NSA Whistleblower: NSA Spying On – and Blackmailing – Top Government Officials and Military Officers

Whistleblower Says Spy Agency Targeting Top American Leaders

NSA whistleblower Russel Tice – a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of warrantless wiretapping – tells Peter B. Collins:

Tice: Okay. They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people. They went after antiwar groups. They went after U.S. international–U.S. companies that that do international business, you know, business around the world. They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs that–like the Red Cross, people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few antiwar civil rights groups. So, you know, don’t tell me that there’s no abuse, because I’ve had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know, when I said to [former MSNBC show host Keith] Olbermann, I said, my particular thing is high tech and you know, what’s going on is the other thing, which is the dragnet. The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about, the terrestrial dragnet. Well my specialty is outer space. I deal with satellites, and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that’s how I found out about this.

Collins: Now Russ, the targeting of the people that you just mentioned, top military leaders, members of Congress, intelligence community leaders and the–oh, I’m sorry, it was intelligence committees, let me correct that–not intelligence community, and then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis, and the potential for massive blackmail.

Tice: Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before, that I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on. Now here’s the big one. I haven’t given you any names. This was is summer of 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with, with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator from Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It’s a big white house in Washington, DC. That’s who they went after. And that’s the president of the United States now.

(Tice gave additional details to PBS. Videos here.)

Other whistleblowers say the same thing.  When the former head of the NSA’s digital spying program – William Binney – disclosed the fact that the U.S. was spying on everyone in the U.S. and storing the data forever, and that the U.S. was quickly becoming a totalitarian state, the Feds tried to scare him into shutting up:

[Numerous] FBI officers held a gun to Binney’s head as he stepped naked from the shower. He watched with his wife and youngest son as the FBI ransacked their home. Later Binney was separated from the rest of his family, and FBI officials pressured him to implicate one of the other complainants in criminal activity. During the raid, Binney attempted to report to FBI officials the crimes he had witnessed at NSA, in particular the NSA’s violation of the constitutional rights of all Americans. However, the FBI wasn’t interested in these disclosures. Instead, FBI officials seized Binney’s private computer, which to this day has not been returned despite the fact that he has not been charged with a crime.

Other NSA whistleblowers have also been subjected to armed raids and criminal prosecution.

After high-level CIA officer John Kiriakou blew the whistle on illegal CIA torture, the government prosecuted him for espionage.

Even the head of the CIA was targeted with extra-constitutional spying and driven out of office.  Indeed, Binney makes it very clear that the government will use information gained from its all-pervasive spying program to frame anyone it doesn’t like.

(More examples here.)

Retired high-level CIA analyst Ray McGovern – the top CIA briefer to numerous presidents – said this a few weeks ago on a radio program:

Which leads to the question, why would [Obama] do all these things? Why would he be afraid for example, to take the drones away from the CIA? Well, I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s afraid. Number one, he’s afraid of what happened to Martin Luther King Jr. And I know from a good friend who was there when it happened, that at a small dinner with progressive supporters – after these progressive supporters were banging on Obama before the election, “Why don’t you do the things we thought you stood for?” Obama turned sharply and said, “Don’t you remember what happened to Martin Luther King Jr.?” That’s a quote, and that’s a very revealing quote.

McGovern also said:

In a speech on March 21, second-term Obama gave us a big clue regarding his concept of leadership – one that is marked primarily by political risk-avoidance and a penchant for “leading from behind”: “Speaking as a politician, I can promise you this: political leaders will not take risks if the people do not demand that they do. You must create the change that you want to see.”

John Kennedy was willing to take huge risks in reaching out to the USSR and ending the war in Vietnam. That willingness to take risks may have gotten him assassinated, as James Douglass argues in his masterful JFK and the Unspeakable.

Martin Luther King, Jr., also took great risks and met the same end. There is more than just surmise that this weighs heavily on Barack Obama’s mind. Last year, pressed by progressive donors at a dinner party to act more like the progressive they thought he was, Obama responded sharply, “Don’t you remember what happened to Dr. King?”

We’re agnostic about McGovern’s theory. We don’t know whether Obama is a total corrupt sell-out … or a chicken. We don’t think it matters … as the effect is the same.

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  • Carl_Herman

    You’re on fire with this powerful information, GW!

    Thank you for your leadership to explain and document the extent of criminality in US government and economics.

    Step-by-step, Brother.

  • gozounlimited

    Leading From Behind ….. an understatement…….

