire to fight them all.

    Hamas has been targeting the ISIS cells in Gaza. “ISIS” has been threatening Hamas and Israel recently, vowing to use their underground cells in Gaza and Sinai to attack both. “ISIS” has claimed responsibility for a recent rocket attack from Gaza into Israel.

    Google: Islamic State Attacks Israel: ISIS Supporters Threaten Hamas, Take Credit For Launching Rocket From Gaza

  • Abel Ashes

    Islamic State is NOT state sponsored. I will keep saying it until people realize that it is true. Islamic State (“ISIS”) is an enemy of every single government that one or another conspiracy theorist, propagandist, paranoiac, or liar has accused of supporting “ISIS”.

    Islamic State has a military strategy and will not attack anyone until they are in a prepared and advantageous position to do so. Islamic State has conducted attacks against Saudi Arabia prior to the recent attacks on Shia mosques, having killed Saudi border guards in the past.

    Besides Iraq (the birthplace of “ISIS”), Syria (which has lost 50% of its territory to “ISIS”, and Saudi Arabia (which has been helping the US and Iraq to bomb “ISIS” targets in Iraq), “ISIS” is looking to attack Israel, Palestine, Jordan (another country that has been bombing “ISIS”, Lebanon (home country of “ISIS”‘s enemy Hezbollah), Turkey (which is finally beginning to take a more proactive course against “ISIS), Iran (which has troops in both Iraq and Syria helping to fight “ISIS”), Egypt (which is at war with “ISIS” cells in Sinai) Libya, Tunisia and Algeria (which are cooperating in efforts to combat “ISIS” cells in Libya) and all of the Gulf Arab countries which are allies of Saudi Arabia and seen by “ISIS” as “infidel occupiers” of portions of “the Caliphate”…..but that is just the beginning. “ISIS” sees all governments on Earth as “infidels” and only recognizes their “Caliphate” and the global Ummah they believe themselves to be the rightful rulers of according to their leaders’ extreme version of Islam.

  • Abel Ashes

    A Brief History of “ISIS”

    It’s not “an Islamic state”. It’s “Islamic State”. That is what they call themselves. They stopped calling themselves Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) or Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) a long time ago. They don’t like the title Daesh (Daeech, Daiish, et cetera…it’s Arabic so it is spelled many different ways in the Latin alphabet) which is why Muslims who oppose them prefer to call them that.

    EIIL is the French acronym for the old name that included Iraq and the Levant. Etat Islamique (French) or Islamic State (English) or ad-Dawla al-Islāmiyya (Arabic in in the Latin alphabet) or الدولة الإسلامية (Arabic) is what they call their “Caliphate” now. Islamic State sees themselves as the Caliphate not as a mere terrorist group. They see themselves as the leaders of true Islam (whatever that means) and the empire of the global Ummah. This is why Muslims who oppose them refuse to call them by their official name which is simply “Islamic State”.

    Before they entered Syria from Iraq they were “Islamic State in Iraq” (ISI) and before that they were known in the international press as “al Qaeda in Iraq” which was the primary Sunni militant group responsible for the majority of Iraqi civilian deaths and killings of US and Iraqi troops after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

    “Al Qaeda in Iraq” was what Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (founded in 1999) became when he pledged allegiance to al Qaeda in 2004. Al Qaeda and al Qaeda in Iraq had a very uneasy relationship as al Qaeda “central” (Bin Laden and Zawahiri) opposed the brutal attacks on so many fellow Muslims that Zarqawi saw fit to kill for supporting the new Iraqi democracy or “the US occupation” or for being Shia rather than Sunni.

    In January 2006 Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (“al Qaeda in Iraq”) joined with other Sunni militant groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council (MSC). In June 2006 Zarqawi was killed by US bombs in a targeted assassination.

    In October 2006 the group declared themselves to be the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and the leadership was taken up by an Islamic scholar with both a Masters and PhD in Islamic studies whose birth name was Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badri but who went by many aliases as a jihadist leader, most well known in the international press as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    in 2011 al-Nusra Front (the al Qaeda branch in Syria) was led by al-Baghdadi and he sought to merge it with his Islamic State in Iraq (ISI)/Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/ISIS) group which al Qaeda opposed. This led to the split of the two groups and since that time al Nusra and ISIS have been not only at war with the Syrian government and anti-government Syrian rebels but with each other as well.

    Finally in 2014 ISIS/ISIL/EIIL declared themselves to not only be advocates for a new global Caliphate but to be that Caliphate and declared Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to be the Caliph. This means they see themselves as the ONLY legitimate rulers of the entirety of the Islamic world.

  • Abel Ashes

    http://argumentsworthhaving.com/2015/03/14/meccan-or-medinan-guest-post-by-yama-rasaw/

    Meccan or Medinan? by Yama Rasaw

    Last week, someone asked me, “Why do some Muslims in Islamic countries resort to violence, atrocities, and kill innocent people while most Muslims in the US are decent and peaceful?” He told me his Muslim neighbor and the Muslim lady who works at the local grocery store are kind and friendly, yet couldn’t understand why groups like ISIS (aka Daesh) behead and kill innocents (even other Muslims) while the majority believe in “one culture” and co-existence.

    Since I was born in a Muslim family and studied Quran and hadiths (collection of Mohammad’s sayings and deeds), I have a pretty good explanation: Violence and peace are two sides of Islam. The peaceful side promotes tolerance and respect; the intolerant, bigoted, and hateful side focuses on Jihad, implementation of Sharia law, and forceful conversions even by shedding blood. This dichotomy in the Quran becomes clear when we compare Mohammad’s days in Mecca to later days in Medina.

    In the beginning Mohammad had only a handful of followers in the city of Mecca. He was akin to Gandhi and Jesus who wanted to spread religion with kindness. Early Meccan verses in the Quran convey compassion and forgiveness. After Mohammad moved to Medina his followers and power grew, and his message changed 180 degrees to a relentless warrior committed to eradicate all other religions in Arabian Peninsula. In one day he beheaded 800-900 Jewish prisoners of war who had surrendered to him unconditionally. He also ordered assassinations of his critics and poets for writing satirical poems.

    This change is evident in a comparison of Meccan with Medinan suras (verses).

    Meccan:
    “Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously.” 73:10
    “To You Your Religion and To Me Mine” 109:1-6
    “But if they turn away, [O Muhammad] – then only upon you is [responsibility for] clear notification.” 16:82
    “But if Allah had willed, they would not have associated. And we have not appointed you over them as a guardian, nor are you a manager over them.” 6:07
    “So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder.” 88:21

    Medinan:
    “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah.” 8:39
    “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.” 2:191
    “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”8:12
    “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…” 8:67

    Meccan:
    “Argue with people of the book, other than evil doers, only by means of what are better! And say, we believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you.” 29:45

    Medinan:
    “Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day…and fight People of the Book, who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior.” 9:29

    Muslims scholars agree that Medinan verses supersede Meccan. By abrogating peaceful verses Mohammad opened the door for violent Jihad. Muslims as minorities preach early Meccan verses to appeal to non-Muslims. We see this practice by organizations such as CAIR in the West.

    When Muslims become a majority they quote Medinan verses and start armed struggle to enforce Islamic Sharia law. See Chechnya, Niger, Kashmir, Mindanao, Afghanistan, Eastern China, Nigeria, Southern Thailand, Northern Mali, Somalia, Tunisia, Algeria, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, and other places.

    This Jihad is occurring in the cafés of Australia and Denmark to Canada’s Parliament to Paris to the Boston Marathon. It will not go away until Muslims from within Islam denounce this form of jihad. I have “moderate Muslim” friends who want stoning in town squares across America, they believe “there’s a wisdom in keeping sex slaves which most people do not understand,” they see nothing wrong with “light wife-beating.” Another Muslim family friend, a doctor, remained silent when I asked him if I should be killed for my apostasy. These Muslims are educated and some of them work for Cisco, Google, and Apple. If “moderate Muslims” believe in stoning, wife-beating, sex slavery, and killing apostates, why should we expect fundamentalists in Islamic countries to behave in a civilized or different manner?

    Yama Rasaw is an Afghan-American IT Consultant living in Northern California.

  • Abel Ashes

    Seulmas Milne wrote in The Guardian in an article about this document: “…Less fortunate was a London cab driver Anis Sardar, who was given a life sentence a fortnight earlier for taking part in 2007 in resistance to the occupation of Iraq by US and British forces. Armed opposition to illegal invasion and occupation clearly doesn’t constitute terrorism or murder on most definitions, including the Geneva convention.”

    My response: That “resistance to the occupation of Iraq by US and British forces” (and Iraqi forces) was responsible for most of the deaths of Iraqi civilians in post-Saddam Iraq and that “resistance” was mostly led by non-Iraqis such as the Jordanian Islamic supremacist Abu Musab Zarqawi (al Qaeda in Iraq). If Seulmas Milne wants to support men who bombed soldiers defending the new Iraqi “democracy”, then Mr. Milne should at least have the decency to admit that he and his fellow defenders of jihad have “fueled the rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria” more intentionally than those who have been fighting “ISIS” for years.

