3 Congressmen Call for Release of Secret 9/11 Documents After Reading Them

All of the Chairs of the 9/11 Commission and the Congressional Investigation Into 9/11 Say It’s “Implausible” that the 9/11 Hijackers Acted Without Government Backing

Congressman Thomas Massie read the 28 classified pages of the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry into 9/11 (the joint Senate and House investigation into 9/11) and immediately called for them to be released to the public:

By way of background, the former Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, outside adviser to the CIA, and Co-Chair of the congressional investigation into 9/11 – Bob Graham – says:

I have personally talked to the other cochair of the Congressional Joint Inquiry, a man who was a very distinguished congressman and, later, director of the CIA [Porter Goss], I have talked to the two chairs of the … 9/11 Commission, asking them, what do you think were the prospects of these 19 people being able to plan, practice, and execute the complicated plot that was 9/11 without any external support?

All three of them used almost the same word: “Implausible”. That it is implausible that that could have been the case.

Yet that has now become the conventional wisdom to the aggressive exclusion of other alternatives.

Indeed, it is pretty clear that 9/11 was state-sponsored terror … although people argue about which state or states were responsible (we personally believe that at least two allied governments were involved).

Indeed, Graham – along with 9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerrey – said in sworn declarations that the Saudi government is linked to the 9/11 attacks. They’re calling for either a “permanent 9/11 commission” or a new 9/11 investigation to get to the bottom of it.

An FBI report implicates the Saudi government.

And many other top U.S. counter-terrorism officials say that the government’s explanation of the 9/11 hijackers being “lone wolves” connected only to Al Qaeda is ridiculous. See this and this.

If this sounds implausible, remember that Saudi Prince Bandar – the recently-fired head of Saudi intelligence – helped to arm the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, and is now arming Al Qaeda in Syria. (Background). Respected financial writer Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says that Prince Bandar admitted that Saudi Arabia carries out false flag terror.

Indeed, the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 found that the Saudi government supported the 9/11 attacks, but the Bush administration classified the 28 pages of the report which discussed the Saudis.

Bipartisan Bill to Publicly Release Report on Saudi Involvement In 9/11

A bipartisan bill – introduced by congressmen Walter B. Jones (Republican from North Carolina) and Stephen Lynch (Democrat from Massachusetts) would declassify the 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry which implicate the Saudi government.

Sadly, both the Bush and Obama administrations have gone to great lengths to keep Saudi involvement under wraps for more than 10 years.

Remember, the U.S. government allowed members of Bin Laden’s family – and other suspicious Saudis – to hop on airplanes and leave the country right after 9/11 without even interviewing them, even though air traffic was grounded for everyone else.

Additionally, a Saudi FBI informant hosted and rented a room to Mihdhar and another 9/11 hijacker in 2000.

Investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House.

As the New York Times notes:

Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ….The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.

In his book “Intelligence Matters,” Mr. Graham, the co-chairman of the Congressional inquiry with Representative Porter J. Goss, Republican of Florida, said an F.B.I. official wrote them in November 2002 and said “the administration would not sanction a staff interview with the source.” On Tuesday, Mr. Graham called the letter “a smoking gun” and said, “The reason for this cover-up goes right to the White House.”

The government obstructed the 9/11 Commission in every way possible. During both the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission investigation, government “minders” intimidated witnesses and obstructed the investigation.

Obama has been no better.  Obama’s Department of Justice filed an amicus brief in the U.S. Supreme Court arguing that the lawsuit brought by the families of victims killed in the 9/11 attacks against Saudi Arabia should be thrown out of court (it was; but the Supreme Court reversed that decision).

Graham said that he’s lobbied Obama for years to release the 28 pages and to reopen the investigation, but Obama has refused. The former Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee and 9/11 investigator has even resorted to filing Freedom of Information requests to obtain information, but the Obama administration is still stonewalling:

Graham said that like the 28 pages in the 9/11 inquiry, the Sarasota case is being “covered up” by U.S. intelligence. Graham has been fighting to get the FBI to release the details of this investigation with Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and litigation. But so far the bureau has stalled and stonewalled, he said.

And a former U.S. congressman for 6 years, who is now a talking head on MSNBC (Joe Scarborough) says that – even if the Saudi government backed the 9/11 attacks – Saudi oil is too important to do anything about it:

Still Urgent Today

Ancient history, you say?

Graham notes:

Although it’s been more than a decade ago when this horrific event occurred, I think [the questions of who supported the attacks] have real consequences to U.S. actions today.

For example, the U.S. might not want to support – let alone launch joint military adventure alongside – a regime which supported the 9/11 hijackers.

As Graham told told PBS:

[Question]: Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can’t?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: Yes … I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.

I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots.

To me that is an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That would motivate the government to take action.

[Question]: Are you suggesting that you are convinced that there was a state sponsor behind 9/11?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing — although that was part of it — by a sovereign foreign government and that we have been derelict in our duty to track that down, make the further case, or find the evidence that would indicate that that is not true and we can look for other reasons why the terrorists were able to function so effectively in the United States.

[Question]: Do you think that will ever become public, which countries you’re talking about?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: It will become public at some point when it’s turned over to the archives, but that’s 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this information now because it’s relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today.

Postscript: Ironically, the U.S. government has in the past alleged state sponsorship of 9/11 when it suited its purposes. Specifically, people may not remember now, but – at the time – the supposed Iraqi state sponsorship of 9/11 was at least as important a justification for the Iraq war as the alleged weapons of mass destruction. This claim that Iraq is linked to 9/11 has since been debunked by the 9/11 Commission, top government officials, and even – long after they alleged such a link – Bush and Cheney themselves. But 70% of the American public believed it at the time, and 85% of U.S. troops believed the U.S. mission in Iraq was “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks.”

See this for a contrary view.

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  • cettel

    a terrific post by GW

  • Bev

    http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2012/01/aa-exposes-bushs-big-lie-flight-11-did.html
    AA Exposes Bush’s ‘Big Lie’: Flight 11 DID NOT FLY on 911!
    by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy

    American Airlines is the source for information that AA Flights 11 (North Tower) and 77 (Pentagon) did not fly on 911. If neither flew on 911, the Bush ‘theory’ is a lie. If the Bush ‘theory’ is a lie, there remains only one explanation and that is: 911 was an inside job given a green-light by Bush himself. Moreover –only Pentagon employees were autopsied as a result of Flight 77 crashing the Pentagon. There are NO names of passengers on the list, which is, in fact, the only admissible evidence to survive Bush’s cover up and his obvious and felonious destruction of evidence (wreckage) at the Pentagon.

    These “holes” are fatal to the Bush government’s crumbling cover up! Conan Doyle, the brilliant creator of the character Sherlock Holmes, said:

    “When you have eliminated the impossible whatever remains however implausible must be the truth!”

    Bush’s official conspiracy theory of 911 is not only impossible, it is absurd and insulting to intelligent people!

    The Bush Conspiracy Theory is impossible; That’s why we know it is a lie!
    ………..

    Interesting Background:
    http://www.madcowprod.com/2014/07/15/another-american-mystery-plane-busted/#more-6135
    Busted Again! Another American “Mystery Plane”
    Posted on July 15, 2014 by Daniel Hopsicker

    • Albury Smith

      So American Airlines was “in on it” too? For obvious reasons, no passengers on any of the four hijacked airliners was autopsied, but all of the passengers and crew on AA 77 were forensically identified except for one small infant whose remains were not found.
      https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
      https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/pentagonattackpage2
      No-planers are the bottom of the heap.

      • Bev

        http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2006/09/congress-is-powerless-to-absolve-bush.html

        Congress is powerless to absolve Bush of capital crimes and torture charges
        by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy
        ………….
        Nor will you, “Albury Smith,” be absolved.

        • Albury Smith

          I don’t need to be absolved of telling the truth about the al Qaeda suicide attacks of 9/11/01, nor do I care what crackpots like “Len Hart” think.

          • Bev

            http://www.existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2011/07/road-trip-to-ground-zero-get-on-board.html

            Road Trip to Ground Zero: Get on Board
            by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy

            Anyone who would solve 911 must place the suspect at the scene of the crime.
            Candidates not having method, motive, and opportunity must be eliminated. That applies to Bushco’s scapegoats–some 14 Arab hijackers who cannot be placed (at) the scene of the crime, specifically NONE of them can be placed on any hijacked flight at any time! Until the BBC tracked down some of the alleged hijackers and interviewed them AFTER they were said to have died on 911, I might have been inclined to believe that they had not even existed. But–in any case–a living hijacker in a post-911 world disproves the Bush theory.

