Multiple Reports: Ukrainian Fighter Jets Were with Malaysian Flight 17 When It Was Shot Down

Is THIS Why the Plane Was Shot Down?

Senior U.S. officials now admit that the Malaysian airlines passenger plane was likely accidentally shot down.

The Russian government claims Ukrainian fighter jets were flying very close to Malaysian Flight 17 when it was shot down.

Eyewitness interviews by BBC Russia lend weight to these allegations:

Eyewitness #1: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.

Eyewitness #2: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.

Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].

A local pro-Russian commander says that Ukrainian fighter jets routinely hid behind civilian airplanes, and then dropped bombs on the Russian separatists (also via BBC):

They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.

He made the statement after Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was shot down.

However, a Youtube video made a month before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down also alleges that Ukranian fighter jets were hiding behind passenger planes, pulling away temporarily, dropping bombs on Ukrainian separatists, and then hiding again behind the plane (minor corrections of spelling and punctuation):

Terrible things are happening. For example, an incident that happened recently: passenger plane was flying by, and Ukrainian attack aircraft hid behind it. Then he lowered his altitude a bit and dropped bombs on residential sector of Semenovka town. Then he regained the altitude and hid behind the passenger plane again. Then he left.

They wanted to provoke the militia to shoot at the passenger plane. There would be a global catastrophe. Civilians would have died.

Then they would say that terrorists here did it. There are no terrorists here. There are regular people here that came out in defense of their own city.

Postscript: The woman in the last video may be credible, or she may be a propagandist. But the point isn’t necessarily credibility. Let me explain with an analogy …

A circus manager is killed in a freak accident when the strongman drops a heavy weight on him, with some unusual motion caught on video.

A video surfaces – shot a month prior to the accident – in which Bozo the clown says that the strongman dropped a heavy weight and almost killed somebody, because he was experimenting with a way to “cheat” by spinning the weights thank keeping them steady (it’s often easier to spin with weights than hold them in a fixed position).

Bozo is not a credible witness. But his claim of a very similar near-accident a month before – and alleging highly-unusual behavior by the weightlifter – merits further investigation.

In the same way, the militant – or perhaps a paid propaganda actress – may not be a credible witness. But the fact that her video was posted a month before the airplane was shot down – and alleges unusual behavior by the Ukrainian air force – merits further investigation.

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  • par4

    Senior U.S. officials are all liars and war criminals. It was shot down because the U.S. installed a NAZI regime in Kiev, that is the original crime that all others follow from.

  • Dee

    Sorry, the story doesn’t wash .. The Commercial Aircraft were flying above 32,000 ft due to restricted airspace .. The SU-25’s that are doing the bombing have a maximum ceiling of 23,000 ft clean and 16,000 ft with a full bomb load. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25
    Try again, maybe that is “lie again”.

    • Joe

      Ukraine operates SU-25M1 variant. Wikipedia is wrong. Ukraine governments own website states higher service ceiling.

    • Carl_Herman

      Oh, I’m sorry, is this the same Dee who refuses after now 10+ chances to state what the UN Charter says about when armed attacks are and are not allowed/lawful in her ongoing arguments that nothing can be legally done to stop wars?

      You are a warmonger, Dee; with the etymology of war being “confusion”. Keep arguing for people being confused, law not really law, facts unable to be found, so dictators will say whatever they choose and that’s all good because we can’t know anything for certain.

      • Dee

        Hi Carl, how ya’ doing.. found a single example yet of a war getting stopped because it was illegal by the UN, any heads of state arrested by the UN? You keep telling me it is as easy to understand as traffic laws and as easy to arrest folks or stop a war as writing a traffic ticket.

        • Carl_Herman

          Dee, your evasive maneuvers are as clumsy as an airliner: I’ve asked you now maybe 11 times for you to tell us what the law means. I’ve already provided my documentation; you just like confusing the topic. This time, you pretend clarity of law is the same as lack of enforcement by corrupted UN “leaders”.

          I just want to point-out your history to those tempted to be confused by you on this topic. Have fun with “tryAgain”‘s 16 points above.

