Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil

Terrorism Is a Real Threat … But the Threat to the U.S. from Muslim Terrorists Has Been Exaggerated

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.

Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate):

Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI DatabaseTerrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%).  These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.  These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels “Extreme Left Wing Groups” and “Communists”, but not “Extreme Right Wing Groups” or “Fascists”. It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum.  In addition, “Latinos” is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like.  However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)

U.S. News and World Report noted in February of this year:

Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. The Muslim-American suspects or perpetrators in these or other attempted attacks fit no demographic profile—only 51 of more than 200 are of Arabic ethnicity. In 2012, all but one of the nine Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered were halted in early stages. That one, an attempted bombing of a Social Security office in Arizona, caused no casualties.

Wired reported the same month:

Since 9/11, [Charles Kurzman, Professor of Sociology at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, writing for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and National Security] and his team tallies, 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism launched by their Muslim neighbors. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America’s attention killed 66 Americans, “twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11,” notes Kurzman’s team.

Law enforcement, including “informants and undercover agents,” were involved in “almost all of the Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered in 2012,” the Triangle team finds. That’s in keeping with the FBI’s recent practice of using undercover or double agents to encourage would-be terrorists to act on their violent desires and arresting them when they do — a practice critics say comes perilously close to entrapment. A difference in 2012 observed by Triangle: with the exception of the Arizona attack, all the alleged plots involving U.S. Muslims were “discovered and disrupted at an early stage,” while in the past three years, law enforcement often observed the incubating terror initiatives “after weapons or explosives had already been gathered.”

The sample of Muslim Americans turning to terror is “vanishingly small,” Kurzman tells Danger Room. Measuring the U.S. Muslim population is a famously inexact science, since census data don’t track religion, but rather “country of origin,” which researchers attempt to use as a proxy. There are somewhere between 1.7 million and seven million American Muslims, by most estimates, and Kurzman says he operates off a model that presumes the lower end, a bit over 2 million. That’s less a rate of involvement in terrorism of less than 10 per million, down from a 2003 high of 40 per million, as detailed in the chart above.

Yet the scrutiny by law enforcement and homeland security on American Muslims has not similarly abated. The FBI tracks “geomaps” of areas where Muslims live and work, regardless of their involvement in any crime. The Patriot Act and other post-9/11 restrictions on government surveillance remain in place. The Department of Homeland Security just celebrated its 10th anniversary. In 2011, President Obama ordered the entire federal national-security apparatus to get rid of counterterrorism training material that instructed agents to focus on Islam itself, rather than specific terrorist groups.

Kurzman doesn’t deny that law enforcement plays a role in disrupting and deterring homegrown U.S. Muslim terrorism. His research holds it out as a possible explanation for the decline. But he remains surprised by the disconnect between the scale of the terrorism problem and the scale — and expense — of the government’s response.

“Until public opinion starts to recognize the scale of the problem has been lower than we feared, my sense is that public officials are not going to change their policies,” Kurzman says. “Counterterrorism policies have involved surveillance — not just of Muslim-Americans, but of all Americans, and the fear of terrorism has justified intrusions on American privacy and civil liberties all over the internet and other aspects of our lives. I think the implications here are not just for how we treat a religious minority in the U.S., but also how we treat the rights & liberties of everyone.”

We agree. And so do most Americans. Indeed – as we’ve previously documented – you’re more likely to die from brain-eating parasites, alcoholism, obesity, medical errors, risky sexual behavior or just about anything other than terrorism.

Kurzman told the Young Turks in February that Islamic terrorism “doesn’t even count for 1 percent” of the 180,000 murders in the US since 9/11.

While the Boston marathon bombings were horrific, a top terrorism expert says that the Boston attack was more like Columbine than 9/11, and that the bombers are “murderers not terrorists”.  The overwhelming majority of mass shootings were by non-Muslims.  (This is true in Europe, as well as in the U.S.)

However you classify them – murder or terrorism – the Boston bombings occurred after all of the statistical analysis set forth above. Moreover, different groups have different agendas about how to classify the perpetrators  (For example, liberal Mother Jones and conservative Breitbart disagree on how many of the perpetrators of terror attacks can  properly be classified as right wing extremists.)

So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.

(We determined that approximately 118 of the terror attacks – or 4.9% – were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States.  In addition, there were approximately 168 attacks – or 7% – by anti-abortion activists, who tend to be Christian. Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional  – a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization –  carried out more than 120 bomb attacks on U.S. targets between 1974 and 1983, and there were some 41 attacks by Cuban exiles, and a number of attacks by other Latin American groups. If we look at worldwide attacks – instead of just attacks on U.S. soil – Sunni Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.  However: 1. Muslims are also the main victims of terror attacks worldwide; and 2. the U.S. backs the most radical types of Sunnis over more moderate Muslims and Arab secularists.)

Moreover, another study undertaken by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism – called “Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism in the United States” – found:

Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing.

Preliminary findings from PPT-US data between 1970 and 2011 also illustrate a distinct shift in the dominant ideologies of these terrorist groups over time, with the proportion of emerging ethnonationalist/separatist terrorist groups declining and the proportion of religious terrorist groups increasing. However, while terrorist groups with religious ideologies represent 40 percent of all emergent groups from 2000-2011 (two out of five), they only account for seven percent of groups over time.

Similarly, a third study by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism Religion found that religion alone is not a key factor in determining which terrorists want to use weapons of mass destruction:

The available empirical data show that there is not a significant relationship between terrorist organizations’ pursuit of CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear) weapons and the mere possession of a religious ideology, according to a new quantitative study by START researchers Victor Asal, Gary Ackerman and Karl Rethemeyer.

Therefore, Muslims are not more likely than other groups to want to use WMDs.

* The Boston marathon bombing was not included in this analysis, as START has not yet updated its database to include 2013 terrorist attacks.  3 people died in the Boston attack.  While tragic, we are confident that non-Musliims killed more than 3 during this same period.

We are not experts in terrorism analysis.  We would therefore defer to people like Kurzman on the exact number.  However, every quantitative analysis of terrorism in the U.S. we have read shows that the percent of terror attacks carried out by Muslims is far less than 10%.

Postscript: State-sponsored terrorism is beyond the scope of this discussion, and was not included in our statistical analysis.  Specifically, the following arguments are beyond the scope of this discussion, as we are focusing solely on non-state terrorism:

  • Arguments by  University of Michigan Professor Juan Cole that deaths from 20th century wars could be labeled Christian terrorism
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  • Tonto

    It is impossible to talk about -who did these terrorists acts- without talking about all the terrorist attacks committed by our own government -right here in this country-.

    • Chris Reuter

      Jewish interests were behind 9/11, not the Federal government as a whole, just a few here and there… Serving Jewry!

      • SGT DeFawlt

        Don’t confuse Judaism with Zionism. The vast majority of “Jews” are appalled at the State of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians and oppose their military posture in the middle-east. It was MONIED interests behind 9/11 – International Banks, the Fed, defense contractors and the military industrial complex. Don’t attack a race or belief – look at the criminals at the top of the food-chain. Ask Qui Bono!

        • Brettwashere

          What a bunch of bullshit. If you would have taken the time to actually read the report NIST, NCSTAR 1-9, the NIST gives a very good explanation of the events of the collapse of 7WTC.

          It is verified from photographic evidence and NIST, NCSTAR 1-9A verifies the sequence through animated software and is a hell of a lot better explanation than any truthers give.

          • SGT DeFawlt

            Brett, you ARE an idiot. NIST is full of shit and there are a thousand engineers and architects that have said that over, and over again. I’ve seen the NIST report. It’s YOU who obviously haven’t bothered listening to the people who KNOW and don’t have an agenda to protect. Kiss my ass, moron.

          • Brettwashere
      • sandy

        Judaism and zionist are not the same thing, Chris. You are being lied to. In America our real issues lie with a corrupt lying government playing us against each other all the while allowing sharia loving muslims to infiltrate every part of our political system.

        • accrete786

          Yawn, you could name the number of high ranking muslims in the US government on one hand, however you would need a calculator to figure out the number of Zionists who have invaded the power halls of the American people.

    • This pictures show the pulling of a building which was owned by a Jew and guess what? The Jew got rewarded by AIG – they really paid him for the losses he created.

      • sandy

        This is a lie against the Jews. There are those that are “Jewish” in name only and are extremist. The elite or whatever has nothing to do with true Jews. You are being manipulated and lied to and probably got this information from crap like Zeitgeist which was written by the elite. The real issue we have to deal with is the Muslims who are more than Muslim by name only. The moderates and extremist.

        • accrete786

          I suggest you take your medication my zionazi friend, the real problem is the Zionists like you who perpertrate hatred against others and have done so through out your sordid history.
          even today one of your senior rabbis in Australia claimed that the goim (Gentiles) have sex with dogs and another senior rabbi in Israel (spirtual head of shas) claimed that the goim are only fit to serve Jews.
          But then again this is what your holy scripture the talmud preaches.
          26b Abhodah zarah “Even the best of the goim should be killed”
          There are no Talmudic moderates, only extremists.

      • Brettwashere
      • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

        Virtually every office building in New York is insured by its owner(s). Given the demographics of New York City, it is highly likely that the owner(s) of any given office complex is (are) Jewish, if in name only. Your point is pointless.

    • This is why we have to outlaw people of dual nationality from holding power.

    • Brettwashere

      This explanation is 1000 times better than yours. NIST, NCSTAR 1-9, has photographs and everything… spelling it out so clearly.

  • joe anon 1

    juan cole? anyone read this cia agent?
    20th century wars christian?
    vietnam, iraq, afganistanx2, ww1, ww2, korea …
    not one could be called christian.
    iraq would be jewish.
    the others would be imperialism/capitalism – english and american and french.

  • Washington76

    Boston Bombing: What You Aren’t Being Told!

    In this video we are going to demonstrate that at the very minimum the authorities had prior knowledge of the attack and allowed it to happen, and this is only the tip of the iceberg.

  • Anon

    The Jewish Defense League that is responsible for most of the 7% of acts committed by Jewish Extremists, I think only killed 7 people, and wounded 22 since 1968. Stats will clearly be different if you look at the number of deaths and injuries. But have to agree that terrorism is overplayed relative to deaths resulting from it. Not surprising, as terrorism is primarily psychological warfare.

  • mmckinl

    And there were no “right wing attacks” on America except others ???

    I find that to be incredible …

    • Cruz Quintana

      It could explain that two groups that hate each other, black panthers & KKK, are left wing extremists.

      • The KKK (famously) are far-right as are the New Black Panthers, though the original Black Panthers (Bobby Seale and co.) were left-wing (Maoists).

        • Chris Reuter

          The KKK is Jewry’s creation, Albert Pike via Freemasonry? No?

          • Reuter, you are delusional

          • I don’t think so! By the way Adolf Hitler was an Austrian Jew! Over 120.000 Jews served in the German army in WW II and you already guessed right – Hitler’s generality and most of his cabinet came from the Jewry too.

            Obama is also a half Jew (by his mother who married a Kenyan man who was married to two other women). Obama also spoke like Hitler at the Victory Column in Berlin.