    Let’s be clear that in voicing support for Anis Sardar and his actions, Seulmas Milne is supporting the bombing that Anis Sardar carried out against US forces in Iraq which killed an African-American husband and father of two who was not “occupying Iraq” but helping to defend Iraq from the same Islamic “resistance” to democracy that Seulmas Milne praises. That same Iraqi Islamist “resistance” is now “ISIS”.

  • Abel Ashes

    The Koran, just like the Bible, is full of contradictions. I respect Muslims. I do not respect Islam. I respect Christians. I do not respect Christianity. I respect Jews. I do not respect Judaism. I have read the Quran in its etirety several times and regularly use it as reference material. It is true that I cannot read Arabic (yet). However I have read multiple different translations and countless interpretations from Muslims of all sorts of different persuasions. I also have friends from around the world, Muslim and non-Muslim, ex-Muslim (apostate) and “infidels” from Muslim countries and cultures, who I discuss Islam with including specific topics addressed in the Quran.

    I have also debated and argued with many extremist Muslims online including members of al Nusra and ISIS and Taliban supporters in Pakistan and Afghanistan and can assure you that for them it’s all about “true Islam”. I really wish I could agree with you that the extremists are following Islam incorrectly. I wish the more moderate, secular, and liberal strains of Islam were more in line with what is actually in the Quran, but honestly I cannot say that. If I said that I would be a liar. I have read the Quran and I know better.

    As for those Muslims and non-Muslims alike who are bound to see criticism of an ancient cult that is currently enslaving millions around the globe as a form of prejudice called “Islamophobia” yet again, let me point out that the Bible is just as bad in many respects. The Books of Joshua, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Revelations, Job are all full of horrible, immoral, evil things that no good-natured person would ever support outside of religion.

    I have read both the Bible and the Koran from cover to cover multiple times and have read much of the Hadith, have taken Middle East history and international relations classes, lived in Tunisia for several months, have known many Muslim writers and activists over the years, and can and have debated everyone from liberal and moderate Muslims to people that believe all Muslims are the same to Shia extremists to Sunni extremists. I have had online debates with members of the Free Syrian Army and Pakistani Taliban supporters. I know apostates from all over the Islamic world and their struggle is my struggle.

    I had Christianity forced on me and I was abused in the name of Christianity and it is the same with both religions. I know the scriptures well enough to show you how both the Bible and Koran justify horrible atrocities like rape, imperialism, genocide, hatred of nonbelievers, the killing of nonbelievers and apostates, war against other religions, genocide, pedophilia, condemning good people to an eternity in “hell”, promotion of primitive pseudoscience, sexism, the killing of women who have sex outside marriage, the killing of homosexuals, theocratic tyranny.

    The problem is not Muslims or Christians. The problem is that both the Bible and Koran are filled with contradictory messages. Yes there are messages of forgiveness (often for things that aren’t wrong in the first place, but I digress) and mercy for the poor and poetic inspirational sounding messages that give people hope, but they also contain messages calling for their followers to believe and do some things that are utterly insane, barbaric, ignorant, hateful, and evil.

    The Old Testament is even worse than the Koran in that regard, but the Koran is pretty awful. The problem is not a matter of stereotyping. Most Muslims would quit Islam if they would actually read and understand the Koran, because most Muslims are just ordinary good people.

    The problem is that when Islamic State takes Yazidi women (who are not considered “people of the book”) Women as sex slaves there is justification for this horrible practice in the Koran. (The Old Testament contains similar stories of “god” sanctioning “holy men” to take slaves and raping them after holy wars against non believers and pagans.

    33:50
    Sahih International
    O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

    Or as my N.J. Dawood translation reads: “Prophet, we have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave-girls whom God has given you as booty; the daughters of your paternal and maternal uncles and of your paternal and maternal aunts who fled with you; and any believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to take in marriage. This privilege is yours alone, being granted to no other believer.”

    Abel Ashes: “That verse taken out of context make makes it seem that only Mohammed was allowed to take non-believing women as sex slaves (which would be enough to demonstrate that Mohammed was an evil, perverted, and cruel, and immoral man) however…”

    Sahih International 4:3
    And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

    N.J. Dawood 1956 translation: “If you fear that you cannot treat orphans with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girls you may own. This will make it easier for you to avoid injustice.”

    Abel Ashes: Apparently, owning slaves-girls or possessing other people “by your right hand” is not seen as “injustice” in true Islam. Slavery is justified and marrying slaves is justified. Polygamy is also justified, which I don’t have a problem with as long as everyone is a consenting adult. However, true, real, authentic Islam as invented and sold by Mohammed in the Quran justifies Muslim men to take children as wives and to take non-believing women as slaves and to “marry” them against their will.

    According to the Quran Muslim men can marry up to four Muslim women if they can treat them all fairly and if they cannot they should either only marry one Muslim woman or ANY number of slave women that they possess as property because they do not have to treat non-believing women fairly. Believing in the fairy tales of God and the afterlife and angels and djinn and all the other make believe childish bullshit is apparently necessary to not be seen as worthy of death and or slavery, including sex slavery, in true, authentic, real Islam. ISIS are real Muslims.

    Sahih International 4:25
    And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    Abel Ashes: A few verses later Mohammed the “prophet”, er I mean “Allah” (wink wink), contradicts himself (as the Bible and Koran do countless times). In 4:3 he says Muslim men can marry “any” women “whom their “right hand possesses” or “slave-girls” (depending on the translation), but by verse 4:25 he has clarified that the slave-girl should be a believer. Did slave-girls have the right to say “no” I will not marry you? Nope. “Their people” were asked permission but the girl herself was not.

    Sahih International 24:31 And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.

    Abel Ashes: Neither Judaism, Christianity, nor Islam thought to outlaw slavery. Is not slavery one of the worst crimes against humanity? Isn’t slavery one of the most immoral things a person could ever do to another person? Yet in all three Abrahamic faiths God has chosen to allow slavery while forbidding all sorts of things which are not immoral.
    Sahih International 24:33

    But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess – then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

    Abel Ashes: At least Mohammed , oops I mean “Allah” has in his “wisdom” made it forbidden to force slaves into prostitution “if” they want to preserve their chastity. There is no option for the slave girl to have sex with someone she loves however. She is a slave after all. How “merciful” that she will be “forgiven” if the Muslim scum who “possess” her do choose to force her into prostitution. How “merciful” indeed.

    • Michele

      When you profess to dislike Christianity, at least don’t quote the Bible, quote the Gospel. I dare you to find in it any justification for anything other than love of the neighbour and forgiveness.

  • Abel Ashes

    Contrary to racist and xenophobic “libertarian” conspiracy theories, the people of Libya and Syria were not evenly divided between supporters of the dictatorial regimes of Qaddafi and Assad on the one side and jihadist al Qaeda supporters on the other. There are millions of Libyans and Syrians who oppose both and the peaceful protesters that were massacred by those regimes were not all Islamists. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Syrian-Atheists/363191530386710?fref=ts

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  • Tom

    A “smoking gun” for what?
    The fact that the Middle East has been a hotbed of violence for centuries? That there are factions and more factions? You think it’s a secret that the Pentagon and governments kept on top of this stuff all these years, while struggling to control the oil fields for the last four decades?
    No, folks, this is not ‘evidence’ of a government conspiracy or a “New World Order.”

  • alba

    You take us as morons. Get a life!

  • david t. krall

    AS an aside, before I give an insight to and about ISIS, Chattanooga and US intell links…I always say calculated kindness and strident calm awareness are the best weapons in dealing with deception, and duplicitous behavior…it brings out the sunshine of truth regarding someone’s true nature and intent…and shows even someone’s real and poorly cloaked intent to intimiidate to shut down others- obviously not for no apparent reason, but a very specific reason due to the very keen and skillful insights and comments that I have seen and observed on this site/comment blog…in dealing with a most important topic…and what I decided to share and contribute based on what I have explored, read and studied for a very long time…I tip my hat to all that have contributed to a very important truth here !!!