          And just to remind interested readers: the source/etymology of the word “war” is confusion. Map that onto Dee’s responses and see if that helps 🙂

          Oh, I’m doing fine, Dee; thanks for asking. Best wishes, although I doubt I’ll respond more on this topic.

    • TryAgain

      Try again yourself. They didn’t say it was at the same exact altitude, only that it was trailing it and climbing UP to it. The MH17 flight was also diverted and dipped in altitude.

      Ukraine order BUK divisions to that area proven by satellite.

      1. Malaysian Airlines confirmed that the pilot was instructed to fly at a lower altitude by the Kiev air traffic control tower

      2. The flight path was changed.

      3. The presence of the Ukrainian military jet was confirmed by Spanish air traffic controller “Carlos” at Kiev Borispol airport shortly after the plane was shot down, as well as eyewitnesses in Donetsk.

      4. Russia has made available public radar and satellite imagery as evidence.

      5. The U.S., despite its global spying apparatus, has not shown any radar or satellite imagery to back its claim that Russia and the Eastern-Ukrainian opposition are responsible for the downing of MH17.

      6. “The Russian Defense Ministry pointed out that at the moment of destruction of MH-17 an American satellite was flying over the area”

      7. A U.S. intelligence source claimed the “U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile batterythat launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have beenunder the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look
      like Ukrainian uniforms”

      8. Russia called for an expert independent investigation:

      9. The U.S. claimed, without evidence, but “with confidence” that Russia was involved

      10. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry’s statement above regarding Russian involvement is contradicted by the Russian satellite photos and numerous eye witnesses on the ground.

      11. US intelligence officials said there is no evidence of the Russian government’s involvement, also contradicting John Kerry’s statement above.

      12. A few hours after the crash, Kiev authorities presented a video in which the opposition admitted shooting down the plane. Experts who studied the video concluded that it was a fabrication. The encoding of the video file shows it was created on July 16, the day before the plane was shot down.

      13. John Kerry “referred to a video that the Ukrainians have made public showing an SA-11 unit heading back to Russia after the downing of the plane with ‘a missing missile or so.’” The video was “posted on the Facebook account of the Ukrainian Interior Minister.”According to numerous sources the video was “taken in or near Krasnoarmeisk”, a town under Kiev’s control since May and located “ 120 kilometers from the Russian border and 80 kilometers from where the Malaysian Boeing 777 crashed”

      14. Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Vitaly Yarema said the Ukrainian opposition did not possess a Buk missile system.

      15. The MH17 incident is used to wage economic war against Russia.

      16. In 1962, the U.S. Joint Chief of Staff planned Operation Northwoods, a secret “false flag operation” (declassified) in which a civilian airliner was to be shot down and blamed on the Cuban government. The objective was to manufacture a pretext to wage war on Cuba.

      • Carl_Herman

        Nice, try again; thank you.

  • Jul 18, 2014 Exclusive VICE News Footage of MH17 Aftermath

    July 17, 2014, a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet carrying 298 people was shot down over eastern Ukraine — allegedly by pro-Russia separatists. Residents in the area described bodies falling from the sky and landing in their own backyards.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg

    ACTUAL VIDEO FOOTAGE OF MH17 SHOOT DOWN PROVES ONE THING WITH CERTAINTY July 22nd, 2014

    That the Western Powers, including NATO, have in their possession the satellite imagery, technical data and radar signatures which categorically locates exactly where in the eastern Ukraine the missile was fired from which took down MH17. The unique signatures, in particular, also identify the precise type of missile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaeSwhen4mQ&list=UUKqFo29EDYngB8QcWEJ3Smg#t=31

  • Joe

    Ukrainian uses SU-25M1 variant. Service ceiling is much higher. From the Ukrainian governments own website..33k feet service ceiling. Absolute ceiling is much higher. MH17 was deviated 300 miles off its normal course per Ukraine ATC order as reported by the UK’s Telegraph.

    http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmicheskaya-tehnika/84-cy-25
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975524/Crashed-MH17-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html

    • Dee

      Best I can find is 10K meters 32,808 ft clean, highest with a full bomb load is 7000 meters 22,000 feet.
      it’s just real world details … nothing that should affect any of the ongoing narrative.