            …history can be a travesty.

          • alyardum

            Kit, when the lady comes over and asks you take the little pills, please do what she says.

          • You’re a nut case.

          • You’re a nut case.

          • EVERYONE’S A JEW!!! JEW JEW JEW!! J,J,J,J,JEW!

          • EVERYONE’S A JEW!!! JEW JEW JEW!! J,J,J,J,JEW!

          • William Carr

            Pravda01, those pills you bought on the Internet aren’t working.

            Hitler wasn’t a jew.

            Obama isn’t a “half jew”… Judiasm is inherited through the mother, and Ann Dunham wasn’t Jewish.

            Get help.

          • AngantyrTheKing

            Judaism is only ”inherited” based on outdated, racist concepts, and many Orthodox Jews don’t actually agree with inheriting a religion (which is all Judaism is… the ancestry of the Jews in question is irrelevant), but you are right that Obama didn’t have a Jewish mother.

          • The Jews also brought the slavery into America by financing it.

          • Arthur Toporovsky

            that is the most absurd charge ever, instigated by farrakhan among others. the slave-owners financed the business by buying slaves. if there was no market for them, no ‘financer’ could have made it exist. despite all the eagerness to blame jews for slavery, the islamic world was an integral part of the process. in fact, aside from having both black and white slaves, arabia continued to have slaves until late in the 20th century.

          • SGT DeFawlt

            They didn’t just finance it, they owned most of the ships and the cargo and dominated the slave-trade in America for over 200 years!

          • John Wirth

            Just because someone is smart enough to profit from or take advantage of a market driven supply and demand industry doesn’t mean that they are responsible for it



          • AngantyrTheKing

            Many Jews campaigned against segregation, so your point? Jews are not a hive mind, and actually not many Jews did finance slavery as most Jews were not that prominent before the 19th Century, and in most cases the 20th Century.

        • Brettwashere

          The KKK is a Democratic Group that stayed with Democrats. (Robert Byrd)

          • Aaron Levesque

            Yes, the old racist pre-civil rights era Dixiecrats, as they were called, who are all now Republicans.

          • AngantyrTheKing

            The democrats are irrelevant; why do you think I, a far-leftist, care about those centrists? They are not socialists, communists or anarchists. They are centre-left not far-left and on a political spectrum, they are closer to the centre-right than they are to the far-left, as both are centrist not radicals (radical right includes Right-wing Nationalist, Fascists, Falangists and National Socialists – the centre-right are more distant from these than they are to the centre-left). However, people are correct that the KKK do not support the modern Democrat party. Many would have in the past but that was when the southern Democrats (”Dixiecrats”) were more right-wing than Republicans (even the name is a giveaway as ”republicanism” was at one point THE left, as in France; also president Ted Roosevelt was a radical, at the far-left of mainstream US politics at the time). Most of the KKK do not, however, support the Republican party but various far-right groups including Neo-Nazi ones,

    • chris reuter

      You leftists are a bunch of nut cases and easily deceived goyim, has been proven throughout history…

      • Leo Trotsky was a Jew and a brutal commissar in the former Soviet Union during the time it was formed and he is responsible for the murder of million Russian Christians.

        I don’t think that leftists, which don’t exist in America have a deception problem, but I agree the majority of American has undergo a brain surgery done by Jewish doctors which removed the part of the brain which controls reality awareness.

    • nc runnerboy

      This is the most idiotic article ever written. Muslims killed almost 3,000 on one day – it isn’t based on attempts targeted at individuals!!!! These statistics they use are based on homicide attempts – what a bunch of clowns!!!! Suni-extremists are the problem worldwide – america is safer and they can’t operate easily here.

      • Brettwashere

        I agree, Mark Twain once wrote “there are lies, damn lies and statistics”: The above analysis is quantitative and gives the same weight of an eco terrorist spray painting a building (destruction of property) to the 911 attacks.

        A qualitative analysis (eg. number of people killed in all terrorist attacks) suggests that 93.8% of all murders by terrorist attack were committed by Muslim terrorists between 1980 and 2005.

        As of 2007, the US Muslim population was 0.6%. Projected from 0.6% of the population to to committing 93.8% of the deaths suggest that Muslims are 156 times more likely to commit an act of terrorism where someone is killed.

        Most Americans have not read the Qur’an and applied tafsir… They are too lazy, ignorant and indifferent (don’t know, don’t care).

        The political correctness in America doesn’t call attacks like the DC Sniper a terrorist attack – though he was retaliating for America’s decision to invade Iraq.

        • accrete786

          Most Americans have not read the Talmud either, yet are quite happy to spend billions to uphold its teachings in a land faraway, did you fall on your head as a child once or twice?

        • accrete786

          Most Americans have not read the Talmud either, yet are quite happy to spend billions to uphold its teachings in a land faraway, did you fall on your head as a child once or twice?

          • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

            The Talmud does not teach decapitation. Nor does it command death for infidels.
            Ad hominem remarks bear witness only to ignorance.

          • accrete786

            My inbred American friend, firstly there is no mention of female genital mutilation in Islam, you will find that the practice is carried out in parts of Africa including christian communities.
            Secondly I suggest you read Leviticus , it suggests rape, stoning etc for the chosen of God to carry out against the unbelievers, in fact stoning unbelievers to death is actually mentioned seventeen times in the old testament for a variety of sins.
            Secondly child marriage is not mentioned in the Quran, however we do not need to delve to deep into the Talmud to find a passage on it in sanhedrin 55b ” A jew may marry a three year old girl”
            Also sorry to correct you again but Abohodah Zarah is in the Talmud, I suggest you look at the Jewish website about the Talmud Come and hear which confirms that it is part of the Talmud , so just keep spinning your lies.
            In fact my demented friend you will find that when a prominent Rabbi in Israel wrote a book called the Kings Torah in which he stated Arab babies should be killed, he justified his musings by citing the Talmud and what is says about Gentiles.
            The persecution of Jews in europe actually began in the 12th century when the then pope innocent the fourth called the Talmud the work of the devil due to its cursings against Jesus and gentiles.
            I could go on but I feel your medication will soon wear off and you will be placed back into your padded cell.

          • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

            No mention of female Islamic mutilation? Your taqiyya is showing.
            For your edification, I have printed an item from the
            Female Genital Mutilation
            Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:42 Circe

            Ms Hassan, ICV (Age 4/4/07) claims Female Genital Mutilation – particularly removal of or damage to the clitoris, has nothing to do with Islam. This view is echoed among the politically correct including agencies involved in stopping FGM, and, while it will be admirable if this lie does help to stop the practice, it is still a lie. It would be far better to confront and denounce the text so that it cannot be used again.
            Clitoridectomy is not mentioned in the Koran but is endorsed by Mohammad and his companions in several hadiths and in Islamic law.
            In Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law in Arabic with facing English text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller (1994) re ‘circumcision’ we find the Arabic actually says :

            “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male,
            but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad). ”
            (Note the English version is falsely translated as ‘prepuce ‘ of the clitoris!!)

            The Arabic word bazr does not mean “prepuce of the clitoris”, it means the clitoris itself (cf. the entry in the Arabic-English Dictionary). The deceptive translation by Nuh Hah Mim Keller, made for Western consumption, obscures the Shafi’i law, given by ‘Umdat al-Salik, that circumcision of girls by excision of the clitoris is mandatory. This particular form of female circumcision is widely practiced in Egypt, where the Shafi’i school of Sunni law is followed. Note a comment by Sheikh ‘Abd al-Wakil Durubi in the English ‘version’ notes “Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.