    The Chattanooga Shooter has US intell all over him, in some capacity, range or level…Two passports, one American and one Jordanian ( a very strong US ally-and big US intell presence there) …who has two passports?…who would need to passports? who could get two passports??? That sub-story is slowly being “slippped-away” and ignored…The only type of person who would or could be in that possession would be someone affiliated or crossed-paths with in a very direct way with parties in the covert world intelligence and counter-intelligence…It was reported by ABC he had a diary..another dead supposed lone wolf, again…But so far BOTH passports and the diary have NOT been shown, and I can bet won’t be shown (at least for a long while) in the true, complete and original form…last week a long-time and steady hi-school friend stated, very nervously (in his own home) that Mohammed Abdulazeez had told him he had been to Jordan and Yemen…Uhmm. Yeman lately not exactly seen as “The Paris” of the Middle East, these days. I’m sure that did wonders for his state of mind and emotional well being !!! The picture of him being shown with the long beard was stated last week as being a mug-shot and arrest photo—when??? That fact is slowly being forgotten or rarly mentioned. The picture of him in the orange shirt (which I sensed and noticed /wondered about immediately) shows him much different, and noticeably more filled out and more maturer..Wolf Blitzer stated last week that THIS photo with the orange shirt is a picture of him wearing a felon/prison shirt…Wolf Blitzer of CNN acknowledged this, even after stating the people were calling CNN to ask /inquire/noticing this point !!! He’s seemed when admitting this rather befuddled, as if embarresed that he forgot to mention this. or oint it out. When was THAT photo taken…Why? because now a computer graphic is being used as opposed to real family photo, “showing” him in a morphed/ computer generated photo of him wearing an orange /regular polo-shirt, implying thru some supposed family photo trickery that this was/is not-a prison- shirt…sound fishy??? And why and how would someone with supposed drug and alcohol problems travel 1000’s of miles?
    It’s not like he had tons of money to go to some super-state of the art luxury rehab retreat? Right?
    Like going back to that war-torn area is going to do wonders for his state of mind??? No!, he goes where there’s major tension and coincidently a strong US intell presence of a strong US ally (Jordan) where again incidently where the first, initial reports of locations of secret/covert pro-western sunni ISIS, CIA training camps (or a penetrated sector of it) are said to have and still exist. See the unmistakable historical analogy regarding an other very similar large covert “Jihad”
    (a prior large secret war) but much closer to the USA, in my other posts/comments here. Who paid his way to, during, and travel back home? How did he sustain himself for 7 to 8 months? And now no mention of his time in Kuwait or Yemen???…Early on All the major news outlets reported that police received a tip, not about a silver, convertible Mustang, but a black BMW that the Chattanooga Police believed to be involved initially over early reports of the silver car ! Why and who ISSUED that tip or lead???…One witness claimed she distinctly and unmistakenly heard what was nothing less than a 15 to 20 minute gun battle at the second location…odd for base /location like that and as opposed to the first location (where there were no guns) NOT to have guns/arms and been returning fire at or from that that base and at and back towards the shooter, as we’ve been told??? Very odd when you realize this. The 2 or 3 sophisticated high -powerd rifles that he had in his possession…no body saw him at a shooting range or any where at all?…all by himself, learned to shoot like an expert marksman, with extremely crafted and deadly weapons…and finally who at INS was connected to “other parties” (CIA?Dod?DHS?), who conveniently didn’t see or raise any red-flags, alerts or phone calls regarding a Arab American, born in Kuwait, traveling to Jordan, then in Yemen and staying in that area for 7 to 8 months, in possession of 2 (!) passports (one USA, the other Jordanian) and then after this significant amount of time comes back to the USA…and nobody batted an eye??? Try doing that yourself…red lights would probably “go off” here, where you are, and all points in between, of interests or supposed concern…you would think…unless of course the hidden but “nornal” routine is to be moved by mechanisms below the surface….this guy has the look and feel of a very dead link and very now silent…silence and disposable asset or informant.

  • david t. krall

    After watching the newest Press Briefing by authorities regarding the Chattanooga Shooting, it is clear that a clever “explanation” is being given and submitted to the press and public…
    An odd statement was made, that appeared with some attempted modification during this briefing, that the FBI and Police are NOT sure and CANNOT determine if some of the victims at the second location, at the base, were NOT (!?) the recipients and victims of “friendly fire”…which makes no sense if only one trespasser and one shooter…that lack of a determination that cannot conclude that such friendly fire did NOT ensue, as so stated today, or resulted during the melee at this second location can only be explained as a very likely possibility that a real fire-fight had indeed occurred with and between those on the base defending themselves and (at least) more than one shooter with guns and bullets firing and aimed in several directions in an almost simultaneous-shootout-like manner, which would be indicative of and consistent with some type of major fire-fight which ensued between several opposing parties.This “possibility” buttresses and backs-up the comment and statement that very afternoon of this tragedy by a near-by person who stated that “it sounded like a gunbattle was taking place…for about 15 minutes or so….”, thus a fire-fight…We are now told to believe that this shooting took apprx. five minutes or less…the only reason to explain it within the context of that time-frame, would be to minimize, constrain and constrict the “explained” time & actions of what ONE shooter is said to have done, which would be highly unlikely and implausible… thus negating and minimizing an alternate explanation and “explaining off” what was indeed a fire-fight, “a gun battle for 15 minutes…” the ministry of truth- 2015, has spoken to us and I’m sure will keep us informed…as they see fit.

  • david t. krall

    FYI…to all…An alternate view and enlightening show ( not to us !) is being shown and aired regarding a lot of what all of you, I and others have discussed here…see C-Span.2..with an almost 3 hour segment/interview with Medea Benjamin it is almost now over, BUT–WILL BE REPEATED TONIGHT AT MIDNIGHT.( or near it) ..12AM-E.S.T on C-Span 2…
    I recommend it…record it if you can and/or watch it, either way…just giving a “heads up” here…

  • anonymous

    The much of troubles in the north American country, they
    became, after the 1963 year attack, at the American government, that because
    much of the workers for inside the American government, the got horn about
    money, and those deiced, to kill, to stole and to escape, but the real heavy duties
    for they, it is to have to sustain hide their nasty crimes, they have to stay killing to any Cain of people wondering
    in about the crimes inside the government, the troubles are because They got
    stolid money, and after they kill and scape, and they leave alone the government

  • Jardi1

    Shame on Iran , Russia and China, why they do not speak out against this blunt plot of creating this Monster of ISIS, the ultimate goal is them, of course their respective spy agencies know what is going, why not tell the truth and shame and name those who helped create, fund , arm and train the terrorists in Syria and Iraq, even tyhe name. “‘Islamic State”‘ was given them before the come to light, the document revealed that Mosul and Ramadi were targets way back in 2012,, come on folks, this is clear smoking gun

    • david t. krall

      Russia, China and Iran are known to have recognized ISIS as a “creation” and used, funded, trained, and sponsored as a proxy militia and cadre or “army” and not as a “self-created -out of no-where” group”…This is part of the “why” they, RUSSIA, CHINA AND IRAN, are for this treaty between the US and Iran…It is a powerful game-changer in the Middle East which I realized last year…Many times in many forums, e.g. business symposiums in Russia, various leaders of Russia, Iran and China have recognized the false and masked “overt” or assumed purpose of ISIS by seeing and recognizing its true nature and accurately calling it an “artificial wave of terrorism”…created by “The West” (CIA.Dod,Saudi Arabia/Israeli Intell) …Many shows on RT and F-24 have repeatedly and clearly pointed this out…as have other FOREIGN news outlets….

    • david t. krall

      They have addressed this…just DON’T hold your breath expecting even so much as a superficial “soft-skimming” of or over the top, of just mentioning, of such an issue…THAT IS A “NO-FLY ZONE” topic for US media outlets…that in itself would be a game-changer and show some backbone in the media and show that those days are NOT long gone where the media appeared hungry, searching and forcing accountability like in the late 1960’s and throughout the 1970’s…BUT now its just one big tricky and manipulative distraction, like different forms of candy, one after the other,,,
      In a related story or UNstory or NONstory how much time has been addressed in the American press regarding the dropping of the Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki??? Documentaries like that used to be on American TV all the time, and either by design or default, or defacto, had shown the graphic horrors of atomic and nuclear war…and now those attempting to kill or stop the Iranian Nuc deal, I find this rather odd when this anniversary of such horror, regardless of judging the how and why, just and only the horrific consequences NOT mentioned or discussed at all or very little, in passimg on TV….This “war on terror” in a war on the mind, memory and history of our truth, reality, freedom and clarity of what has happened and what is happening in OUR world…the real world..

      • Jardi1

        I know most of Western media are controlled by neocons/Zionists and (befriended) by spy agencies, my aim was why those countries who are trageted this plot of creating ISIS, are not speaking out loudly and directly blaming the West and its surrogates in the ME for funding , arming and training ISIS and would-be ISIS terrorists.

        I Know they have been some noise , but they did not challenge ths plot enough, they should repeatedly and harshly accuse the West of being the creator of ISIS,, they need , official statements, joint press releases, calling emergency UNSC meetings, releasing any proof documents of this plot, although Westen media will ignore or dismiis such statements are reports , but the could go though via altenative media and other like minded media, even Western could not continue if top level, say, Russia, Chinese and Iranian take the airwaves.

        The problem is, the US and its allies have creagted a perception that the US and its allies cannot be blamed even if they are supporting terrorists because they are good guys, ( Good guys can support bad guys for good goals peception), but countries like Iran , Russia or China could be easily blamed of supporting terrorism, destabilization, cyper attack, aggression, being threat to world peace and freedow of navigation, and so on, this false reality should be challenged and defeated, if we accept such manufactured reality then should we part of the plot itself.

