Must-Know Facts about the Chokehold Killing of Eric Garner

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Bipartisan Condemnation

The first thing to note about the police killing of Eric Garner in New York is that – despite what you may have heard – this is not a partisan issue.

Fox News commentator Judge Napolitano says that the Grand Jury should have indicted the NYPD police officer who applied the lethal chokehold for excessive force

George W. Bush said that the grand jury decision was “hard to understand.”

And the Christian Science Monitor notes:

Many on the political right and left united to condemn the grand jury decision, a rare event in an age of acute polarization.

The cover of the conservative New York Post says: “IT WAS NOT A CRIME,” written in big, bold letters, accompanied by still frames of Pantaleo putting Garner in a chokehold.

Fox News syndicated columnist and contributor Charles Krauthammer called the grand jury’s decision “totally incomprehensible.”

“I think anybody who looks at the video would think this was the wrong judgment,” Krauthammer said.

“It defies reason. It makes no sense,” wrote Sean Davis at the Federalist. “Just going on the plain language of the law, the police officer who killed Garner certainly appears to be guilty of second-degree manslaughter at the very least … All we have to do is watch the video and believe our own eyes.”

Leon Wolf of the conservative blog Redstate wrote, “This decision is really and truly baffling to me, and infuriating besides.”

Conservative commentator Erick Erickson endorsed this statement from the conservative Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. “[A] government that can choke a man to death on video for selling cigarettes is not a government living up to a biblical definition of justice or any recognizable definition of justice.”

Twitter also lit up with reaction, with many on the right uniting to condemn the decision.

For example, Noah Rothman – Associate Editor at Hotair – tweeted:

This is one of those moments where left and right could unite. Few seem comfortable with this outcome.

History of Violence and Choking

Time Magazine reports that chokehold complaints against the New York Police Department are the highest in a decade – 219 last year alone – despite being banned for last 20 years.

The NYPD police officer who applied the chokehold which killed Garner had been sued 3 times for violating African-Americans’ constitutional rights.

Prosecutor Did Something Very Unusual

The second thing you should know about Eric Garner’s grand jury is that the prosecutor did something very unusual.

Specifically, he let the accused officer testify directly to the grand jury.  (The same thing happened with the Michael Brown grand jury).

As the New York Times points out:

“In the majority of cases, defendants do not testify in front of a grand jury,” said James J. Culleton, who has represented police officers in high-profile police shootings, including those of Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell.

Law school teacher Marjorie Cohn – president of the National Lawyers Guild – explains:

In a normal grand jury proceeding, the prosecutor presents evidence for a few days and then asks the grand jurors to return an indictment, which they nearly always do. Of 162,000 federal cases in 2010, grand juries failed to indict in only 11 of them, according the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

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Justice Antonin Scalia explained the function of the grand jury in United States v. Williams as follows:

[I]t is the grand jury’s function not “to enquire . . . upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,” or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine “upon what foundation [the charge] is made” by the prosecutor. [citations omitted] As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented.

Every principle Scalia cited was violated in this case.

Moreover, the district attorney didn’t even ask the grand jury to consider a charge of reckless endangerment … which would have been much more likely to have resulted in an indictment.

Policy Choices

Policy choices and priorities are largely behind Garner’s death.

After all, the big looting is happening on Wall Street, not in poor black communities. But the government has decided not to lay a glove on those committing criminal fraud on Wall Street.

Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi notes:

After yet another non-indictment following a minority death-in-custody, the police suddenly have a legitimacy problem in this country.

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Law-enforcement resources are now distributed so unevenly, and justice is being administered with such brazen inconsistency, that people everywhere are going to start questioning the basic political authority of law enforcement. And they’re mostly going to be right to do it, and when they do, it’s going to create problems that will make the post-Ferguson unrest seem minor.

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The psychic impact of these policies on the massive pool of everyone else in the target neighborhoods is a rising sense of being seriously pissed off. They’re tired of being manhandled and searched once a week or more for riding bikes the wrong way down the sidewalk (about 25,000 summonses a year here in New York), smoking in the wrong spot, selling loosies, or just “obstructing pedestrian traffic,” a.k.a. walking while black.