            This is supported by several hadiths:
            1) Abu-Dawud Book 41, No. 5251: Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
            (Note: The powerful Mohammad did NOT stop the procedure yet he did stop the Arab practise of adoption when he wished to marry his adopted son’s wife Zainab, regarded as incest by the Arabs because adopted sons were held as sons!)
            2) The are many hadiths across several sets that refer to the need for ghusl when the ‘two circumcised organs come in contact’
            a) Muslim book 3 No. 684:
            Abu Musa reported: There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs ….He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said: I got up (and went) to ‘A’isha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her: 0 Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said: Don’t feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said: What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied: You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
            b) Maliks Muwatta Book 2: Section: Obligation to Do Ghusl when the Two Circumcised Parts Meet
            Book 2, Number 2.19.73: Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Umar ibn al-Khattab and Uthman ibn Affan and A’isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say, “When the circumcised part touches the circumcised part, ghusl is obligatory.”
            Repeated in various forms from Aisha in Book 2, Number 2.19.74, 75, 77 :
            c) Maliks Muwatta Book 20 No. 20.46.161 —very long, all about penalties for contact between a male and female during hajj – and those circumcised parts again!
            Above hadiths from USC.EDU suggest that ‘circumcision’ of females was normal for Muslims.
            3) a) Hadith in the Musnad by Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, where Shaddad Ibn Aws reports that the prophet said:
            “Cicumcision is a sunnah for Men, MAKRUMAH for women”
            (MAKRUMAH can be translated as “noble deed” or “honorable”) cited in
            b) another quotation from the Prophet “Circumcision is a sunna for men and a sign of respect for women”. (Hadith of Abu al-Malih, Abu Dawud) cited in Muhammad Salim al-Awwa (article Female Circumcision Neither a Sunna, nor a sign of respect. )
            4) another hadith attributed to Abdullah ibn Umar where the women of al-Ansar were addressed endorsing female circumcision ..( hadith attributed to Abdullah ibn Umar quoted by Abu Nain and others) also cited by Muhammad Salim al-Awwa, who uses the usual claim that transmission is weak, to discount any hadith that shocks the west.
            The hadith are held in great reverence next to the Koran in the Islamic world and serve as the theoretical basis for Islamic law. The hadith are essential to understanding the Koran and underpin day to day life. The sunni hadiths were all compiled 200+ years after Mohammad’s death. The hadiths were subjected to a thorough examination/refining at the end of the 19th century yet those referring to female ‘circumcision’ (FGM) remain.
            Many Islamic practices and the basis for many laws are found in the hadiths eg stoning, killing apostates, child marriage. All the ceremonies of the Hajj were old pagan ceremonies and are only described in hadiths does the fact that they:
            a) existed before Islam or
            b) are only in hadiths mean that they are NOT part of Islam?
            Muslims choose their words carefully claiming FGM is not ‘mandated’ and hide its endorsement in hadiths and law.
            The vast majority of FGM is carried out by Muslims spread across many cultures invaded by Arab Muslims eg parts of Africa (it’s wasn’t practiced in the southern states), across the middle-east (particularly southern part of Arabian Peninsular, Persian Gulf eg Yemen, Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates listed by some as having FGM), into India (practiced by Daubi Bohra Muslims) and Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia) (WHO reports and others) .
            FGM may be more widespread in the middle-east than believed. “Academics widely regard FGM as an African disease. But information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed, and that FGM is far more tied into religion than many Western academics and activists admit. In early 2003, WADI, a German nongovernmental organization (NGO) focusing on women’s issues, found that close to 60 percent of Kurdish women questioned had undergone genital circumcision. Nearly every woman in the survey declared FGM to be a “normal” practice… Others stress the religious necessity of FGM… Islamic scholars disagree on FGM. But the conclusion that FGM is not a problem of Islamic practice is simply wrong as long as a large number of clerics accept or demand it… Many academics and NGO workers in the region find it objectionable to criticize the predominant Muslim or Arab cultures. But there are indications that FGM might be widespread in the Arab Middle East; the rate is known to be 90 percent or more in Egypt.” By Thomas von der Osten-Sacken and Thomas Uwer are, respectively, managing director and a board member of WADI. This commentary was based on an article in the winter edition of the Middle East Quarterly. Originally published February 12, 2007
            Muslims claim FGM is against Islamic text that says you cannot cut/alter the body but male circumcision is obligatory!
            In 2001, Christians attacked in the Maluku islands, Indonesia and surrounds were killed or forced on pain of death to convert to Islam. Christian babies through to old women were genitally mutilated (clitoridectomy) often with knives from their own kitchens! Will we blame Indonesia’s Buddhist/Hindu background or the Islamic takeover of Indonesia? (Christina’s Story; Sydney Morning Herald 27/12001; Conversion crusade rends the Spice Islands The Age 27/1/2001) Across Indonesia, hospitals offer circumcision of baby girls with fears that even more tissue is cut away using the new instruments often resulting in full excision of the clitoris! Assalaam Foundation treasurer Syarief Hamid, claims that while religion was the main reason for circumcisions, he says there are also health reasons. “I understand that a girl who is not circumcised would not have clean genitals after she urinates and sometimes that can cause cervical cancer,” he says. “The religious view is, if you are not circumcised you won’t have clean genitals after you urinate. If then you pray, your prayer won’t be legal.” The practitioners who came from the local hospital always cut a piece off the clitoris, he says. Masitoh Chusnan, from the women’s wing of Muhammadiyah, one of Indonesia’s two biggest Muslim organisations, says the circumcision of girls is regarded in Islam as an honourable practice. “The Hadith did not say it’s obligatory, but it is recommended to have it done,” she says. “There is the Prophet’s words saying girls must be circumcised but you should not cut too much.” !! (SMH 13/1/04)
            Clitoridectomy may have existed pre-Islam but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t incorporated into and spread by Islam.
            Although practiced by a small % of Christians and some animists and others in Arab invaded parts of Africa (7th century), this doesn’t discount the association with Islam or make others equally culpable. Islamic culture was forced onto others.
            Neither Jesus, nor Christian text (Bible) supports FGM which is practised at far lower levels by African Christians than Muslims in both Muslim or non-Muslim majority countries (WHO figures reported in 1995). According to Amnesty, many Christian practitioners are Muslim converts to Christianity which attempts to stop the practice but sometimes turns a blind eye towards converts! More recent PC figures on FGM don’t distinguish religious groups and just list the country!
            The fact that not every Muslim practices FGM doesn’t discount its association with Islam.
            Relativists pretend removal of the prepuce in the male which leaves a fully functional, sensitive penis is equivalent to clitoridectomy in females which is equivalent to cutting off the penis or partial cutting/damage to the clitoris which is like cutting/destroying the glans/head of the penis!!
            FGM follows the spread of Islam even into the west. It does NOT follow the spread of Christianity/Buddhism/Hinduism etc! Most western countries have laws that prohibit FGM but it still goes on and according to WHO/UNICEF is growing thanks to immigration and concerns of parents to keep control of daughters in western societies! No doubt we will soon be told it’s part of our ‘culture’ and nothing to do with Islam!
            FGM is practiced in Australia: Pamela Bone (who also thought clitoridectomy wasn’t part of Islamic law!) referred to an interview with Sheik Fehmi al-Imam of the Preston Mosque where she asked him about clitoridectomy and he replied:
            “You probably don’t need it but women in hot countries do”!!! (Melbourne Age 21/7/01 p7)

   (11/5/06) and note that over 50 females have been treated/year in Sydney hospitals following FGM. Some girls are sent overseas for the procedure but others are mutilated here.
            Egypt: An example of the dual playing to western views and adhering to Islamic ones:
            There have been a few fatwas (published opinions by Muslim religious scholars. They are non-binding in law)
            for/against FGM but the reality is that many Muslims believe it is ‘beneficial’ and ‘meritorious’ if not obligatory.
            a) 29/1/1981: The Great Sheikh of Al-Azhar (the most famous University of the Islamic World) stated that parents must follow the lessons of Mohammed and not listen to medical authorities because the latter often change their minds. Parents must do their duty and have their daughters circumcised. (Clitoridectomy in Egypt)
            b) TARGET, a German human rights group, sponsored a conference on FGM in Cairo, Egypt. Muslim scholars from many nations attended. At the conclusion of the conference on 24/11/2006- they issued statements against FGM but, is this just to please the west? Would FGM continue as it has for 1400 years if not for the west?
            An official ban on female circumcision enacted in 1996 remains ineffective in stopping FGM.

            MEMRI Middle-east Research Institute: Inquiry and Analysis Series – No. 152November 7, 2003 No.152 examines Muslim views on FGM. Many influential Muslims continue to endorse it and refer to the hadiths cited above and Islamic traditions. They claim circumcising a girl brings modesty, honor, and emotional balance and prevents AIDS, depravity and prostitution. Clitoridectomy stops ‘unnatural’ sexual pleasure in girls and makes them clean! Several claim the west, in trying to stop FGM, is really trying to spread immoral values in the Islamic world and destroy the Muslim family –and contradict Islamic law!
            Sheikh Yussef Al-Qaradhawi, one of Sunni Islam’s most influential clerics and a spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood favors partial circumcision for women as a moderate, just, and reasonable solution best suited to reality. ..In a Fatwa on this issue, he wrote, “Anyone who thinks that circumcision is the best way to protect his daughters should do it… I support this, particularly in the period in which we live. ….

            On 12/2/2007 Al-Arabiya TV aired ‘Al-Azhar University Scholars Argue over the Legitimacy of Female Circumcision Practiced in Egypt.’ The debate was between Egyptian Al-Azhar University scholars Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mussayar and Sheikh Mahmoud Ashur The exerts are interesting because they acknowledge the hadiths related to FGM -Muhammad Al-Mussayar: notes “All the jurisprudents, since the advent of Islam and for 14 centuries or more, are in consensus that female circumcision is permitted by Islam. But they were divided with regard to its status in shari’a. Some said that female circumcision is required by shari’a, just like male circumcision. Some said this is the mainstream practice, while others said it is a noble act. But throughout the history of Islam, nobody has ever said that performing female circumcision is a crime. There has been a religious ruling on this for 14 centuries.” “First of all, there are reliable hadiths in Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim which support female circumcision. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘If a circumcised woman and man have intercourse, they must undergo ablution.’ Unreliable hadiths do not cancel out the reliable ones. We have unreliable hadiths regarding prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage. Should we abolish prayer and charity just because some hadiths are unreliable?..”Female circumcision is no less valid just because it was practiced in Pharaonic times and in the Jahiliya. Islam accepted some customs, which were harmonious with human nature, and rejected others, which contradicted human nature.” (reported by 27/2/2007 and
            FGM is very much a Muslim problem. Are Muslims ignorant of their hadiths and law that supports FGM or is their false claim that is has nothing to do with Islam taqiyya -lying to the west to protect and promote Islam?
            Last Updated on Tuesday, 05 August 2008 21:11

          • accrete786

            My demented Zionist friend, so glad to see that your rabid Talmudic tendencies are so forth coming, as you state female circumcision is not mentioned in the Quran, and many hadiths were fabricated to subjugate women, so you can keep citing these weak hadiths seen by the vast majority as false until your medication runs out.
            Lol you zionists love to cut and paste, so funny to rile you guys up and sit back as the same drivel pours forth, you remind so much of the Talmudic scholars who also have a tendency to dribble from the corners of their mouths in rabid anger much like yourself.
            Keep reading your Talmud and keep dreaming up new ways to kill Gentiles .

          • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

            I will pray for you. Goodbye.

          • J

            No no no no no. Don’t just run away from the conversation when you get your ass kicked. Come back and take your beating like a man.

          • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

            Matthew 7:6

          • Finland

            I am really impressed by your knowledge and study about Zionists. I live in Finland and I am actually planning to launch a website mainly for the Finnish people in order to educate them about the history of Zionists and there false propaganda and there cruel crimes not only against Islam but against Christianity and others. I would be grateful to you if you spare some time for me and share your knowledge.

            You can contact me on my email anytime:
            I hope to hear from you soon.


          • Brettwashere

            You are permitted (halal) to criticize the Hadiths – but not the Qur’an.

            However, you failed to mention that the Islamic creedo, “there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah” is not in the Qur’an either.

            The creedo or shahadda is in the Hadiths and is the most fundamental foundation of Islam… Tawhid.

            We know better.

          • Shahin

            ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻻَ ﺇِﻟَٰﻪَ ﺇِﻻَّ ﻫُﻮَ ﺍﻟْﺤَﻲُّ ﺍﻟْﻘَﻴُّﻮﻡُ ۚ ﻻَ ﺗَﺄْﺧُﺬُﻩُ ﺳِﻨَﺔٌ ﻭَﻻَ ﻧَﻮْﻡٌ ۚ ﻟَﻪُ ﻣَﺎ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻟﺴَّﻤَﺎﻭَﺍﺕِ ﻭَﻣَﺎ ﻓِﻲ ﺍﻷَْﺭْﺽِ ۗ ﻣَﻦْ ﺫَﺍ ﺍﻟَّﺬِﻱ ﻳَﺸْﻔَﻊُ ﻋِﻨْﺪَﻩُ ﺇِﻻَّ ﺑِﺈِﺫْﻧِﻪِ ۚ ﻳَﻌْﻠَﻢُ ﻣَﺎ ﺑَﻴْﻦَ ﺃَﻳْﺪِﻳﻬِﻢْ ﻭَﻣَﺎ ﺧَﻠْﻔَﻬُﻢْ ۖ ﻭَﻻَ ﻳُﺤِﻴﻂُﻮﻥَ ﺑِﺸَﻲْءٍ ﻣِﻦْ ﻋِﻠْﻤِﻪِ ﺇِﻻَّ ﺑِﻤَﺎ ﺷَﺎءَ ۚ ﻭَﺳِﻊَ ﻛُﺮْﺳِﻴُّﻪُ ﺍﻟﺴَّﻤَﺎﻭَﺍﺕِ ﻭَﺍﻷَْﺭْﺽَ ۖ ﻭَﻻَ ﻳَﺌُﻮﺩُﻩُ ﺣِﻔْﻆُﻬُﻤَﺎ ۚ ﻭَﻫُﻮَ ﺍﻟْﻌَﻠِﻲُّ ﺍﻟْﻌَﻆِﻴﻢُ

            Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.]

          • Brettwashere

            Chapter 2 was the first Chapter from Medina in 622 CE (1AH).

