What Do Jews Say About Palestine and Gaza?

What Do Jewish Voices Say?

Forget what others say about Israel.  Let’s listen to prominent Jewish voices.

313 Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide have signed a letter stating:

As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.

We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.

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Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.

We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!


And .

A prominent Jewish leader says that Israel has intentionally targeted civilians in order to terrorize the Palestinian population.

A number of Israeli soldiers have confirmed this.

A number of prominent Israelis say that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is apartheid.

All 6 former Israeli security chiefs have

Israeli soldiers have spoken about Israel cruelty towards Palestinians.

The Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers used Palestinians as human shields 1,200 times.

A holocaust survivor and Israeli Minister both say that labeling criticism of Israel “anti-semitic” is a TRICK.

Jews have repeatedly staged massive protests in Tel Aviv against the occupation and bombing of Gaza.

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  • Albury Smith

    Here’s what ISRAELI Jews say about the current Gaza conflict:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/israeli-polls-support-gaza-campaign-media
    Here’s one of many reasons why:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8&feature=youtu.be

  • Larry

    THOSE WHO DON’T KNOW THEIR HISTORY, ARE HOMERITES & I DON’T MEAN THE GREEK POET!

    JEWISHENCYCLOPEDIA

    The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia

    SCHWARZ, JOSEPH:

    The results of his investigations and researches into the history, geography, geology, fauna, and flora of that country have placed him in the front rank of Palestinian explorers and geographers. HE IS THE GREATEST JEWISH AUTHORITY ON PALESTINIAN MATTERS SINCE ESTORI FARHI (1282-1357), the author of “Kaftor wa-Feraḥ.”

    HISTORY OF PALESTINE

    614-1096 C.E.

    From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.

    By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850

    (THE JEWISH RABBI WHO CREATED ISLAM: ISLAM WAS FINANCED & CONTROLLED BY
    ARABIAN JEWS FROM ITS BEGINNING, TO BUILD AN ARMY TO FIGHT THE ROMAN aka BYZANTINE EMPIRE.)

    Rabbi Shallum, son of the then Resh Gelutha, in Babel, aka Abu Bachr al Chaliva al Zadik, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, was in fact: [A JEWISH RABBI] Rabbi Shallum, son of the then Resh Gelutha, in Babel, perceiving this dreadful predicament, went to Mahomed, and offering him his submission, friendship, and services, endeavoured to enter with him into a friendly compact. Mahomed accepted his proposition with pleasure, conceived a great affection for him, and took his daughter, a handsome young girl (A 6 YEAR OLD CHILD), for wife; he made him also a general in his army, and gave him the name of Abu Bachr al Chaliva al Zadik, literally:

    The father of the maiden, the descendant of the righteous; this means, that of all his wives, who
    were either widows or divorced women, this one was the only one who had never been married before, and then she was the granddaughter of the celebrated chief of the captivity; therefore, the descendant of the righteous. This occurrence induced Mahomed to give up his terrible intention to destroy the Jews in his country, and thus did Rabbi Shallum save his people.

    THE BETRAYAL
    [Why Muhammad hated alcohol]

    Abu Bachr and Aliman now resolved among themselves to remove the dangerous enemy of the Jews, Bucheran. One evening Mahomed, Bucheran, Aliman, and Abu Bachr, were drinking together; the latter two soon saw that Mahomed and the astrologer were strongly intoxicated, and lay stretched out in a deep and profound sleep. Abu Bachr thereupon drew the sword of Mahomed from
    its scabbard, cut off therewith Bucharan’s head, and put the bloody sword back into its receptacle, and both then lay themselves down quietly near Mahomed to sleep. When Mahomed awoke and saw his friend lying decapitated near him, he cried out in a fury: “This terrible deed has been done by one of us three in our drunkenness!” Abu Bachr thereupon said quite unconcernedly:

    “Let each one draw his sword, and he whose weapon is stained with blood, must needs be the murderer!”

    They all drew their swords, and that of Mahomed was completely dyed with fresh blood, which proved thus clearly to his satisfaction that he had murdered his friend. He was greatly grieved at this
    discovery; cursed and condemned the wine which was the cause of this murder, and swore that he never would drink any more, and that also no one should do so who wishes to enter heaven. This is the cause why wine is prohibited to the Mahomedans.

    At a later period, Mahomed learned the whole transaction, and that his father-in-law was the perpetrator of the bloody deed; wherefore, he lost his favour, and he would not permit him to come before him. Abu Bachr went thereupon and conquered sixty places, which had not yet submitted to Mahomed, and presented them to him, through which means he became again reconciled to
    him, was received in favour, and remained thereafter at court.

