Was Malaysian Airlines MH-17 ACCIDENTALLY Shot Down Over Ukraine?

Was It An Accident?

While it is too early to know who shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 over Ukraine yesterday, it would be good to remember that airlines have accidentally been shot down numerous times in the past.

After all, the Malaysian airlines plane was way off course:

The plane flew over a war zone, which was well-known to be a “no fly zone” with “restricted airspace”.

The Los Angeles Times reports:

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was cruising just 1,000 feet above restricted airspace when it was struck by a missile in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, according to aviation and intelligence officials.

Despite ongoing violence in eastern Ukraine, including the recent downing of two military aircraft, Ukrainian aviation officials had closed the region’s airspace only below 32,000 feet in altitude.

The Boeing 777, en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, with 298 people aboard, was at 33,000 feet when it vanished from radar screens, according to European aviation authorities.

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In recent days, though, military aircraft were downed by antiaircraft munitions, which should have concerned aviation authorities, he said.

Reuters notes:

Malaysia Airlines filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000 feet throughout Ukraine airspace but was instructed by Ukraine air traffic control to fly at 33,000 feet upon entry ….


CBS writes in an article entitled “‘Big Question’ Is Why Plane Was Flying Over War Zone”:

During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.

Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News….

“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”

The Atlantic points out:

Did aviation authorities know that this was a dangerous area?

Yes, they most certainly did. Nearly three months ago, on the “Special Rules” section of its site, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration put out an order prohibiting American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine.

Bloomberg adds:

Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.

And AP reports:

If Ukrainian rebels shot down the Malaysian jetliner, killing 298 people, it may have been because they didn’t have the right systems in place to distinguish between military and civilian aircraft, experts said Saturday.

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to function correctly, an SA-11 launcher, also known as a Buk, is supposed to be connected to a central radar command — as opposed to acting alone — to be certain of exactly what kind of aircraft it is shooting at.

From the information that has come to light so far, the rebels don’t appear to have such systems, said Pavel Felgenhauer, a respected defense columnist for Novaya Gazeta, a Moscow-based newspaper known for its critical coverage of Russian affairs.

“They could easily make a tragic mistake and shoot down a passenger plane when indeed they wanted to shoot down a Ukrainian transport plane,” he said.

On Friday, Russia’s state-owned RIA Novosti news agency also quoted Konstantin Sivkov, director of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, as saying Buk missiles “should be provided with external systems of target identification, that is, radio-location systems. It’s an entire system. And the insurgents certainly don’t have radio-location.”

Without a backup, a missile can be fired by operators who are not totally sure of what they are aiming at.

“Just seeing a blip on a radar screen was in no away sufficient to make a targeting decision,” said Keir Giles, associate fellow for international security and Russia and Eurasia programs at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. “You need an additional radar system to which these weapons systems can be connected for additional information.”

Social media postings from the rebels in the immediate aftermath of Thursday’s Malaysia Airlines disaster also suggested they had assumed civilian aircraft were avoiding the area and that anything in the air was hostile.

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“It doesn’t sound like the separatists were using any of this (information), or tried for that matter,” said Latiff, who oversaw advanced weapons research and development for the Air Force and now teaches at the University of Notre Dame.

“My guess is the system’s radar saw a return from a big ‘cargo’ plane flying at 30,000 feet or so and either automatically fired, or some aggressive, itchy operator fired, not wanting to miss an opportunity. It doesn’t seem they chose to seek any additional data before pulling the trigger,” Latiff said.

A NATO military officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make public statements, said a Buk launcher, which is a self-propelled tracked vehicle resembling a tank, is ordinarily under the orders of a separate command post vehicle.

This is not the first time such an incident has occurred …

Numerous Previous Accidental Shootdowns … By Russia, Ukraine, and Other Countries

In 1954, mainland China’s Army shot down a Cathay Pacific Airways airplane, killing 10 out of the 19 passengers.   Cathay Pacific was the airline of Hong Kong, then under British control). In apologizing for the attack to Britain, the Chinese government said that they had thought the plane was a military aircraft from the Taiwan on an attack mission.

In 1973, a Libyan Arab Airlines Boeing 727 flying from Tripoli to Cairo got lost and flew over the Sinai peninsula,  under Israeli control since the Six-Day War in 1967. After giving signals to land and firing warning shots, Israeli jets shot down the plane, killing 108 of the 113 people on board.  The chief of staff of the Israeli armed forces took responsibility for ordering the shoot-down, the Defense Minister called the event an “error of judgment”, and the Israeli government compensated the families of victims (Libya condemned the attack as “a criminal act” while the Soviets called it a “monstrous new crime”).

In 1983, a Korean airlines passenger airline was shot down by a Soviet pilot killing all 269 passengers.  The pilot had accidentally deviated from the normal flight path:

A simplified CIA map showing divergence of planned and actual flight paths.

 

The Soviets believed it was likely a military aircraft. Transcripts quote the shootdown order from Soviet General Kornukov:

What civilian? [It] has flown over Kamchatka! It [came] from the ocean without identification. I am giving the order to attack if it crosses the State border.

The Washington Post reported in 1988:

A U.S. warship fighting gunboats in the Persian Gulf yesterday mistook an Iranian civilian jetliner for an attacking Iranian F14 fighter plane and blew it out of the hazy sky with a heat-seeking missile, the Pentagon announced. Iran said 290 persons were aboard the European-made A300 Airbus and that all had perished.

“The U.S. government deeply regrets this incident,” Adm. William J. Crowe Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Pentagon news conference.

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Navy officials said the Vincennes’ combat teams believed the airliner to be an Iranian F14 jet fighter.

Ukraine admitted to accidentally shooting down a Russian airliner in 2001, killing all 78 on board as the aircraft plunged into the Black Sea:

Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew.

Evhen Marchuk, the chairman of Ukraine’s security council, conceded that the plane had probably been brought down by “an accidental hit from an S-200 rocket fired during exercises”.

And – according to several government investigators tasked with determining what happened – an American missile test which went astray may have accidentally brought down TWA 800, killing all 230 on board.

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  • whiteaglesoaring

    A Ukrainian general told Ukraine’s Jewish president, Poroshenko, that separatists did not have the BUK system. Ukraine has BUK field teams fully trained and deployed in the war zone. Ukrainian jets accompanied MH-17 across Ukraine until 3 minutes before missile arrived. Ukraine Air Traffic Control diverted MH-17 from its normal route to a more northerly route through restricted airspace above war zone, and at a lower altitude than requested- 33.000 feet. Another false flag covert op by the tribe that has excelled in deception. War crimes of the Jewish lead Ukraine junta, appointed by Victoria Nudleman Nuland, mimic the war crimes of the Binyamin Netanyahu-lead Jewish State of Israel.

  • whiteaglesoaring

    10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Kiev Authorities, trying to
    make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”

    10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “warning! It can be a downing,
    Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”

    10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Warning! Kiev have what they
    wanted”

    10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “[Military] has taken control
    of ATC in Kiev”

    10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “The Malaysia Airlines B777
    plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly,
    confirmed”

    10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Plane shot down, shot down,
    shot down, no accident”

    10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Kiev have what they wanted, I
    said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”

    10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “An accident that is not quite
    normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”

    10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014
    – “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”

    10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Before They remove my phone or
    they break my head, shot down by Kiev”

    11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “We have confirmation. Plane
    downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”

    11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “What are doing foreigners with
    Kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”

    11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “When possible I´ll keep
    writing”

    11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – The B777 plane flew escorted by
    Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

    11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “If Kiev authorities want to
    tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before,
    wasn’t downed by a fighter”

    12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane
    just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How
    they knew?”

    12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “7:00 minutes after [plane
    disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with
    foreigner staff, they still here ”

    12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “all this is gathered in
    radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by Kiev, here we know it and military air
    traffic control also”

    13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Here the military commanders
    manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the
    pro-Russian”

    13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Interior Minister [Arsen
    Avakov] knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister
    didn’t.”

    13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Military confirm It was
    Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

    13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Days ago I said here, Kiev
    military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way,
    ordered by Timoshenko [following Timoshenko orders]”

    13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “The fighters flew close to
    777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

    13:43 – 17 – “Airspace closed”

    13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Airspace is closed, more
    downings feared”

    15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “military control now
    officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”

    15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Government has the official
    report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot
    down”

    15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “The report indicates where the
    missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the self defence in
    rebel areas”

    15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Military radar collected data
    from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”

    15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “military high command did not
    gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of Ukraine”

    15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “For those who do not know,
    Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and
    military under the orders of Interior Minister”

    15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “The military under the orders
    of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”

    16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Military commanders here (ATC)
    control tower, confirm that the missile is from the Ukrainian army,”

    16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “military commanders that knew
    it and others didn´t ”

    16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “290 dead innocent people. What
    a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money”

    16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “The way the control tower was
    taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made ​​us think that they
    [made it]”

    16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “The face of the soldiers who
    came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts”

    16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Such is the decline that military
    who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their
    version”

    16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 – “Our response was, these radars
    do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no
    doubts”

    http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/

  • Dorel

    Finally woke up and the international community, and I hope that eventually Russia through its leaders to pay for this act of terrorism without precedent whose moral and material is copyright. When I saw Putin’s statement I was flabbergasted Sarah JavaFX can be this man.

  • MrProkius .

    Versions MH17 was SHOOT DOWN by:
    – Russia military force – terrible crime;
    – Donetsk forces – act of terrorism;
    – Ukrain military force – some mistake;
    – USA – himselfs (airplane) fault.

  • MrProkius .

    And some fact about Buk’s missiles – it has a very long-time visible tail (several hours). But no one saw it! Think about it.