            Allah is a proper noun indicating a specific person, place or thing.
            ilah is a common or generic noun, for god, and is differentiated by the example that you gave given. Also in the Islamic credo or shahadah “La ilah ilaha Allah”.

            Muhammad’s father was named Abd’ullah meanng “slave of Allah” – but Abdullah was a Banu Hashim. The Banu Hashim of Mecca were worshipers of Hubal a chief moon god.

            Archaeology from the First Temple period, at Khatef Hinnom, and the Dead Sea Scrolls suggest that the proper noun, for the god of David and Jesus, is Yehovah (YHWH) not Allah.

            Allah, before Islam, isn’t mentioned outside of Arabia and is always associated with idolatry.

            Allah is not Yehovah.

          • God is

            I don’t want to get all technical and stuff but Mohammed was a murderous pedophile and Allah is a Wanker.

          • Brettwashere

            Basically, yes. But I was looking for something a little more constructive and objective that even Muslims could agree with.

          • facts

            Allah is a false moon god from antiquity.

          • Brettwashere

            Right! We are all very familiar with that – but that’s only half of it – isn’t it?

            The Shahadda (credo of faith) actually comes from Sahih Bukhari:


            Ash shadu an la ilaha illa-llah waḥdahu la sarika lahu, wa ash shadu anna muḥammadan ʿabduhu wa rasooluhu.

            “I testify that (there is) no god except God; One is He, no partner has He, and I testify that Muhammad is His servant and messenger.”

            I affirm what I have said earlier that the formal shahadda comes from hadith and not the Qur’an.

            In antiquity, from the time of Muhammad, it exists in Greek or the language of the Byzantines: Οὐκ ἔστιν [θεός εἰ μὴ ὁ θεὸς μόνος], Μααμε[τ ἀπόστολος θεοῦ]

            Ouk estin [theos ei mē ho theos monos]; Maamet [apostolos theou]


          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti

            LOL, well said

          • blankslate

            All you can do in response to a respectfully written rebuttal, is insult with every discriminatory remark you can muster. Congratulations, you’ve lost all credibility.

          • Brettwashere

            You hit it out of the park Princeton!

            Here is a video of Muslim countries defending FGM, as a matter of Islamic shari’a, in the UN and silencing any discussion about it.


          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti
          • Brettwashere

            I would reserve the use of the word inbred, friend, the birth defects in Iraq are not caused by depleted uranium (key word: depleted) but due to the custom of marrying first cousins in the Muslim world (Qur’an 33:50)

            And female genital mutilation is the practice of Muslims for women to adhere to circumcision customs – not required of Christians and Jews.


          • Ilias Mir

            Actually the prophet muhammad pbuh encouraged not to marry your cousins but rather other tribes (foreigners to your tribe). As a matter of fact, marrying your 3rd cousin is scientifically proven to be a great
            advantage to the offspring of the child, rather than marrying someone totally
            unrelated as well. Although these practices are still common in some
            muslim countries such as pakistan, most muslim countries do not partake in first cousin
            marriages on a large scale and even if they did, there are no genetic
            defects in doing so according to science, so what’s your beef/problem? And on the contrary circumcision is vastly believed to be for males only in the muslim world. Such practices are usually in east african countries such as Somalia, and not places like lebanon, turkey, pakistan etc.

          • Ilpalazzo

            Mohammed encouraged marrying outside of the tribes, in order to force those outside tribes under his rules. That’s why polygamy was embraced, because they were more or less ‘trophies’ of other houses and tribes subjugated to Islam’s rule. As it wasn’t about marrying a Christian girl and being a happy co-existence, but rather marry her and make her convert to Islam. If a man married a Christian woman and converted to Christianity, the muslims would kill him and her.

          • Whatever

            The most different the parents are ,the smarter the kids would be. That is a genetic evidence because you mix two completely different genetic pools. On the other end marrying closer relative would cause [in most cases ] genetic disorders because not only they have a great common ancestor but they also share larger prices in term of DNA. This is science and it has nothing to do with religion. Yet the debate is still about why Prophet Mohamed said so. It is very easy to mislead when you have no evidence.

          • Ilpalazzo

            Sorry buddy, but you’re extrapolating 20th-21st century ‘genetic evidence’ on 7th century tribal territorialism. I’m sure gangbanging non-muslim women has a lot of genetic benefits.. not. In the context of the Quran and in the rest of Mo’s actions, it’s clear that the ‘marry outside the tribe’ was 100% for territorial/ideological advancement. Everything else in the Quran is about that; so I doubt that one line was about genetic deformities. And interbreeding does not equate to smarter *at all*, and if anything you’re embracing Darwin’s evolution, which also indicated that caucasians are more superior to africans and middle easterners, but you most likely have a problem with that too, so stop the cherry picking routine, ok?

          • nhbuckeye

            To which progressives say, “What a great idea!” since they hate Christians.

          • Brettwashere

            I cited the relevant verse from the Qur’an (33:50) and Allah encourages first cousin marriages: the encouragement is manifest into culture and practice.

            “O Prophet! Indeed, We [We] have made lawful to you your wives (to) whom you have given their bridal money and whom you rightfully possess from those (whom) Allah has given to you, and (the) daughters (of) your paternal uncles and (the) daughters (of) your paternal aunts and (the) daughters (of) your maternal uncles and (the) daughters (of) your maternal aunts who emigrated with you, and a woman believing if she gives herself to the Prophet if wishes the Prophet to marry her – only for you, excluding the believers. Certainly, We know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and whom they rightfully possess, that not should be on you any discomfort. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

            ~ Qur’an 33:50


            The March of Dimes is the world’s premier organization that deals with birth defects: all one has to do is look up the disproportionate incidence of birth defects in Muslim countries.

            As a molecular biologist (eg. genetic engineer) I can tell you that genetic diversity is generally best.

          • klay12

            Actually its not encouraging marriage with cousins, it just saying its permissible. Its definitely linked with cultural norms too.

            intermarrying of cousins is actually quite prevalent across the indian sub continent across all of the religions of that country.

          • Brettwashere

            “O Prophet! Indeed, We [We] have made lawful to you your wives (to) whom you have given their bridal money and whom you rightfully possess from those (whom) Allah has given to you, and (the) daughters (of) your paternal uncles and (the) daughters (of) your paternal aunts and (the) daughters (of) your maternal uncles and (the) daughters (of) your maternal aunts who emigrated with you, and a woman believing if she gives herself to the Prophet if wishes the Prophet to marry her – only for you, excluding the believers. Certainly, We know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and whom they rightfully possess, that not should be on you any discomfort. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

            ~ Qur’an 33:50

            That is encouraging the marriage of first cousins and it is practiced as a custom from West Africa to India.


          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti

            LOL, you imbecile, you are trying to lie again and distort the truth , the only ones who marry their first cousins are the shiite sand kurds you moron

          • Creldarix

            Any chance you could cover your face and protect your modesty?

          • Brettwashere

            I cited the relevant verse from the Qur’an (33:50) and Allah encourages first cousin marriages: the encouragement is manifest into culture and practice.

            “O Prophet! Indeed, We [We] have made lawful to you your wives (to) whom you have given their bridal money and whom you rightfully possess from those (whom) Allah has given to you, and (the) daughters (of) your paternal uncles and (the) daughters (of) your paternal aunts and (the) daughters (of) your maternal uncles and (the) daughters (of) your maternal aunts who emigrated with you, and a woman believing if she gives herself to the Prophet if wishes the Prophet to marry her – only for you, excluding the believers. Certainly, We know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and whom they rightfully possess, that not should be on you any discomfort. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

            ~ Qur’an 33:50


            The March of Dimes is the world’s premier organization that deals with birth defects: all one has to do is look up the disproportionate incidence of birth defects in Muslim countries.

            As a molecular biologist (eg. genetic engineer) I can tell you that genetic diversity is generally best.

          • Jubeii

            I cannot belive you got a degree. Say something smart about GE or I will never believe it.

          • Brettwashere

            I have no reason to lie – I simply read the WHO and March of Dimes reports on birth defects.

            You cannot explain that it is a Shi’a phenomena when rooted in the Qur’an (33:50) and evidenced by science and history.


          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti
          • klay12

            “And female genital mutilation is the practice of Muslims for women to adhere to circumcision customs – not required of Christians and Jews.”

            Hogwash! It’s a custom from Africa and is practised by some Christian sects as well as Muslims ones. Seriously, are you that ignorant? It’s not part of mainstream Islam and not in any of the religious texts so posting pics to shock is a red herring. Its a heinous practise as we all know.

            As for the birth defects in Iraq you once again are showing your ignorance. Medical evidence measured birth defects pre and post uranium firing and it clearly showed a correlation. It has nothing to do with marrying first cousins. The birth defect due to marrying cousins may exist, but it increased after we shot a load of depleted uranium shells over there. in fact, these shells also affected our troops.

            Seriously, you need to read some more.

          • Brettwashere

            Nice try. “Medical evidence measured birth defects pre and post uranium firing and it clearly showed a correlation” Specifically, what medical evidence? Not the WHO or the DOD who ran the tests. Certainly not the March of Dimes whose data, on birth defects, I cited. I think that you are trying to be a con-man now.

            The key word is “depleted”.

            With first cousins, the genetic tree doesn’t have too many branches on it – if you know what I mean – the next best thing to mother and father being brother and sister.

            There are some African Christians who engage in FGM – but it is much more uncommon.

          • klay12

            Actually the Iraq’s own study of birth defects did highlight an increase in birth defects (

            Did we also not have have numerous reports of American solders with Gulf War Syndrome linked to DU?


            Are you seriously suggesting I just made this up and there is no debate in the world about this?

            I also AGREE with your point about marrying first cousins. I am not disputing that. My point was that the Iraqi’s have been marrying cousins for a very long time. The increase in birth defects was reported against a stable level of birth defects.

          • Brettwashere

            Actually, there is a higher report of birth defects among some of Iraq’s neighbors than in Iraq. The odds of Uranium induced birth defects is actually greater in Pennsylvania than in Iraq.


          • Brettwashere

            Uses of DU take advantage of its very high density of 19.1 g/cm3 (68.4% denser than lead). Civilian uses include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy and industrial radiography equipment and containers used to transport radioactive materials. Military uses include defensive armor plating and armor-piercing projectiles.

            The globalresearch article states that it is illegal when it is not.

            A report from the World Health Organization would be welcome – but it would still have to explain higher birth defect rates in Saudi Arabia and Iraq’s neighbors – where DU was not used.

          • Exquisite Corpse

            Whatever the correlation between the rate of marrying first cousins and birth defects may exist, you are 100% wrong about depleted uranium. Depleted means that it has been largely depleted of the type and quantity of radioactive emission that is used as fuel for a nuclear reaction. It does not mean that it is nontoxic, nor does it mean that it is not radioactive.

            Depleted uranium was chosen for its use in ammunition because it has a unique property in the way it shatters upon impact. Specifically, it shatters parallel to the direction of travel. The depleted uranium shards are razor sharp. The combination of these properties give depleted uranium its ability to penetrate armor.