    HISTORY OF PALESTINE

    614-1096 C.E.

    From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.

    By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850

    BE SURE TO GOOGLE REST OF ARTICLE

  • geo1671

    You have just witnessed crocodile tears! Question to these vermin–watchia going to do about it ? Nothing! Talk is cheap. United States of Israel are all terror states. For the Christians at large–real biblical Jews are the Palestinians. Ever questioned were the term Nazi originated? Ashkenazism :^(

  • mmckinl

    Wrong Title … should be “What a minority of Jews think”.

    Over 95% of Jews in Israel are all for the war against Gaza. Over a majority of Jews in the US feel the same way … and then the vast majority of those not speaking out of fear for retribution from Zionists. In no way does this sample represent Jewish opinion.

    The apologies from a tiny minority of Jews hardly qualifies as “What Jews Think”. In fact opinions are hardening for the Zionists among Jews. Israel is becoming a fascist state. The Zionists here more dogmatic and threatening …

    • Albury Smith

      That’s what happens when a nation and its people are attacked repeatedly by a terrorist group whose charter includes wiping them out:
      http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
      ‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
      obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.’ (Preamble — more where that came from)

      • mmckinl

        Israel exists on stolen land … and continues to steal more while subjecting the owners to Apartheid.

        • Albury Smith

          Stolen? Jews occupied the land of Israel for 2000+ years before Islam even existed. Jerusalem’s been the Jewish capital for over 3,300 years; it’s never been an Arab or Muslim capital. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their
          capital, and Arab leaders did not even come to visit. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Jewish holy scriptures and not even once in the
          Koran.
          Why are ~5.9 million Jews on a tiny ~8,00 sq miles of desert such a big problem to hundreds of times as many Muslims? They don’t proselytize, are the only democracy in the region, and welcomed the Arab Muslims to stay as equal citizens in 1948. Hamas states in its charter that its goal is to obliterate Israel. Is tiny Israel trying to obliterate the Arab Muslim world?

          • 3Point_Pete1

            What do the people who lived somewhere 2,000 years ago have to do with the Zionist colonization of the region beginning at the turn of the 20th century? What do they have to do with 100+ years of ethnic cleansing, incremental genocide, depopulation and massacres? We have international law to help with things like this these days. Israel and the IDF are nothing but a rogue military state carrying out an occupation that is in flagrant violation of international law. Gaza is a giant concentration camp cut off from the outside world by sea, land, air blockades (including calorie restriction policies). Palestinian citizens of Israel are subjected to Jim Crow-like segregation laws and are nothing more than 2nd class citizens. Israel is not a democracy, it’s a police state.

            Stop with the Hamas red herring. This was happening long before Hamas. Israel and the U.S. helped to create/promote/fund Hamas in order to ensure that there would never be a unitary sovereign state. Hamas dropped your favorite tag line about “wiping them out” from the 1988 charter back in 2006 when they tried to agree to a 2 state solution, which included agreeing to the 1967 borders. Of course, a sovereign Palestinian state would mean that the IDF could not have diplomatic cover for it’s ongoing war crimes. And, there’s really nor reason to speak in the abstract anymore about ‘who wants to wipe who out’ principles, in reality, the Israeli’s are carrying this out on Palestinian civilians.

            What is a “Jewish State”? Can you imagine the U.S. claiming to be “THE Christian State”? Your Sean Hannity narrative of this crisis will not do well here. The readers are well-informed. If you want to rationalize incremental genocide using biblical entitlement claims, you best seek out a new audience of like-minded zealots. I might suggest some Chomsky, Finkelstein, Ilan Pape, or Henry Seigmon to help give you a more comprehensive understanding. End the Apartheid.

          • Albury Smith

            Would you like some examples of Muslim states? Do I really have to explain the significance of a people who’ve lived on the same land for ~3300 years? Israel and the US long ago designated Hamas as a terrorist organization, so why would they have “helped to create/promote/fund Hamas in order to ensure that there would never be a unitary sovereign state,” pray tell?
            Israel has consistently supported the TWO-STATE solution REJECTED by peace-loving Hamas, whether they changed some words in their charter or not. Israel defends itself when it’s attacked; genocide’s what peace-loving ISIL’s doing right now in Iraq and Syria.
            Allah akbar.