  • jadan

    Concerning Obama’s relationship with the CIA, it is in no way adversarial. Wayne Madsen’s informative (and self-published) book, The Manufacturing of a President, tells a very plausible story about a family’s membership in the Agency. His mother, Anne Dunham, was CIA via USAID, doing anthropological fieldwork in Indonesia that was an important part of the CIA’s coup against the not-sufficiently-capitalist Suharto in the war against Communism. Obama is the Company’s president. He has consistently protected the CIA from day one. Obama is CIA. His legend was created by CIA. Documents concerning his past and his family’s past have been systematically destroyed here and abroad. Ray McGovern is disingenuous. Why should anyone believe a CIA agent? One can check out of the Agency, but like the Hotel California, one can’t ever leave. Obama would never consider taking drones away from the CIA. Truth is, what’s good for the CIA is good the the USA, in Obama’s mind. If your own blessed mother were involved in the CIA, you’re likely to have very warm and fuzzy feelings for this monstrous cult.

    • cheetosareus

      None of that makes sense. Obama mother was a communist as was his grandparents. He was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a card carrying Communist. Obama is not CIA. He is nothing more than a slick poser.

      • jadan

        Wayne Madsen is an authority in this matter, one of the few journalists
        who have the qualifications to investigate this character, Obama. He is
        former naval intelligence and a former NSA analyst. Documentation exists
        to prove Obama’s parentage. Barrack Obama Sr went to the University of
        Hawaii on a CIA funded scholarship. He married Stanley Ann Dunham in
        1961. Frank Marshall Davis lived in Hawaii. He was 56 years old, but randy. It is not impossible that Ann Dunham could have been involved with Davis, but it was Obama she married, when 3 months pregnant. Obama Sr divorced her in 1964 after returning to Kenya. She then went on to marry an Indonesian military officer, named Soetoro, who was involved with CIA backed Suharto in the brutal coup against pro-Communist Sukarno. The right wing likes to depict Obama as a communist. God knows why! His mentors are all US war mongers & capitalists and everything he has done since taking office benefits this constituency. He is the Agency’s man in the WH. Richard Nixon was more “socialist” than Obama.

        • zerohedge

          I heard Madsen say his intel points to a Cuban national as O’s father. Anyway he’s not the one spreading the Marshall Davis diversion story claiming O looks just like him, which is a lie cause he looks just like his mother’s father.

          • jadan

            Obama, Sr, nominal father, belonged to the Kenyan tribal group, the Luo, according to Madsen. A sample of Obama’s DNA would reveal that tribal signature if his origin really is Kenyan. That would settle the matter, wouldn’t it?

        • reanimate

          Yeah but Madsen is one of those guys who sees a conspiracy everywhere. He also thinks the Boston bombing was a plot, Wikileaks was a U.S plot, etc.

          I don’t know why people feel the need to create this mysterious backstory for Obama. He could just as easily be a regular politician who was corrupted by the system like so many others.

        • batmanroxus

          BS. Obama dad is Frank Marshall Davis.

      • Frank_Sturgis

        If the CIA was sending someone to spy on Communists, wouldn’t the obvious cover be as a Communist? If they want to keep tabs on community organizers in Chicago etc. etc.

        • Trutherator

          That’s it! How could we miss it? Obama is only ACTING like a Communist, as a cover!

      • Matt Chapman
      • Judy Hayner

        What is “communist” about Obama’s actions? He’s appointed main-stream corporate
        honchos to almost every post in all federal departments. His financial advisors were straight Goldman-Sachs, Wall Street big-time players and influential figures, mostly proteges of Robert Rubin. He’s recently paid back some financial backers, Penny Pritzger for Commerce, and I forget the next one, but they paid their way into the job by contributing generously to his campaigns. How about – and NO ONE ever mentions this – Bush’s boy, neo-con John Brennan now heads up the CIA. Pretty right wing all of it., isn’t it? When you see it like that?

        Wall Street contributed MORE to his campaign than to McCain’s! They pulled back a bit, at least that we know of, for the 2nd election. Not sure why. They did really well in that 4 years. Obama’s out there making secret trade deals all over this planet, and who do you think those deals will benefit?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1189823406 Bonnie Dudley

          A Communist controls the banks and the MONEY. They may be anti private business but believe me, they are PRO MONEY. This banking relationship the libs point to to *prove* he is no Communist/Socialist is so dumb….

          • ErnestineBass

            So Capitalists are Communists?

            Who knew.