            And, yours.

          • Albury Smith

            Gee; why didn’t your “Len Hart” crackpot post links to some of the BBC interviews with the “live” hijackers? Millions of people would love to see them, including the Saudis:
            http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

          • Bev

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

            Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK

            Hijack ‘suspects’ alive and well

            A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago.

            Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

            The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

            Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

            His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

            Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

            He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

            He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

            But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

            Mistaken identity

            Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.

            Abdelaziz Al Omari ‘lost his passport in Denver’

            He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.

            Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.

            The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.

            Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.

            Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive

            He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.

            And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.

            FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

      • lazlodelarental

        No one was identified. Obama’s people had the documents cooked up.

        • Albury Smith

          News flash: Obama wasn’t president in 2001.

  • notthere56

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    this sudden push to blame the Saudis for 9/11 is just another tentacle of the neocon (or whoever you want to say) plan to destabilize the Middle East. Anything getting this much notice all of a sudden is suspicious to anyone who pays attention to the way the media propagates the positions that are desired by those in power. It smells like a sales pitch.

    And of course, the blame-the-Saudis meme leaves out more than it says… Sure, they were involved, but that still leaves Building 7, Susan Lindauer, Sibel Edmonds, Barry Jennings, Richard Andrew Grove, the put options, non-response of NORAD, nanothermite residue, Larry Silverstein, Jerome Hauer, the celebrating Israelis across the Hudson who had a video camera recording and hi-fiving each other because they knew the plan (and who later said on Israeli TV "we were there to document the event"), the war games going at the same time that posited the exact events occurring at the same time they did, the ridiculous quantity of coincidences you have to accept to maintain belief in the official conspiracy theory, and on and on.

    Bob Graham's famous protestations against protecting the Saudis is put in a different light when you add that on the morning of 9/11 Graham was meeting in Washington with the head of ISI (Pakistan's CIA cutout), who is known to have wired money to M. Atta, and Porter Goss (who soon would head CIA). But we won't be going into that on MSNBC, will we?

    Are we supposed to accept that these people in DC and the media now want the truth? That WOULD be a change.

  • Man on the street

    There has been thousands of broadcast hours dedicated to the 9/11 Muslim Terrorist attack on WTC. Yet, no in depth investigation of the Bush cover up? No investigation of the 19 terrorists and their relationship to Saudi Arabia? Germany Islamic centers? The hasten arrangement by Bush to round up the Saudis in America, and give them a safe flight away without allowing our FBI time to question them.

    The American people had to drag the Bush cabal kicking and screaming to conduct an “INVESTIGATION”? Then made 28 pages a secret never to be revealed the unwashed sheeple. The narrative conducted by the government was never challenged by our “FREE” media? Independent thinkers, who smelled a cover up (28 pages worth), had to rely on internet conspiracy theories? Some of which was never taken by the mainstream media?

    • Albury Smith

      The ~160 Saudi nationals in the US on 9/11/01, including some members of the bin Laden FAMILY, were not “rounded up” by anyone; they were investigated by the FBI and not permitted to fly out until the ATC Zero order was lifted on September 13, 2001. The first to leave the US flew out on the 14th.
      There have been plenty of investigations of the 19 terrorists and their relationship to Saudi Arabia, including those done by Saudi Arabia itself:
      http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

      • David S

        Thanks Albury.. What we do NOT need is the muddled misinformation that seems to resonate so freely from the truther movement. I’m all for opening up a new 9/11 investigation, maybe even permanently. But promoting & peddling misinformation about 9/11 facts should be a crime in itself..

  • Anthony Mirabito

    The only thing people need to know about 9/11 is that the two people most responsible for preventing the attack, Able Danger’s lead operative Marine Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and anti-terror czar Richard Clark, have BOTH implicated our intelligence services as being complicit in the attacks that day. Oh, yeah .. that and the inexplicable implosion of Building #7.

    • Albury Smith

      When did Richard A. Clarke become a 9/11 truther nut?

      • Anthony Mirabito

        In 2009. Here’s the interview where he calls out CIA Director George Tenet for his complicity in allowing the 9/11 hijackers to operate in secrecy on American soil..

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzP9YJpBubk

        • Albury Smith

          He wrote Against All Enemies in 2004. I’d recommend reading it. US intelligence pre-Patriot Act was hindered by the Gorelick Wall and other human rights safeguards, and Clarke and many others attribute the lack of inter-agency intelligence sharing to the success of al Qaeda’s 9/11 Planes Operation. That doesn’t make them 9/11 truther nuts.

  • Rudy M

    This is way too much of a limited hangout for 2014. There is no proof
    there were any actual hijackers (though there certainly was a trail left
    by alleged hijackers).

    I know, no plane theory is just disinfo,
    blah blah blah. I’ve been looking at it for several years now, and
    despite the oddness surrounding many of its earliest exponents, I think
    the evidence in favor of no plane theory (minimally, the claim that no
    jetliners crashed at any of the alleged 9/11 crash sites) has only grown
    over the years. Let’s not forget, for instance, that loose cannon Nico
    Haupt nevertheless was one of the earliest researchers to draw attention
    the war games happening on 9/11. Less significantly, he also coined the
    LIHOP/MIHOP terminology that is sometimes used.

    A summary of
    evidence I sent to a friend lately (and I don’t have time to figure out
    what kind of html is allowed here, so these links are dead for now:

    According to the official estimates of the plane speeds, they
    were flying at speeds which (according to other official sources) are
    beyond the maximum operating speeds for jetliners of this sort, at the
    low altitude at which they were said to be flying.

    Even if these planes could fly at those speeds (near sea level), it would be virtually impossible for a pilot
    to control them. On top of that, the alleged hijackers who are said to
    have piloted the planes all had records of being poor to exceptionally
    poor pilots, and that was on much smaller planes. (This by itself leaves open the possibility of remote controlled piloting of the planes, but I think the other arguments rule that out.)

    ACARS
    data indicated that some of the planes were still in the air after they
    are said to have crashed. This gets technical and I’d rather let Pilots for 9/11 Truth explain it.

    According to Pilots for 9/11 Truth, the
    official flight data recording for one of the flights (the one that is
    alleged to have hit the Pentagon), indicates that the cockpit door was
    never opened. There are other more technical problems with it that they
    discuss.

    The BTS records showed no scheduled flights AA11 and AA77.
    (I think this has since been altered by BTS, but I can confirm that I
    went to their website after reading about this and getting the same
    results claimed by researchers.) The two planes from the 9/11 story that
    were scheduled to fly that day didn’t have their tail numbers listed as
    decommissioned until a few years later. (I’m having trouble finding a
    good reference for this at the moment, but I’ve confirmed it to my
    satisfaction in the past.)

    No plane parts have been produced with the serial numbers that can identify them as being from that particular plane.

    Eyewitnesses
    often reported what looked like a smaller commuter plane or possibly a
    missile. There is also a relative lack of eyewitness description of the
    sort of extremely loud sound you would expect from a passenger jet
    (particularly flying at full throttle).

    The supposed video footage of the alleged plane crashes shows physically
    impossible things, and is full of anomalies. The two main videos
    showing full penetration of the South Tower strike show the plane
    practically melting into the building, preceding an explosion. The plane
    shows no physical reaction at all to hitting the building. Nope, the
    wing tips just slight right through the steel frame of the South Tower.
    In the Hezarkhani
    footage the building doesn’t even appear to be damaged, where the plane
    has already passed through, until the plane is all the way in, easier to see in stills. On some of the live footage, the nose of the plane appears to go entirely through the building,
    and it was described as such by the anchor person. (There should be no
    question this would be impossible. Any argument would have to be about
    what other real object it could have been.) Note: I don’t necessarily
    agree with everything in the “Nosed Out” video and am very suspicious of
    Simon Shack. I also don’t see how the CBS “Dive Bomber” footage can be reconciled with the extensive footage showing a flat trajectory. Maybe it’s a perspective thing, but I don’t get how they can be reconciled.

    The Pentagon attack is in a category of its own in terms of how much can be said as to why the official story can’t be true.

