The State of the Battle in Eastern Ukraine

Eric Zuesse 

Showing what’s left after the invading troops were allowed to leave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFEwfF9wz0

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1766826.html

And, then, there is this summary of the situation, by the Russian military analyst, “Vineyard of the Saker”:

“all the signs are that the JRF [Junta Repression Forces]  have reached their breaking point: this is the moment when a military force suddenly and completely collapses, like a dam which blows out under the pressure of water.  The JRF is not retreating on one, two or even three directions, it is retreating everywhere (except north of Lugansk).  Entire battalions are leaving the front under orders of their battalion commanders and without the approval of the Junta leaders.  At least one such battalion commander is already being judged for desertion.  The entire Ukie [Ukrainian Government] leadership seems to be in a panic mode, especially Yatseniuk and Kolomoiski, while the Nazis are mad as hell at the Poroshenko administration.  There are constant rumors of an anti-Poroshenko coup by outraged Nazi nationalists.  And then, there are the absolutely staggering Ukrainian losses.. …

“If, as it appears likely, the real number of dead JRF soldiers is anywhere near the 30’000+40’000+ figure, then this is something absolutely unique in modern warfare.  There might be an exception to this I have missed, but as far I can know in every single conflict since WWII (and including WWII), civilians have died in far greater numbers than combatants.  This is also absolutely true of NAF soldiers who have died in far smaller numbers than Novorussian civilians.  So unless these figures are completely off the mark, and I see no reason to believe this, the Junta forces were absolutely massacred in an horrible butchery which cannot completely be explained by the superb fighting skills of the Novorussians: clearly the Junta has used these forces as cannon fodder with not even a modicum of care, nevermind support, for them. …

“The bottom line is this: Poroshenko promised a victory in a matter of weeks and his forces suffered one of the most total defeats in the history of warfare.  Can the Ukies rearm?  Yes, to some degree.  Do they still have huge weapons stores?  Yes, but all the (comparatively) better gear has been used by now.  Can they still conduct a 4th, 5th and 6th mobilization?  Possibly.  Though the public mood is ominous at this time.  Can the AngloZionists send them instructors, equipment and money?  Yes.  Will that turn the tide?  Probably not.  Unless the Ukies have held back and secretly trained a large number of soldiers over the past 3-4 months (like the Novorussians have done in Russia) and unless these soldiers are now ready to be sent in, fully equipped and ready to go, I don’t see the JRF bouncing back for a very long time.”

Whereas the destroyed tanks in the video shown above are clearly from the Ukrainian Army, the many fresh tanks that are shown in the video from the Ukrainian Government, below, are merely assumed to be Russian. The text says, without documentation or explanation: “Whatever it is, these units have been brought in by Russia and they are on Ukrainian territory.”:

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/09/russian-moves-huge-convoy-of-armor-into.html

All that’s not being seriously disputed is that the Ukrainian troops are being slaughtered by the tens of thousands, while additional tens of thousands just quit and are allowed to go back home in the west.

The emerging victory by the separatists did not develop overnight, however; it has been slowly building for months. Here are some earlier reports from me on that:

I headlined on June 29th, “America Seems to Be Losing Ukraine’s War.”

Then, on July 26th, I bannered “Obama’s Ukrainian Ploy Collapses; Ukraine Now Seeks Direct U.S. Bailout,”

Three days later, the title was, “Obama’s U.S. Presidency Hangs by a Thread in Ukraine.”

Perhaps Putin now has sent in “122 army vehicles,” to snap that “Thread,” so as to get the million-plus refugees now in refugee tents in Russia back to the former southeastern Ukraine, now become Novorossiya, and to get it done before winter. Perhaps Putin has decided that now is the time finally to end Obama’s ethnic-cleansing campaign in Ukraine’s southeast.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,  and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

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  • James Whitten

    The Ukies have no chance unless NATO literally fights the war for them. They have no will to fight, let alone funds. I hope Poroshenko is seriously thinking about his political future when he talks ceasefire, because the threat of an outright Nazi uprising at this point is too great, and maybe these lunatics in Kiev will do for now until the Ukrainian people get their act together and demand a semi-reasonable government, if that’s possible.
    Petition – keep Ukraine out of NATO!
    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/keep-ukraine-out-of-nato

    • Party Like 1999

      The only thing NATO is good at is allowing thousands of contras, mercenaries and jihadists and their of tons of weapons cross NATO borders with impunity. And pretend the it all just spontaenously “happened” because they had “bad intelligence”.
      .
      NATO’s regular infantry forces fared very poorly against NATO’s covert irregular infantry forces in Afghanistan and Iraq.
      .
      NATO with it’s Washington-London Hollywood Medicine Show does provide full time work for a few thousands fake “reporters”
      .
      It’s a shame what Americans have allowed to happen in the name of their Second Coming Biblethmper Rapture.

  • jo6pac

    Yes, the chocolate king should be ready to run for his life. I wonder if victoria nuland and friends in the cia have already given the Nazis their blessing? We all know that the neo-conns haven’t given up and are coming up with new plan to end the cease fire and of course blame on the Russians.
    I can hardly wait for the report on the MA-17, white wash for sure.