          • Trutherator

            Read the Communist Manifesto and ask yourself why Karl Marx included “central banks in EVERY country in the world” in the Communist Party platform? Why did a “proletarian” (haha) “revolutionary” (ha ha) want capitalist bankers, Wall Street type bankers, to take over the currency and hence the economy of every nation in the world?

          • ErnestineBass

            Do you not know the difference between a Central Bank that’s owned by the people and a Central bank that’s owned by private entities?

            North Dakota’s Central Bank is owned by the people of that state. THIS is the type of Central Bank advocated by Marx.

            The United States’ version of a Central Bank is the Federal Reserve, and it’s owned by a cabal of private individuals.

            You should probably avoid engaging in discussions about Marx’s work since it’s obvious you know next to nothing about it.

          • Trutherator

            Bass knows nothing about what I know about Marx’s work. His advocacy of central banks was most defnitely at that time associated with private banks. Just like in the USA, the trick is to make people think it’s not. Of course when they “nationalize” evrything, they hide the fact that it’s the same bankers that rule the roost as before.

            Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Most Americans think the Fed is a government agency, but of course it’s not. IT only “reports” to Congress but does as it darn well pleases, same as in Communist countries. Theory falls into the bottomless pit here when you try to figure it out. The bankers of the US traded with the Bolsheviks and all the currency transactions had to go through the banks on both sides.

            Marx’s Central Bank advocacy was to get a monopoly on the currency for the guys that financed him ($20,000 from the “League of Just Men for example). Trading with Armand Hammer (yep the baking soda guy)

          • ErnestineBass

            ROFLMFAO

            Goodgawd, you’re stupid! Church and Dwight, the company that produces Arm and Hammer baking soda, had already been in business for 31 years by the time Armand Hammer was born. Armand Hammer owned Occidental Petroleum, NOT Church and Dwight.
            Like I said, I feel sorry for your children.
            They’re being “homeschooled/indoctrinated” by a moron who’s too dense to Look. It. Up.

          • Trutherator

            True on that that. So it was a petroleum tycoon that did business with Stalin and Stalinists. German capitalists sent Lenin in to Moscow with a train load of gold, and the Kaisers and other American capitalists sent Trotsky with a boat load of gold to St. Petersburg, and they bought themselves the ultimate piece of real estate complete with millions of serfs and slavers, and they set up a “state-owned” central bank.

            It’s the same fiat currency slavery.

          • ErnestineBass

            Every American oil tycoon did business with Stalin – even Fred Koch, father of Charles and David.
            As to the remainder of your post – can you provide a credible link to back up that utterly nonsensical fascist rubbish?

          • Trutherator

            Ad hominems only prove you prefer an insult frenzy rather than discuss the history and the facts. That’s my point.. The Bolshevik takeover in Russia was completely financed by Western capitalists and bankers, Hitler’s national SOCIALISM was too, and Lenin’s and Stalinist Russia was kept afloat by Western bankers, as Warburg bragged about.

            Marxism and socialism is a cover story for a special clique of capitalists.

            Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

            Why did “Occupy” not protest the Fed? Why did Michael Moore say that the “Fed is not the problem”?

          • ErnestineBass

            So, once again, you cannot provide a credible link.

            Dismissed.

          • Cynthia

            Bass is right….you are pathetically uninformed about Marx and everything else you have opened your mouth about here. Marx advocated for a PUBLIC central banking system, where the people had control of their own currency. I bet you didn’t know we once had a system like that here in the U.S. Back to school with you, fictionator.

          • Trutherator

            You should probably avoid engaging in discussions about Marx’s work since it’s obvious that you know next to nothing about how to handle yourself when you’re right and I’m wrong. I looked it up and you’re right.

            Actually, it’s the same trap anyway, fiat currency. In the West they have to use private bankers. The Communist dictatorships merge the international bankers’ gild into their government. Obama’s working on setting that up here, he has given our own quasi-governmental central bank regulatory authority over much more territory than ever.

            The same cronies and friends benefit. Gorbachev, Yeltsin were never in any more danger than the worst that Krushchev got: a permanent vacation in one of their luxurious southern vacation villas.

            Of course Krushchev talked peace with Kennedy. And the Jesuit-educated boss man invoked God’s name against America at the United Nations before the whole world. That’s the closest thing to a cardinal sin you could get as part of the ruling councils in the Soviet Union.

            Manipulation of the fiat government currency is doomed to fail, like all government central planners that rule by force.

          • ErnestineBass

            Sorry…I’m not a fucking politician.

            Life is short. When I read or hear obvious bullshit, I’m compelled to address it.

          • Trutherator

            So call out the Fed and demand an audit. That’s BS. And if you think Marxism gives people control over a currency, that’s gullibility with none greater. The Marxist ruler of Zimbabwe comes to mind. Gaddafi made his dinar pegged to gold, straight up, and planned on sponsoring a pan-African currency to kick ass on all potlicians’ fiat currency.

            Marxist demagagues are the consummate politicians.

          • wunsacon

            >> So call out the Fed and demand an audit.

            A few pols (e.g., Ron Paul, Alan Grayson) really appeared to try. But, when the likes of CNN, FOX, etc. devote airtime to nonsense, viewers don’t change the channel, and plutocrats distract everyone with debates about abortion or — like so many of these discussions devolve into — debates about “communism vs capitalism”, our society forgoes taking *practical* steps like “auditing”. We can’t audit the Fed, can’t audit the Dept of War, etc.

            >> Manipulation of the fiat government currency is doomed to fail,

            I dislike it. But, it looks pretty “successful” so far, to its beneficiaries. Besides, gold and silver are fiat, too. Why must I pay taxes in gold/silver instead of with my collection of pet rocks? And what evil precious-metal fiat wrought! The Spanish Empire destroyed whole civilizations in order to obtain gold/silver.

            Humans will do what they do no matter what “currency” we use. Many previous civilizations used gold/silver as currency and practiced capitalism but “failed” anyway.

            Frankly, the “doomed to fail” phrase is overused and debatable. Lots of human activity is “doomed to fail”. Or isn’t. A lot depends on perspective.

          • Trutherator

            Who told you gold and silver were “fiat” and why did you believe him?

            Anyway, people should be able to use whatever they want to for currency, not held to servitude by a central bank that rules what it’s worth and manipulates it.

            Every fiat currency in history has failed. The German mark of the 1920s, the Zambian, the Romans turned their coins into fiat when they started diluting the silver content. Bag of holes.

          • wunsacon

            >> Who told you gold and silver were “fiat” and why did you believe him?

            No one told me “gold/silver are fiat”. I figured out the obvious for myself. Sometimes, seeing the obvious is the most difficult.

          • Trutherator

            I guess you don’t know the meaning of the word. Nobody decrees gold into existence, and after they got the dollar off the gold standard, the dollar is Federal Reserve “fiat” (because they said so):

            Fiat: an authoritative decree, sanction, or order: a royal fiat. Synonyms: authorization, directive, ruling,mandate, diktat, ukase.
            2.
            a fixed form of words containing the word fiat, by which a person in authority gives sanction, orauthorization.
            3.
            an arbitrary decree or pronouncement, especially by a person or group of persons having absoluteauthority to enforce it: The king ruled by fiat

          • JP

            I think you don’t understand what a capitalist really is. You need to use a definition not provided by marxists.

            Now if you were going to transition from capitalism to communism (peacefully and quietly) don’t you think it would look a lot like the US looks today?

          • ErnestineBass

            No.

          • wunsacon

            >> Now if you were going to transition from capitalism to communism
            (peacefully and quietly) don’t you think it would look a lot like the US
            looks today?

            I wonder but am certainly not sure that anything in our economy is “transitioning”. I’m not sure the choice of “centralized vs de-centralized planning and control” matters as much as practical matters like “how much do we allow individuals to corrupt the process?” Corruption has always been a part of capitalism. And of socialism. Both models “fail” from the perspective of people not sharing in the corruption or not sharing in the (often state-financed) technological gains as much as they’d like.

            And no society yet has learned to live in an ecological steady-state or to avoid warring with neighbors over resources. We pretty much all suck, from the perspective of any mainstream moral code.

            So, I’m not sure humans can solve their perceived problems. I wonder how well our “artificially” intelligent successors will fare. Will Greenspan-bot hand out credit to his cronies during the financial crisis of 2103?? ;-)

      • Trutherator

        They all are slick posers, starting with Karl Marx, who wanted central banks to run the economy in every nation in the world. Central banks like the Federal Reserve, Wall Street cronies, or vice versa, a clique of some of the richest that ruin us with price inflation (devaluation of your savings) and interest rate price fixing. A monopoly over your currency. Who needs corporations if you can just one “non-profit” government with vacations and vacation homes anywhere you want?

        It’s not left/right that matters. What matters if tyranny vs. freedom. Concentration of power and groupthink vs. individual freedom.

        • FarmerJones

          Are you guys here former or current inmates of the federal mental hospitals?

          • Trutherator

            Nah, those guys got elected to the White House and Congress in 2012…

            Karl Marx runs the madhouse. Check the Communist Manifesto. Central bank in all nations.

          • ErnestineBass

            ROFL

            Methinks the institution needs to double down on Trutherator’s meds.

          • Trutherator

            Like Brandon Laub? Sent to mental institution for Facebook statements without process? Good Soviet tricks. I say get off your drugs..

          • ErnestineBass

            LOL

      • FarmerJones

        Communists never carried membership cards, if they did it would make them an easy target for government agents like you. His mother actually belonged to a secret society or an organization if you like it. It was called Poor Single Mothers Determined to Raise Their Children Into Successful Individuals Despite Racism. Rather long name!

    • batmanroxus

      No, obama has waged war on the CIA, murdering on several occasions. Benghazi was about trowing CIA to the wolves. He intentionally tried to kill all of those present, he has leaked info that have gotten seal teams killed. If the CIA is close to obama, we are in deeper trouble than any of us thought. I am surprised they have allowed him to live this long… well surprised and disappointing:)

  • davidmcsf

    This has MOSSAD just like 9/11 all over it. Zionism the downfall of the west. We are already on our knees.

    • usa_christian_nation

      Salvation through Jesus the Annointed came to the Jew first then to the Greek (the world). We had better be on our knees for every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus the Annointed is Lord. You, sir, are nothing but a bigot. God will judge each according to how they treat Israel in thought, word and deed.

      • erisx

        hare krishna the return of the great one in the form of maitreya is nearly upon us. repent all sin and prostrate yourself in order to receive His grace. namah shivaya.

      • beaglebailey

        What a load of bunk!
        Why should the World treat Israel as anything other then a terrorist State?
        Yes, the Jews went thru something heinous, but instead of learning compassion, they have built a prison in Palestine and murder many innocent civilians.
        Including the 3,000 on 9/11.
        Search for ‘dancing Israelis’ and find out how they rejoiced when the towers came down.
        You are basing your comment on a BS book that was written by men.
        The Christian Nation, USA, is anything but Christian.
        It has murdered more then 20 million people since the end of WW2.
        If Christ came back today with His message and took everyone to task for their sins, they would murder Him again.
        Where to YOU stand on US imperialism and all the wars and murder the US does?

        • davidmcsf

          And don’t forget the real holocaust that the Bolshevik Jews did. They murdered 40 million Russian Christians. They did the most barbaric things even making movies like Saw or Texas Chainsaw Massacre look like a Disney movie. NY Times had reports at the time that would make women faint. Eye witnesses to what they did to Men Women and children in their churches. They even had one torture scheme called ‘communion’. But they don’t allow that on tv. That fact is antisemitic and since Zionists own the media or will destroy you with name calling it is like forgotten in the sands of time. If the world read the Talmud they would be disgusted by its teachings. I’ve read the whole thing and it’s more frightening than a blockbuster horror movie.

      • davidmcsf

        You are in denial. Here in SF the AT&T spy box was installed by an Israeli security firm. Israel spies the world by installing and/plot running security systems just like the airports in 9/11. They spy and blackmail. They got stuff on every one of our politicians. If you want to call me a bigot then go ahead. Tell me what it makes you to stand by a nation that uses children as shields, keeps people in an open prison whilst living on their land, warmongers with everyone. And you being a Christian aren’t aware of the blaspheming and mockery they do on their tv of your Christ? They deplore you. They laugh at you and your beliefs. Go visit. Some will throw stones at you for your beliefs. You need to know the truth about what you opine about. And a bigot I am not. My boyfriend happens to be Jewish and he will tell you that Israel will cause the next holocaust because of their actions. How dare you call me a bigot. That wont change the facts and I’ll take a bigot accusation over drowning in terptitude like you and your kin. How dare you.

      • davidmcsf

        And another thing – if you condone the actions of Israel because they are a part of the narrative that is your holocaust – that makes you an accomplice to their disgusting policy. Shame on you. Most Zionists aren’t even Jewish but you would know that if you didn’t just believe in propaganda and lies. And didnt Jesus say in a synogogue that the Jews present were not Jews that they only call themselves Jews but were in fact the Synogogue of Satan. Do you even believe your own prophet-oh that’s right you cherry pick based on your own personal philosophy. Once again I ask what the hell does that make you?

      • tonybinca

        “Israel” is made up of Kharazarian, AshkeNAZI impostors. There is no Israel, there is only a worldwide crime syndicate that calls itself Israel. The jews were scattered through the world because the never obeyed God, according to their own book of mythes. There are no eternal promises to Israel unless they obey God, which they have never done. Take your golden calf and get out of town.

  • bob

    Piss on the nsa and ophucker…

    • Jay R.

      Finally a comment that make sense.

      • Jay R.

        makes

      • wunsacon

        LOL. Thanks for interjecting some levity.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    blackmailed Bush Obama …
    compromised Puppet Presidents

    • SickOfTheStupid

      Obama was not blackmailed he was manufactured specifically for the job he is now doing……………a classic Manchurian candidate out to destroy us all.

  • ajmacdonaldjr

    The question is: Why is all of this coming out? What’s the agenda?

    • Victor Lar

      Agenda: How and when the US became a nazi state

    • Cloudchopper

      Times are changing. The politicians, the media and the corporations are trying very hard to suppress most of it, calling it treason, hurting our security, helping the enemy etc. People are protesting all over the world. We are little slow on the uptake here, because we have Kim Kardashian and her baby, Sarah Palin’s new wisdom, football players murdering people and other such juicy news.

    • davidmcsf

      Mossad via Proxy NSA to blackmail and destroy the US while using us to further the Zionist agenda. They have brainwashed Christians to protect them and support them as well through the Christian belief of Armageddon. Zionist (not jews) are modern day equivalent of what the Christians would call Satan if he hadn’t tricked them into their own demise. It’s all pretty effed up but that is the dammed truth.

    • SteveO

      Well once its commonly accepted knowledge (and fully legalized) that anything you say or do is being watched and recorded….

      Id say they can make up whatever they want about you and you will have to try to prove its BS, and you wont be able to…

  • Mark Brander

    Read the Obama prophecies of Linda Newkirk and PastorTD Hale, put dots between the words.

    obamaprophecy blog com

  • Justin Flontek

    So where are all the NRA and militia members? Don’t you guys have guns to stand up against corrupt governments?

    • SickOfTheStupid

      we do but timing is everything…………………………….we can not act with out the full support of the people to do so we would be crushed like OWS and that would leave you folks defenseless.

      No we are bidding our time and waiting for the right moment , then it is on like donkey kong.

      • Justin Flontek

        You wait too much longer and you’re not going to be able to communicate and thus no ability to organize.

        • SickOfTheStupid

          LOL secure communications have never been a issue for those aware of the risks involved…………..

  • stevor

    So, who runs the NSA? What is their AGENDA?

    • jeff zacher

      I’d say follow the money, but it is all secret, ain’t it?

    • davidmcsf

      MOSSAD

      • stevor

        you may be right but the banksters were creating the Federal Reserve (and other “central banks”) to finance the rulers back in 1913 and Israel didn’t exist (though the Zionists were aplenty)

  • PlayboyBud

    Cray and the NSA: Seattle Supercomputers Help Spy Agency Mine Your Megadata

    http://www.seattleweekly.com/home/947376-129/cray-nsa-bamford-data-seattle-agency

  • Bill

    the piece of trash in the white house has now fully abused this power, what did anyone expect of the the far left extremist Marxists in the whacked out democratic Nazi party. you people have got to be kidding me. once the lunatic dems took control of the executive branch, this was their wet dream come true. and dont forget you uneducated voters who elected these perverts in because of you next freebie. their are over seventy names of senators and congressman who have signed their names as being officially communists/socialists radicals sitting in out both houses, the majority of them are liberal white whack jobs, the next is the racists black caucus, then finally the racist Hispanic Caucus. their you go , why dont you jerks in the nsa and cia give the names up of all our leaders whom you all know are traitor including yourselves or do we have to force it of you creeps. you are all scumbag traitors the entire lot and we will shut all of you down and your departments., its coming lads, get out now while you still have a head on your shoulders, be we will come for you via our elected reps. they will be forced to shut your vile operations b y which you abused it by the way of the megalomaniac black man in the white house.

    • techno_polyglot

      As a licensed mental health professional I believe you are unfit to purchase weapons. You are clearly mentally unstable, delusional, and on the verge of homicidal rage. Please report to the nearest mental health facility for a thorough evaluation.

  • Rusty Mason

    Obama is not a sell-out or a chicken, he never had any sense or scruples to begin with.

  • Dimitri Ledkovsky

    Duh. Is somebody amazed and surprised? In the olden days it was called “palace intrigue”. Too much of the wrong kind of intrigue and heads would roll. Today it’s called the totalitarian state. No need to read Machiavelli or Mein Kampf. It comes with the territory overtaken by sociopaths and psychos.

  • mlnw

    Well, Manning, Snowden, Tice, Binney, Drake, et al with their disclosures have taken more risks than the President or any others in the Administration, Congress or the Judiciary. What does that say?

  • Rob Meier

    Some of these posts are so stupid. Mossad, duh. Anybody who knows anything about the NSA, they know that they have policies specifically designed to weed out Mossad within its org.

  • coleenrowley

    This was always the real danger of the massive dragnet “total information awareness” type surveillance. If there are no filters or distinctions made between spying on ordinary Americans “who have nothing to hide” and congresspersons, judges, NGO officials, military officials, agency heads, etc. (those with some power and who often do have much to hide) this tips the balance of power built into the Constitution in favor of the group and the branch who’s collecting the information because information is power. J. Edgar Hoover was just one of many historical figures who gained power over government officials through his spying and collection of information (and selectively handing it over to HUAC).

    Snowden however, has indicated in one of his responses that some kind of filter may have been put on the NSA surveillance to shield Congress members — that may have happened, I’m guessing, in the 2007-2008 period when the Bush Admin was pressuring Congress to approve its warrantless surveillance program and give immunity to the telecoms. It seems inconceivable to me that none of the smarter congresspersons would not have realized this danger, that they would themselves be targeted, and consequently demanded that some kind of mechanism be put in to shield themselves from surveillance. (I actually warned our MN Sen Amy Klobuchar about this when she voted for the first “emergency” extension of Bush’s warrantless monitoring in August 2007 when they all caved the first time. It was like a midnight vote before recess and they were pressured that a terrorist act could occur unless they gave Bush the authority to continue his illegal monitoring so Klobuchar and most of the others caved.)

    • jadan

      Are they really that stupid, that you have to warn them that they may be surveillance targets? The herd psychology of the Congress is utterly contemptible. There they were standing together on the capital steps singing a goddam patriotic song, and nary a one of them gave a passing thought to the physical laws that govern our universe and how what they thought they saw could not have possibly happened in the way it appeared to.

      • coleenrowley

        Well, when this first vote occurred to make Bush’s illegal monitoring legal–in August of 2007 (this first vote was just for temporary authority until they drafted up the FISA Amendments Act and immunity for telecoms), I don’t think most of the Senators did consider they could be targeted. Here’s what I wrote about Klobuchar’s hypocrisy in caving to the fearmongering and threats: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-rowley/i-dont-know-if-orwell-eve_b_59380.html

        • jadan

          Read your commentary on Ms. Klobuchar. They must be subjected to some hair raising briefings when they enter the hallowed halls. What don’t we the people know that drives our representatives to vote for self-destructive policies?

  • Ben

    sorry, all the comments didnt load before my first post….didnt know that, Obama is a rat from the sewers, communist born…..parents and grandparents communist….let’s give him a shot we said…….now look….freedoms depleting left and right………and the saddest part, And then lifts the cuban restriction??? You know what’s worse? i tried to join the Army, Navy, Marines, and Airfore…..Airforce said I was too old. I was 30, said their cut-off age limit was 27. The other 3 Branches said “Well your a single father!!” My reply, “Ok, so!!” They all say the same shit, “Well you would have to give custody of your child to someone else, and then at some point you will have to lie your ass off about the whole thing!!” I swear on my bibles, that was their excat words to me…..”GIVE UP YOUR KID, AND LIE YOUR ASS OFF”….now, what kind of leadership is that????

  • Ben

    i don’t think my first post came through…hmmm!! oh well, re-post: FUCK the NSA let’em spy on that…….u can post all the bitchin complaints u want. but there is nothing (short of TOTAL ANARCHY) that will stop the government from abusing their power. They have been slowly stripping our rights away from us little by little over the years, and feeding us the line of shit “It’s for our safety and protection”…..when in reality it’s their form of control. And it won’t be long b4 a lot more of our freedom is stripped away….the world is going to hell in a hand basket, and the sons-of-bitches in power are sittin’ high at the top….If you ask me it’s our leaders who are the fu*kin terrorist. They not only force their views and opinions and beliefs on the world, now they are diminishing the freedoms of the AMERICAN people. Our government is no fu*king exception, they are not leadfing by example. They are dominating by secrecy, lies & hidden agenda’s. I’m 100% American, and like most enjoyed my freedoms, for the most part. But soon, the American population continues to refuse to stand up for their constitutional rights……..there will be no rights, no freedom left. Maybe we should take a page out of the movie “Eagle Eye”……when the rights and liberties of the American people (that are protected by the U.S. Constitution, are being jeopardized) replace those in power…..I’m not saying kill everyone like the movie portrayed…..I am however stating the fact – “It is the duty of every American to protect their freedom as given to us by our founding fathers. And if we wish to keep what rights and freedom we have left, before they start passing more laws, ratifying, vetoing, abolishing…..i suggest the American people really become “UNITED”!!!!!!! Stand up together, as one – One Force, one race, one color, one true nation, one united voice……and protect our freedoms. Stop letting the government frighten you, stand up…stop letting them strip our freedoms, stand up….stop letting them say it’s to protect us, while at the same time they force their worldly views overseas and at home – stand up!!! 9/11, we , we had a reason to go kick ass………everything after, nothing more than a power battle….a war to create wars…..ladies and gentlemen, you really wanna stop the nsa and stop the government from stripping away the rest of our freedoms??? “STAND UP NOW BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE”……….or just move to Afghanistan…..that’s the direction we are headed anyway. Only difference, Americans know how to be sneaky about their bullshit….Open your eyes, before it’s too late folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dquandle

    Obama is a vicious criminal, not chicken. He wants power and the ability to abuse it.

  • yankee phil

    Dear NSA, since all things communicated are monitored by you it would be impolite not to direct this message to you. The NSA was taken over in the late 50’s by paperclip scientists at Nasa. Using microwave and millimeterwave bio-communications technologies they began to bully and blackmail important americans towards their cause. Being able to monitor thought and modify it using brainwashing hypnotic techniques they were able to master control over all american intelligence and law enforcement agencies, including the justice department. But it didn’t stop there, they also control the american medical association and the Universities sponcered by the rockefeller and J.P Morgen trusts. Thought control as implemented through the MK Ultra program involving the NSA/CIA/Airforce troika has made a wall of silence only scaled by the brave americans willing to forego sleep and sacrifice loved ones for the sake of america’s freedom and decency. The council of three hundred runs the nazi’s behind thias power and they are the royal families of europe and their banking partners . Don’t blame Obama for america, get the criminals that are running intelligence and put them where they belong. But first you must learn and expose the microwave and millimeter wave Bio-communications technology . They use this technology also to make islamists suicidal,thinking God is instructing them to holy jihad. Good luck with that you poor bastards. Snowden may have the technologies and how they’re implemented.

  • Peter Lang

    how completely unsurprising! the government is composed of pathological liars? just talk to a surviving member of the Sioux for confirmation of that shocker! also the new lie that they don’t record your voice phone calls except for metadata? well they ADMITTED they record your email details so why would they stop at voice calls?? a sense of ethics? ha ha ha ha!

  • Shell Lavender

    WOW! Just wow.

    • Jim Osborne

      I agree. Wow. What in the hell kind of government are we running?

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  • Steve Minor

    Take the NSA down. Dismantle it from top to bottom.
    You snoop on innocent Americans, it’s illegal.
    They haven’t caught any terrorists anyway and the ones they claim to is nothing but a lie.
    Now our Supreme Court Justices, Congressmen and Military leader are being spied upon,,,,,,
    Take it down………………
    An American

  • Steve Minor

    Take the NSA down. Dismantle it from top to bottom.
    You snoop on innocent Americans, it’s illegal.
    They haven’t caught any terrorists anyway and the ones they claim to is nothing but a lie.
    Now our Supreme Court Justices, Congressmen and Military leader are being spied upon,,,,,,
    Take it down………………
    An American

  • Jim Osborne

    Does this have anything to do with chaos theory?

  • Jim Osborne

    Does this have anything to do with chaos theory?

  • american patriot

    That is why repubs can’t go against obama. Dems and repubs have too many skeletons in their closet….obama can bypass congress. See why now. Clear all dems and repubs out…massive civil war coming and it will not be us to fire first shot. No one wants to impeach our first black president total race war would ensue….post office and suds now armed. Militarized police. Etc. Bring it on u funny n traitors……we are not afraid …guns not issue. Feel no empathy for directors son or him. He was never there for him. Rich fun brat. Addicted to demonic video games….he was gay and conflicted. Come and get our guns all these killers are on uptake ssri s. Law abiding citizens will never give up our guns …way too many of us. Tired of Marxist obama. And I am not racist. I AM BLACK

  • kerry

    So this is why the courts always rule in favor of Monsanto, abusive police & polluting corporations. This is why we’re always at war, why our debt is $17.5T, why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world and for-profit prisons, why our police have MRAPs, why politicians want our guns and why democrats are voting to suspend the first amendment. I think it’s pretty much over for Amerika.

 

 

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