    More here (though this is sloppy in places, puts weak or poor arguments ahead of good ones, and even gets a name incorrect): http://nomoregames.net/2010/09/01/plane-deceit-at-the-world-trade-center/ Unfortunately, Genghis6199’s 9/11 Flatline is no longer streamable in full, online; but his more difficult to following 9/11 Taboo is
    still out there and worth looking at. I think he was so steeped in the
    9/11footage that he didn’t realize how difficult this was to follow for
    someone not as completely familiar with all the available footage.
    *

    This
    Saudi-related stuff would be nice to have, but I think it’s a side
    issue, since the role of the alleged hijackers, in my opinion, was just
    to make an appearance, so that later the PTB could say: they’re the ones
    who did it. 9/11 was not a fly by night operation. There are many
    layers to this psy op.

    (As an aside, in relation to another
    comment: Richard Clarke has a shady past as highlighted by Gwenyth Todd
    who reminds us of some trouble he got into in the 90s on behalf of
    Israel. Not that I put 100% trust in Todd either, but the mini scandal
    involving Clarke and Israel was discussed in mainstream sources. I can
    maybe post a citation later.)

    Apologies if this is a double-post, it doesn’t look like it posted when I logged in with Google, so trying again.

    • irishguy

      maybe I’m just feeding the troll here, silly me, but why write a big long spiel about about a “no planes” fringe theory which will only serve dissuade anyone who hasn’t already studied the evidence publicly available? How about writing about the free fall or near free fall acceleration of the WTC towers which can be empirically measured from the available videos taken on the day? That it’s impossible gravity could have been the only acting force for such a collapse? Or about the explosive residue found in dust samples taken from the scene – on which papers have been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal, still to be refuted? Or the stand down of NORAD etc?

      • Albury Smith

        Here’s the only peer review of the absurd “Active Thermitic Materials…” paper:
        http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/bentham-editor-resigns-over-steven.html
        Rust, sulfur, aluminum, etc. “reminded” Harrit, Jones, et al. of something or other, no exemplars provided, and the editor-in-chief was reminded to resign in disgust. The idea of trying to divine the causes of building collapses by timing them is equally nonsensical.
        Please ask Richard Gage* and his “experts” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in
        cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4
        corner columns in each tower’s core:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
        http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
        If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
        *Gage’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

        • James Carlisle

          Smith doesn’t deal with the FACT that NIST have been unable to explain the collapse of WTC7 –

          • Albury Smith

            They apparently haven’t explained it TO YOU, but the findings in NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, 1-9A, etc. are accepted by the ASCE, NCSEA, SEI, SEAoNY, RIBA, AIA, structuremag.org, ENR, PopMech, Journal of Engineering Mechanics…
            Since you obviously drink the Kool-Aid, please ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • scott_ewing

            How did WTC 7 collapse symmetrically (all four corners dropping at once)

            and quickly (achieving a period of freefall)

            from what was limited and asymmetrical damage?

            As seen here :

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

            Such physically observable behavior would require near-simultaneous failure at all points of construction – would it not?

            How is this physically possible without cutter charges?

            Try and answer without smearing anyone

            – or by simply and glibly referring me on to NIST’s erroneous computer models or non-existent explanations, albury.

          • Albury Smith

            You do know that gravity pulls down, don’t you, Scott? WTC 7’s exterior columns were 100% moment connected to spandrel beams, and that means they could only all stand or all fail simultaneously. At t=~1.75 seconds of the EXTERIOR collapse, the gutted outer shell had no MEASURABLE resistance under it for One-Trick Chandler’s precious ~2.25 seconds at g. Since the interior was still collapsing and had been for ~9 seconds at that point, g could actually have been EXCEEDED for part of that time.
            Since you obviously drink the Kool-Aid, please ask Richard Gage* and his “experts” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Gage’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • scott_ewing

            I knew you couldn’t do it without smearing.

            @everyone else

            Anyone else interested in who this albury guy is and what he’s doing here

            – as he pumps out zionist talking points while demanding everyone believe him and disregarding any opposing claims out of hand –

            him and his ongoing internet spam job can be explained in this.

            How Israel Uses Twitter, Facebook & Tinder To Legitimize Murder

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsunQGmGeJ8

            He is currently also working hard elsewhere with his script of talking points – trying to justify the massacre in Gaza that’s happening right now.

            As far as 9/11 goes – this is the best documentary I have yet seen on the topic. It is a rebuttal to what 9/11 debunkers have claimed to have debunked – and it is full of questions that albury smith cannot answer

          • scott_ewing

            September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor

            Part 3 is the best – as it deals with the demolitions

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

          • Albury Smith

            Ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video
            with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″
            webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in
            WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • scott_ewing

            Building 7 – Gone in 7 Seconds
            A smear-free look at the fast & symmetrical collapse of WTC7.
            More than 2,000 Architects & Engineers can prove that the official story of 9/11 cannot be true.
            albury would prefer that you didn’t watch it.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HetCLca2fbw

          • Albury Smith

            That’s both stupid and dishonest. The causes of building collapses are not divined by timing them, and you’re lying about the time. WTC 7’s EXTERIOR collapse took ~8.5 seconds (the top ~242′ or 18 stories were timed in 5.4 seconds), and the east end of the penthouse dropped ~6.9 seconds before the main parapet walls, so the interior was collapsing for at least that long before the EXTERIOR even began falling.
            Time it yourself from any video — you can’t see the bottom floors. 9/11 truther nuts suck.

          • scott_ewing

            albury smith thinks buildings can somehow hollow themselves out and then collapse symmetrically – achieving a period of free fall – landing in their own footprint – without help from a controlled demolition. Buildings do not behave this way.

            I’ll take the findings of 2,000+ Architects & Engineers

            over albury’s motivated and constant smears and online opinions, NIST’s flawed computer models, omissions and its insufficient ‘scientific’ conclusions any day.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiLYPKAnqnY

          • Albury Smith

            What findings? Box Boy and his crackpots haven’t even investigated; they just shoot from the hip. Please explain why they’re not even mentioned in this ~$314.5 million lawsuit over WTC 7’s collapse, despite their huge rethink911 billboard in Times Square just ~3 miles north of that federal courthouse:
            http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020131204097

          • scott_ewing

            yeah, not with you on your ongoing disinfo, albury.

            Why not ? Because of the points made in this documentary. It is a REBUTTAL of your tired, tired, talking points. You get 10/10 for effort, tho.

            But minus several million for all the systemic blood on your hands that you got for misrepresenting and misdirecting (and smearing) for a living.

            September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” – Full version (3/3)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

            Shouldn’t you be busy trying to justify the unjustifiable zionist war crimes taking place in Gaza at the moment?

            (besides shouting down any information that does not gel with the official 9/11 myth using text based suppression techniques 24/7 online)

            Answer the questions in the documentary albury – no one else that believes that arabs did 9/11 can answer them.

            Shoot from the hip.

          • Albury Smith

            Your mockumentary is typical 9/11 truther nut garbage, including the oxyacetylene torch cuts dishonestly presented as C/D evidence. Please answer my questions re: ConEd, Aegis, et al. and their ignoring of Box Boy and his crackpots:
            http://www.alternet.org/feedback

          • scott_ewing

            You’re very dismissive, albury. Frothy and dismissive. And all your posts are full of smears – and no substance to them. You don’t appear to be able to compare conflicting information in your head – and you won’t answer the questions in the New Pearl Harbor Documentary – because you can’t.

            I’ve answered your red-herring questions before. Many of them lead nowhere, or are circular in nature, or are irrelevant to the observable physics, or are questions which require more information in order to be answered (often information that has been purposefully withheld and has yet to be forthcoming).

            So I will take a pass on your request, thanks.

            I don’t trust your own personal level of expertise or your own peculiar brand of motivated reasoning – to help me understand the events of 9/11 (hope that’s ok).

            The fact that you are also in full-blown hasbera mode elsewhere online at the moment trying very, very, hard to justify the zionist’s current and unjustifiable war crimes being committed in Gaza right now – makes you doubly suspicious looking.

            People have been observing your online behavior for years – and you have a reputation, mr smith. And it’s not a good one.

            @ everyone else

            Anyone curious to see real live hasbera in action (lying, disinformation, missrepresentation and missdirection)

            can follow some of albury’s daily, all-day activities here :

            http://disqus.com/albury/

          • Albury Smith

            Those photos of torch-cut columns could only fool someone who’s never used an oxyacetylene torch or even seen someone else use one. Why didn’t the ON-SITE Local 40 & 361 ironworkers notice this alleged C/D evidence during the EIGHT MONTHS of WTC cleanup, but 9/11 troofers WHO WEREN’T THERE did? Why don’t the plaintiffs in this ~$314.5 million lawsuit know about the secret C/D of the hi-rise they’re suing about?
            http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020131204097
            “Albury” isn’t the topic here.