            However, the process of depleted uranium shattering produces an immense amount of depleted uranium dust. In a desert clime like Iraq this dust settles into the sand and becomes interminably intermixed.

            Those dust particles may be depleted of the stronger radioactive emissions but they still emit alpha radiation. Alpha radiation is weak enough that it is stopped by something as thin as a sheet of paper. It is NOT stopped by something with the thickness of a biological cell wall. So when you breathe in depleted uranium dust it gets lodged in your lungs where the dust particles will continue to emit alpha particles. These alpha particles are fully capable of disrupting the DNA process which leads to horrific mutations.

          • Brettwashere

            If any report on DU were compelling to suggest that DU were causing birth defects – then I would support your view.

            However, the March of Dimes knows something about birth defects.

            Your opinion doesn’t confuse or obfuscate the data – that birth defects, such as harlequin’s syndrome and hemophilia, are the result of inbreeding while epigenetic defects, like various forms of cancer, are the result of mutagens.

            Nothing suggests, by establishment of a baseline of cultural norms, and where those norms are prevalent, that incidents of birth defects are any higher in Iraq than anywhere else.

            Other health problems are the result of the collapse of infrastructure: for example, cholera is a resurgent problem in Iraq due to the collapse of electrical infrastructure and clean drinking water.

            The health problems of Iraq have, of late, been overshadowed by the violence in Iraq. I know these things – because I logged over 70,000 miles through every part of Iraq, as a translator, and have seen these things with my own two eyes.

            Birth defects, are more prevalent with Iraq’s neighbors and they have little exposure to DU. Pennsylvania has much more exposure to Uranium ore and it’s products of radio isotopic decay of radon gas.

            The data is very clear and people who cling to the DU angle are predisposed to the narrative – rather than the facts.

          • Calista Weichel

            FGM is not an Islamic Issue. It is a Cultural Issue. Please support your statement of “there are some African Christians who engage in FGM-but it is much more uncommon”. I think you have it backwards. Please do not assume that if not Christian then they are Muslim. there are also many non monotheistic religions on the African Continent. You find virtually NO FGM or circumcision on females in the Arab Countries, Indonesia, Malaysia, China etc. Also, did you know that women In the USA and UK (and elsewhere) are electively going out and spending on average 4000 for labiaplasty Surgery. Where they cut, trim and design both Labia Majora and Labia Minor.

          • Brettwashere
          • Brettwashere

            Yes it is used by a small minority of non Muslims in Africa… a small minority as relates to custom and not religion.

          • nhbuckeye

            Shafi’i school of Sunni Law teaches:

            Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female)
            by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male,
            but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris
            (this is called HufaaD)

            So it may be indeed cultural in Northern Africa and in the Middle East, but it is specifically an obligatory part of Sunni law.

          • klay12

            You don’t actually know what you are talking about do you?

            Circumcision isn’t obligatory for females, it is for males though in mainstream Sunni and Shia religions. Female circumcision is practised mainly by African communities including places like Somalia. It’s also practised across some Christian religions in the same region.

            It is NOT specifically obligatory in Sunni law and giving it a name that isn’t recognised by most mainstream Sunni muslims isn’t going to legitimise your argument.

            I seriously suggest you actually learn the basics about the religion you claim to have knowledge about.

          • nhbuckeye

            The UN disagrees with you. It is practiced widely in northern Africa and across the Middle East. So maybe the UN doesn’t know what it’s talking about. They do get global warming wrong, so maybe they get this wrong too. What I read said that it was obligatory under Sunni teaching. So maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about, or maybe you don’t. Maybe it’s more complicated. I don’t know. I just know that I’ve looked into it, and that’s what I read.

          • klay12

            Seriously? The UN doesn’t disagree with me because you are making that bit up. So the UN are saying that female circumcision is mandatory in mainstream Islam i.e Sunni and Shia? Really? If I am wrong, then pls end me your link and references then. The UN has condemned these practises but doesn’t make your claims true that its a widespread practise within mainstream Islam or actually mandatory.

            To be clear there is one Hadith that says female circumcision is allowed and even then that hadith, which is considered to be weak and non-credible, says its an honour not mandatory for woman but mandatory for men. This single hadith was considered unreliable by the collector of those hadith. Given that a vast majority of Muslim females are not circumcised, that would also suggest its not mandatory or mainstream.

            The only people who propagate this myth are extreme right wing Islamophobic websites.

            This is taken from Wikipedia (but the source is reliable):

            “Regarding religious differences, it is now generally recognized that even though a number of the countries where female genital surgeries are found are predominantly Muslim. In CDI [Côte d’Ivoire], the prevalence is 80 percent among Muslims, 40 percent among those with no religion and 15 percent among Protestants, and in Sudan the prevalence is highest among Muslim women … In Kenya, by contrast, prevalence is highest among Catholics and Protestants compared with other religious groups … Thus, there is no unequivocal link between religion and prevalence. – Carla Obermeyer, 1999”

          • nhbuckeye

            The UN was the source for where the practice is done. A Sunni cleric was the source for why it is commanded through Sharia. There are clearly a wide variance in Islamic opinion regarding following Sharia law, so your disagreement is not even a little surprising. It is clear through the varying ways Islam is practiced throughout the world that there is a lot of disagreement on many aspects of honoring Allah appropriately, including FGM.

          • klay12

            There is no single viewpoint within Islam as there is no single version of Christianity or Judaism so what’s your point? My disagreement is with the claim that FGM is mainstream Islam, which it isn’t and the statistics show as much. Its these generalisations of treating Islam as some single homogeneous religion that I find unhelpful and downright ignorant.

          • nhbuckeye

            Sure, people are ignorant of Islam. I’m sure that Muslims are also ignorant of the variations within Islam, too, because who has time to learn all the nuances between sects? Life is demanding enough without having to learn everything about everything. I am often confronted with secularist ignorance of Christianity, yet they feel quite comfortable making wide-sweeping, negative generalizations that are very untrue in both the generalization and even the root of the information. It’s the human condition, there is too much to know and not enough time or interest for a person to learn it all.

          • nhbuckeye

            Well of COURSE it’s ignorant. How much time do people have to invest learning all the ins-and-outs of other people’s religions and the varying sects within? Not much. You can abusive about it, or you could be a helpful teacher.

          • klay12

            Fair point.

            But if you look at the commentary and debate raging around Islam, it’s being treated as ALL Muslims have the same extremist/terrorist/Deosh views as ISIS. If you swapped the word Jew for Muslim then see how it would sound. Try it honestly.

            What we today is a bunch right wing nutters and Islamophobic individuals who are picking over every minutiae of Islam and using that as evidence to fit their narrative that Islam is the root cause of this evil.

            This argument is not only disingenuous, but dangerous because people then don’t look at further for an explanation and instead just demonise a religion that 20% of the worlds population follow.

            In most of the conflicts I’ve seen a number of factors for this form of extremism springing up:

            – War zones – infrastructure has broken down, brutality is common place and people are battle hardened e.g Iraq
            – Low levels of education or literacy
            – Regions of poverty
            – underlying political or sectarian issues
            – Genuine grievances and oppression

            If we understand all these factors then finding solution is easier instead of the lazy answer of blaming a religion. Both Christianity and Judaism contain texts that most people would deem offensive/bigoted and could be used by terrorists to justify their cause.

            We seem to missing the actual debate….Iraq

            1. Bush’s and Blairs absolute stupid invasion with no game plan
            2. Over a decade of extreme brutality and sectarian killings
            3. Poverty has got worse
            4. 300,000-600,000 Iraq deaths
            5. Political strife with the kurds and the Syrians

            The conditions are ripe for the modern day Khmer Rouge ISS to spring up……

            Make sense?

          • nhbuckeye

            Actually your points on Judaism and Christianity are totally off the mark. There is absolutely no justification for terrorism in the Old or New Testaments, and I would gladly go toe-to-toe on a discussion about that. Secondly, you claim that people are making sweeping generalizations about Islam, yet you use the term “right wing nutters”. That makes it very tough to take you seriously. You do exactly the same thing that you complain about. What’s more, you claim that people in Levant are angry at the West for war-mongering, yet you have no compassion for westerners in their fears, anger, in reaction to Muslim aggression (9/11, Charlie Hebdo, the Jewish grocery store in France, the beheadings in Oklahoma last summer, Fort Hood, dozens of attempts to blow up planes, and on and on and on). Thirdly, it is well-understood across the world that the vast majority of Islam is peaceful. If it weren’t, the 2 billion Muslims would have either overrun the entire world by now or would continually keep the non-Muslim world at war. So your point can be distilled into you don’t like that people feel threatened by Islam. But let’s explore the threat. ISIS is killing, maiming, enslaving, and raping in the name of Allah and has created a caliphate. That’s Islam, whether it’s your brand of Islam or not, it’s still Islam. Sure, we can chalk it up to war, poverty, lack of education, but they aren’t. They call themselves jihadists and claim a caliphate. They are fighting because they fully believe the Koran says they ought to, so say they. You can debate on whether or not the Koran teaches these things, but they think it does and say so vociferously and fight viciously. There are also plenty of jihadists who are well-educated, have had non-jihadist jobs, and come from well-off families from around world from what everything I learn about specific jihadists, including the hijackers of 9/11, bin Laden, Jihad John on these insane ISIS videos, etc. And whether some Muslims are practicing FGM or not (where we started with all this), ISIS and Muslims around the globe practice Sharia Law which is subjugates women and treats them like second-class citizens at best. So it’s not ignorant to think that there are bad things that happen in the world because of Islam. Now you might not like that non-Muslims find some practitioners of Islam to be threatening because they are Muslims, but it isn’t nutty or even the West’s fault that ISIS, Al Queda, Boka Haram, Hamas, et. al. do what they do. They do it because they think they are right, and they use the Koran as their foundation for their principles and corresponding actions. Poverty, lack of education, war, etc, surely have their influence, but none of them have the same influence of the Koran as told to us by the jihadists themselves. Plenty of people from war-torn countries don’t cut off people’s heads because they don’t have a job. They don’t kidnap hundreds of Christian schoolgirls and try to force them into Muslim marriages because they grew up in a war-zone. They don’t throw acid on the faces of girls going to school because of poverty. They don’t crucify people, burn people alive in cages, bury children alive, or shoot rockets from hospitals and schools so the enemy won’t shoot back because the number of Iraqis who have died. No, the people doing these heinous acts are self-proclaimed jihadists, claiming to be serving the Prophet. Surely, not ALL of Islam is reflected by these groups, not most, not half. But some are, and surely this is obvious to everyone, including you. So should we turn a blind eye? Should we lay our heads down for the executioner’s blade? Should we pour money into the jihadists hands as a peace offering? How exactly do you negotiate with a person who thinks you should be dead? What exactly do you think the solution is? Not blame Islam? That’s a non-point because it doesn’t matter. We have enemies who will not be assuaged, and because we can’t fix it the why they are the enemy becomes irrelevant. So is it really so ignorant or wrong to be angry or fearful about an enemy who has no interest in your humanity whatsoever because of how they interpret words in a book?