    This interview is from before the cease fire but still interesting.

    http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/02/an-interview-with-alexey-mozgovoy-commander-of-the-lugansk-ghost-brigade-290814/

  • jadan

    Sounds like Dmitri Orlov got it about right in his article on the 8/28 invasion. The US sponsored fascists are nihilistic sociopaths. Ukraine and neighboring lands could be rendered uninhabitable. The “fog of war” is great cover for unprecedented acts of terror from which no political advantage can be gained by anyone. The leaders who actively pursue peace are the real leaders. Putin seems to be the only genuine leader acting in a responsible way. Obama ratchets the tension up and preaches armed conflict. The stupidity and irresponsibility of US and NATO policy takes the breath away. They are heedless of the danger. They are reckless. They are insane.

  • Voiceofreason

    This is the Bay of Pigs on steroids! What do you have to do to get impeached these days? Blow up the world?

  • Name

    Great. Some guy on the internet quoting another guy on the internet quoting… wait for it… some guy commenting on ZeroHedge. Meanwhile not a peep from mainstream or alt media, nor the Russians, nor OSCE. GW, will you please do your credibility a favor and jettison this guy, whose greatest contribution so far has been to write about the stuff that other people have written about?

    • Voice of Reason

      Look on the bright side in all this. This is what we’ve been told by
      President Obama and all his Western lap dogs for days now. (not so much
      about the more than $5 billion since 1991 to help
      Ukraine
      achieve “the future it deserves.”) If it pans out it means he was telling the truth for a change.

  • The monikers “gov’t” versus “rebels” means little in combat. It’s apparent the militarily trained and experienced went to the supposed rebel side.

    The “rebels” recently had a change in leadership. That seems to have tipped the balance.

    • jo6pac

      Yes, but the change leadership didn’t bring it. The person who just left, who put all the little groups together and his work was done. Read the link I posted it explains it all.
      I prefer to call them Freedom Fighters in dishonor of Ronnie-ray-gunn

  • Party Like 1999

    Likey scene in Wales….
    Poroshenk: “My army was destroyed night before last, I demand that NATO send an army east now!””
    Merkel: “That won’t happen unless Obama stages a coup in my fatherland and kills several million Germans who oppose a war with Russia.”
    Poroshenk:”Then I demand naval blockade of Crimea!”
    Cameron: “I need permission from the Saudis and ISIS before I can send ships.”
    Poroshenk: WELL, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR UKRAINE GAWDDAMMIT, I WANT NATO NUCLEAR ATTACK ON RUSSIA!”
    Obama: “I’ll call Netanyahu and ask permission but I think he’s kinda pissed at me… Perhaps there’s a few party favors laying around they can let you borrow for the time being.”

    • unheilig

      Guy named Clapper wants to know how you intercepted this conversation. He’s pissed.

  • unheilig

    Facts, like the Cheneyite fascist scumbag Nuland running the foreign policy team, the fascist oligarch scumbag Lew bossing the Treasury, and fascist neocon scumbag Alexander in charge of the NSA, tell you all you need to know about the current administration.

    • jo6pac

      Yep, the sheeple just don’t care sadly.

  • Rehmat

    In order to prove that the election in Ukraine was not fraud like Ahmadinejad’s 2009 re-election – the Obama administration sent observers, led by former Secretary of State and a major actor behind the invasion of Iraq Madeleine Albright (Jewish). On Friday, a US Navy missile cruiser arrived in the Black Sea, underscoring the active involvement of US military and intelligence agencies in the country.

    US President Barack Obama quickly declared the election a success, calling it an “important step forward in the efforts of the Ukrainian government to unify the country” – a reference to the new government’s hostility to the separatist and pro-Russian movements in the east, where the population is majority-Russian speaking.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/27/jews-declare-victory-in-ukraine/

  • Rehmat

    In order to prove that the election in Ukraine was not fraud like Ahmadinejad’s 2009 re-election – the Obama administration sent observers, led by former Secretary of State and a major actor behind the invasion of Iraq Madeleine Albright (Jewish). On Friday, a US Navy missile cruiser arrived in the Black Sea, underscoring the active involvement of US military and intelligence agencies in the country.

    US President Barack Obama quickly declared the election a success, calling it an “important step forward in the efforts of the Ukrainian government to unify the country” – a reference to the new government’s hostility to the separatist and pro-Russian movements in the east, where the population is majority-Russian speaking.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/27/jews-declare-victory-in-ukraine/

  • Kevin Chamberlin

    On 9/5/14, there is a report in MSN. In the report, Col Andriy Lysenko, a spokeperson for Ukraines national security council in Kiev, is quoted as saying that “seven Ukrainian servicemen have been killed over the last day, bringing the Ukrainian forces death toll to 846.” This is a different number than 30,000 to 40,000. Wassup?

    • cettel

      Like with everything else, this statement from the Ukrainian regime was a lie.