          • scott_ewing

            “”Albury” isn’t the topic here.”

            Yes, you are. Have you worked out exactly why it is you keep getting banned from all those many websites yet?

            Have you had any luck with successfully answering any of the questions to 9/11 debunkers in The New Pearl Harbor documentary (the documentary that you keep glibly smearing, dismissing and ignoring) yet ?

          • Albury Smith

            Have you worked out exactly why it is that ANYONE is banned for nothing more than politely disagreeing with others on a “forum”? I get banned by 9/11 truther nuts because they can’t refute facts any better than you do, and am grateful to this moderator for permitting me to comment.
            If “Albury” is your topic here, you have no relevant argument.

          • scott_ewing

            The topic here isn’t so much ‘albury’ but rather ‘what albury does’.

            You get constantly banned because you turn up on websites with a specific script that promotes the official version of 9/11 events.

            You completely disregard and refuse to examine or consider any information that refute your set of opinions – glibly dismissing anyone or anything that runs contrary to the official 9/11 myth – while completely ignoring the many, many, problems and unanswered questions concerning the official 9/11 myth – smearing and sneering as you go – in favor of constantly reiterating your set of talking points and circular arguments ad nauseaum (which is shilling & trolling behavior) – hoping people will just give up trying to make you see reason. Which you refuse to do. This is just one of the many things you do that makes people hate you then ban you.

            There’s nothing polite about you – and the fact that you are actively going into bat in favor for the current zionist horror unfolding against the Palestinians right now in Gaza speaks volumes about your character and lack of humanism.

            Have you had any luck with successfully answering any of the questions to 9/11 debunkers (that’s you) in The New Pearl Harbor documentary (the documentary that you keep glibly smearing, dismissing and ignoring) yet ?

            It clearly refutes your own personal set of ‘facts’ – but if you can keep ignoring it then you will keep ignoring it, won’t you.

            Here it is again – just so it’s slightly harder for you to keep ignoring:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

            It contains several questions that no one who still thinks Arabs did 9/11 can answer. Least of all you.

          • Albury Smith

            I’ve answered all of the “questions” in that grossly dishonest video numerous times, Scott, and now I have one for you: Why has no al Qaeda operative or any relative of one denied their 9/11 Planes Operation in the last 12+ years, despite the fact that AQ’s been under constant threat from the most powerful military in the world and is considered the perpetrator of the 9/11 and other suicide attacks by every government, intelligence agency, and legitimitate media source IN THE WORLD?
            Thanks in advance.

          • scott_ewing

            “I’ve answered all of the “questions” in that grossly dishonest video numerous times”

            No, you haven’t.

            All you’ve done is smear it as ‘grossly dishonest’

            without answering any of the questions in the documentary.

            Here it is again :

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

          • Albury Smith

            Your video is total BS, Scott. I already told you that torch-cut columns aren’t C/D evidence, and neither are the reports of “molten steel running down [STEEL] channel rails” and steel columns bent in half by the collapse, nor did John Gross or anyone else from NIST ever deny the possibility of molten steel in the debris fires:

            http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_faqs_082006.cfm (item #13)

            Did your magical stuff superheat three-story lengths of columns, morph into a high explosive whenever it suits you, and then keep steel molten for 100+ days?! What kept the channel from melting too? How many FDNY are in your 9/11 “truth movement”?
            Once again, why has no al Qaeda operative or any relative of one denied their 9/11 Planes Operation in the last 12+ years, despite the fact that AQ’s been under constant threat from the most powerful military in the world and is considered the perpetrator of the 9/11 and other suicide attacks by every government, intelligence agency, and legitimitate media source IN THE WORLD?

          • scott_ewing

            So still no luck with answering any of the questions to debunkers (that’s you) in the New Pearl Harbor documentary then?

            The questions are far more relevant than your own nothing, purposefully obfuscating, red-herring questions.

            Have a go, albury. I’m keen to see what you come up with.

            Start with part three (posted above) because it deals with the observable demolitions of all 3 WTC buildings.

          • Albury Smith

            Still no luck in getting you to acknowledge that I answered your questions regarding your BS 9/11 troofer video, Scott, or in getting an answer out of you to my question:

            rpt: why has no al Qaeda operative or any relative of one denied their 9/11 Planes Operation in the last 12+ years, despite the fact that AQ’s been under constant threat from the most powerful military in the world and is considered the perpetrator of the 9/11 and other suicide attacks by every government, intelligence agency, and legitimitate media source IN THE WORLD?

          • scott_ewing

            You’re having no luck in getting me to acknowledge that you answered the questions in the New Pearl Harbor documentary – because you haven’t answered any of the questions in the New Pearl Harbor documentary, albury.

            You’re just saying that you have – hoping people will believe you.

            And you are smearing the documentary as ‘BS’

            without discussing its content or answering the questions in it.

            You are intellectually dishonest, albury.

          • Albury Smith

            rpt: why has no al Qaeda operative or any relative of one denied their 9/11 Planes Operation in the last 12+ years, Scott, despite the fact that AQ’s been under constant threat from the most powerful military in the world and is considered the perpetrator of the 9/11 and other suicide attacks by every government, intelligence agency, and legitimitate media source IN THE WORLD?

          • scott_ewing

            rpt: So still no luck with answering any of the questions to debunkers (that’s you) in the New Pearl Harbor documentary then, albury?

          • Albury Smith

            You’re a liar and a waste of time, Scott.

          • scott_ewing

            I don’t care about your opinion, albury.

            You and I both know exactly what you are and what what your job is.

            You won’t answer the questions in the documentary because you ‘can’t’.

          • Albury Smith

            Please ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core, Scott:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • scott_ewing

            While it’s true that talking to you is a lot like the spiritual equivalent of snorkeling in a sewer – it does serve a useful purpose in allowing others to not only observe how you operate over time – but also to determine the limits of your effectiveness in your ongoing and constant role as an internet bullshit billboard.

            For a long time now, you have been observed to glibly ridicule, ignore and dismiss without discussion any information that counters the official 9 11 myth – sneering and smearing all the while (‘box boy, etc).

            Your best hope has been to try and shout down any such information by using tired text-based suppression techniques and spamming red-herring questions that are circular in nature, lead nowhere, that are irrelevant to the observable physics, or require information that has been withheld and yet to be forthcoming from ‘official’ sources in order to answer.

            You demand that people believe that an over-engineered skyscraper can collapse quickly and symmetrically from small and asymmetric damage – when such a thing is only possible with the help of controlled demolition technology.

            30-Second Reel of Building 7 Collapse Footage

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

            You constantly refer people on to NIST’s ‘findings’ when people have now realized that NIST’s analysis has been found wanting. NIST is now facing lawsuits for its deceitful role in all this.

            You are purposefully disingenuous, intellectually dishonest and – since 9 11 was used to justify aggressive wars of expansion – you systemically enable ongoing war crimes for a living – by working to keep the official lie alive in people’s heads with your practiced insincerity.

            The good news is – people can now see what you are.

            But that’s not good news for you, albury.

          • scott_ewing

            September 11 A New Pearl Harbor – AE911Truth

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEkVsj88Xsg

          • Albury Smith

            Here are some ” tired text-based suppression techniques and spamming red-herring questions that are circular in nature, lead nowhere, that are irrelevant to the observable physics, or require information that has been withheld and yet to be forthcoming from ‘official’ sources in order to answer,” Scott:
            http://www.architectmagazine.com/architecture/architects-shy-from-truther-conspiracy-theory.aspx
            Why does Box Boy’s own(?) AIA want nothing to do with him and his 9/11 LIES?

          • scott_ewing

            Spam your scripted set of disingenuous, misdirective, obfuscating talking points all you want, albury.

            They don’t work anymore.

          • Albury Smith

            Factual answers don’t work with you, Scott; you just keep pretending I didn’t post them.

          • scott_ewing

            You haven’t posted any answers to the questions in the New Pearl Harbor documentary, albury. Let’s see them.

            All you’ve done is smear people – and spam red-herring, nothing questions.

            Start with part three.