          • klay12

            Seriously you think my comments are way off the mark? Have you read the bible, torah or Talmud texts? If you do not think these texts haven’t been used to justify violence and oppression then I’d suggest looking around the world today and over the past few thousand years.

            The fundamentalist christians today in the USA scare me. Anti-abortion killers? The support of extreme Christian groups of Israel doesn’t have its roots in religion as well as other geopolitical reasons?

            Israel continues to justify its occupation and denigration of the Palestinain land and people based on historical biblical rights to the land. Its quoted again and again as the reason that the Jews have the rights to the land.

            I concur there is no justification for terrorism in the bible but that doesn’t stop people misquoting the texts to justify their aims does it? There is no justification for violence in the quran but that doesn’t stop extreme groups misusing it. And before you quote texts from the quran to prove me wrong, I suggest you read a Tafsir of the quran that shows that the quran is referring to specific historical events and not blanket justifications for violence anytime and anywhere.

            I have compassion for the victims of all terrorism including the Charlie Hebdo victims and the Jewish victims in the supermarket. What makes you think otherwise? The beheadings in Oklahoma have NOTHING to do with Islam and I’m actually sick of comments that try and lump this into the global terrorism issue. That was a revenge attack by a individual but the fact that he happened to be muslim has not stopped people making that link. My family and I live in London and I’m terrified of terrorism but I am not stupid enough to blame just a religion for all of this. Our governments actions and foreign policy are a direct contributor to the issues and multiple think tanks, M16 and CIA have made the same points. I am not the only one to think this.

            My point isn’t that I don’t like people feeling threatened by Islam, its that ignorance of what the real threat is the real danger and that’s what I don’t like. Correlation doesn’t mean causation.

            ISIS does NOT represent Islam and that’s my point. They carry out actions that are clearly against Islamic teachings and in fact they don’t even pretend to hide behind Islamic theology to justify their actions. They are more akin to the Kymer Rouge. That is NOT Islam. Time and time again many of the terrorist groups have called out why they’re fighting and it isn’t just to create caliphate – Bin Laden and multiple terrorists have cited Western foreign policy and aggression as a major factor. Have you seriously not heard this?

            Many of the factors causing the subjugation of woman also exist in Christian countries such as Africa. It’s not confined to Islam. Have you ever been to India and see how in a Hindu dominated country its makes not only woman second class citizens but also people from lower castes? You seriously think this is the fault of just religion? Its related to the factors I mentioned in a previous post.

            If you really think many of the actions you’ve described are confined to Islam then I’d suggest reading a bit more widely. If you also think that our governments actions are not a major factor then I suggest you look at the last thousand years of history. Since the second world war we’ve interfered in every oil country in the world. We have invaded and killed millions of people in many of the lands that are now causing issues and your disingenuous and one dimensional argument is that religion is to blame? I suggest that is extreme naivety and ignorance of history and geopolitical factors. People are people regardless of race, colour or creed. My last 20 years of travelling around the world have confirmed this for me first hand. Do i think religion is a factor? Yes, do I think its the root cause and only factor? No.

            My suggestion would be open up your eyes a bit to understand why we’re under attack today.

          • nhbuckeye


            So, let’s sum up your arguments.
            1. I’m ignorant because I don’t agree with you.
            2. All this violence in the Middle East has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with colonialism, poverty, and lack of education, so the only people at fault are the Europeans/Americans.
            3. Christian fundamentalists scare you…just because.
            4. Injustice across the world means that, extreme injustice in a single place is somehow excusable or just not really as bad as it looks.

            Did I get you right? Did I miss anything?

          • klay12

            Your actually distorting what I said but don’t let facts get in the way of your attempt to summarise my points.

            1. Your ignorant not because you don’t agree with me but because you take an overly simplistic view of the world and one dimensional view of religion.

            2. I said there are multiple factors causing the issues of the Middle East not just religion. The local people are to blame as are the people who attempted to shape the Middle East eg bush.

            3. You made the point that Christianity and Judaism were benign and never involved in violence contrary to Islam. I merely gave you examples to the contrary.

            4 I’m not going to grace this point with an answer.

            Once again you attempt to oversimplify a view point which is little wonder you’ve zero grasp of the underlying factors causing global conflicts. I guess we’re done debating.

          • nhbuckeye

            I just read this again. Please understand that I do not think Islam is solely to blame, however, ISIS rests on Islam. They think they are Islamic. My point is that you divorce Islam from what is happening, and I object to that. I have not blamed Islam solely at any time, my point has been that Islam cannot be extracted from what is happening. Not because I know much about Islam. I don’t pretend to. But the perpetrators of these crimes are doing these things in the name of Islam, like it or not.

          • Brettwashere

            You hit the nail on the head when you said “geopolitical reasons”: In the year 800, during Christmas mass, Charlemagne (Karolus Magna) was dubbed Caesar and August by Pope Leo. This was the relationship that Europe and the Church had for the next 800 years.
            By 1095, Spain had been conquered by the Muslims and Manzikurt had fallen in Anatolia. Alexios Komnena sent emissaries to the Council of Piacenza (1095) to plead with Pope Urban II for help.

            Pope Urban II quickly convened the Council of Clermont (1095) in which he bade his Christian brethren to undertake a pilgrimage to the Holy Sepulcher (Jerusalem), set the example in piety, refrain from Simony and suffer the indignities of want (poverty, starvation, persecution) as our savior suffered the scourges through narrow streets.

            He then bade the congregation of bishops and clergy, upon arrival you bore the cross (Christainity) on your forehead and breast (heart and mind) and upon leaving this Council, you must bear the cross upon your back. Urban II then quoted a verse from the Book of Matthew “and he who will not pick up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me”.

            In short, the Pope never called Christians to war: the same Great German Pilgrimage was attempted in 1064. All eyewitnesses (Muslim and Christian) suggest that the First Crusade was from desperation and survival and not from any Christian tenet.
            Source books like Gesta Fracorum et Aliorum Heirosolyminatorum, Bernhold of Constance’s Chronicon, the various Rex Annales and the Greek Alexiad (written by Alexios Komnena’s daughter Anna) are the European accounts that, ostensibly, have no Muslim accounts.
            Had the Christian pilgrims’ male horses not scared away the female horses of the Seljuk archers at Dorylaeaum the pilgrims would have all been slaughtered.
            Had not the Christian pilgrims committed acts of cannibalism, when besieged at Ma’arma, they would have starved and died.
            Had the pilgrims not effected a great slaughter in Jerusalem, they would have been content to be walled into Jerusalem with an enemy, who they themselves had just besieged, while a large Egyptian army laid siege to the pilgrims.
            In all aspects, there is no Christian justification, in the example of Jesus or otherwise, to commit acts of terrorism or murder – these were done on a more secular level as an affair of state or survival.

          • Jasmin Chambers

            While I have not agreed with you on all you have stated, I too am a biologist so not so with you on the genetic thing, but I could not have articulated any better why we need to take this Islamic threat seriously. A fanatic really isn’t interested in appeasement, they have an agenda. If they are not going to have mercy on an infant or a toddler, what chance have you got? They have been groomed since being able to think, how they are told, what to believe, who to hate, who does not deserve to live. Do you think by the time these children reach puberty, cutting off someone’s head would be a problem? Look at how proud he is—12 year old boy’s first beheading.


          • Brettwashere

            I couldn’t agree more, I too am a molecular biologist from the University of Maryland and did my Graduate work at John’s Hopkins University.

            The March of Dimes does good work as the preeminent champion of birth defects in the world. As biologists we recognize the difference between epigenetics and genetics.

            I also understand critical theory and the arguments of the left – not being grounded in much empirical evidence – but more toward criticizing US foreign and domestic policy.

            As any confidence man will tell us: the first rule of running the scam is “tell them what they want to hear”.

          • Brettwashere

            Much of what you say is true – but I would make a philosophical suggestion that you are free to accept or disregard. In any sense, I am flattered that you would consider this:
            Herodotus was a contemporary of Socrates and broke from Homeric tradition, of spinning a narrative, and made reporting of history a process of investigation:

            1. Gather artifacts and eyewitness writings.
            2. Test for period and bias respectively.
            3. Construct a vivid narrative, in light of your findings, supported by artifacts and using contemporaneously trending thought (eg. Pilgrims and Calvinism).

            As far as the tenets of Islam go, we can ask whether Islamic source books (eg. Qur’an, Sahih Hadiths, Sirrah) are “islamophobic”?

            This is important – because I postulate that it is safe to generalize that all Muslims believe that the Qur’an is the literal word of Allah – spoken to Muhammad, by Gabriel, in first person and active tense.

            Second, is the term “Islamophobia” a clinical “social phobia” listed in the DSM-5 and will treatment (eg. exposure therapy and antianxiety medicine) work? Or, is “Islamophobia” used as a pejorative to stigmatize critics and bully them into silence?

            Third, while it is true that 20% of the world is Muslim, can the fallacy of argumentum ad populum be applied here? Understanding that most of the world considered that the world was flat a few centuries ago.

            Are these reasonable questions in your opinion?

          • klay12

            I have to say this is probably the longest period of time I’ve spent on a debate, so if nothing else, you have stamina!

            I did indeed ponder your points. Yes I agree Muslims do consider the Quran the literal word of God, so yes this generalisation is valid. But if we read the Quran carefully, along with an appropriate contextual narrative (e.g. Tafsir) then one realises that the Quran outlaws many of the things that the Islamic terrorist groups claim is the meaning of the word of God.

            The term Islamaphobia is a term used to describe an irrational fear of Islam and yes i do believe it has negative connotations but then I have no time for blind and negative biases against a race, colour or creed.

            My point that 20% of the worlds population is Muslim is not say that because so many people believe its valid or right, but rather that its a fact on the ground and we have to deal with it. Stigmatising their religion is unhelpful and dangerous. To misinterpret their religion to legitimise the argument that all Muslims are bad is also an outright lie and frankly a very bigoted viewpoint.

            I have studied a number of global conflicts, and what strikes me is the commonality between many of them. They are driven by the factors I’ve highlighted in my previous posts rather than religious factor – religion does play a part, but it is not the major or only factor.

          • Brettwashere

            Yes, the Qur’an does proscribe harsh punishments for things like corruption in the land (fasad fee al ardh) and theft of things more valuable than a shield – but one must also realize, as you say, the context.

            As a matter of Islamic jurisprudence or Fiqh, no Muslim can be held to account in equal retribution (quisas) for a crime committed against a non-Muslim.

            Also, men are in charge of women – whose testimony is only worth half that of a man.

            Islamophobe is not an actual phobia – but a pejorative only. If you are a non-Muslim your worries of Islam are not irrational: ask any non-Muslim living in a Muslim country.

            I never inferred, while all Muslims follow the Qur’an, that all Muslims are bad. More accurately, based on my observations, I find this very profound:

            Not all Christians are perfect – Jesus was
            Not all Muslims are terrorists – Muhammad was.

          • klay12


            If you are going to make statements like “Not all Christians are perfect – Jesus was
            Not all Muslims are terrorists – Muhammad was.”

