The Rights of All

With good reason, we spend a lot of time and effort trying to bolster human rights and prevent predators from taking advantage of the weak.  By logical extension, effort should also be devoted to the rights of other occupants of the planet.

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Robert Barsocchini focuses on global force dynamics and writes professionally for the film industry.  Also see: Hillary Clinton’s Record of Support for War and other Depravities.  Follow Robert and UK-based colleague, Dean Robinson, on Twitter.

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  • Carl_Herman

    Well said; thank you, Robert. Yes, with expanded viewpoint and open heart, this is the way forward. One of my daily websites is wimp.com, which has ~5 daily videos that often include heartwarming ones with animals 🙂

  • cettel

    Eating animals, including fish, is barbaric, and it is also unhealthful. People who do it die younger, but not as young as they perhaps should. Culture is an excuse, after a certain number of years. I was in my twenties when I learned that the acculturation to this barbarism generates diseases and not only cruelty; so, I immediately stopped doing it. People who continue eating animals even after they learn that they are speeding their own death have no excuse at all for their continuation in barbarism: it then is part of their identity, part of what and who they are.

    • kimyo

      there is no plant based source of vitamin k2, necessary for the proper deployment of calcium and vitamin d in the body.

      support your silly claim that ‘fish eaters die younger’. it has no basis in reality.

      why do doctors advise pregnant women to abandon their vegan ways? to avoid deformed children.

      • Robert Barsocchini

        Here’s kind of the extent of it, from Wiki:

        “Vegan diets tend to be higher in dietary fibre, magnesium, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E, iron and phytochemicals, and lower in calories, saturated fat, cholesterol, long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin D, calcium, zinc and vitamin B12.[8] Well-planned vegan diets can reduce the risk of heart disease,[9] and are regarded as appropriate for all stages of the life-cycle by the American Dietetic Association, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, and Dietitians of Canada.[10] Because uncontaminated plant foods do not provide vitamin B12 (which is produced by microorganisms such as bacteria), researchers agree that vegans should eat B12-fortified foods or take a supplement.[11]”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

        I believe refraining from animal products also cuts one’s carbon footprint in half.

        • kimyo

          there’s a lot of dogma in that quote, re: calories, fat, cholesterol. there was a time when that all looked ‘settled’, but the outright failure of each attempt to intervene (ie: food pyramids, no eggs, margarine, zero-calorie diet soda) argues strongly that the main theories are unacceptably flawed.

          many of the foods vegans eat are fuel, not nutrition. wheat/soy/corn, aside from the roundup/dessication issue are all subject to factory processing, which removes much of the nutrition and adds in yet another layer of toxicity.

          deforestation is the problem, if your concern is carbon. cattle are the solution. (absolutely superb video, worth watching regardless of where you stand on veganism and carbon)

          Allan Savory argued that while livestock may be part of the problem,
          they can also be an important part of the solution. He has demonstrated
          time and again in Africa, Australia and North and South America that,
          properly managed, they are essential to land restoration. With the right
          techniques, plant growth is lusher, the water table is higher, wildlife
          thrives, soil carbon increases and, surprisingly, perhaps four times as
          many cattle can be kept.

          • Robert Barsocchini

            “the outright failure of each attempt to intervene argues strongly that the main theories are unacceptably flawed.” Not sure what you mean.

            “As the economic, political and personal costs of doing nothing to mitigate climate change skyrocket, there’s one lifestyle change that slashes dietary greenhouse gas emissions in half: Veganism.”

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/27/vegetarian-carbon-footprint_n_5538914.html

            Cow emissions more damaging to planet than C02 from cars

            http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.html

            However, if cattle cultivation for food were absolutely necessary to human survival, rather than a huge detriment to it as currently, then I would hope Savory’s ideas have merit and, if proven, would be put into effect.

          • kimyo

            failed interventions:
            skim milk – result: more fractures and heart disease than no milk
            margarine – result: more heart disease
            salt restriction – result: more heart disease (plus exposure to the various nasties in sodium replacements)
            calorie counts – result: more diabetes/obesity (diet soda, low-calorie ‘food’)

            so, for instance, the theory that vegetable fats (margarine) are healthier than animal fats (butter) needs to be discarded. if you follow feynman, we don’t need to prove the theory wrong 50 times, we just need to do so once.

            likewise, on salt (from the link below)

            “However, our research team’s new study, combined with our 2009 publication, now defines what for humans is the normal range of sodium or salt intake and suggests what would constitute both an excessive and deficient sodium intake in terms of promoting optimal health,” McCarron said. “Our data demonstrate that past U.S. guidelines for sodium (salt) intake are well below human needs.”

            “Our new study explains why decades of government efforts have failed to lower the sodium, or salt, intake in the U.S.,” said Judith Stern, one of the study’s authors and a professor emeritus of nutrition and internal medicine at UC Davis. “Policy simply cannot change physiology.”

            the advice to lower sodium intake is putting lives at risk.

            just about exactly half of those admitted to hospitals in the u.s. for cardiac care have normal cholesterol levels. therefore, blood cholesterol levels do not indicate the potential for heart disease.

            High milk intake linked with higher fractures and mortality
            Fat in Margarine Is Tied to Heart Problems
            Salt intake physiologically set in humans, new study finds

            on the issue of carbon dioxide being a threat to the planet, i’m a non-believer. just as you find that atheists know more about the bible than christians, i often find the skeptics to be better informed.

            the need for the australians to ‘homogenize’ their temperature record at a time when we are experiencing the earliest ice on the great lakes and 1,000’s of record cold temps is kinda suspicious, if you ask me.

            the hiatus is pretty damn close to falsifying ALL of the climate models.

            i’m much more concerned about increased volcanic emissions of sulfur dioxide leading to a significant cooling phase, accompanied by flu/famine, as occurred in the middle ages during the maunder minimum.

          • Robert Barsocchini

            Huh. Well, that is interesting stuff. However, I would note, and I’m sure you’re aware, that 97% of scientific, peer-reviewed studies from 1991–2011 that expressed a view on climate change said it is anthropologically caused.

            http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

          • kimyo

            the problem with the climate scientists is the precision of their claims. it’s like a first year medical student, after observing a patient for 60 seconds, declaring that ‘this man will die on august 17th at 10:15am of a brain hemorrhage’.

            data sufficient to deliver the claimed precision doesn’t exist.

            for instance, it’s only in the last 12 months that detailed mapping of the seafloor has been completed. prior to that, we couldn’t even begin to estimate the volume of the oceans. can you model an economy without knowing the gdp?

            there’s limited oceanic surface temp data going back 200 years or so. the measurements of oceanic temps at various depths sufficient to test models do not yet exist.

            if you can’t test your model of oceanic temps, it’s religion, not science. if you aren’t yet ready to model oceans, you can’t even begin to start dealing with climate.

            when they say ‘we have only 18 months to stop a global warming catastrophe’, that’s religion. the science isn’t precise enough to support such a claim.

          • kimyo

            another failed intervention:

            In fact NO studies have shown that the benefits of aspirin outweigh the risks of side-effects for those without a history of cardiac events. Despite current prescription policies, there is no specific population, not even diabetics, where the benefits of aspirin for primary prevention outweigh the risks. 3,6 Several long term clinical trials showed conflicting results. A recent meta-analysis of l9 randomized controlled trials of aspirin for primary prevention of cardio-vascular disease (CVD), with data on over 100,000 people, concluded that “routine use of aspirin for primary prevention is not warranted.” 7

            People who regularly take aspirin for many years, such as those with heart problems, are more likely to develop a form of blindness, researchers say.

            A study on 2,389 people, in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, showed aspirin takers had twice the risk of “wet” age-related macular degeneration.

            By the end of the study, the researchers showed that 9.3% of patients taking aspirin developed wet age-related macular degeneration (AMD) compared with 3.7% of patients who did not take aspirin.

            FDA: Aspirin No Benefit in the Prevention of Heart Attack
            Long-term aspirin ‘blindness link’

    • kimyo

      People who do it die younger, but not as young as they perhaps should.

      i’ll leave aside the implication that you wish death upon those who eat fish.

      the first part of that dubious sentence, though, is absolutely incorrect:

      Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans. Top candidate for reason: elevated homocysteine.

      source (plus lots of links on homocysteine re: birth defects/longevity/b12 deficiency), re: meta-study of 76,000 subjects Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians

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