          • Albury Smith

            You’re fos, Scott, and I’m not going to keep copying and pasting answers I’ve already posted here several times. This is apparently what 9/11 truther nuts do when they can’t ban me, although the gentleman running this blog has been kind enough not to do that.

          • scott_ewing

            So you’re not just a smearing, soulless, substance-less sellout – you’re a suck up too?
            You haven’t provided any answers at all to the questions posed in the New Pearl Harbor doco – you are just trying to make people think that you have.

            How does threatening me make WTC 7 fall any slower?

          • Albury Smith

            Be sure to Box Boy lots of money, Scott. He preys on pathetic saps like you.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • Albury Smith

            Do you realize how much raw courage it takes to be a 9/11 truther nut, Scott?Poor Jessie Evans was “only 27 years old, “just asking questions,” and…KABOOM!!!
            http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/09/911-truther-killed/
            PLEASE be extra careful around hi-rise buildings. It’s too late for poor Jessie. How terribly tragic… 🙁

          • scott_ewing

            You can’t and won’t answer the questions to debunkers in the New Pearl Harbor documentary – so you resort to threats ? You’re all class, albury.

            It doesn’t really help your case that you are trying to promote.

            Maybe you should go on CSPAN :

            9 11 Truth On C SPAN

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIQHVv-h-vg

          • Albury Smith

            Send Box Boy loads of money, Scott. He preys on gullible saps like you.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • scott_ewing

            That tired and transparent ‘they’re just in it for the money’ talking point / smear just doesn’t work anymore, albury.

            Anyone can watch ae911 videos on youtube for free.

            9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

          • Albury Smith

            Where are the EXPLOSIVES, EVIDENCE, and EXPERTS in Box Boy’s dog-and-pony show you’re peddling here, Scott?

          • scott_ewing

            In the documentary. The one you are working hard to smear.

          • Albury Smith

            WHERE, Scott?

          • scott_ewing

            Are you stupid, complicit, or fearful, albury?

          • Albury Smith

            I’m not the one swallowing 9/11 “truth movement” garbage, Scott.

          • scott_ewing

            Do you think that you should be blocked from this site for threatening me?

          • Albury Smith

            When did I threaten anyone here, Scott? I posted this:
            http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/09/911-truther-killed/
            because of my genuine concern for the safety of all 9/11 truther nuts. 🙂

          • scott_ewing

            Thanks – you don’t.

          • scott_ewing

            So are you going to answer those questions to debunkers in the doco or what?
            And how does threatening me make WTC7 fall any slower?

          • Albury Smith

            How does trying to divine the causes of building collapses by timing them make you look anything but incredibly stupid, Scott? Try it in front of an ASCE, NCSEA, SEI, or SEAoNY conference and let me know how it all works out for you.
            Ever wonder why Box Boy’s never spoken at one? I don’t.

          • scott_ewing

            So no answers to the questions, then? Just smears?

          • Albury Smith

            Yes, Scott; you’ve provided no answers to my questions.

          • scott_ewing

            You’re ignoring the questions in the New Pearl Harbor documentary because you can’t answer them 🙂

          • Albury Smith

            Answering them repeatedly is not ignoring them, Scott. Why won’t you answer mine?

          • scott_ewing

            You haven’t answered a single one.

            Let’s go from the top.

            September 11 A New Pearl Harbor-AE911Truth

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEkVsj88Xsg

          • Albury Smith

            How many of the FDNY quote mined for “explosion” in your grossly dishonest video claimed to have heard DEMOLITION explosiVES and linked the loud bangs they heard to a WTC hi-rise collapse? How many FDNY are 9/11 truther nuts?
            Once again, please ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • Albury Smith

            rpt: your video is total BS, Scott. I’ve already explained to you why torch-cut columns aren’t C/D evidence, and neither are the reports of “molten steel running down [STEEL] channel rails” and steel columns bent in half by the collapse, nor did John Gross or anyone else from NIST ever deny the possibility of molten steel in the debris fires:
            http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_faqs_082006.cfm (item #13)
            Did your magical stuff superheat three-story lengths of columns, morph into a high explosive whenever it suits you, and then keep steel molten for 100+ days?! What kept the channel from melting too? How many FDNY are in your 9/11 “truth movement”?
            Once again, why has no al Qaeda operative or any relative of one denied their 9/11 Planes Operation in the last 12+ years, despite the fact that AQ’s been under constant threat from the most powerful military in the world and is considered the perpetrator of the 9/11 and other suicide attacks by every government, intelligence agency, and legitimitate media source IN THE WORLD?

          • Albury Smith

            @everyone else

            Anyone curious to see why these wars in the M.E. keep happening can follow some of these peace-lovers here:
            http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/Wiesenthal-ranks-top-10-anti-Semites-Israel-haters
            An online search of the tolerant pacifists in that article will confirm the authenticity of it, although Scott will still dismiss it as Israeli “hasbera” [sic] and blame me for posting it.

          • scott_ewing

            Jpost? A rabid little rag if ever there was one.

            You do know that most semites speak Arabic don’t you ?

            ‘Anti-semite’ as a slur and a smear against people critical of zionist foreign policy – doesn’t work anymore, albury. You hasbrea guys got a lot of milage out of that one – the ‘anti-semite’ charge ruined a lot of careers in its time – but now its time to let it go.

            Also growing increasingly ineffective for you is that whole ‘zionists hiding behind “Jewish”‘ thing.

            Jews live all over the world, albury – and many of them find the warcrimes that the zionists are committing in Palestine (the ones that you attempt to justify online) just as morally repugnant as anyone else.

            Just so you are a bit clearer on the topic – the wars in the South West Asia keep happening due to all the Western meddling, invasions, and nasty, insidious Balkanization destabilization schemes.

            Additionally – the zionist state of israel has been steadily expanding its territory for decades – with forced house evictions, house demolitions, ongoing sustained brutality against Palestinians and illegal ‘settlement’ construction.

            The zionists are trying to blame the cause of the conflict on the palestinians they have been dispossessing for decades.

          • Albury Smith

            Why do you always attack the messenger, Scott? The JPost article doesn’t exist in a vacuum, so read about these Jew-hating bigots on other sources.
            I’d suggest looking up both “anti-Semitism” and “Zionism” too.

          • scott_ewing

            Does Palestinian foreign policy exist in a vacuum, albury?

            And stop trying to hide behind ‘jewish’ – it’s a tired and transparent zionist misdirection tactic

            Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnNDmPlycBw

          • Albury Smith

            The trick used by the creator of that video was to repeat the same clip 4 or 5 times to make one point last nearly 4 minutes, and only captioning the part of the late Shulamit Aloni’s comments that he wanted to quote mine and use for hasbara over and over. “Palestinian” foreign policy is primarily driven by Jew-hatred that’s existed in Muslim culture for centuries, so it’s hardly in a vacuum.
            Ms. Aloni would be in a distinct minority in Israel right now, where “87 percent of Jewish Israelis support continuing the Gaza operation…95 percent of Israeli Jews think the operation in Gaza is just, and 4 of 5 oppose a unilateral withdrawal. Just 4 percent said the Israeli military has used excessive force.”
            Source:
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israelis-support-netanyahu-and-gaza-war-despite-rising-deaths-on-both-sides/2014/07/29/0d562c44-1748-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html

          • Albury Smith

            @everyone else

            Anyone curious enough should ask Scott WHO secretly blew up WTC 7 and WHY. It’s impossible and there was no evidence for it, but does he even have an imaginary perp and a motive?

          • Albury Smith

            That’s both stupid and dishonest. The causes of building collapses are not divined by timing them, and you’re lying about the time. WTC 7’s EXTERIOR collapse took ~8.5 seconds (the top ~242′ or 18 stories were timed in 5.4 seconds), and the east end of the penthouse dropped ~6.9 seconds before the main parapet walls, so the interior was collapsing for at least that long before the EXTERIOR even began falling.
            Time it yourself from any video — you can’t see the bottom floors. 9/11 truther nuts suck.

          • Albury Smith

            Albury would prefer that you ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • Albury Smith

            Albury would prefer that you ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2100 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

          • scott_ewing

            September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor

            Part 3 is the best – as it deals with the demolitions

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

          • scott_ewing

            He can’t and he won’t – smith thinks that science is a popularity contest 🙂

  • Five Dancing Israelis – Our Purpose Was To Document The Event

    http://12160.info/photo/five-dancing-israelis-our-purpose-was-to-document-the-event

    911 could only be pulled off if we had corrupt mainstream media & corrupt judicial branch/courts.

    • Albury Smith

      The Israelis were asked what they were doing and said that they were documenting the event (as were countless other people). They did not say that their purpose was to do it. How, pray tell, do 5 guys on the ground aid 10 hijackers in the air, why would anyone be stupid enough to self-incriminate like that, and what motive does Israel have for SUICIDE attacking its most powerful ally?
      These people all thought the 9/11 Planes Operation was theirs, but they must not be as knowledgeable about it as you are:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW8_Zbsirdw
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVC4JBjtEE
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0
      From OBL’s 1998 (second) fatwa: “The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and
      unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God [blah, blah, blah…]'”

      • gav

        you relly cant think of a reason for israel to bomb there allie…they didnt but they did have motive…think lady think

        • Albury Smith

          No one bombed anyone on 9/11/2001, but what motive would Israel ever have for attacking its most powerful ally?

          • James Kingsbury

            The dancing Israelis had cameras pointing at the world trade center before the first plane even hit. They were working for “Urban Moving Systems” a front company for the Mossad. You should also check out the other Israelis who were stopped by police on the evening of 911 with a truckload full of explosives. Their goal was to blow up the George Washington Bridge. Israeli fingerprints are all over this. Israel benefited because 911 was used as a pretext to invade Iraq and remove Saddam. He posed a greater threat to Israel than any other Middle East leader at the time. The term “war on terror was” actually coined by Benjamin Netanyahu in the 1980’s. He has also stated that 911 was good for Israel on multiple occasions. The goal of the Likudniks in Israel is complete destabilization of the entire region so they can achieve military and economic hegemony over the middle east. By looking at what ISIS is doing in Iraq and Syria one can see that their plan is working.

          • Albury Smith

            If the so-called “dancing Israelis” have footage of AA 11 hitting the North Tower, then why haven’t we seen it? How did 5 Israeli guys on the ground aid 10 Arab Muslims on 2 hijacked planes in the air? Why would anyone have been stupid enough to self-incriminate like that? Why were they detained for weeks and then released? What NYC-area buildings have ever been blown up by Israelis? Why hasn’t al Qaeda denied its Planes Operation suicide attacks on the evil US infidel in the last 14 years?
            I’m looking at what ISIL is doing in Iraq and Syria, and see radical Islamists with no Israeli help or involvement.
            http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

          • James Kingsbury
          • James Kingsbury

            Bin Laden actually denied involvement in 911.

          • Albury Smith

            ONCE in 14+ years? Why has no other al Qaeda operative or relative of one EVER denied their 9/11/2001 Planes Operation suicide attacks on the evil US infidel?

          • Albury Smith

            September 28, 2001? Bin Laden conveniently denied his 9/11 Planes Operation ONCE while fleeing US airstrikes to (relative) safety across the border in Pakistan, and then bragged about it, praised his “martyrs” and Allah, and threatened “more
            Manhattans” if the US didn’t leave all Muslim lands immediately. Mullah Omar and his Taliban were protecting their al Qaeda guests, so he couldn’t take the chance of losing that support and protection he needed briefly before escaping at Tora Bora. NO other AQ operative or any relative of one has denied their 9/11 attacks in nearly 13 years, so please feel free to explain why.
            Every government, intelligence agency, and legitimate media source IN THE WORLD know that 9/11 was anOTHER al Qaeda SUICIDE attack on the US, but they’re all apparently not as smart as you are.

          • Albury Smith

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW8_Zbsirdw

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVC4JBjtEE

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0

            From OBL’s 1998 (second) fatwa: “The ruling to kill the Americans
            and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim
            who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order
            to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and
            in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and
            unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty
            God, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and
            ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail
            justice and faith in God [blah, blah, blah…]'”

          • Floridatexan
          • David S

            Not that I believe any of the alternative theories to 9/11, but here’s a simple answer to your question: Israel despises most of its Arab neighbors, and the theory goes, blame 9/11 on some rogue Arab terrorists (Al Quida, Iraq, Iran, whomever worships Allah), and if you’re Israel, you get the biggest military in the world taking out your enemies while you just sit back in silence…

  • paul

    There were 3 nations involved in pulling off 911. Don’t just concentrate on the easiest target. The saudi’s were just patsies. The israelis provided the men on the ground, and we supplied the know-how, and cover. Of course….whenever the israelis are blamed, some dirty things start happening to your computer. However the greatest crime was committed by traitors within our own government. Cheney being witnessed by Mineta calling off air support is obvious grounds for prosecution. But don’t count on that happening as long as the US government is controlled by the banksters. However until the traitors are prosecuted for murder, the US will continue being a rogue nation, regardless of how it views itself in snowwhite’s mirror .

    • Albury Smith

      Despite the ridiculous lies from David Ray Grifter and the 9/11 “truth movement,” Hamilton’s questions and Mineta’s testimony regarded ONLY a SHOOT-DOWN order from Deadeye:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfra6Xtsh9A
      Why on earth would the VP WANT a hijacked 757 to crash into the city where he lived and worked?

      • James Carlisle

        Listen to Mineta’s statement – Cheney had clearly given a NO SHOOT DOWN order before the plane was within 50 miles of Washington!! The suggestion that Cheney preferred to have the plane fly inot the Pentagon rather than being destroyed when 50 miles out is LUDICROUS>

        • Albury Smith

          Then why were both Hamilton and Mineta talking ONLY about a SHOOT-DOWN order during that entire ~4-minute conversation? There is nothing confusing or ambiguous in that video, and NORAD was not in position to shoot down either AA77 or UA93. Four armed fighters on standby at 2 AFBs within range of NYC and DC was as good as it got in 2001, and they couldn’t be everywhere at once.
          Read Touching History by Lynn Spencer if this is still puzzling you.

    • Albury Smith

      Al Qaeda’s not a nation, and was solely involved in pulling off their 9/11 Planes Operation.

      • Bev

        The following attempts to prevent WWIII:
        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/13/wtc7probe/

        New York’s new 9/11 probe could stop global holocaust
        by Kevin Barrett

        The Middle East is teetering on the brink of disaster.
        snip
        Fortunately many people are sacrificing their time, energy and money to try to stop that runaway train, the Armageddon Express. Perhaps the most important group working to change history for the better, at this moment, is NYCcan.org.

        NYCcan.org is heading for success in its efforts to force New York City to re-investigate the “collapse” of World Trade Center Building 7.
        snip
        The 9/11 Commission Report did not even mention the destruction of WTC-7 –the biggest and most important national security building in New York, and the site of the CIA’s second biggest headquarters after Langley, Virginia.
        snip
        NYCcan.org has found an ingenious way to force a new investigation of WTC-7. They
        are working to have New York voters enact the High Rise Safety Initiative, which would force the New York Department of Buildings to investigate the destruction of Building 7. And now that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth has acquired the blueprints for WTC-7, there is simple, straightforward slam-dunk proof that the US government agency NIST lied when it attributed the demolition of Building 7 to modest office fires.
        snip
        Removing the 9/11 criminals from power will lower the risk of global nuclear holocaust….

        No other issue has even remotely the kind of pro-peace leverage that 9/11 truth has. There is no other path of activism in which an individual’s contribution to peace, truth and justice can have this kind of potential impact.

        If you don’t make an effort to stop them, you are complicit. It really is that simple.

        Please go to NYCcan.org and contribute what you can. The survival of humanity depends on it.
        ………..

        http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2012/01/aa-exposes-bushs-big-lie-flight-11-did.html
        AA Exposes Bush’s ‘Big Lie’: Flight 11 DID NOT FLY on 911!
        by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy

        American Airlines is the source for information that AA Flights 11 (North Tower) and 77 (Pentagon) did not fly on 911. If neither flew on 911, the Bush ‘theory’ is a lie. If the Bush ‘theory’ is a lie, there remains only one explanation and that is: 911 was an inside job given a green-light by Bush himself. Moreover –only Pentagon employees were autopsied as a result of Flight 77 crashing the Pentagon. There are NO names of
        passengers on the list, which is, in fact, the only admissible evidence to survive Bush’s cover up and his obvious and felonious destruction of evidence (wreckage) at the Pentagon.

        These “holes” are fatal to the Bush government’s crumbling cover up! Conan Doyle, the brilliant creator of the character Sherlock Holmes, said:
        “When you have eliminated the impossible whatever remains however implausible must be the truth!”

        Bush’s official conspiracy theory of 911 is not only impossible, it is absurd and insulting to intelligent people!

        The Bush Conspiracy Theory is impossible; That’s why we know it is a lie!
        ………..

        Interesting Background on the airport that trained the so called 911 hijackers:
        http://www.madcowprod.com/2014/07/15/another-american-mystery-plane-busted/#more-6135

        Busted Again! Another American “Mystery Plane”
        Posted on July 15, 2014 by Daniel Hopsicker

        ………….

        http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2006/09/congress-is-powerless-to-absolve-bush.html

        Congress is powerless to absolve Bush of capital crimes and torture charges
        by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy

        ………….

        http://www.existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2011/07/road-trip-to-ground-zero-get-on-board.html

        Road Trip to Ground Zero: Get on Board
        by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy

        Anyone who would solve 911 must place the suspect at the scene of the crime.
        Candidates not having method, motive, and opportunity must be eliminated. That applies to Bushco’s scapegoats–some 14 Arab hijackers who cannot be placed (at) the scene of the crime, specifically NONE of them can be placed on any hijacked flight at any time! Until the BBC tracked down some of the alleged hijackers and interviewed them AFTER they were said to have died on 911, I might have been inclined to believe that they had not even existed. But–in any case–a living hijacker in a post-911 world disproves the Bush theory.

        ………….

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
        Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK

        Hijack ‘suspects’ alive and well

        A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago.

        Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

        The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

        Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

        His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

        Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

        He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

        He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed thesame Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

        But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

        Mistaken identity

        Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.

        Abdelaziz Al Omari ‘lost his passport in Denver’

        He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.

        Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.

        The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.

        Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.

        Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive

        He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.

        And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.

        FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

        • Albury Smith

          Kevin “Jihad” Barrett is a one-trick pony as well as being a serial liar. If it’s bad, da Joos did it. Al Qaeda did the 9/11 suicide attacks on the US, bragged about it, praised their “martyrs” and Allah, and threatened “more Manhattans” if the US didn’t get out of all Muslim lands immediately.
          You’re equally confused about fire-induced building collapses; secret explosive demolitions in NYC are a troofer fantasy.

          • gav

            you really are a conditioned american sheep it makes all us brits laugh when we read your comments…we know it was the pakis and the saudis…israel is the patsy here…lol

          • Albury Smith

            If you’re referring to al Qaeda’s 9/11/2001 Planes Operation suicide attacks on the evil US infidel, who did it is a settled matter.

      • Bev

        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/01/c-span-interviews-richard-gage-helps-blow-the-whistle-on-911/

        C-SPAN Helps Richard Gage Blow The Whistle on Criminal Coverup of 9/11.
        Friday, August 1st, 2014 | Posted by Harold Saive
        C-SPAN interviews Architect Richard Gage, Founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. .

        On Aug 1, 2014, Richard Gage, AIA and founder of AE911Truth.org was invited to bring evidence for the explosive demolition of the Twin Towers and Building 7 to C-SPAN’s Washington Journal segment, hosted by Peter Slen.

        Gage’s excellent 45-minute appearance essentially blew the whistle on the continued government coverup of the 9/11 false flag to a huge sophisticated audience of mainstream viewers.

        Gage explained that the 2,200 architects and engineers, petitioning for a valid investigation, are focused on the science of the event rather than pointing fingers. He encouraged viewers to visit the AE911Truth.org website and watch the landmark 2008 evidentiary video “Blueprint For Truth” that follows the scientific method with conclusive evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, for controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC, Bldg. 7.

        In 2008, a “Blueprint For Truth” DVD was forwarded to the FBI suggesting the evidence in Gage’s analysis is grounds for a new investigation. The FBI’s division of counterterrorism responded in writing that the evidence presented in the DVD is “…backed by thorough research and analysis.” (PDF)

        BLUEPRINT FOR TRUTH – Architecture of Destruction

        The more recent documentary – 9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out – includes testimony from architects, engineers and building professionals who ask questions that further highlight the government coverup of the events of 9/11.
        Richard Gage pleaded to the audience:
        “Every one of our C-SPAN viewers today should be calling their Congressmen and Senators and finding out why they’re not investigating the worst act of mass murder in U.S. history and the third-worst structural failure in modern history,” … “This is an extraordinary and unacceptable situation.”.

        Host Peter Slen admitted he had been placed under pressure to interview Gage by an extraordinary number of phone calls demanding the issue of 9/11 be covered by C-Span in their obligation to provide a public forum.

        Gage took the opportunity to explain how the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) had failed to address the many instances of forensic evidence that AE911Truth’s building and technical experts have published.

        Most impressive were the callers who overwhelmingly supported Richard Gage, the engineers with courage to petition for a new investigation and C-Span, for finally bringing this important issue of national security to mainstream public awareness.
        Gage’s appearance on C-Span, in addition to the upcoming High-Rise Safety Initiative in NYC to challenge the controlled demolition of building 7, are significant events that show the value of organized persistence.

        Gage made it clear to supporters that he is, “…quite encouraged to finally be treated in a fair and balanced manner in a mainstream media TV interview. I also appreciate Washington Journal’s commitment to providing a forum for all voices concerning the important issues that affect our country. When it comes to the controlled demolition evidence, the question is; how soon before other networks learn from C-SPAN’s example?”

    • verneoz

      Do you have documented proof of the scurrilous speculations you refer to? Documented defined as verification by third parties with no agendas. Keep in mind the poor record of the US government over the years to keep secrets secret with leakers and whistleblowers sprinkled throughout…this 9/11 conspiracy stuff has pitifully few of these do gooders.

  • awos

    It rather looks like insider job and false flag operation of US and Israel regimes. Seems that now they will want to push the blame on Saudis, perhaps as a prelude to US invasion of this country for oil.

  • Bev

    The following attempts to prevent WWIII:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/13/wtc7probe/
    New York’s new 9/11 probe could stop global holocaust
    by Kevin Barrett

    The Middle East is teetering on the brink of disaster.
    snip
    Fortunately many people are sacrificing their time, energy and money to try to stop that runaway train, the Armageddon Express. Perhaps the most important group working to change history for the better, at this moment, is NYCcan.org.

    NYCcan.org is heading for success in its efforts to force New York City to re-investigate the “collapse” of World Trade Center Building 7.
    snip
    The 9/11 Commission Report did not even mention the destruction of WTC-7 — the biggest and most important national security building in New York, and the site of the CIA’s second biggest headquarters after Langley, Virginia.
    snip
    NYCcan.org has found an ingenious way to force a new investigation of WTC-7. They are working to have New York voters enact the High Rise Safety Initiative, which would force the New York Department of Buildings to investigate the destruction of Building 7. And now that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth has acquired the blueprints for WTC-7, there is simple, straightforward slam-dunk proof that the US government agency NIST lied when it attributed the demolition of Building 7 to modest office fires.
    snip
    Removing the 9/11 criminals from power will lower the risk of global nuclear holocaust….

    No other issue has even remotely the kind of pro-peace leverage that 9/11 truth has. There is no other path of activism in which an individual’s contribution to peace, truth and justice can have this kind of potential impact.

    If you don’t make an effort to stop them, you are complicit. It really is that simple.

    Please go to NYCcan.org and contribute what you can. The survival of humanity depends on it.

    • Albury Smith

      The 9/11 Commission Report did not mention ANY NYC building damaged or destroyed in the 9/11 al Qaeda suicide attacks except the 2 that were targeted by the terrorists. Read NCSTAR 1A, 1-9, and 1-9A if you’re truly interested in why WTC 7 finally collapsed at ~5:21 PM. You could also ask some of these people:
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc
      Ever wonder why Richard “Box Boy” Gage has never taken his asinine dog-and-pony show to an FDNY firehouse or union hall? I don’t.

      • scott_ewing

        You really are on a smear mission aren’t you.

        Have you had a crack at answering any one of the questions to debunkers (you) in this documentary?

        September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor

        Part 3 is the best – as it deals with the demolitions that you are trying so hard to obfuscate other people about, albury.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

        It might be a better use of your time than enabling war crimes 24/7 online.

        • Albury Smith

          “New Pearl Harbor” is from the PNAC paper that you and David Ray Grifter have never read or are lying about. It says NOTHING whatsoever about WANTING or NEEDING one, and the AQ suicide attacks of 9/11/01 drew hundreds of billions of tax dollars AWAY from the high-tech weaponry the neocons were drooling over. They were still fighting the Cold War in the ’90s and up to 9/11, and were anticipating conventional wars with other superpowers, not quagmires in third-world hellholes like Afghanistan or Iraq.
          REAL explosive demolitions sound like this:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ
          They also leave evidence on the ends of the cut steel.

          • scott_ewing

            “They also leave evidence on the ends of the cut steel.”

            Yes they do – as seen in this documentary.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

            albury smith cannot answer the questions to debunkers in this documentary. And he won’t try to do so.

          • Albury Smith

            Hilarious. Are those OXYACETYLENE TORCH CUTS in your 9/11 troofer video supposed to be cutter charge signatures or incendiary melting? Ask Box Boy and his 9/11 crackpots to try either on one of these typical WTC core columns:
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png

          • scott_ewing

            Like I said – albury won’t try to answer the questions to debunkers in this documentary.

            albury smears, sneers and misdirects. That’s all he does.

            I was referring to the cuts in the wtc7 beams at 39.40 in the below documentary – not some random photo of beam ends.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

            I will take the conclusions of 2,000 architects and engineers over albury’s motivated 24/7 disinfo and misdirection any day of the week.

          • Albury Smith

            News flash, Scott: Explosives don’t leave any loose material around the cuts they make, and certainly not very friable gray slag that’s from NOTHING BUT oxyacetylene torches cutting steel.
            Why are no Local 40 & 361 ironworkers (who handled all of the WTC debris steel and had previously erected it) 9/11 truther nuts?

    • Albury Smith

      Kevin “Jihad” Barrett’s a one-trick pony: if it’s bad, da Joos did it. Here’s a prime example of “Jihad’s” honesty:
      http://www.shoah.org.uk/2014/06/15/unfreedom-tower-parachute-jump-for-911-truth-amazing-video/
      The three base jumps from the new (and unoccupied) Freedom Tower occurred on September 30, 2013 at ~3 AM. Great lighting for that hour, isn’t it?
      The man’s a walking virus.

  • PhillyGuard

    One clarification: HR 428, the bill introduced by Congressmen Jones and Lynch, would not actually declassify the 28 pages. It merely urges the President to declassify them. To read the text of the bill, learn about a little-known alternative route to declassifying and keep up with the growing movement to disclose what’s in the 28 pages, check out 28Pages.org

  • Almost Ghetto
    • Albury Smith

      You and the creator of that goofy Gish Gallop video don’t really want people to search Mineta’s testimony to Hamilton and the 9/11 Commission. They were discussing ONLY Deadeye’s unprecedented SHOOT-DOWN order:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfra6Xtsh9A

  • lazlodelarental

    The SEALS should bring back the Saudis, the whole family, and throw them from the top of the Chrysler building. Justice. And it would make for great TV.

    • Albury Smith

      The Saudi royal family’s corrupt and tyrannical, but they banished Osama bin Laden in 1992(?). Two SEAL bullets into him was too merciful; it’s too bad they couldn’t have lit him on fire and let him decide whether to burn to death or jump from the Chrysler Building.

    • Albury Smith

      The Saudi royal family’s corrupt and tyrannical, but they banished Osama bin Laden in 1992(?). Two SEAL bullets into him was too merciful; it’s too bad they couldn’t have lit him on fire and let him decide whether to burn to death or jump from the Chrysler Building.

  • scott_ewing

    This is the best doco I have yet seen on 9/11 – part 3 below deals with the demolitions – and contains several questions that the debunkers (and the likes of albury smith) are unable to answer.

    “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” – Full version (3/3)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

    • Jessica Dickerson

      Scott-ewing your attempts to educate Albury Smith is commendable, but clearly a waste of time and energy. He clearly has an agenda of keep Americans and the rest of world in the dark. There are two proven incidents prior to 9/11 of Israel attacking the US; USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair. As Jared Taylor says, resorting to name calling is simply an ungraceful way of admitting that you’ve lost the argument, which is clearly the case with Smith.

      • scott_ewing

        “He clearly has an agenda of keep Americans and the rest of world in the dark.”
        Yes, that’s pretty clear to me too.

  • Dave Eboch

    There was obvious Israeli involvement. They were filming the WTC two hours before the first plane hit the north tower. The main reason we are in the Mideast is because of Israel. Everything revolves around those jerks including 911.

    • Albury Smith

      If “they [the 5 RELEASED Israelis who had nothing at all to do with al Qaeda’s Planes Operation, and were only recording it on video like 1000s of others]were filming the WTC two hours before the first plane hit the north tower,” please post their videos of the two crashes. Videos of the first one are rare.

  • scott_ewing
  • scott_ewing

    September 11 A New Pearl Harbor~ AE911Truth

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEkVsj88Xsg

  • scott_ewing

    For a long time now, albury smith has been observed to glibly ridicule, ignore and dismiss without discussion any information that counters the official 9 11 myth – sneering and smearing all the while (‘box boy, etc).

    His best hope has been to try and shout down any such information by using tired text-based suppression techniques and spamming red-herring questions that are circular in nature that lead nowhere or require information that has been withheld and yet to be forthcoming from ‘official’ sources in order to answer.

    He demands that people believe that an over-engineered skyscraper can collapse quickly and symmetrically from small and asymmetric damage.

    30-Second Reel of Building 7 Collapse Footage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

    He constantly refer people to NIST’s ‘findings’ when people have now realized that NIST’s analysis has been found wanting.

    He is purposefully disingenuous, intellectually dishonest and – since 9 11 was used to justify aggressive wars of expansion – he systemically enables ongoing war crimes by working to keep the official lie alive in people’s heads with his practiced insincerity.

    He refuses to answer the many questions directed to 9 11 debunkers in the New Pearl documentary

    because they are an effective and incisive rebuttal

    to the posts he has been spamming the internet with – all day every day for many years.

  • scott_ewing

    For a long time now, albury smith been observed to glibly ridicule, ignore & dismiss without discussion any information that counters the official 9 11 myth – sneering and smearing all the while (‘box boy, etc).

    His best hope has been to try and shout down any such information by using tired text-based suppression techniques and spamming red-herring questions that are circular in nature, lead nowhere, ignore observable physics or require information that has been withheld and yet to be forthcoming from ‘official’ sources in order to answer.

    He demands that people believe that an over-engineered skyscraper can collapse quickly and symmetrically from small and asymmetric damage.

    30-Second Reel of Building 7 Collapse Footage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

    He constantly refer people to NIST’s ‘findings’ when people have now realized that NIST’s analysis has been found wanting.

    He is purposefully disingenuous, intellectually dishonest and – since 9 11 was used to justify aggressive wars of expansion – systemically enables ongoing war crimes by working to keep the official lie alive in people’s heads with his practiced insincerity.

    He refuses to address or answer the many questions to 9 11 debunkers in the New Pearl Harbor documentary

    because they are an effective and incisive rebuttal

    to the posts he has been spamming the internet with – all day every day for many years now.

  • oooBooo

    I learned from another article elsewhere what these senators had to go through to just read the document pages in question. That should get anyone thinking.

    “how can the government keep a secret?” That’s the age old question people use. Now you know. Not even your elected representatives are allowed to tell you and they don’t even if they are even allowed to know.

    But the better question yet is, who does the allowing of those of elected office to read a document in the first place? Wouldn’t these people then be above the elected?

    The elected government is largely on a need-to-know basis. That should tell us something.

  • Karl Pershing

    The only nation that benefited from 9/11 was Israel. It was a 21st century Israeli National Security Project. They have taken us Americans as fools and they are wining!

  • scott_ewing

    Best doco I’ve yet seen on the case for Controlled Demolition :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEkVsj88Xsg

  • Sally Francis

    9 years worth of scientific evidence and they still think we are stupid.

    Hijackers and planes did not bring down the twin towers and the 3rd building.

    Over 1500 scientists, structural engineers, architects, chemists, metallurgists, and demolitions experts have told us this.

    Many videos exist showing first responders telling of controlled demolition explosions and military thermite used to take down the structures.

    The buildings were brought down, and terrorists blamed, as an excuse to take more of our freedoms – in the guise of “national security”.

    The same BS was fabricated when Kennedy was assassinated.

    Same people, same agenda. Wake up sleeping people.