            Then we’re done talking. Apart from being historically inaccurate, that is a nothing more than a deliberately offensive comment,

            Good bye.

          • Brettwashere

            klay12, it would be wrong of me to cherry-pick the Qur’an, the Sahih Hadiths and the Sirat Rasoolullah to find offensive verses or narratives – but one must look a Muhammad holistically and give an honest assessment:

            On the good side, Muhammad was a reformer who made female infanticide and the eating of carrion a haram instance. He united a disparate group of tribal desert nomads under one banner.

            However, one shouldn’t cherry-pick the good things either: they should relate the last ten years of Muhammad’s life: the ghazwah and the sariyyah that included no less than 100 raids and battles. Nor should we overlook the 180 degree turn, upon arrival to Medina (Q 2:106) and the methods he used.

            Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

            Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220 :


          • Shinku

            Mohammed was a warlord.. Do you think he was spreading love and forgiveness while he conquered and raided Jewish towns? Seriously?

          • klay12

            Wow, what a profound addition to the debate….not. Can I suggest you actually go and read a bit of history before you try and simplify the facts to a one liner hyperbolic statement.

          • Shinku

            Well first instead of telling me to do YOUR job maybe you should do your job first. ie. Tell me your vast knowledge of pre-islamic history. Before telling me to do it for you.

            Pro-top I still win. Mohammed is a terrorist and you are an idiot for even challenging that basic historical fact.

            You know how discussions and debates work. Rebuttle. Not prattling like an inferior pseudo intellectual.

            Any moron can sit here and wax poetic about how silly your debate sounds like. But that’s what morons do.

          • Shinku

            Sure here is Mohammed’s exploits all the way till his death in one nice SIMPLIFIED historical sound bites.

            570 – Born in Mecca
            576 – Orphaned upon death of mother
            595 – Marries Kadijah – older, wealthy widow
            610 – Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
            619 – Protector uncle dies
            622 – Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
            623 – Orders raids on Meccan caravans
            624 – Battle of Badr (victory)
            624 – Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
            624 – Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
            624 – Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
            624 – Orders the assassination of Ka’b al-Ashraf
            625 – Battle of Uhud (defeat)
            625 – Evicts Nadir Jews
            627 – Battle of the Trench (victory)
            627 – Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
            628 – Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
            628 – Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
            629 – Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
            630 – Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
            631 – Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
            632 – Mohammed Dies

            now shut up.

          • klay12

            What does your list prove or show? Sorry but its this non-contextualised narrative that is unhelpful. All it shows is you can cut and paste from somewhere. Whooppee. Well done. on learning how to use a computer.

            Your attempt to portray a narrative that suits your agenda is quite disingenuous.

            I’ll happily rely on a reputable historian than your BS. Goodbye.

          • j only ringo

            The majority of F.G.M. is carried out by Christian , YOU STUPID FUKING IDIOT

          • klay12

            You really ought to learn to spell before venting your spleen – its “fucking” not “fuking”. “The majority of F.G.M. is carried out by Christian” – who actually said this? Maybe you should learn to also read too.

          • Brettwashere

            Yet, it is Christians who are leading the drive to stop it – against Muslim opposition – citing shari’a as their reason.
            We do get the notion that it is now customary in many parts of the world and practiced by all walks in those regions.

            The custom should be abandoned – but, as a matter of religion – some will cling to this custom as a religious obligation… certainly Christians cannot make this claim.

          • Arekushieru

            That didn’t answer what he was saying. Sorry.

          • Brettwashere

            It answered exactly and refuted exactly what he was saying.

          • Arekushieru

            Nope, it did not. Genetic diversity and terrorism are two different things. TBSVFS.

          • Brettwashere

            You need to look through the thread – because you are creating a straw-man argument.

            Of course genetic diversity and terrorism are two different things.

          • Arekushieru

            I did. You responded with a straw man argument. And I replied to it. If you have a problem with strawman arguments, don’t make one.

          • Brettwashere

            My argument was adding a qualitative criteria to terrorist attacks: specifically, was anyone killed. I used the same FBI data that the article used.

            The article gives the same weight to “destruction of property” as the 911 attacks on a 1:1 ratio. I am arguing that the two are not even in the same ballpark. Spray paint is not equal to the deaths of three thousand people.

            My argument is neither false or divergent from the data used in the article – therefore not a straw man.

          • Jubeii

            Ehh, are you joking? Or just racist? I know you are dumb as you state that exploding radioactive waste is good for you. Bet those soliders with The Gulf Syndrome agree with me. Read a book sometime, and I do not talk about fiction (Bible, LOTR, etc) Try an old science classic like Darwin’s works or if you do not like reading, try propper history documentaries like Cosmos, not Youtube propaganda. There are also sites that let you watch history lectures from excellent universities for free. This is if you have the time and capasity. I also recommend a library card

          • Brettwashere

            Capacity is the word you are looking for. What race is Islam? The last I looked Islam was an entire societal system that covers:
            Law = Shari’a
            Economics = Ribah
            Geography = Darul Islam / Darul Harb
            Politics = Caliphate

            I’m not big into propaganda: I would rather read the Qur’an and ply tafsir. As far as science goes – maybe you have the capacity to understand this:

            “And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.”

            ~ Genesis 1


          • Joe Swharta

            God created man, then rested.
            Then God created women
            and since then
            neither God nor man
            has rested.

            end of story.

          • Karen

            Dude you misspelled “proper” while you were trying to make yourself look smarter than someone else. That’s funny! PS Darwin wrote some entertaining fiction. It’s a theory, in case you haven’t heard, not scientific law.

          • nhbuckeye

            Ooooooo, a science worshipper. Nice!

          • Icorps1970

            For those who do not understand “leftist jargon” by using the word “racist” he is telling you that you are irrelevant and should shutup. Gulf War Syndrome was largely the result of toxic factors in the air, including but not limited to the Saudis fogging American Camps with DDT so heavily that the Americans would wear their gas masks so they could breath. Then the pollutants from burning oil wells. For the depleted uraniaum see

          • Icorps1970

            For further explanation of liberal jargon meaning “shutup” see

          • Exquisite Corpse

            Depleted uranium is highly toxic: It still emits alpha particles, which are stopped by something as thin as a sheet of paper.

            But they are NOT stopped by something as thin as the walls of the cell membrane in your lungs. Breathe in some depleted uranium dust and you’ll get microscopic particles lodged in your lungs where the alpha particles they emit can easily disrupt DNA leading to mutations.

          • Frankie Rufolo

            There is nothing wrong with being inbred. It’s horribly wrong to be mean to anyone because of something they cannot help or to judge an entire religion by the actions of the few.

          • nldel5

            IF you goggle INBRED in the islam world there are MANY scientific articles and study’s showing how it has and continues to hurt children. Many are born with deformities and ill health. The have connected this to some of the suicide bombers in the mental health area and inbreeding. Please wake up and stop with the comments that are NOT true to life…most study’s they have been able to do on the brains of these bombers showed they where horribly depressed and hence easy to manipulate. So not only does islam muder innocent people BUT they abuse the disabled.

          • Cynthia

            Hey sucker, way to ruin what could have been a serious discussion about how terrorism in America is 94% not caused by Muslim Extremists but, other extremist groups. Nice job I hope you proved how smart you are. All you proved to me is how easily you could be baited into an senseless discussion with an annoying cun^.

          • nldel5

            I surly would NOT talk about being inbred when it is the muslims who marry their own family members… As far as FGM it IS ok by most muslim clerics and Mohammed himself OK it Better to read your own book again and stop with the lies OH yeah I forget our own BOOK allows you to lie…

          • Brettwashere
          • The Mouse

            My pedophilic Islamist… you seem to have conveniently left out of all those examples of Christian and Jewish atrocities and modern bigotry on behalf of them that when those fundamentalist loonies of our faiths make those bigoted comments; they are merely just that; thoughts. And when those on the Christian Right (the few very that exist) that try to murder abortion doctors; they get punished to the highest degree. Most Christians don’t go around beheading infidels, gays, women in mini-skirts and so on and so forth. Can’t say the same for those Muslims living under Sharia Law! The difference, if you can listen to Aayan Hirsi Ali’s arguments is that Christianity and Judaism have undergone a modern Renaissance and have evolved constantly over the past few decades and centuries. We no longer believe it is right to keep slaves, bash gays, punish or torture “witches” and adulterers. We have a separation of church and state and base our punishments on civil law; not some holy book. That is where Islam is behind; they want to force Islam on their people (though the Islamist apologists claim there is “no compulsion in religion”; which is bulls*it!) and Christian minorities, atheists, those that question Islam. Anyone in an Islamic country who dares question Islam will be threatened with death. Any Muslim who disagrees is either a lunatic in denial or just a plain lunatic. Oh, as for child brides? They still marry young girls in many parts of the Middle East and Asia. That is illegal in the West. You can deny it all you want, but Islam encourages pedophilia.

          • Curtis Scarbrough

            Most Muslims also don’t go around blowing up buildings, beheading infidels etc etc etc.

          • SoCalMike

            Most Germans and Russians weren’t Communists and Fascists but that didn’t stop the 2 from murdering a couple hundred MILLION people during the century.

          • John

            A couple of hundred million killed by Russian communists and Nazis? Where do you get your info from, MSNBC, Media Matters, or some other highly reliable source like the fools infesting the White House? Hitler killed 6-8 million Jews and Stalin killed about 20 -22 million people, just a little short of the hundreds of millions you claim. Whereas the wonderful religion of peace is estimated to have murdered between 300 and 600 million infidels, all in the name of their pedophile…opps, prophet, Mohammad the mass murder. All of these numbers are easily found online from various sources, unlike your hundreds of millions by Stalin and Hitler, even if you include those killed by the Chinese you’re still less then 75 million or so.

            You are no doubt using the Fuzzy Math part of the progressive philosophy to explain things ” if you can’t dazzle them with diamonds, baffle them with bullshit”

          • Arekushieru

            And who do Muslims kill mostly? Other Muslims. Oops.

          • nhbuckeye

            There is the Sunni-Shi’ite divide, Muslims who differ in their interpretations of the Koran. They kill each other because they think they are each apostate. Apostates are supposed to be killed, according to the Koran.

          • iplazz

            That is 100% false, the split between Shia and Sunni is that Sunnis follow the Sahaba while Shia follows Ahl al Bayt.
            Most of the Sunni-Shia conflicts are because of who wants to rule.

          • nhbuckeye

            So it’s not about being apostate? Because that’s what the Koran teaches, isn’t it?

          • Icorps1970

            They seem to be doing quite well against Christians in Africa and the middle east. Of course many of the women are not killed but sold as sex slaves for harems. History is not on their side. See

          • Shinku

            Right because most of the Jews and Christians were either converted (then killed AS muslims) or left. You do know Mecca used to be a Jewish city right?

          • Arekushieru

            So? How does this dispute my point. Muslims are former Jews then which doesn’t change my point. AT ALL.

          • Brettwashere

            Mecca used to be idol worshiping pagans and cultists – it’s why Muslims pray to the Kaaba today – but Arabia used to be Jewish or Ebionite Christian.