This is exactly what you hear Eric Garner complaining about in the last moments of his life. “Every time you see me, you want to mess with me,” he says. “It stops today!”

This is the part white Middle American news audiences aren’t hearing about these stories.

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The press and the people who don’t live in these places want you to focus only on the incidents in question. It was technically a crime! Annoying, but he should have complied! His fault for dying – and he was a fat guy with asthma besides!

But the real issue is almost always the hundreds of police interactions that take place before that single spotlight moment, the countless aggravations large and small that pump up the rage gland over time. [The same is true in Ferguson.]

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This policy of constantly badgering people for trifles generates bloodcurdling anger in “hot spot” neighborhoods with industrial efficiency. And then something like the Garner case happens and it all comes into relief. Six armed police officers tackling and killing a man for selling a 75-cent cigarette.

That was economic regulation turned lethal, a situation made all the more ridiculous by the fact that we no longer prosecute the countless serious economic crimes committed in this same city. A ferry ride away from Staten Island, on Wall Street, the pure unmolested freedom to fleece whoever you want is considered the sacred birthright of every rake with a briefcase.

If Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon had come up with the concept of selling loosies, they’d go to their graves defending it as free economic expression that “creates liquidity” and should never be regulated.

Taking it one step further, if Eric Garner had been selling naked credit default swaps instead of cigarettes – if in other words he’d set up a bookmaking operation in which passersby could bet on whether people made their home mortgage payments or companies paid off their bonds – the police by virtue of a federal law called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act would have been barred from even approaching him.

There were more cops surrounding Eric Garner on a Staten Island street this past July 17th then there were surrounding all of AIG during the period when the company was making the toxic bets that nearly destroyed the world economy years ago. Back then AIG’s regulator, the OTS, had just one insurance expert on staff, policing a company with over 180,000 employees.

This is the crooked math that’s going to crash American law enforcement if policies aren’t changed.

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When that perception sinks in, it’s not just going to be one Eric Garner deciding that listening to police orders “ends today.” It’s going to be everyone. And man, what a mess that’s going to be.

But don’t listen to Taibbi … he’s a muckraking journalist.

Let’s instead listen to one of the nation’s top criminologists – law school professor William Black, who led the nation’s enforcement against S&L executives who committed white collar crime, obtaining convictions on over 1,000 of them – who writes:

New York City exemplifies two perverse criminal justice policies that drive many criminologists to distraction. It is the home of the most destructive epidemics of elite financial frauds in history. Those fraud epidemics hyper-inflated the housing bubble and drove the financial crisis and the Great Recession. The best estimate is that the U.S. GDP loss will be $21 trillion and that 10 million Americans lost their jobs. Both numbers are far larger in Europe. The elite “C Suite” leaders of these fraud epidemics were made wealthy by those frauds through bonuses that measured in the billions of dollars annually.

The most extraordinary facts about the catastrophic fraud epidemics, however, is New York City’s reaction to the fraud epidemics. Not a single Wall Street bankster who led the fraud epidemics has been prosecuted or had their fraud proceeds “clawed back.” Not a single Wall Street bankster who led the fraud epidemics is treated as a pariah by his peers or New York City elites. New York City’s elected leaders have made occasional criticisms of the banksters, but Mayor Bloomberg was famous for his sycophancy for the Wall Street banksters that made him wealthy. In 2011, Mayor Bloomberg attacked the “Occupy Wall Street” movement for daring to protest the banksters ….

It is, of course, depraved to claim that because banksters are made wealthy through fraud and pays a small portion of that wealth in taxes they should not be held accountable for those frauds because they are important to local finances. The claim becomes all the more risible when we take into account that under Dimon’s leadership JPMorgan became infamous for engaging in and facilitating billions of dollars in tax evasion that cost many governments, including NYC, enormous amounts of tax revenues. As a final indignity, most of the purported amounts that JPMorgan paid in settlements with DOJ are actually paid by the U.S. Treasury because DOJ allowed JPMorgan to treat large amounts of those payments as tax deductible.

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The reality was the Dimon and Blankfein were leading two of the world’s largest, most prestigious, and most destructive criminal enterprises. Nevertheless, as their repeated, massive felonies become more evident every month and as the Libor and FX conspiracies demonstrate that the CEOs of our largest banks are running criminal enterprises, their elite peers have not only failed to denounce the banksters but have instead demonized those who try to restore the rule of law in America as Nazis.