      • Joe

        Ukraine’s own military lists service ceiling at 33k ft. Its right on their webpage. Absolute ceiling is even higher as I stated above. It can go higher until the point it stalls (or come back down and repeat). Its just not good on gas but good for hiding. An F-15 fighter has a service ceiling of 65k ft and absolute ceiling of 100k ft. Look up absolute ceiling and get back to me.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceiling_%28aeronautics%29

        • Dee

          Joe, I know what Absolute ceiling is and I am familiar with the energy accumulation maneuvers needed to achieve it. The 33k altitude is clean without bombs or externals. Masking is a very specific maneuver, you match speed and altitude on a specific azimuth relative to the radar and you hold that position.. to match an airliner that would be pretty much level controlled flight and in all likely hood somewhat above and behind and making small adjustments for the changing angle on to the radar… You aren’t diving and climbing and flitting about .

          If you can’t make the altitude with a payload , you can’t slip out of masking and bomb something because you aren’t carrying any bombs.

          The bomb load cuts ceiling by as much as half.

          Also the 777 is slightly faster than a SU-25

          Here, listen to a Pilot who is marginally neutral

          http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/can-the-su-25-intercept-and-shoot-down-a-777/

          • Joe

            Clean such as no bombs right? So did it drop a bomb on top of the plane? Nope. Why are you assuming that it is carrying a full load then? Reports were 30mm shots to the cockpit not a bomb dropped from above. An F-15 has a 65k ft service ceiling. It can do 100k ft absolute ceiling stripped down with no load. Get it?

            The 777 speed is determined by the onboard computer. Its average cruising speed at 33k is mach .82 could be slightly less or slightly more depending on a number of factors. Thats the same as the SU-25M1. If the Ukraine SU-25M1 is coming at it at 90 degress (as shown by the shots to the cockpit plus Russia media picture) they are gonna intersect at some point.

          • Dee

            Joe I am assuming a bomb load because the offered scenario was the Frogfoot masking with the airliner and then dropping down and bombing the prorussian terrorists to evade the air defense missiles, and in the process the airliner got confused with the SU-25 and took a missile.
            Now you are switching to the frogfoot shooting down the airliner .. that would be a whole ‘nother scenario. I don’t think anybody is still pushing that theory, In fact I think the world has decided what happened… so all of this is actually moot, but you go ahead and believe what you have to believe for whatever reasons you need to believe it.
            Joe , you and I both know the F-15 has a thrust to weight ratio greater than 1, that alone really makes any conclusion extrapolated to the SU-25 more than a bit suspect.. But like I said.. you go with what you need to go with.

  • truthtime

    Good news though – the right-winger criminals in the Kiev government are in disarray and announced resignations. That made me smile.

    How dare the U.S. and Kiev use the deaths of those innocent people as a pre-text for their obvious war drum beating.

  • Franklin Beenz

    Interesting, so when military aircraft are hanging around civilian aircraft, it’s perfectly excusable to supposedly accidentally kill civilians but as in the case in Gaza, when military/terrorists mingle & hide among civilians, it is not excusable to supposedly accidentally kill civilians.

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  • Morozko Vlad

    This girl is not an actress, he name is Elena, she lived in the village of Semenovka and met there a commander of rebels, they fall in love and got married in Slavyansk, look the video from their wedding. Her husbund has a nick Motorola. http://novorossiya.name/svadba-motoroly-i-yeleny/

  • Linda Oliver

    Elena’s account comes from mid June – long before the MH17 tragedy. All she is saying is that Ukraine jets were hiding behind a passenger liner in order to drop bombs on the city – a war crime. She didn’t ‘predict’ anything. This is a false flag orchestrated by Washington DC in order to escalate NATO troop involvement in Eastern Europe – which they are now doing through the proposal to use Dutch & Australian ‘special ops’ at the crash site. The journalists I know in Donetsk have said there are NATO infantry & jet instructors already in Eastern Ukraine. Why hasn’t the media, the Dutch Safety Board, the OSCE & the people of the USA demanded that the US government provide its ‘evidence’? Come on now – the USA is dragging us all into war.