          • j only ringo

            oh shut up you silly little cunt , they killed hundreds of millions you complete fukwit

          • dougiefresh85

            Mao in China helped out with that number.

          • Icorps1970

            Communists murdered in one way or another, from shots to the head to gov’t sponsored starvation, 100 million +- of their own civilians during the 20th C. A great many were by Stalin. Then we have Mao and Pol Pot and a few other minor murderers, maybe only 100000 or so apiece. Then we have the death toll from the Communists oppressing South Viet Namand the attempt on South Korea. If we count the toll caused by the communist aggression in the 50s-60 and pre 1975 in VN its pretty impressive. We really don’t know the post 1975 toll in Viet Nam In reality due to their secretive nature we have not real idea how many have died as a direct result of gov’t sanctioned killings of various kinds and the starvation that often accompanies Communism rising to power. Famine has been common in the Communist world and could easily double the 100 million figure. How about this?

          • Brettwashere

            100 million is a good number. The Black Book of Communism enumerates the numbers in detail. Communism, Marxism and Socialism are all one in the same and hinges on control of the means of production (or at least it’s profits).

          • Tannenhouser

            that’s the most incorrect thing I have read in awhile. No wonder things are so screwed up when we call dogs ducks we only fool ourselves. Good Day

          • Brettwashere

            That’s an argument?

            It’s the most correct thing that tens of millions of people died in the discovery. The truth hurts your little Marxist mind and you are in denial.

          • Numbers murdered refer to Communists and Fascists, of which Russians and Germans were only two of the culpable ethnicities.

          • Brettwashere

            Chinese? Can’t forget the great famine of China that killed 40 million more.

          • Brandon

            fuzzy math? like your 300-600 million number? That is even higher than the original bullshitter who already admitted making up his “250 million killed by jihad” number. btw this would have been half the worlds population ormore at the time the OOttoman empire was in power.

          • Brettwashere

            The 300-600 number is too high. the actual number killed and starved by Socialism is roughly 100 million in the 20th Century.

            The 250 million number is actually correct (you can add about 30,000 in 2016) – but it is dispersed over a span of 1,400 years.

          • nhbuckeye

            Actually the German government was socialist, Nazi stands for National Socialist Party. Russia was run by communists, so there’s that. Mussolini was a socialist. Mao was a commie, so were Pol Pot and Che Guevara. And these guys killed a LOT of people.

          • Tim

            Nazis were not socialists. It is so simplistic to look at the name of the party, see the word socialist and lump it on the same side as Marxism. One only has to ask who owned property in Nazis Germany. The vast majority was in private hands. Industrialists could make their fortunes (Ford, Bush, etc).

            Another name for Mussolini’s fascist state was Corporatism, which is defined as a state where there is an intimate relationship between the state and big business. This is hardly socialism, as a socialist state would look to abolish private property via confiscation

          • nhbuckeye

            Okay, but socialism can be achieved without state ownership but through regulation. It’s a bit more complicated than that. And if you look issue-by-issue, Nazis and the American Left share nearly every single side of those issues. I don’t really care that much about the academic differences between socialism, communism, Marxism, and progressivism. Their realities are close enough to be highly similar in that they are all totalitarian, large state, control in the hands of the few, and individual freedom squashed by the vastness and ubiquitous nature of the state. Only lefties have a hard time seeing this.

          • Guest

            Not true. Socialism allows private property, Counism does not.

          • Icorps1970

            The difference in Socialist and Communist is simply a matter of degrees. Both are or naturally lead to totalitarianism.

          • Tannenhouser

            Wrong. Hitler added socialist to the name because socialism was the en vogue ism in Europe at the time. It was a vote grab tactic and had nothing to do with Hitler’s idealogical ism. Good Day

          • Brettwashere

            Hitler controlled the means of production and was therefore socialist.
            Go read a book or a wiki article on the subject.

          • Brettwashere

            There is no difference between socialism and communism – both require control of the means of production.

          • sanity

            But virtually ALL such acts are committed by Muslims, with the “non-violent” usually covering for them.

          • Guest

            They also don’t condemn it.

          • fla6166

            How many do you see stopping the others?

          • Curtis Scarbrough

            How many Christians do you see stopping Christian extremists. Yet nobody, not even I, make the claim that Christians are all terrorists. Yet more terror attacks are carried out by Christians than Muslims. Only difference is, the media only calls you a terrorist if you’re got brown skin or a ‘muslim sounding’ name. At which point they immediately say you’re linked to the terrorist organization of the week.

          • Shinku

            Wrong on all counts. Your definition of terrorism is wrong. You probably consider any acts of War as terrorism. Psht. WE Westerners do not like killing innocent people. Muslims want to kill us ALL because they believe we are NOT innocent. And clearly all the terrorists on this planet are mostly MUSLIM.

          • Curtis Scarbrough

            And this, class, is a textbook example of someone attempting a straw man argument. He claims, without justification, that I call any act of war terrorism, and then proceeds to tear down that argument, because it is easier for him than it would be to actually address statements I have mad. Then he finishes it off with a couple broad generalizations, painting ALL westerners as being ‘good guys’ and ALL Muslims as being ‘bad guys’ which we all know is BS, and the truth is way more complicated than Shinku describes.

          • facts

            You are right. You are mad, mad as a hatter!

          • ssinski

            Does the KKK really have a voice anymore? when dylan roof was shown on TV it had the confederate flag, Did you see the KKK get its voice back and 1milion people join? Nah so is it now we cant show Omar Marteen being seen with his religious affiliation? 0.6% of the created 6% of the terrorist acts thats way out of proportion so you say more is done by christians but your missing out on the most important aspect which is compared to everyone else what percentage of their own population is committing such acts compared to other groups.

          • ssinski

            all theories are not 100% correct so fact is they can weakened easily to say straw man or some sort of logical fallacy just means your trying to argue your argument should not be weaken when in fact it should.

          • facts

            Wow you are simple! Can you prove what you’re saying can you point to one documented piece of evidence for what you are saying? Because I can really quick, just to show you don’t even know what you are talking about! Inventing stuff to argue a point….straw men arguments.

          • grumpiertrucker

            No, but the notion that 99% of Muslims do not support terrorism is not based in fact.
            There have been plenty of polls in the Muslim world. And each one of them shows anywhere from 20%-40% of Muslims support 9/11, the Charlie Hedo massacre and a whole host of other terrorist atrocities.
            And Bill Maher is the only Liberal I’ve seen who speaks honestly about this.

          • Curtis Scarbrough

            Interesting claim. Care to back it up?

          • Shinku

            Most muslims are ignorant of their own religion. True muslims are terrorists.

          • Curtis Scarbrough

            And I take it you DO know the Quran? You probably barely even know your own religion.

          • Curtis Scarbrough

            And I suppose you are more thoroughly educated in the Islamic faith than people who actually follow it? I find that unlikely. How well do you even know your own faith?

          • Jullie Yeatman

            but they don’t stop those who do either. If you knew your neighbor beheaded someone, you would turn him in to the police. But somehow even though these things are all over the internet and Islamic websites, muslims, neighbors, family of these cowards doing the beheadings, do not turn them in to the police. – why is that?

          • Voice_of_Reason

            but about 99.9% of beheadings, car bombs, honor killings, ect etc etc are committed by muslims.

          • ronon


          • Jasmin Chambers

            What are you twelve? Real mature! That’s what you come to a discussion with? Try debating with a little more class like the rest of the adults here.

          • Lucid Meaghan Dhabolt

            ” We have a separation of church and state and base our punishments on
            civil law; not some holy book. That is where Islam is behind; they want
            to force Islam on their people”

            Yeah, because no one in America does the religious right use the bully pulpit to try to ram their archaic views down everyone eases throat or anything :-P.

          • Kharn121

            And no where do progressives not use whatever means necessary to ram their chosen beliefs down everyone elses throat. Cant win at the ballot box, go to the courts. Can win in the courts, ignore the ruling until someone sues you. The left is far more draconian in that respect than any religious group.

          • nhbuckeye

            Which archaic views are those?

          • j only ringo

            all law comes from religious law , you FUCKING STUPID CUNT .

          • Icorps1970

            Define religious right. Define archaic views? Opposing abortion? Opposing gay “marriage” perhaps? TELLING people that a given activity is a sin is not forcing anyone to do anything. Its simply telling people that some things are detrimental and degrade society. For example now there is talk of POST BIRTH “ABORTION” as an add on to “mercy killing” and other forms of murder. This was all foretold during the sexual revolution by the CATHOLIC CHURCH when birth control was invented and then abortion was made a “right” by a delusional SCOTUS. THEN our educational system is so screwed up that it does not teach history but rather teaches a “narrative” that is currently designed to destroy western civilization as we know it. Telling us how bad the US is and was and always will be. Its a lie of course with just enough truth to show that its engineered by a skillful liar.

          • facts

            Allah says there is no better liar than him…kinda makes sense. And why on the last day will king of kings and lord of lords be so awful for Allah? Is it because he knows Christ is coming back on that day wearing that banner to defeat evil once and for all, Allah= lucifer! Compare the two…seriously, it’ll blow you away.

          • Tigger

            “… as for child brides? They still marry young girls in many parts of the Middle East and Asia. That is illegal in the West.”

            Is 12 years old a child bride? It was legal in Spain until very recently to marry a 12 year old female. And as late as the 20th century 12 was an acceptable age for marriage in certain US states as well.

            Of course, the British kings were well into it; Catherine of Aragon was married when she was only 11. And I believe, but can’t be arsed to look it up, that some were married at a much younger age.

          • blahking

            “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female)
            by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male,
            but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris” (in the The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law) I urge all non-muslims to read this book


            No, it is not a right-wing nut-job’s perspective on islam, this is the real manual that many muslim leaders use for court cases and rulings around the world. Horrible. It saddens me how horribly women are still being oppressed, and so called “liberals” stand by out of fear of being labeled as a “bigot”, cowards, you are not liberals, you don’t stand by liberal principles, you don’t stand for human rights, either all you are cowards or uneducated.

          • JeffLawrence

            Who is following those Talmudic credos? ZERO. How many non-Jews are killed by Jews in the name of their religion? ZERO.

            How many believers of muhammud kill non-believers? Tens of thousands. How many “infidels” are killed by the “true believers”? Hundreds of thousands. Islam and its followers are a blight on the world.

          • Steve

            You are comparing medieval islam to medieval christianity. The crap you talk about happens only on the fringe today in christianity but not so with islam whether moderate or radical. You should not get so hotheaded because you can’t figure this out at first just take a breath and pray to your dearest allah that he bestows upon you the ability to think critiquely not just write brainwashed thoughts.

          • sanity

            There is NO raping of anyone allowed in Judaism, at all, ever. You are either lying about everything, or a very gullible fool who has been duped by liars.

            Either way, I’m out of here. Too many little Eichmans filled with hate to stomach any more.

          • Brettwashere

            Yes, we get that FGM is a cultural thing – but strangely it is a cultural thing in the Muslim world and, when criticized in the UNHRC, