What REALLY Caused the Coup Against the Egyptian President

Egypt’s Support for Intervention in Syria Was the Straw that Broke the Camel’s Back

The protests in Egypt against president Mohammed Morsi were – according to the BBC – the largest in history.

The Egyptian military threw Morsi out in a coup today.

Why?

Irish Times reports:

Army concern about the way President Mohamed Morsi was governing Egypt reached tipping point when the head of state attended a rally packed with hardline fellow Islamists calling for holy war in Syria, military sources have said.

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Mr Morsi himself called for foreign intervention in Syria against Mr Assad, leading to a veiled rebuke from the army, which issued an apparently bland but sharp-edged statement the next day stressing that its only role was guarding Egypt’s borders.

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“The armed forces were very alarmed by the Syrian conference at a time the state was going through a major political crisis,” said one officer, whose comments reflected remarks made privately by other army staff. He was speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to talk to the media.

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For the army, the Syria rally had crossed “a national security red line” by encouraging Egyptians to fight abroad, risking creating a new generation of jihadists, said Yasser El-Shimy, analyst with the International Crisis Group.

At the heart of the military’s concern is the history of militant Islam in Egypt, homeland of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri. The military source condemned recent remarks made by “retired terrorists” allied to Mr Morsi, who has deepened his ties with the once-armed group al-Gamaa al-Islamiya.

Obama had recently sent American troops to prop up Mursi, and the protesters were furious at the U.S. for backing Islamic radicals.

(The U.S. backed Egypt’s previous dictator, as well).

Support of Western intervention in Syria was also one of the main causes of the recent enormous protests in Turkey … which came close to toppling the Turkish leadership.

Indeed, the American government has been providing arms, money and logistical support to Al Qaeda in Syria, Libya, Mali, Bosnia and other countries – and related Muslim terrorists in Chechnya, Iran, and many other countries.  So moderate Arabs all over the Middle East and North Africa are becoming furious at U.S. interventionist policies.

Note:  The coup is a set-back for the U.S. , because Egypt – unlike Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran – isn’t on the 20-year-old list of countries targeted for regime change.

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  • Eric Hodgdon

    Military coups are not a good idea. Someone suggested the USA have one. NO! The military must be under civilian control.

    • wunsacon

      >> if someone

      Which “someone”? Hmm…

      You know, I wonder whether our global plutocrats didn’t encourage Morsi to take certain unpopular steps — like announce support for intervention in Syria — simply in order to eventually get the military back in control — with POPULAR SUPPORT from the people. … They couldn’t have accomplished that on day one of the “Arab” “Spring”.

    • joe biglow

      The USA is now controlled by a tyrannical government. The military is in control of the NSA. I think our best bet here in the states is for a military coup. We have to take the chance and it certainly couldn’t end up any worst than doing nothing. We will soon be disarmed and a total police state will takes over.

      • Jö Miller

        Why not dissolve the military all together?

        • Undecider

          How would you go about doing that?

          • MikeW_CA

            I’ve heard at least one proposal for a new Church Committee, in reference to a Congressional investigation that was done during the 70s into excesses of the “intelligence community”. Ultimately, that came to little, but FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was passed as a result. That Act established the court that recently authorized the mass surveillance, so clearly, it needs to be revisited. Maybe we could make something like that happen, but it will take a lot of public pressure.

            My personal preference is that we should completely change out the membership of the intelligence oversight committees of both houses of Congress, since they have clearly lost their ability to exercise any oversight. With members having been on their committees as long as they have, classic “regulatory capture” has apparently taken place, in which those charged with regulating have come to identify more with the organizations they’re supposed to be regulating, than with the American People, on whose behalf they’re supposed to be regulating.

            I’ve written to my Senator, Dianne Feinstein, the Chairman of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. I will admit that was a waste of time. We will need to work with other senators and Congress members, such as Senators Wyden and Udall who are more disturbed by the abuses, and are more interested in reigning in such abuses.

            The most important thing is that we don’t just let it slide. Of course we want security, but we also want our constitutional liberties, and we don’t want wasteful spending.

        • MikeW_CA

          Again, not the solution. Nor would it help to dissolve the NSA. Both serve useful functions. The key is to make sure both stay integrated as part of a constitutional democratic republic. The only way to accomplish that is to make our opinions known to our elected leaders, even if the process by which they were elected is corrupt.

      • MikeW_CA

        Don’t be distracted. By the time “Second Amendment Remedies” are the best option, it’s too late. We are never going to protect our liberties with the arms we can buy at our local gun shops. Large-scale, individual engagement in the political process, no matter how corrupt it already is, is the only answer. There are a lot of good people in the military, but the military is not going to do our job for us. There are a lot of good people in government, too, but the only way to save our democracy is by participating in it.

        • Disappointed butnot Discourage

          I have been disgusted by the recent anti-second amendment actions by the government, but I know realize I have been wasting my frustrations because you couldn’t have said it better. We would be no match with gun store riffles and ammunition. We need to collaborate and exercise our constitutionally reserved right to the political process. Finding the right person to vote for is difficult with the media blanket provided by incumbent campaigns, but not impossible. It just takes a little research and effort, both which are worthwhile.

    • joe biglow

      The USA is now controlled by a tyrannical government. The military is in control of the NSA. I think our best bet here in the states is for a military coup. We have to take the chance and it certainly couldn’t end up any worst than doing nothing. We will soon be disarmed and a total police state will takes over.

  • wunsacon

    Check out these protestors signs:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/guest-post-egyptians-love-us-our-freedom

    Those signs are so media savvy!

    Think about this:

    - The coup leaders need the US to back them. But, Obama’s popularity has plummeted, in the US and globally. In turn, this makes me think of two things.

    - First, the coup leaders want to imprint in the minds of Egyptian *and* American people that “Morsi = Obama”. They’d want to do that even no matter whether Obama is, at this moment, helping Morsi *or* helping the Egyptian military.

    - Second, currently, again because of his popularity, if Obama is seen to spearhead help for the new coup, Americans will more likely oppose the coup. If, instead, the protesters shame Obama, Americans and the world will more likely support the coup. Indeed, we might see Republican leaders take the initiative to “sell” the coup to Americans/world and maybe even urge “action” against Morsi and any possible MB threats. (Justify more spying, too! … Anything can justify more spying!) ;-)

    So, like I said: these signs are clever! Double-plus clever!

  • jadan

    If only the American people had half the sense the Egyptians seem to have!

    The US “strategy of tension” in the ME is to promote the minority religious fanatics and use them to destabilize majority secularized Muslim societies. This was not possible under Saddam, so Bush had to invade Iraq, destroy civil society and the progress of several lifetimes, and stoke the fires of murderous religious fanaticism. The same thing is now happening in Syria, following on the successful destruction of Libyan civil society. The satanic ass holes in the US Gov can’t get away with another invasion so they need a proxy for the dirty work in Syria. They are cultivating dupes.

    But why? Pundits can’t seem to figure out why the US is supporting the enemy that blew up the WTC. It makes sense when you realize that “al Queda” and dear old Osama BL did not bring down the towers. That convenient fiction created a scapegoat of the Muslim world. And who benefits most from the castration of Islamic power?

    Israel.

    If Saddam had been left alone to pursue his pan-Arab ambition and unify Arab political will, Israel would not exist today, except as a heap of sanctimonious irradiated trash. That little bitch of a country leads the US around by its nose. The US seems to think it is so important to guarantee the survival and ascendency of this international illegitimacy that the sacrifice of Arab societies and Arab lives is a small price to pay.

    Religion is ugliness and brutality and it dominates the US Congress and the American people.

    • TLO

      You don’t know what the EVERLASTING COVENANT is do you? Look it up. All of Israel belongs to true Israelites for ever that is the everlasting covenant. It’s a real estate deal. David and Abraham paid cold hard cash (gold and silver) for that land, all of it. My friend understand Bible prophecy, the Bible itself is never wrong. True Israel is the only nation on earth God has ever called the “apple of his eye” he has sworn to protect her, watch this now, “for His name’s sake” and he will. Arab nations will form a mighty army against Israel one day and will be divinely defeated.

  • Conscience_of_a_conservative

    Wow, what planet are we on. This is so far off the mark, ignoring protests in the street, a president who was incapable of governing, growing violence, a failed economy, opposition being thrown in jail, the list goes on and on. The Army did what it had to do, after the President refused to listen to the country, and acted to restore order.

    • joe biglow

      Just like here in the good ole USA.

      • GeneralQuarters

        In the USA, we would not need the military to do what the Egyptian military did. Think about what I am saying and the reasons why our constitution is under attack. However, the parallels are rather striking when comparing the lawless regimes in DC and Cairo!

        • Undecider

          In a perfect world, yes. But thanks to the fluoridation and social engineering, most gun totting Americans will sit in their homes waiting to get raided and killed by SWAT teams.

          • GeneralQuarters

            Not true, do not underestimate the Americans that are in the know. Remember that it was only 3% that fought England 237 years ago. Things are out of balance because of one major denominator: The media!!! The checks and balances are eskew enabling a tyrannical government and keeping 50% of the electorate that thrive on sound bites dumb to facts.

          • fullyalive

            Yep! Even with Snowden they called in the mass-manipulating PR committees and the government directed media right away and see! The “beer and chip” loving (I do too sometimes!) sheeples are already thinking he was a traitor (sound bites alright!) because of that, and also because they think the spying must be good because it’s going on in many more places, we hear now. So much MORE important to stop it if it’s already world-wide, like our ability to bully nations into compliance with a lie (Snowden on plane.) Same will happen with our war-mongering. The president says so over and over; must be good.

        • MikeW_CA

          For now. Let’s hope that doesn’t change, but if things go “well” for the military coup in Egypt, who knows.

      • UnionLeague

        Dude, the US military votes 90% republican! Take your complaints up with the reps.

    • joe biglow

      Just like here in the good ole USA.

    • Virginia Pearson

      The same happenedin Chile in 1973. I was there.

  • Conscience_of_a_conservative

    Wow, what planet are we on. This is so far off the mark, ignoring protests in the street, a president who was incapable of governing, growing violence, a failed economy, opposition being thrown in jail, the list goes on and on. The Army did what it had to do, after the President refused to listen to the country, and acted to restore order.

  • wmartin46

    I would appreciate more documentation that the US is supporting Al Qaeda in various conflicts around the world. Simply asserting the claim is not the same as documenting it.

  • gozounlimited

    The FBIs Support for Intervention in Protests and Plot to Kill Occupy Leaders
    Is this the Straw that Breaks the Camel’s Back Here?….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6di07JjyrY4&feature=youtube_gdata

  • MikeW_CA

    Keep in mind, Senator John McCain wants the US to provide weapons to some decidedly non-moderate rebels for use against a non-moderate government in Syria.

  • andre

    Enjoying the comments.

    Fascinating isn’t it> seeing all these layers of players plying their lies, while it’s the actual, genuine, grassroots MASS movement in the streets which is cause the whole play to unfold.

    Here’s the way I see it:

    Two years ago the army stepped in to stop the revolution from going any further than Mubarak’s resignation. (If you’ll recall at the time… U.S.-puppet-in-waiting, Muhamed El baradei, practically DEMANDED the army intervene). They said they were going to “protect the revolution,” but instead they cleared the square and arrested 12,000 activists, (torturing and disappearing many).

    The days of SCAF were a dark time for the real revolutionaries, they remember it well.

    And, there was insufficient time for the grassroots to organize for elections, so the the best-organized of the mass-movement groups… the Muslim Brotherhood, won. (The Brotherhood was started by British intelligence and its leadership remains thoroughly infiltrated by NATO intelligence… who use the “Islamists” to keep the grassroots divided).

    Now the U.S.-Egyptian Elite can no longer use the Brotherhood, (thoroughly-discredited, after they did everything their NATO/IMF/SCAF bosses told them to) to keep the people down, so the military (SCAF) steps in to try and install the stooge bureaucrats and technocrats they wanted two years ago, who will paint a veneer of “democracy” to keep the prison bars in place.

    Read the establishment news reports thee days and see how many times they mention that bastards name, (again, Mohamed ElBaradei) as “opposition leader.” (It’s sickening, how these presstitutes just pick some feed from Reuters and regurgitate like they did some work).

    The National Salvation Front is a front for NATO/IMF interests.

    He’s a leader of nothing. He’s a paid parasite attaching himself to the real movement to give his ilk legitimacy. Watch him.

    I don’t think Morsi’s words on Syria had anything to do with the military coup. He was just doing what he was told to do, (by America) as he has done all year. The army-generals are just making themselves look good in the eyes of the people, (the size of the movement driving their words) just as Obama’s trying to make himself sound like a human-being by saying he’s concerned about “the coup.” (Clue: funding will continue).

    The Irish Times… regurgitating the official line… the army wants to project… “military sources said,” ha!

    But I’m concerned,

    now that they’ve arrested and broken up the Brotherhood’s leadership, the most organized section of the mass movement is no longer there. (At the grassroots-community level, the Brotherhood was doing a lot of good things, had some credibility and ability to mobilize against the cops).

    In other words, the people may be more-vulnerable to manipulation… intimidation, etc.

    I pray for the millions of Egyptians who just want to work and live and love in peace. I hope they have enough faith in themselves not to be fooled by the army again. (The Army commanders virtually own the economy, and are the real ground-zero for the disease called oppression in Egypt).

  • JustPlainKunta

    Wasn’t a what, was a who, Jon Stewart of course. (sarcasm)

    Just why can’t Amerikans reclaim their country from fascists?

  • Rob Ruitenberg

    jj

  • Mike Lashewitz

    Hooraaay for the military!!!!

  • mittelweg

    Our dumb bully-boy international ploys of the last 100 years have resulted in few friends and lots of pissed-off acquaintances we have ruthlessly betrayed and let down. We have also, at various times, betrayed our few remaining real friends but so far they are merely shaking their heads in sorrow – if they decide not to trust us again, we will be in the planetary doghouse. The only ones left nominally on our side will be totally untrustworthy.
    America’s chickens have come home to roost as hungry vultures. Be afraid.

  • darsign

    its so obvious morsi wanted to overthrow assad,as for evidence usa is arming alciada,that comes straight from obama/camerons mouth”arm the protesters/rebels”which are clearly waving alCIAda flags.

  • Virginia Pearson

    Exactly the same happened in Chile in 1973. I know because I haved lived here since 1964.

  • Mark T

    There is a legacy involved here that is almost never discussed. It has recently been explained for the first time in one place, in print, by the widely-ignored book “America’s Nazi Secret” by John Loftus. Western “intelligence” has been mixed up with Islamic radicals for a long time, and the some of the worst WW2 era war criminals not only escaped prosecution, they were absorbed into the U.S. security apparatus.

  • EJ

    Obviously Egyptians don’t entirely understand our foreign policy now, if they interpret it as favorable to Israel. But we clearly are not on the side of the people ANYWHERE in the world. Our leadership is the captive of the banksters, and completely supine before its intentions of world domination and radical population restriction, because their dream of world dictatorship cannot survive either freedom or the maintenance of population at any significant fraction of current levels.

 

 

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