The crisis is marked by exceptional recidivism by these banks and banksters, the rapid progression of fraud in terms of severity and its spread through the elite banks, and the creation of a massively corrupt culture in banking and their political allies in which even the largest and most destructive frauds are ignored and the perpetrators are shielded from even the mildest forms of accountability. To sum it up, NYC exemplifies the moral depravity, endemic criminality, and resultant breakdown of the criminal justice system that “broken windows” theory predicts.

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This class-based rush to shield elite white-collar criminals from even the mildest forms of administrative accountability (the SEC uses “broken windows” as a PR slogan, not a reality) while simultaneously adopting an ultra-aggressive policy of arresting mostly poorer Blacks and Latinos for the most minor of offenses (e.g., selling small numbers of cigarettes from broken packs). The proponents of using “broken windows” to arrest large numbers of minorities for minor property offenses almost never demonstrate any awareness of the obvious obscenity and disaster of allowing banksters to grow wealthy by defrauding with impunity. Eric Garner ends up dead because the police arrest him for selling goods without paying sales tax (amounting to several hundred dollars in lost government revenue over the course of a year). The fraud epidemics cost that drove the financial crisis and the Great Recession cost our Nation $21 trillion – and no senior banker who led the frauds in even arrested.

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The proponents of mass arrests of disproportionately poor Blacks and Latinos for minor property offenses had a superb and unprincipled PR machine. Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, eventually admitted his guilt to a series of felonies. The NYPD PR machine claimed that NYC’s reduction in reported crime was produced by “broken windows” policing. The reality was that most major municipal areas that did not employ “broken window” strategies reported substantial reductions in crime in the same time period. Further, the police in many cities were employing new strategies during this same time period, so attributing causality to the reported crime reductions (a) to police strategies in general or (b) any particular police strategy is generally unreliable. (Criminologists also know that reported crime levels are often unreliable. Local officials frequently game the numbers and Kerik later confessed to committing many acts of deceit in connection with other events.)

In addition to arresting large numbers of poorer, darker-colored citizens for mostly minor property crimes under the rubric of “broken windows,” NYC followed a strategy of massively increased “stop and frisks” of disproportionately poorer Blacks (50%) and Latinos (30%). By 2011, the NYPD was conducting 684,000 humiliating “stop and frisk” actions in a single year (nearly 1874 per day – with an average of 1500 of those being Blacks and Latinos). Only a small percentage of these humiliations result in successful prosecution. To its credit, the Cato Institute has excoriated the NYPD’s stop and frisk policies. The average large bank’s C Suite has a dramatically higher crime incidence than does a street in Harlem. All the property crimes committed cumulatively by Black and Latino residents of Harlem over the last 400 years were exceeded in the typical minute of the Libor fraud and cartel.

To this systematic anti-prioritization of criminal justice resources that causes the NYPD to ignore the most destructive property crimes in history that are (disproportionately) committed by elite whites and focus overwhelmingly on the least destructive property crimes committed in parts of the city (disproportionately) inhabited by Blacks and Latinos one must add “stop and frisk,” the outright racist effects of the sentencing disparity for powder v crack cocaine, and the emphasis on arresting drug sellers overwhelmingly in poorer areas inhabited disproportionately by Blacks and Latinos. Collectively, the strategy means that policing in NYC is aimed overwhelmingly at Blacks and Latinos, creates the constant humiliation of young Blacks and Latinos, makes it inevitable that large sections of these communities will view the police as the problem rather than the solution, and produces the self-fulfilling prophecy of leading to grossly disproportionate numbers of Black and Latino males having criminal records that impair their ability to get jobs and form well-functioning families. The resultant hostility between the police and much of the community means that both groups feel that they are under siege by the other.

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Criminologists generally do not agree that research has demonstrated any such “necess[ity]” [for a broken window enforcement strategy]. Criminologists increasingly recognize the extreme costs inflicted on society of applying the racialized and class-driven counter-prioritization of “broken windows” strategy in the manner used by the NYPD.

Ironically, the “broken windows” strategy worked far better in the context of elite white-collar, e.g., in our response to the control fraud epidemic that drove the savings and loan debacle and our crackdowns on junk bond and liar’s loan frauds. “Broken windows” strategies against elite white-collar crimes have far fewer drawbacks than they do in the blue-collar sphere. Conservative proponents of “broken windows” strategies against blue collar crime, however, rarely mention elite white collar crime. Sadly, Sutherland’s observations about the unwillingness of elites to take elite white-collar crimes seriously and the resultant enormous cost of such crimes remains largely true 75 years later.

The “broken windows” strategy against blue collar crime and the related strategies that have made it inevitable that criminal justice enforcement will be unjust and will fail against elite white-collar criminals also makes it inevitable that large numbers of Blacks and Latinos and the police will be largely unable to understand each other and work together.

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How many Blacks and Latinos must we incarcerate and even kill for trivial offenses in order to optimally improve the “quality of life” of Blacks and Latinos?

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The Black and Latino communities have heard, ad nauseum, “politicians” “explain” why “quality-of-life enforcement” is supposedly “necessary” in their communities. They have heard the thunderous silence of the proponents of this claim – the failure to even attempt to “explain” why “quality-of-life enforcement” is not necessary on Wall Street. They do not accept the validity of the explanations and they know full well why the NYPD refuses to even try to enforce the rule of law on Wall Street.

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Criminology can help. The mother of all serious crime “hot spots” in NYC can easily be mapped using Geographical Information System (GIS) software. The system would generate nice tight crimson circles around the C-Suites of the twenty largest Wall Street banks and bank holding companies.

Questioning Authority May Get You Killed

Garner’s real crime – the one that got him killed – was questioning the police.

Civil rights legal expert John Whitehead writes:

If you don’t want to get probed, poked, pinched, tasered, tackled, searched, seized, stripped, manhandled, arrested, shot, or killed, don’t say, do or even suggest anything that even hints of noncompliance. This is the new “thin blue line” over which you must not cross in interactions with police if you want to walk away with your life and freedoms intact.

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Eric Garner, 43 years old, asthmatic and unarmed, died after being put in a chokehold by NYPD police, allegedly for resisting arrest over his selling untaxed, loose cigarettes, although video footage of the incident shows little resistance on Garner’s part. Indeed, the man was screaming, begging and insisting he couldn’t breathe. And what was New York Mayor Bill De Blasio’s advice to citizens in order to avoid a similar fate? Don’t resist arrest. (Mind you, the NYPD arrests more than 13,000 people every year on charges of resisting arrest, although only a small fraction of those charged ever get prosecuted.)

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Clearly, when police officers cease to look and act like civil servants or peace officers but instead look and act like soldiers occupying a hostile territory, it alters their perception of “we the people.” Those who founded this country believed that we were the masters and that those whose salaries we pay with our hard-earned tax dollars are our servants.

If daring to question, challenge or even hesitate when a cop issues an order can get you charged with resisting arrest or disorderly conduct, you’re not the master in a master-servant relationship. In fact, you’re not even the servant—you’re the slave.

This is not freedom. This is not even a life.

This is a battlefield, a war zone—if you will—governed by martial law and disguised as a democracy. No matter how many ways you fancy it up with shopping malls, populist elections, and Monday night football, the fact remains that “we the people” are little more than prisoners in the American police state, and the police are our jailers and wardens.

There is obviously a giant racial component to the overwhelmingly white grand juries in New York and Ferguson acquitting white police officers who killed black men.

But – given that peaceful protest, dissent or questioning government policy are now labeled “terrorism” – it is really a power trip by the powers-that-be against anyone who would question them.

After all, numerous top U.S. government officials have all said we’re in or very near to becoming a police state.

Indeed, the militarization of police in modern America is  the exact thing the Founding Fathers fought the Revolutionary War to stop.

The question is whether we’ll stand up for one another.

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  • Party Like 1999

    The chokehold by a cop on Garner is nothing compared to the chokehold by Wall Street on US workers and the chokehold by Israel on US foreign poilicy… No one can breathe.

  • curri

    “There is obviously a giant racial component to the overwhelmingly white grand juries in New York and Ferguson acquitting white police officers who killed black men”

    Thee OIC on the scene was a black female sergeant. If she thought the white cop was doing something wrong she could have stopped him at any time. So they both should be indicted-anything else is insane.

    But then Murrica is completely insane.

  • Police have no CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY to protect YOU!

    From The Movie “In Search Of The Second Amendment.”What you have to understand is that they are not here to protect you or anyone else but themselves.That is why if someone steals your property (Car,Money,Etc..) You can’t sue them because they failed to protect it-THEY OWE YOU NO DUTY! That is why you can’t find the WORD Police anywhere in the Constitution. Look at 911- The “Constitution” says they are here to protect us and our Rights-yet they come right out and say “we can’t be sued for 911” because they don’t have a duty to protect. Plain and simple folks, we have been hoodwinked one more time.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=2&

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUjo8epJG2A

  • unheilig

    We no longer have police. We have (pick one) Gestapo, or an occupying army.

    • John Liozeris

      We have thugs in uniform.

      • truth

        People will keep quiet out of fear. Like that pastor Martin Niemöller, who wrote the poem “First they came…” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_

        “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

    • TARDRE

      And you know. When you say it like that you sound like a radical. But question a cop’s authority and see how much road rash you get on your face.

      We have all seen the videos of women being dragged out by their hair, body slammed repeatedly or the video of a woman in custody where one sec she is fine but drunk, then off video something happens, and back on video it looks like she was hit in the face by a Louisville slugger 6 times.

      And we asked for this. By being weak and nonchalant when we see these things. I support cops but I will question each event with a fresh pair of eyes.

  • Guest

    Thirty four years of police work behind the following comments. First off I hate the idea of using cops as cigarette tax collectors. Unfortunately cops can’t refuse to enforce stupid laws. The cops in this video tried to use a typical arm grab to handcuff this 6 5″ 350 lb man. He pulled away from them like they were children. They have no option now but to increase the force until they overcome his resistance. They take him to the ground and hand cuff him. He,s saying I can,t breath but someone who can’t breath can’t talk. They don’t hit him. They don’t beat him. They simply overcome the massive resistance of this huge man. He of course amped his body up with massive adrenaline and his heart gives out in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Even the most anti-police of you must understand that the police cannot allow a man to defy the law just because he is bigger and stronger than a single or two or three officers. What would you have the police do when a person successfully resists arrest? Walk away? The fact that the man died is simply not that uncommon in the police service. In my precinct the same situation occurred in arresting a large muscular assault suspect who fought with four officers who were barely able to control him. His adrenaline pump shut down his heart also. He was not choked or beat but only wrestled into compliance. In this current casethe suspect was not choked and his throat was not injured. He was taken down by a seatbelt hold with his arm between his neck. This is a sad incident. If you wish to assign blame, blame the politicians who sent the cops out to be tax collectors and blame the suspect for believing he could physically resist a lawful arrest. The cops were just caught between these two mistakes doing their duty.
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    Bob Wiro No Choke Hold was used, they used a “Seat Belt” hold to take him to the ground so they could control him!
    December 3 at 11:09pm · Unlike · 3

    Debbie Codino Rowley Well said as usual
    December 4 at 5:23am · Unlike · 2

    Lisa Anderson Exactly. The same Lefties complaining enacted the stupid law they had to enforce. But they are more worried about large sodas and plastic bags to worry about the consequences of their ridiculous regulations
    December 4 at 6:35am · Unlike · 4

    James Macomber Spot on sir…
    December 4 at 6:40am · Unlike · 2

    Richard Seufert Gentle Giant #2 had a record of 30 arrests. This arrest was for selling single cigarettes. It has not been said if the cigarettes were “Bootlegged” But consider if the cigerettes were bootlegged. Here’s the charts on state and city tax rates. If these …See More
    December 4 at 6:56am · Unlike · 2

    Susie Towery Dunn Spot on!
    December 4 at 7:09am · Unlike · 1

    D.j. Garcia Well said(written) Karl!
    December 4 at 7:36am · Unlike · 1

    D.j. Garcia The only precept I disagree w/ you on, is the, “I was just following orders” idea. 100’s of millions of innocent people died in the 20th century at the hands of those that were, “just following orders”.
    December 4 at 7:59am · Unlike · 1

    D.j. Garcia When we are being run by tyrants and madmen, it is ultimately up to the soldier to disobey or disregard tyrannical law. Just because some greedy, evil politician wants every last pennies worth of transactions taxed and accounted for, it doesn’t have to…See More
    December 4 at 8:04am · Like

    D.j. Garcia The problem is that REAL crimes are happening, while these men were wasting time arresting a man who was harming no one but real crimes are what fund the political machine, whether it be from kick backs or the justification to tax the living crap out of us to keep the industrial prison complex’s gears greased and rolling. This society is gone, the writing is on the wall.
    December 4 at 8:10am · Like

    James McDaniel As Karl said, this is not the first time this has happened and as long as people support those who make the decision to resist an arrest, it won’t be the last. I have used the same technique more times than I can count, because the quickest way to ins…See More
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    Jim Speirs Certainly, the cops involved here had no intention of killing a man. And, the $70 million lawsuit filed against the city & department will go a long way in settling the suffering of the family. But still, I wonder why (here and in Ferguson) such simple…See More
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    D.j. Garcia “Resisting the arrest” isn’t the real issue here. The real issue is, should this guy have been arrested in the first place. We have elevated man’s law above God’s law. This is why crap like this is happening. God’s law = “endowed by our Creator” the ma…See More
    December 4 at 9:03am · Like

    James Macomber D.j. ~ Use that argument in court and see where it gets you…
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    D.j. Garcia I know exactly what you are saying James and you are correct. It only points to the fact that scum has taken over the rule of this once great nation and the enforcement of their will is the problem. Regardless of our opinions, what’s coming is going to…See More
    December 4 at 9:11am · Like · 1

    James Macomber D.j. ~ Can’t argue with you on that…I saw a bit on O’Reilly last night where a Texas college student ripped off Jesse Watters and did a little Q&A on campus. Nobody knew who won the Civil War, couldn’t name a single Senator…but they all knew who “Snookie” was. The 3 kids I watched on “Kids Week Jeopardy” last night are more intelligent than the 12 College morons who were interviewed…We are in big trouble…
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    D.j. Garcia Ultimately, “we the people” are to blame for the mess we are in. My personal belief is that the gov. is only a reflection of the character of those it governs. Well gentlemen, it’s been a pleasure, now I’m off to work and make some money to support everyone stealing from us. Have a nice day.
    December 4 at 9:29am · Like · 2

    James Macomber You too…
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    Tom Tyler There’s a legal process that you , as an American citizen ,can go through to address any grievance you might have over a particular law . You have many avenues to pursue ( courts to Congress ) to seek remedy for a perceived injustice . What you Can’t…See More
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    Mary Dowling Meyer The left wants complete lawlessness. The police officers were doing their job. The grand jury was comprised of 23 men and women. Only 12 were required to determine one single charge of which they could not. Why? Because it didn’t exist. 9 were black and the 27 yr veteran black female Sgt. supervised the arrest and did not intervene. This is all part of the “transformation”.
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    D.j. Garcia Yeah Tom Tyler, considering that the ones behind making all of these “laws” have the power to print money at will, how can anyone counter them in their own courts. They pay for the judges and lawyers and everything else. Thanx for the pretty story however.
    December 4 at 6:22pm · Like

    Tom Tyler Dear Mr.Garcia . Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for driving without a license, marijuana possession, and false impersonation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such a…See More
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    Theresa Kennedy-DuPay Perfectly said Karl, thank you…
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    Don Dupay You are totally right on Karl Mcdade.
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    D.j. Garcia Tom Tyler, I didn’t know these things. No need for a prompt however; I would have volunteered a “Thank you”. P.S. Thank you.
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    William Haunsperger You know, when you think about it, the person actually responsible for Eric Garner’s demise (other than MickeyDees, Burger King, and KFC), is the Reverend AlSharpton.Mr. Garner had been arrested some 31 or more times by the police, all apparently witho…See More
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    Karl Mcdade To quote the sixties radicals,’RIGHT ON” Bill.
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    Theresa Kennedy-DuPay Hey! Are you callin Don a sixties radical? Thems fighting words! LOL…
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    Franke Wollin Yet nobody seems to be talkking about the black woman seargant that was briefly in the unedited video giving the orders in the first place.
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    Loren W. Christensen Very good summation, Karl.
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    • acerinker

      Thirty years of indoctrination, not experience.
      Ever hear of the Nuremberg Trials? “I was just following orders” does not exonerate shitheads, shithead.

      When (not if) we have Nuremberg 2.0, it will likely be presided over by a guy named Vladimir. Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya’?

      If I were you/
      I’d sleep with one eye open/
      ‘Cause the day is fast approachin’/
      We’re comin’ for you/

    • Joseph_Jones

      I’ll tell you why you’re full of shit, as are most/all PO. The PO used excessive force because they killed the man. The force used is specifically against PD rule. So it’s tough luck for the cop that used force around the neck. If he had no other way to subdue the suspect, they had two choices: give up and let him go till they found another method to subdue him that was not excessive and not against the rules. Many PO have rules outlawing high speed chase because, if the violation was running a light, we as innocent bystander citizens don’t want to die just so you fucking god forsaken power mongers can be “right.” Orwell credited with a quote you should take to heart: There is always a way to end war. Surrender.”

    • John Smith

      Amazing to me that the left believes that it OK to resist arrest. No matter how irresponsible, crazy, or threatening the suspect acts, why is it always the police officers responsibility to insure a soft outcome. Why is it the suspect has no responsibility for his bad behavior. The common thread here is a gansta culture where your not cool if you don’t resist arrest and give police officers a hard time. My daddy taught me early on that not cooperating with a police officer will likely have a bad outcome.

      • Alexander Illi

        Have you read the article?
        Have you ever heard of the principle of proportionality?

        Is it new to you that violence usually breeds more violence?

        May it be a strategy to alienate “ordinary civilians” from their fellow policemen & -women?

        One day they may smash your window…

        Oh well, I’m from a country where the police were used to be called our “friend and helper”, and most citizens respected them as such and had not to be asked to comply.
        That was however before the wave of militarization and martialization sweeping over the great pond via Atlantic Bridge.

        Now we have those black-clad, bald-head terminators in combat gear, too, instead of “friends and helpers”.

        Thanks to the predominant US mentality and our submissive hollywood-brainwashed “elite”-nomenklatura.

      • TARDRE

        There are millions on the right who think this case was wrongly handled. What is amazing to me is people who cannot think about each case specifically and separate it from all the other noise. Like someone is in a hurry to watch dancing with the stars.

        Some people have no imagination. The video’s are out there of cops saying do “this” and the person says “what?” and gets destroyed. Or the guy IN DIABETIC SHOCK who is in his senior years getting destroyed because he was “resisting arrest”. What about the kid who fell off the overpass with a broken back and heels…he was resisting arrest too as they subdued him. A kid hangs himself and the father finds him and calls the police. He is distraught and told to sit down and he is not himself and does not sit down and gets DESTROYED in front of his family while his son is still hanging.

        I am no way preaching violence or anything of the sort. But things are accelerating and you don’t see it.

      • Joseph_Jones

        “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
        Thomas Jefferson

        “My daddy taught me that whatever King George decrees comes from the mouth of God, and every subject must obey him regardless how egregious his orders.”

        Those damn slaves should have been happy those charitable white slave owners like George Washington made them them 3/5ths of a human being!

      • Joseph_Jones

        I’m sure you view Waaco (David Koresh) a complete government victory, with the government incinerating a few dozen children. I’m sure you say, “BRAVO” to government sponsored murder of children! I mean, they got what was coming to them, right? Being associated with guys like David Koresh and all, right? I mean, we gotta have law and order, right?

        Time and again, the US Government proves to the world, if you don’t have nuclear weapons to defend yourself (see Sadaam Hussein), prepare for Uncle Sam to kick your arse up and down the street all day, any day, steal your lunch, rape your women, all in the name of “demokrasee.”

        “Bomb ’em ’till they love you.”

    • starchild

      “Unfortunately cops can’t refuse to enforce stupid laws.”

      Wrong. They absolutely can refuse to enforce stupid laws! You as a police officer are *personally responsible* for your actions and your choices on the job! Just like members of the Gestapo and the SS were individually held accountable at Nuremberg.

      Bad cops and prosecutors are well aware of the concept of “police discretion” and “prosecutorial discretion” when it suits them not to go after somebody. But when they’re trying to defend a decision to use force or prosecute after the fact, then suddenly all that goes out the window and they pretend they had no choice. Bull—-!

      • TARDRE

        I was going to respond in agreement but a handle like starchild gives me pause.

    • TARDRE

      First you don’t need to completely block the airway to kill someone. Second I agree that the cops should NOT have to do this type of job. Third the guy was not right “going against the grain” but where is it that it is automatically jump on the back and beat the shzt out of them or in this case – kill them slowly.

      I respect the police but reserve the right to question the tactics. Slamming a 84 year old WWII vet to the ground breaking his neck in the process, beating an 84 year old jaywalker, beating women unconscious, shooting harmless dogs, shooting kids on and on.

      Cops have a very tough job and I know tough jobs. But they DO NOT have more rights than non-cops.

      Sometimes you jump on the back and subdue. Sometimes you talk it down. But if you are going to Kill or maim or sodomize then you go to court and face the consequences. That is all.

      • Joseph_Jones

        DO NOT, I repeat, do not feel cops have a tough job. The reason PD employers turn away hundreds of thousands of job applicants is because the job pays huge money and the retirement benefits would make privately employed persons fall out of their chairs.

        Part of the PD oath for every department: “We will solve no crime, before there’s overtime.”

        This type of job attracts power hungry mentally disturbed individuals who like to play at being God. Cops break laws as frequently or more frequently than the general public. That tells you a lot about them. They are hypocrites.

        This whole concept of “public service” is a crock. These employees are self serving pigs feeding at the trough. They view the public who pays them as maggots and that’s how and why scum bags like the killer cop in MO said he’d do it again and feels no remorse.

        We need hackers to hack PD employment files and have on file the home addresses of these cop thugs.

        Scum bags like Obama put forth an image like they care about PD abuse. Nothing can be farther from the truth. TPTB want and train cops to be cold blooded killers. When payback time comes and the streets burn, they want these killer cops to have no remorse opening their machine guns on the public for their slave master millionaires living in gated walled fortresses.

    • Joseph_Jones

      34 years of writing reports? Did’ja ever hear of something called a “paragraph?”

  • TRP

    I have to admit, watching that got me really pissed just for the injustice of it. How can cops get away with that. What about diffusing the situation?

  • Joseph_Jones

    What? Is George positing that a white cop does not have legal authority to enforce the death penalty on the street against a black man for illegally selling cigarettes?

    /sarc off

    • Joseph_Jones

      BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • John Liozeris

    If that were a White cigarette (dope) peddler in the same situation and results, we would have never known anything about it. Except mabe by reading the police blotter in the neighborhood paper.
    I have not yet read what the specific cause of death was. Though from my own experience I say that you can not talk when choked.
    And yeah, that take-down by that pack of two legged attack dogs is sub-human ugly. Shame on the entire police force. From the commissioner to the patrolman. You are all thugs.

    • TARDRE

      The banned “choke hold” includes ANY obstruction of the airway. If you are under duress and breathing heavily any restriction can become fatal. Just takes longer.

      Don’t watch the video but just know of a SKINNY black guy who was handcuffed and stuffed in a cruiser. He was saying I can’t breath before they put him in the cruiser. He repeated that for about 2 minutes. Then he went unconscious and died. In the cruiser.

  • NewFedFAA

    The problem now is that blacks will go on to have “protests” that will devolve into riots that threaten the lives and property of people who have nothing to do with this situation. It’s a great excuse for violent people to ply their trade. Cops are thugs, hired to protect us from the barbaric hordes. They forget themselves from time to time and must be reeled in.

  • starchild

    Too many laws. Too many police. Too much official arrogance. Too many prisons. Time to vote Libertarian.

  • TARDRE

    “If daring to question, challenge or even hesitate when a cop issues an order can get you charged with resisting arrest or disorderly conduct, you’re not the master in a master-servant relationship. In fact, you’re not even the servant—you’re the slave.

    This is not freedom. This is not even a life.”

    Never better words have been written IMO