        • david t. krall

          Yes, you are correct ! And there is a direct historical precedent for this:
          The “secret war” Against Castro’s Cuba and the large operations and programs that it involved like mega large sized CIA/Pentagon operations like Operation Mongoose, JIM Wave and later Operation Condor…in Latin America, all under the guises of national security and “plausible deniability”…even the US press at the time was kept in the dark about this secret war, but just as easily “heard”- hints about it from other colleagues in Latin America…in reality, this covert war” in its time was nothing less than state-sponsored terrorism using large numbers of “exiled” elements not just from the target nation but from other “sympathetic” neighboring nations and specific nations such as Guatemala. Nicaragua and even Miami, Florida-USA (The HOME and nest of the operations) were, like in regards to Turkey currently being the “gateways” for these “recruits” trained, funded, sponsored armed to the teeth, and directly tied to the United States…SOUND FAMILIAR???? Cuba then…Syria now…all within the same paradigm and mechanisms…just a new version and “flavor” of the same operating system…

          • david t. krall

            Also, the same exact mechanisms within this operating system or paradigm in regards to being directed at Cuba, ALSO (!) took place in regards to and within SE Asia from the mid 1950’s to the early 1970’s where large networks of goons, thugs, and creeps were recruited and trained, funded, sponsored and armed to operate as militias and cadres, under the banner and designated label of “freedom fighters” against Communism, in full, tacit operational tactical and strategic support along side and also separately from US combat and intelligence. counter-insurgency, pacification, “anti”-terror special forces operations during the growing and soon to be and eventual LARGE…MASSIVE HUGE U.S. presence in that region..involving North and South Vietnam. Laos and Cambodia…best exemplified by Operation Phoenix, again, similar to what was used against Cuba, here also a very pre-ISIS like “arrangement” and set-up (among others) and if you listen to such men with such striking and sterling long winded pronouncements and equally crystal clear short-sighted and myopic vision coupled with abundantly-empty and clear lack of historical insight like Senator and Presidential candidate Lindsey Graham….we are going to make the SAME mistake again…for oil, related business interests, and holders of defensed based business portfolios…the blood of US young men which saturated and stained the jungles and rice paddies of SE Asia…could very well stain, drench and soak the sands of the Middle East under the same assumptions and duplicitous behavior….and lies.

  • Dawg_em

    What? ISIS is nothing more than Al Qaeda. You can’t very well have a policy that actively supports our supposed mortal enemy. So, redefine and rename the opposition; pretend you are arming and training moderates; then kill your ambassador to Libya when he opposes giving them surface-to-air missiles. Or…maybe it was a kidnapping attempt gone bad. In any event, Killary Hinton has her fingerprints all over this and no Republican, including Trey Gowdy’s phony committee is going to do anything about it.

    • david t. krall

      You broke the code…just like Alpha 66. 30th of November, Omega 7 or The DRE..(re: “war” against Castro)..just a minor shade of the same table-cloth, right? You covered some good points and bases here…! Right on.!..but Hillary is a used “product” and “enabler”, of this policy,
      as in being “presented” and “SOLD” to her, Kerry and the President, “SOLD” by the real “sellers”, operators, schemers and originators at and within elements of the CIA, Homeland Security and The Pentagon and their corporate allies…

    • Feb 18, 2012 Hillary Clinton – We created Al-Qaeda the group spreading terror though out Syria today. She only mentions a small bit of truth, and here is the whole background story.

      https://youtu.be/7hd-C_P3xB8

      Here is my small contribution with a small sampling from my personal files!

      US history – “How Jimmy Carter I Started the Mujahideen” – Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor 1977-1981 (Jan.1998)

      “Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter.

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a13_1240427874

      Zbigniew Brzezinski Taliban Pakistan Afghanistan pep talk 1979

      In 1979 Carters National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski went into Pakistans border regions with Afghanistan to give a little pep talk to some prospective majehadeen (Holy Warriors). In a 1997 interview for CNN’s Cold War Series, Brzezinski hinted about the Carter Administration’s proactive Afghanistan policy before the Soviet invasion in 1979, that he had conceived.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA-5T2l54_8

      • david t. krall

        Great Stuff…awesome….But we must remember just like before and what I have showed about prior “jihads”-aka operations/programs (e.g. Cuba, Vietnam) , and “prior animals” and “Frankensteins” created, trained, funded, etc. that they are in a “protected environment” that uses them and can “unuse” them at some point…but the point I am making here is the issue that parts of this “Frankenstein” of being used and can be utilized at some point for even more “expanded” and “deeper” enterprises even domestically just like the thugs and gangs used, initially, against Castro…even if not just as cover for some major event or occurrance…
        This is known as part of, or a form of blowback…a deceitful part of it (like a piece of a puzzle) and I am sure it, such “blow-back”, can be calculated, and arranged or planned as much as under the parallel safe assumption of consequential or inevitable subsequent blowback involving “recruitment”, training, orientation, funding, accountability and “vetting” of such thugs being coming and being formed as cadres and militias and so labeled as “freedom-fighters” in a new updated large covert “war” now in Syria…the newest covert scam and deception of and at amazing levels.

        • Here is more from my files! US history – “How Jimmy Carter I Started the Mujahideen” – Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor 1977-1981 (Jan.1998)

          “Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter.

          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a13_1240427874

          Zbigniew Brzezinski Taliban Pakistan Afghanistan pep talk 1979

          In 1979 Carters National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski went into Pakistans border regions with Afghanistan to give a little pep talk to some prospective majehadeen (Holy Warriors). In a 1997 interview for CNN’s Cold War Series, Brzezinski hinted about the Carter Administration’s proactive Afghanistan policy before the Soviet invasion in 1979, that he had conceived.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA-5T2l54_8

          • david t. krall

            YES !!! Ths I am familiar with…not this video but the data and info here. yes !
            Another “creation” or just taken to whole other ORGANIZED level and scope…”ZIGGY” was the “wear-wolf-in wolf’s or uhmmm hawk’s (?) clothing under Carter’s nose…I think I remember hearing at the time the Sec. Of State Cyrus Vance was not too thrilled with “Ziggy’s” overly aggressive zeal against the USSR and the use of this “new-found” army of so-called “freedom-fighters”. I remember hearing bits and pieces in the newspapers around this time about Soviet/Russian planes in that area, civilian ones, being shot down by these “freedom fighters” and if there were any survivors they were then shot, left to die or tortured to death, and that some female Russian teachers, in some areas, if captured were raped, tortured and/or shot as well…massive, HUGE amounts of CIA/DoD money & funding, training, support, etc. just like against Cuba.or in SE Asia…Here a ready made “army” of thugs, fanatics, killers and zealots…a very pre-ISIS like ISIS atmosphere, no doubt ( & no coincidence) !!! Growing and massive drug trade, massive amounts of weapons, massive covert intelligence unaccountability and criminality, proxy cadres and militias carrying out terror in the name of anti-terror….SOUND FAMILIAR??? YOU KNOW IT DOES…!!!

          • david t. krall

            Operation Ohio, Operation Phoenix, Mongoose and JM/Wave, ONI Tasks Forces, Operation Condor, Contras, Libyan “rebels”, Afghan “freedom fighters”…NOW Al Qada and ISIS…how many Frankensteins….and how many President’s does it take and will it take to shut them down and turn them off…
            The one that once tried was himself obliterated and murdered on an American Street in the noon day sun….

          • david t. krall

            one REALLY interesting side-bar very most relevant and related to all of this is the very specific story of how and why Chechen rebels for years have been “approached”, funded, supported and armed by CIA and DoD sectors to “start trouble” on and in “Russia’s Doorstep”…I am sure you are familiar with this…
            One thing I remember hearing on foreign news outlets a few years ago, just like trained criminal, fanatical anti-Castro elements wanted for Terror in, or against Cuba, A hi-ranking fanatical anti-Russian Chechen “rebel” is wanted (or was) by the Russian Gov. for mass murder via some attack in Russia where many innocent people were killed … he was for all intents and purposes “sheep-dipped”, AKA “moved” to the U.S. As of two years ago guess where he was reported to be residing….you sitting down??? ready? In the Boston Area….

  • Aug 5, 2015 British Special Forces “Dressing Up” As ISIS…What Could Go Wrong?

    The “elite” British SAS special forces are dispatching over 120 troops to Syria to dress up as ISIS fighters and attack Syrian targets. In today’s Thought For The Day, James looks back at a couple of the lowlights of the bumbling SAS forces and examines the 2005 incident where the SAS was caught in Basra dressing up as Arabs and shooting Iraqis in order to fuel ethnic tensions in the country.

    https://youtu.be/rRH3SJHSuc4

    • david t. krall

      Great Stuff !!! Man oh man.!!! ..These guys are in and part the same exact toxic chain and strain ( A very sick war-like virus !) as those who drew up the Northwoods Documents/Plans, The Gulf of Tonkin, and many others…
      Just like Operation Canned Goods, the ingenious Nazi German plan/program to convince non-stop the German People that Poland was going to attack and invade Germany…and created a deceitful, cleaver operation involving numerous Nazi German Intelligence officers and agents, some dressed as Polish soldiers, and also some Polish speaking felons in German prisons/jails (expendable) and also eventual kidnapped actual genuine Polish soldiers who would also be used near the German/Polish Border (equally expendable)…this was the “trip-wire” and “fuse”… a covert operation which was then fed and “explained” to the German people in every media outlet and source as an attempted and beginning phase of an POLISH invasion of and upon GERMANY….That ISIS “flag”, since the first time I ever saw it reminded me of the Nazi/Brown-Shirt/SA/SD/SS militia “flag” being paraded in Germany during the early days of the Nazi Presence in Germany before and after The Nazi’s solidified their power in 1932 or 1933….same thing…when ever CNN shows that “moniker” and image of some ISS “soldier” walking across the TV screen with that flag.on his shoulder..it seems so much like Nazi-brown Shirt thug and a similar Nazi type flag, so much so I have to wonder what TV or Movie Studio The CIA or The Pentagon rented to create this “AD” as if out of Madison Ave and marketed like some cheap WW2 movie now updated for use in the Middle East….

  • Sep 3, 2014 Retired Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney admits “We Helped Build ISIS”

    https://youtu.be/Z_zf7GPQqxU

  • LA Stone

    Judicial watch does not support this info and I trust them more than this site

    • david t. krall

      Did you read the first two paragraphs of this article??? Have you NOT (???) seen the interviews with this Retired Lt General Thomas McInerney of the DIA? The US Military’s’…the Pentagon’s equivalent to the CIA…??? refer to: levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012 for MORE details…and a related article posted elsewhere on this website:” DIA Docs: West Wants a “Salafist Principality In Eastern Syria ?” Are you not aware of the documented prior “precedents” outlined and detailed here, which show the detailed and documented preponderance and proclivity of such “mirrored” actions and prior behaviors???
      Surely you jest….

      • david t. krall

        follow-up: note under that “levant report” article mentioned above…see also, at its website location referenced are the related/tagged articles below it: the interview with another DIA official, AND the very predictable response from the CURRENT DIA officers via their spokesperson…NOT exactly a ringing denial of something that would have and could have been construed as a wild “theory”…but can’t be due to the origin, the paper trail and chain of this document and due to its “litigation travels” and subsequent destination of seeing and given “the light of day.”…again, surely you jest…..

        • david t. krall

          SEE the article above…”57 Years Ago….” which is not just an example of such “prior behavior”, proclivity or preponderance but a DIRECT mirror and corollary to the SAME nation-state….

  • George Truthseeker

    In this article, written by the naked truth.

    • david t. krall

      I assume you mean showing the naked truth….even the most horrendous sectors under and within the Nazi and Stalinist regimes kept records…so it would NOT an anomaly that, due to the size, breadth and scope of the US intelligence community that such a report was ordered and complied.e.g. expert and not-so expert & divergent views on Cuba and SE in the early 1960’s, from the CIA, The Pentagon and State Dept on how to deal, resolve with those issues in their time and day…even conflicting analysis and reports WITHIN these agencies or depts.

  • david t. krall

    Per my (many !) prior posts.below…Surprise…over the weekend…ANOTHER “jack-in the box” !
    On a watch list of at least (count’m -THREE) 3 nations and One of them even had a DNA sample…explain that & not known where this guy was over the weekend???…
    This CIA/Pentagon( NATO)-/Saudi/UAE/Mossad “recruitment” program is so wide spread that this guy was on a watch list of at least 3 nations and Spain’s intell services (probably more accurately NATO/CIA) had a DNA sample of him…which means at some point that either he was watched really close and known or were DIRECTLY in contact with him and was equally well known…this twisted “recruitment” program in the name of “regime change” (in Syria or maybe even latter/again in Iraq?-who Knows? SE Asia all over again?) is now showing (since at least January-Charlie Hebdo-see below) some serious signs of a major “disposal” problem….safe houses…watchlist…Turkey (the “new” NATO/CIA “recruitment” gateway to Syria)….always on some watchlist and many databases but never stopped….just a BIG coincidence….again and again….proxy wars of terror in the name of anti-terror and now showing its ugly head ( AGAIN !…and again…) in the form of a major disposal problem due to this Syrian obsession…Latin America went thru this before, due to our proxy war, obsession and large “secret war” (our “Jihad”) “recruitment” and operations/programs in regards to Cuba, and a lot of those “recruits” were kept on CIA/Pentagon “retainer” for other future operations and programs and “lent out” to “friendly” allied dictatorships.and used by their intell services…..
    The “disposal” problem” inevitably lead to more terror after fanatical/criminal “recruits” were even more induced, after training and funding, and “needing a place” to “fight” aka spread more terror…The CIA and Pentagon and their allies have a whole factory of these “recruits” and can’t keep track of them and have a serious disposal problem now in Europe, Turkey, and in the USA…assuming they recognize it, but more likely, under the covers and blankets of “national security” and “plausible deniability” adhere to a bizarre, dysfunctional, duplicitous, and knowingly publicly.overt false stated agenda to cover some twisted war-seeking.oil lust agenda…(how many times do you think when some bomb went off, some large {or small} weapons exchanges/gun running enterprise, drug deals, some form of terror was “told” NOT to be charged, “ordered” to be “dropped” or NOT to be prosecuted within Miami, or (anywhere else) in the Caribbean or throughout Latin America due to “national security” or under that banner to cover some serious links and connection to maintain a “sealed lid” of these “prior but very active”–“recruits” in a prior war???? All this sound familiar? It should…its all within the same operational paradigm….THE SAME EXACT THING….also regarding the Train incident that could have been a lot worse…so much worse…If that’s not journalist (BBC/NBC) Katty Kay who is seen on MSNBC and Meet the Press..was she on that train??? If not it is her clone…if so, why no mention of her???? THIS is odd and she appears to either be craving the limelight and/or assumed some expected role as if watching, ‘seeing over” and tagging and tagging along and even telling them where to go (???) in every possible piece of video with these 3 remarkable and brave men…… what’s with that???? ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE THIS????…and if her…why would she be sitting up there on that elevated area, sitting with the 3 American men yesterday, who helped subdue this whack-job? She was NOT one of the SIX who stopped this man, so why the “quiet” no recognition from NBC/BBC. if her ( if not it’s her clone). I have followed this very closely and watched and recorded a lot of this incident..according to F-24 there were SIX, not 4 not 5 but 6 men who helped stop this guy…HOW did he get the auto/semi automatic weapon on the train to begin with???? It sounds as if someone else might have been and maybe was part of the short melee and “wondered off”…as the one US serviceman almost had his thumb cut-off and somebody else was shot…and we were told that this nut exited the restroom armed and ready for a mass killing, with his large gun ready with over 300 rounds of ammo in a backpack/or side-pack and also had a handgun (which is said by many news reports to be the weapon that was fired which hit a rider in that train car) and a box-cutter that real cut-up and severely wounded at least one person…to the point of almost cutting off his thumb…one thing is for sure…and unmistakable…if that nut had started shooting and killed dozens upon dozens of people, including numerous Americans…it would have up-ended and changed the entire complexion, tone and voice of the current status of the Presidential debate/and race and most certainly, especially within the Republican party.race…that is a no brainer and a safe assumption….

    • david t. krall

      After doing some digging and searching I went thru via my Roku to youtube and found even further/additional videos and film clips with extended features & sources regarding that terrorist attack last week,on that European Train,,,in spite of the odd omissions and no mention of her, the woman is appropriately the US The French Ambassador Jane D. Hartley, who appears to be somewhat of a camera limelight chaser and/or a “watchdog” regarding her “presence” at almost every turn (& caught on film) with the 3 remarkable and brave American who helped to thwart and stop that attack from really taking an escalated and ugly turn last week…So it is NOT Katty Kay ( there is somewhat of a strong resemblance), but appropriately Amb Jane D. Hartley, who sat very inappropriately up on that elevated stage with the 3 Americans,,,,that was “THEIR time” !!!…not hers…she acted as if…if you watched her, and I still can’t figure out why, if nothing more to this, as if repeatedly “glancing over” and watching, monitoring and looking at every expression, word, reaction/response to and from the 3 noble Americans up on that seated stage/table…and another example? later when leaving/exiting some event, perhaps the actual French President’s award giving ceremony…the announcer on F-24 pointed out and showed a video/film clip of a picture of the entire group that was recognized, not just the three Americans but about 4 or 5 others…now if she was on that train…nobody is (oddly) saying it…BUT as this photo was being taken on the steps of this Official French Building shown, and the F-24 announcer showing this clip of the recognized heroes…there she is right smack in the middle of the picture…and as soon as the picture was taken…& was just as soon walking down those steps, ahead, not with the three Americans, talking TO (not with) them, while still they behind her and she was quickly directing them to some vehicle…One thing I’d like to know…after they got in that car and rode off …What was the level and scope of the debriefing, of and by US intell/NATO officials…an interview/debriefing that ultimately and inevitably took place….

  • david t. krall

    On the news today it was and is being reported and FOX has been the major supplier of news with MSNBC following and then CNN very unsurprisingly not really running with the reports of Intelliegnce data being “doctored” aka “skewed”, as in slanted regarding (supposed) U.S. ‘attacks” on ISIS and what the impact of these “bombings” are? … There is only one reason for intelligence data at that high a level and at the breadth or scope regarding ( again, a supposed) threat: is to manipulate and deceive.those who are supposedly ( are are believed and assumed) to be in charge, so it can be asked who and why the manipulation of intelligence data? and if you noticed, or haven’t noticed, just like with the headline of this article and main posted document above, the State Dept and the CIA and/or the high-level hawks/neo-con sectors within them ( especially near and within the top tier) are and have been oddly “quiet” about these reports as they were about this DIA report/dcoument above.. …..just last week it was reported that ISIS was filmed (by “who”) more like inadvertantly caught using large cashes and amounts of US military M-16 rifles to “train” – “Its” (?)–“recruits”…somebody almost let the cat out the bag with that…!!! This is not any different than in the early 1960’s when it was discovered several years ago that when JFK was President, he was repeatedly being told, “oh, all is going well…we killed so many VC and sympathizers.this month..just send a few more advisors”….more and more…and so-forth…It was unearthed that LBJ and his aides while he was VP (his had as many ‘connections as Nixon when he was Sen Majority leader and/while RMN was IKE’s VP–their “connections” crossed “many paths”)..LBJ had a “secret” (without JFK’s knowledge) back-door channel to the same ‘advisors” in the Pentagon and CIA ( and their superiors) who were supplying the JFK WH with one set of ( doctored–“skewed) intelligence while giving LBJ and his own “team” the real story of how bad things were really transpiring in Vietnam…the point being that if JFK really knew and realized how bad things were, he would have “pulled the the plug” sooner, much sooner regarding Vietnam and LBJ believed that more troops, if not many more advisors were needed to NOT “pull the plug”. Add the fact that JFK denied and rescinded every and all recommendations, advisements and “request” to send US military combat troops and overt
    US military operations for use in Vietnam…he was being manipulated and indications are that he discovered this manipulation and tried to cleverly” turn it “around” and back at those who were deceiving him, especially LBJ…who now lost any and all remaining credibility or any last amounts of OVERT/appearences of respect from JFK and RFK…..they soon had their one plans how to “deal with” him via LIFE magazine and other outlets..BUT, LBJ threw “his hat in” and towards “others” who had decided on how to “deal with JFK….Manipulation of intelligence data then, at that high a level AND/OR at this CURRENT level is VERY BIG and SERIOUS STUFF…A VERY BIG DEAL and for a very specific devious and duplicitous reason and part of an existing agenda, active and very much “in play”… common sense would dictate this and there is absolutely no room or reason for any other explanation or interpretation for this “skewing” of intelligence. data and information.regarding ISIS..such a reason is only to deceive and manipulate for a very specific purpose….anybody who denies such a thing when added to past proclivities, “opportunities”, recruitment “measures” and similar “habits” for training, support, funding, arming and sponsorship of similar prior KNOWN proxy cardes and militias is either ill-equipped to cognitively judge events, while they are occurring and/or has their head buried in the sand (lets hope without ISIS nor their CIA/Sunni sponsors nearby !) I hope I can speak and say this for all here, who have attempted to peel-back and expose this slimey neo-con CIA/Sate dept./UK/Saudi/UAE-Sunni/Mossad real axis of evil and deception….

  • nochipforme

    You cannot believe anything online anymore. This world is so full of deception. It’s time to shut the computer off and pray, then read the Authorized King James Bible. Work as a cog in the machine. Do my part, share the gospel and love people. real people in real life. One day, I will not be able to buy or sell anything without the rfid technology under the fake pretense that it is for “security.: Or I will get the emergency alert on my phone when we have been attacked or are under a state of emergency and then “It’s on.” I hope all you “awakened” people. wake up and seek God before you die or He (Jesus Christ) Returns, or there will be hell to pay. Ciao

    • david t. krall

      Don’t be such an OPTIMIST !!!!! There’ hope…if you wan’t to bury your head and/or give up that’s your choice…me and others here will go down fighting with our brains and insights clear, true and ever-resilient…2 quotes,,,the problems created by man can be solved by man…( in other words…we’re not letting the bad guys win…at least not his time…not sure if JFK is the originator of that quote but he used it and I don’t remember if was (if so) credited to somebody prior)…also (from Spartacus) : He’ll be back, and he’ll be millions…” (Kirk Douglas to Lawrence Olivier upon the death of Tony’ Curtis’ character…
      Don’t be you depressed THAT’S HOW THEY WANT YOU TO FEEL…cowering, in some corner…hunched and feeling totally afraid, powerless, full of fear and helplessness…NO BOOK is going to save you when you still have your brain and health…a cognitive, lucid, free-thinking brain…the best and strongest initial weapon against manipulation, and (potential) tyranny…

  • Jack Falcon

    The west has been supporting this since the rebellion against the ottoman empire,through the cold war with syria and to this day and then throws up its hands and says “extremist!” please.

    • david t. krall

      Right on…YES !!! The UK, France and then the U.S….CIA/NATO..other western intell ( e.g. UK) agencies and Saudi/UAE sectors) and related corp interests always behind the scenes…

  • david t. krall

    I watch the news intently with keen interest..have for a long time…I am a student of history as well ..see all my posts here…I watched the debate tonite, hosted CNN and moderated by Jake Tapper…according to a question, which included a sub-statement asked by Mr. Tapper, Syria is an enemy of the United States…My question is, REALLY ? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN??? How, when and where was that ever stated by the US government????? If vital interests are perceived and being projected & manipulated as being threatened by a -NEW- Russian presence to assist the Assad regime in fighting ISIS, …AND various, MANY, nations INCLUDING RUSSIA and SYRIA have blamed “The West” for the rise of ISIS than it would and could not be NOT–NOT random NOR coincidental for the United States, especially powerful sectors, and these same powerful/ influential sectors “pushing”, “selling” and pressuring the US President to feel, state such a displeasure of such a “presence” new or continuing, if its own secret double-dealing plans and duplicitous agendas were or were not being threatened….such a response and show of displeasure is like the silly magician on stage looking for and then holding “the bag”, and then asking “where’s the cat’? Akin to “almost”- “admitting” it’s own true/under the surface agenda in a very inadvertent yet oddly, yet crude transparent way…like “Ed Norton” on “The Honeymooners”, yelling to and at “Ralph Kramden, ” Secret?…I don’t have a secret, Ralph…No secret here…What’ya takin’ about Ralph…no secret here by me…any secrets are safe here…but I don’t have a secret…not me..I don’t have a secret…you’re not getting it out of me…no sir..if I did…BUT I don’t, no secret here…” you get the picture here….
    And oh yes (?) , ( according to Jake Tapper/ CNN tonight ) EXACTLY WHEN DID SYRIA BECOME AN OFFICIAL ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES???

  • Kaiser Louis-Philip V

    Predictions are not the same thing as wanting it to happen. FSA fights ISIS, al-Qaeda, and all the other terrorist cells. A quick visit to wikipedia tells you a lot about their history, with sources from numerous state departments and news outlets more credible than a partisan blog.

    Do you think any country is so incompetent and malevolent as to create a new government, orchestrate its downfall, then fund its opponents while bombing them? There would be a military revolt.

    • david t. krall

      There is no “Free” Syrian Army…any more that there was “Free” Cuban Army or a “Free” Nicaraguan Army”…remember what happened to Eden Pastora…he didn’t want anything to do with the CIA and their inducements and deceptions.in thier “war” agaisnt the Sandinista Nicaraguan Government.He hated the Contras, and their fascist, terror-like behavior and drug connections and their US CIA/Dod “handlers” …and THEY TRIED TO KILL HIM !!!
      That war war against Castro was run Entirely by VERY specific sectors and enclaves of the CIA and “related” Dod enclaves..even the ones that “weren’t were infiltrated by CIA/Dod moles…Even before the Bay of Pigs, a plan was afoot to make sure that no “moderates” were (NOT) to set foot on Cuban soil with the more aggressive and “agreeable” CIA trained elements. part of this plan was known as Operation 40…They were to be shot and/or “detained” and not part of the goals and agenda of “liberating” Cuba… The so-called Free Syrian Army is just a cover to fund, support and continue arming and sponsoring ISIS and AlQada…When a US CIA/Dod program takes place (at least once) involving the training of 5—F-I-V-E—5 ‘freedom fighters” supposedly AT A COST OF $500,000,000…that’s NOT incompetence…THAT’S A RUSE AND A SCAM,…A MEGA CORRUPT COVER “STORY” sheltering and hiding a major rat hole and money tail at, towards and for ISIS…. entertaining any other perspective defies logic, coherent thinking, lucid and cognitive use and abilities….