          • albury smith a mossad agent

            mossad agent here called Albury smith

      • albury smith is a mossad agent

        we have a mossad agent here called Albury Smith, people do not listen to this baby killer fu*k

  • the jews will pay for this

    the jews will pay for this, they will pay, and this will not be pretty

    • Albury Smith

      The Israeli Jews are already paying dearly to keep Hamas from killing them off. Peace-loving Hamas is also doing a great job of putting Palestinian lives in jeopardy while trying to murder more Israelis:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8&feature=youtu.be

      • mr smith is FUC* ISRAELI MOLE

        the people of gaza LIVE IN A ISRAELI PRISON , SO TO SAY HAMAS IS AT FAULT IS A CRIME, BY YOU , mR SMITH YOU israel mossad fu*k.

        • Albury Smith

          Run along and let the grownups discuss this.

  • leonardo777

    IF THERE WAS AN ACTIVE GOD, THEN ISRAEL WOULD BE DESTROYED!
    Talmudic Judaism is the Zoroastrian religion that Ezra brought back from Babylon.

    RABBINISM

    Unwitting Disciples of Zoroaster:
    The Influence of Zoroastrianism on Rabbanism in the Talmud and Midrash

    From 226 to 379, the Persian kings gathered and systematized the works of Zoroaster. The result was
    twenty-one great volumes – against the twenty-one words of the most holy Persian prayer, the Ahuravarrya. Known as Nusk, it is the Talmud of the Zoroastrians (speaking anachronistically).

    Due to the hostilities between the Persians and the Arabs in the latter half of the eighth century, the books of the Nusk were singled out for destruction.
    What now remains to the remnants of Zoroastrianism are five volumes:

    (1) Yasna – the book of sacrifices, which contains seventy-two chapters among them the Gatha passages (the oldest and most hallowed writings of the Zend-Avesta)

    (2) Vendidad – twenty-two chapters on the laws regulating evil spirits.

    (3) Yasht -an elaborate, detailed account of the Persian deities.

    (4) The Vispered – twenty-four chapters (a supplement to Yasna).

    (5) Khorda – an abridged edition of the laws in the Zend-Avesta.

    The Talmud was greatly influenced by Persian culture. It derives, in fact, much of its content directly from the Zend-Avesta, as will be detailed in brief below. One finds in the Talmud not only Persian superstition and legend, but many legal decisions handed down in accordance with Persian code. Not to mention the customs and usages of Persian life. Even the forms and expressions of the literary Pahlavi entered into the Talmud in no small way. The Persian influence on the Talmud is so great that, at times, it is difficult to separate what is Jewish from what is Persian in it.

    A system of nomenclature for angels in Jewish lore, prior to Persian influence, did not exist. We find for example, angels being named for the first time in the book of Daniel (a book compiled during the Persian exile). The naming of angels was important in the Persian religion, and the Talmud itself relates that: “Shemot HaMal’akhim ‘Alu Lahem MiBavel” – “The names of the Angels arose from Babylon”.
    Those familiar with Rabbanite theology will note how it is replete with the mention of good and bad angels (just think of the Rabbanite Shalom ‘Aleikhem song for Shabbat night).

    In Persian teaching, there were two gods, a good god, Ahura Mazda, and an evil god, Ahriman. The
    Talmud, in fact, went to the extent of borrowing the names of many of the deities and angels in the Persian pantheon, such as: Mithra (called Metatron in the Talmud), Hadar (called Hadarni’el in the Talmud), Dahriman, Tir, Serosh(1) , Aesmadiv [“spirit of anger” in Persian] (called Ashmedai in the Talmud), Angra/Agra (called Agrat in the Talmud),and many more…

    DEMONS

    As with angels, so did the Amora’im [the Rabbis quoted in the Talmud]of Babylon and the writers of
    the Christian scriptures draw freely from the Zend-Avesta’s troves of superstitions about demons and imps. Let’s start with a look at Ahriman. From the Talmud, we learn that the angel, Ahriman is identified with Satan (Masekhet Bava Batra 16). Masekhet Sanhedrin 29, and the Vendidad II, 384
    refer to Ahriman as the Serpent of Hell.

    Ahriman’s myriads of helpers are referred to as divs, what we now call devils. Vendidad I, 21 notes that these divs are more numerous than the dust of the earth (as does Talmud Masekhet Berakhot 6, Midrash Tehillim 17, Tanhuma, etc.,). The following passages from the Talmud and Midrash regarding demons (divs) were derived or directly copied from Vendidad II:

    Masekhet Sanhedrin 25 notes that devs are particularly active in graveyards. Masekhet Gitin 68 and Midrash Qohelet state that divs are male and female. Masekhet Berakhot 61 and Masekhet Hulin 105
    state that demons can assume the shape of human beings, or flys. Masekhet Hagigah 16 contends that demons, like human beings, can reproduce. Masekhet
    Gitin 68 calls Ashemdai (Aesmadiv in Persian) the greatest of the divs. One of the fundamental teachings of Persian religious conduct is the avoidance of unclean hands (Masekhet Shabbat 109). It was believed that Sabetkh, a div, rests upon such hands: The Qissur Shulhan Arukh 2.1 quoting Yosef Caro’s Beit Yosef states, “when a man is asleep, the holy soul departs from his body, and an unclean spirit descends upon him. When rising from sleep, the unclean spirit departs from his body except for his fingers, and does not depart until one spills water upon them three times alternately. One is not allowed to walk four cubits (six feet) without having one’s hands washed, except in cases of extreme necessity.”

    Masekhet Megillah 3 states that during the period of night, no one must offer or receive the hand of another (for fear of an evil spirit). Masekhet Shevu‘ot 15 and Masekhet Berakhot 4 contain the Persian prayer to repel the unseen forces of evil.

    The driving off of evil spirits by adjuration was an integral part of the Persian religion. Whole systems of conjuration were devised by them; and many were the invocations with which some of them commanded the devils. All of these spells and “prayers” can be found in the Talmud. A few examples will serve to illustrate:

    Vendidad II, 223 and Masekhet Qiddushin 81 state that the chief thing to utter when exorcising a demon was, “I expel you from me.”

    If one has been bitten by a mad dog, a spell must be intoned in order to eject the hurtful spirit. [This very incantation, from Vendidad I.30, as well as the spell to ward against forgetfulness and the spell to insure that the sheep of the slaughterhouse may be fat have been written in the Talmud]

    The Persian beliefs in cameos, amulets, and talismans were also absorbed into the Talmud, along with the reading of sacred writings to restore health. In general, Zoroastrian influence is directly responsible for the presence of demons and devils in the Midrash and Talmud.

    OTHER ELEMENTS

    To attempt to detail every point where the Talmud draws upon the Zend-Avesta would take a book. The following section will detail some of the more prominent concepts:

    The matter of benedictions, or the saying of grace over something that is eaten is of Persian origin (Vendidad II.112)

    The entire marriage ritual, with its special blessings, ceremony and rites is fully delimitated in the
    Zend-Avesta (II.157, 158, III.228)

    Vendidad II.130 and Midrash Tehillim both contend that the righteous who dwell in Paradise
    are as luminous as the stars.

    Vendidad 18, 166 and Masekhet Sanhedrin 17 state that the art of magic does not come from the Evil Power, and all wise men (in the case of the Talmud the men of the Sanhedrin can practice it).

    Both the Zend-Avesta (according to the Persians) and Torah (according to the Talmud) are able to repel demonic influences, merely by their recitation (c.f., Seder Eliyhau, Zuta 82, Masekhet Megillah 31, and Masekhet Ta‘anit 27).

    The passage in the Zend-Avesta where Ahura Mazda speaks to Zoroaster of the life of virtue that follows death has been copied directly into the Talmud (Masekhet Avot 86).

    The disciples of Zoroaster are assured of a heavenly existence, so the Talmud says of the nation of Israel (Masekhet ‘Eruvin 10).

    God is with him who studies and mediates in the night (Vendidad 18, Masekhet ‘Avodah Zarah 3, Masekhet Berakhot 30).

    The Persians believed that life is but a passing, unimportant state of existence, only after death does one truly begin to live, so Midrash Qohelet Rabba. Zoroastrians were loath to convert others to their faith, so too is found in the Talmud a discouragement to prosetylization (Masekhet Qiddushin 70).

    Though the Zend-Avesta was unknown before the coming of Zoroaster, the righteous who had lived before him were aware of it, and followed the precepts it contained. The Talmud, in this
    vein, contends that the Patriarchs perfectly observed the Torah even though it had not yet been given (Masekhet Yoma 28).

    Truly, all of the enjoinments concerning demons and spirits detailed in the Vendidad may be found in the Talmud. It is as if the authors of the Talmud sat down and copied the Vendidad into the Talmud. Many of the laws of Yasna: sacrificial arrangement, rendering of divine service, and regulations of
    cleanliness form the major portion of Talmudic law in these matters. The list goes on and on, to the extent that one begins to wonder if Rabbanites – and, for that matter, Christians – are unwitting disciples of Zoroaster.