    • david t. krall

      I forgot to ask, you do remember the Vietnam war, right? And all the back-door deceit, duplicitous agendas, machinations, assassinations, coups and operations involving corrupt the CIA/Pentagon/US Corp. sectors and their equally corrupt numerous and varied S. Vietnamese puppets and surrogates.AND HOW THE US MEDIA AND THE US PUBLIC WERE KEPT IN THE DARK????? Perhaps I can refer you and others to the approx 40 volume work on these matters known as the Pentagon Papers, or perhaps also the mult-volume work of the US Army Forces report from, also the Pentagon, and also the lucid, and equally well documented and enlightening 5 Volume Senator Gravel edition of the Pentagon Papers??? and that’s just for starters…The way things are going, 50 years from now, possibly a similar document called “The Syrian Papers” might very well be attempted to be kept secret as well, and hopefully will see the light of day to show how we now are being equally deceived…

  • david t. krall

    10/20/15
    Everything that I have “smelled”, sensed, suspected and detected and, also shared and exchanged with others here is slowly creeping and rising to the surface. The one and only logical, lucid and inescapable conclusion that can be drawn, based upon everything that I have seen, heard and read, and from years of research, AND inversely what has not (uncoincidently) been reported on US news outlets is the unmistakable and undeniable fact that ISIS is a well-constructed tool..a covert funded, armed/weaponized, supported and sponsored cadre or militia of “terror-trained”– “army” aka a “front-line” mercenary proxy militia/cadre of pacification/counter-insurgency “unit” used as a deliberate and adjoining appendage or extremity to “assist” and result in the agenda of influential, corrupt sectors US/UK intelligence and defense agencies and their equally corrupt and equally duplicitous Sunni and Mossad friends and allies, This intertwined agenda crosses over and into the political and corp world of equally corrupt, allied, sympathetic and heavily interconnected sectors as well…Operations, “Programs” and Agendas of this caliber and breadth have interdependent cross-linkages between and within political, corporate and intell.defense sectors…no matter now audacious, duplicitous and covert…As I have attempted to layout and explain prior ( see my prior post here), the CIA’s “war” against Castro’s Cuba & the HUGE (!) pre-1965 US “build-up” in SE Asia and all the adjoining tricks and use of “plausible deniability” and “national security” , in the covert recruitment, funding, arming, training and “sponsorship” of similar militias and cadres AKA thug mercenaries (then) against CUBA or used in SE Asia by similar sectors are just two of many (!) examples of the use of terror in the name of anti-terror…What Putin, Assad and other are pointing out now (!) and calling ISIS is exactly what Kruschev, Castro and others back in 1961 and since were calling the mercenaries being USED in the covert war against Castro. The same exact thing…BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME EXACT THING !!!

  • david t. kra;;

    SO let me, and others here, get this straight and are supposed to believe that there is not cause and effect, that ISIS is NOW being slammed and on the run, and now being obliterated by Russian air force bombs and missiles and now chased on the ground by new found confidence by Syrian Army Units and NOW, in stead of “degrading” ( a code word for support and herding/moving ISIS?)..the US military wants to now pressure President Obama to NOW send US ground forces into Syria…follow the sequence here..connect the dots and use your nature and God given brain….it would be and only be to help ISIS NOT–N-O-T hinder it !!! Also coupled with a new “out of the blue” desire BY the US for peace talks? The only inescapable conclusion for that, would be due to and because ISIS is losing and such talks would give it, ISIS, and their CIA/Dod neo-con handlers time to ‘regroup” and re-vitaliize its generated neo-con CIA/Saudi Agenda and in such due time and within some advantageous and expedient time-frame will sabotage whatever peace talks take place or attempt to bring about…THIS IS HOW “THEY” WORK…IT IS PART OF THEIR GAME PLAN…..You have noticed the very uncoincidental recent ‘degrading” of ISIS news stories, since Russia started their anti-ISIS operations. It’s as if ISIS does not now exist e.g. nothing recent or very, very little on US news outlets…And I’m supposed to believe its a coincidence or just due to the 2016 election??? or Perhaps the CIA/Dod neo-cons are losing their “grip” and momentum in Syria due to Russia sincerely and actually and REALLY/GENUINELY DEGRADING, CRIPPLING and Intending on DESTROYING ISIS???…Something that the US, or more accurately neo-con controlled power-centers and sectors DO NOT WANT…their newest baby…their newest proxy army-frankenstein-cadre-militia being harassed and bombed by a foreign power…GOD FORBID SOMEBODY WOULD STAND UP AND DEFY THESE NEO-CON WAR-LOVING, PROXY FRANKENSTEIN CREATING LUNATICS AND ALSO ALONG WITH THEIR PROXY CREATION-MONSTER , ISIS….

  • david t. krall

    What could be a staring link ( one of many) or tangent point for all this?…According to a documentary on CNN aired many times, when the (now ISIS leader) known as “BIG Daddy, ( a CIA nom d ‘plume I am sure !) was in the major prison (In Iraq ?) he was “noticed” and ‘somehow” caught the attention of US Military and CIA prison officials. That could and would have been, obviously due to these officials and others having and creating files and also having moles and informants naturally inside this prison. One of these ranking US Military and/or CIA officials at this prison is quoted to have said, “Ah ! Here is a man we can deal with.!..” A quote used and that’s been inadvertently recorded many times in history, with as much importance and meaning, and with as much repercussions. And a quote used to intone and only be interpreted as for someone to be approached and used in some type of intended and “semi” reciprocal basis for secret/covert and soon to be major use and function…That prison and others like it, was, ( and still are !) nothing less that US intell controlled “incubation” centers for recruitments, sources and data. A perfect, controlled setting for such age old intell uses, proclivities, “habits” and equally age-old standard practices such as covert recruitment and “gathering”, collecting and collating intelligence and information and formation and uses of these informants for later expedient functions as assets, agents and appendages of, in this case, US intelligence and US special forces operations, e.g. the secret creation, orientation, funding and arming of a large covert proxy-frankenstein militia/cadre to “ignite” and “keep lit” an agenda, nothing less then a “counter-insurgency”- op or “war” under the guise or false ruse of SUPPOSED anti-western terror but actually and in reality an arm of such sectors….until, if l and when the situation and “need” arises to insert the direct use of regular US combat/ and/or US special forces….More dots to ponder and connet. ..We’ve seen this before….Cuba, Vietnam and on and on…Obviously, President Obama wants to leave the WH on 1/20/17 standing up and waling out, on two legs, instead some pressured possible “alternative”….

  • david t. krall

    The opening and ending lines of my post below are to be read as “starting” link….and “walking” out…Sorry…my mind and thoughts race ‘way ahead” of my fingers on the keyboard, when sharing these insights…I’ll watch myself…

  • david t. krall

    And NOW the recipient, the supposed recipient of an airline “ACCIDENT” or “random crash” is the same nation that is NOW known and recognized as EFECTIVELY interfering, intervening and literally interdicting the ISIS operation/program, and enterprise…and there-by “messing-up” the agenda of its’, ISIS,’ masters in CIA/Dod/Sunni/Mossad sectors….Would and could that airplane crash really be considered a surprise, unexpected or unpredicted?…Considering the enormity of the arrogant and unaccountable perceived stakes, investment, size and momentous effort to topple Assad using a “fake” terror, SUPPOSEDLY anti-western militia but in actuality and reality behind a covert mask of “national security” and “plausible deniability” is a creation, funded, armed and covertly used as an appendage and arm of such criminal interests and sectors…Look at my last two post of yesterday and the day before…Would not such actions by Russia, welcomed not just in Syria but also keenly perceived and seen as hopeful and possibly also applied in Iraq by it leadership, bring about such a form or retribution, from such sectors
    ??? Even China, Iran and other nations have been appreciative and have recognized Russia’s campaign against ISIS…only the US and to some degree the UK, BUT the US and its Saudi/Sunni friends especially have been very strident and very consistently vocal against this Russian campaign in Syria WHICH WAS AGREED UPON MUTUALLY BY THE RUSSIAN GOV AND THE SYRIAN GOV….and now the US has the nerve and actually is showing its “true hand” and motives by sending troops into another nation, in this case Syria, WITHOUT any expressed or even implied authorization or agreement with that nation. So two questions MUST be asked: Now that ISIS is on the run ( in Syria) and the US has shown its anger at such Russian actions, what is the real motive of US troops heading for Syria and who will they be really helping????? Also, if ISIS has claimed responsibility for shooting down this Russian civilian airliner of late Friday Night /early Sat. Morning and then Egypt has stated and attempted to contradict that ( which is odd) and then ‘somebody” has released a statement via Egyptian news sources that ISIS is not capable of carrying out such an act (how would that be known(?) and ,even so early on???). Even as soon as early this afternoon (Saturday), The Egyptian Gov. released a statement that can only be interpreted as exceedingly clairvoyant and full of ESP when it stated that based upon the plane’s type of landing and based upon the bodies recovered ( which was only at that time 15 !) that the plane was NOT shot down or the victim of terrorism. A very hasty and very quick pronouncement, to say the least !!! Now, here is the clincher…if ISIS was not capable of bringing that plane down, even though it claimed responsibility and that claim was oddly contradicted by and thru Egyptian sources…then WHO brought it down?????

  • AmerizonWarrior

    smoking gun? yeah tell that to the french…what americans want the french and everyone else to know is that the american people did not support this horrific idea…that was squarely on obama’s ugly shoulders…and because of that, he has put this nation in grave danger

  • AmerizonWarrior

    smoking gun? yeah tell that to the french…what americans want the french and everyone else to know is that the american people did not support this horrific idea…that was squarely on obama’s ugly shoulders…and because of that, he has put this nation in grave danger

  • david t. krall

    From: David T, Krall
    Regarding the attack on Friday night, before any media biased view ( from the so-called left or right, or even media “controls”) or slants were imbued, spread or given it was an immediate and still is a strong correct impression BY EVERYBODY, that the perpetrators, the “kamikazi commandos” who carried this out and brought it to horrific consequences, were a professional and top flight group. Heavily coordinated, extremely well armed, well versed and well trained with a hi-skill-set. Top-shelf. The attack at the soccer stadium itself is highly indicative, of significant, if not massive “reach ‘and “pull” due to the fact that the French president was present at and during this soccer game. Is it NOT to be assumed, but can be and is a stated fact the, just like with any other major leader, be it the USA., Russia, China, Japan, Brazil and all over Europe, and really just about all over the world, that when it was determined, probably weeks, or even two or three weeks ago that the French president was to attend that soccer match, that stadium AND its staff were screened, :”inspected’, scanned from top to bottom, above, under, below it. Every “nook and cranny” was examined and searched…every possible exit and entrance, AT least twice and even right beforehand. Now, if it is a given that such an operation, with a high degree of “success” which was predicated and warranted on such significant overt and obvious levels of expertise, including the planning ( which itself took some effort to avoid discovery during this planning stage) which occurred and with just, at this one specific and vital location, it is indeed, a glaring example and display of this level of skill and expertise. THAT THE ATTACKERS, HERE AT THE STADIUM ALONE, IN COORDINATION AND IN PRE-PLANNED CONTACT WITH THEIR ACCOMPLICES, WERE ABLE TO PENETRATE, COMPROMISE AND CIRCUMNAVIGATE the security and protective net and procedures that are strictly in place and followed for the safety of the French president, WERE ABLE TO BREACH AND OVERRIDE such procedures, including being able to accomplish the rigging and planting of bombs secured and placed within one of the large TV display monitors, is a feat that can only be attributed not to or only the attackers BUT TO THEIR COACHES, HANDLERS AND TRAINERS, who obviously are extremely well versed and themselves of an EXTREMELY HI LEVEL SKILL SET WITH ABUNDANT AMOUNTS OF EXPERTISE IN PLANNING AND CARRYING OUT SUCH ACTIONS AND ENTERPRISES. This attack at the stadium just alone and by itself shows and displays an exceedingly well coached team of attackers and killers that by themselves could NEVER have compromised the security and protective procedures and devices in-place and used as standard operating and by-the book rules of protection of world leaders, in this case the French President. . We can state with an amount of certainty that their trainers, handlers and coaches themselves, well connected, are extremely proficient and were once, themselves, well trained in the “black arts” of sabotage, espionage and in the uses of, for all intents and purposes terror, avoidance detection-including “real” and fake passports, etc, ( if and when nec), weapon use and transport, bomb making and transfer, etc.This attack, alone at the stadium, with the presence of the French President, is highly characteristic of group of extremely well coached and well versed practitioners who did the foot work while “others” ( their handlers) next to and behind them guided and assisted them in stepping over and into the “breached and opened windows” of a usually VERY secured domain. That is an undeniable fact. We can only imagine the skill set and mental mind-set of their handlers and coaches, who no doubt have been involved in similar operations world wide. More to follow…

  • david t. krall

    From what have been able to deduce and approximate from watching and listening, ( not just seeing and hearing) and in turn connecting many dots, from just about every possible major news outlet ( I strongly suggest and advise watching FIRST and primarily , if not only. F-24 news about this !!! ) It is within the high possibility, BUT (!) more like a very strong likelyhood that Operation Gladio, or something like “has been “re-created”, rebranded, repackaged, even “re-rationalized” within bureaucratic circles, and (even more) “insulated” and cleverly wrapped” has indeed been activated and is in its very current ‘activist” stages. For all intents and purposes, “dusted off” “plugged in”, again. It appears to have been “ramped up” since January with the Charlie Hebdo “episode”. These series of activities in France, just like “in yesteryear” primarily directed, sustained and well coordinated in primarily but not isolated to Italy then, and now in regards to the Friday, Paris attack, are way too sophisticated, and planned in such a professionally surreptitious manner and fashion to be passed off and accepted as the work of “terrorists”, BUT VERY WELL CONNECTED, BACKED, SPONSORED, ARMED AND TRAINED PROS, exactly as stated by the French government on Sunday night. Pros’ with a long and translucent but very connected leash back to their handlers, sponsors and trainers. No doubt, highly indicative of their own expertise, which is abundantly clear. This team of killers, was VERY well coached and VERY well trained, and was sustained and moved with a significant and hi-level amount of “reach” and pull”, for it to have planned and then carried out such a wide-spread, well coordinated “strike” operation with much ‘shock and awe”. This was the true work of “magicians” well crafted, with much experience in the “black arts” and “dark world” where such operations require, warrant and ultimately as well, really explain and show such actions and proclivities as being an extremely a very hi-level skill set of proficiency, and experience.

  • Aldous Huxley
  • bygraceursavd

    It has long been known the US was the reason ISIS began in the first place. Obama made a big deal about “ending the war” in Iraq and pulling out all USA Forces. Only saying that, knowing full well that Al Quaida , the Muslim Brotherhood, and other Jihadists would take over. They became ISIS, with Obama’s un-spoken blessing. His JV Team is now a Full Team with many on the bench waiting eagerly to play. The Main Stream Media knew this also.

    • david t. krall

      They didn’t need Obama’s “blessing” , anymore than “W’s” blessing…That’s just for show…It was and has been an agenda in motion, like a speeding/ accelerating train or a downhill “snowball ( or snowjob !) getting bigger and bigger moving down hill…Obama only signed off on it ( part pressure/part duped/part “sold” aka manipuated) to subdue, or at least bend towards/fend off , “meet” his neo-con/hawks halfway” to placate them ( with his foolish belief & self perception of not knuckling under or caving in totally to “them”, WHICH HE HAS,anyway ! Has anybody noticed the sheer, unmistakeable look of intimidation if not cowering fear when he was standing at a podium and on the same stage with THE TOP military and national security heavy-weights about 10 days ago and also about 3 months ago??? No swagger or strut there ! It was very obvious..– What’s the next best thing to a WH jumper { as a “warning”?} Bring the WH to him, as in Hawaii over he weekend, where some guy had his drone flying above the Pres. motorcade and/or his vacation /holiday break residence. He was detained and questioned-BUT NO FURTHER DETAILS WERE GIVEN.–just like I predicted…akin to the Thanksgiving WH jumper). It is like I have said before here, in other posts and comments… Just like the ongoing agenda ( just one example, but a good one) of a mega/large op-program at regime change using thugs and terrorists, criminals and gangs, mercenaries and fanatics for profit, formed as murderous militias and killers cadres covertly and cleverly funded, organized, sponsored, trained, armed and weaponized” and used once against Castro’s Cuba ( see: Operation Mongoose/ JiM/Wave, ZR-Rifle, Operation 40, 54/12 Committee, ONI Task-Forces, later Operation Condor and Operation Charley, etc) ISIS is NO different than the thugs used by CIA/Dod/US. Corp sectors and regional allies and regional surrogates. Since at least 1948, its all part of the same covert intell;defense paradigm…part of the same playbook…ISIS is just the most current proxy ‘army” or cadre/militia with a few “extra layers of plausible deniability and “blanketed” and wrapped”… & “sweetened” with an extra of “deniabiity” within the current “terror-framework or mindset” to cloud, for or confuse perceptions…..a perfect “wrap”…

  • King of Jerusalem

    I want to marry a brave Russian female

  • Keithon de Bique

    You can “count” on the MSM to grill Barry on his role in the IS planned take over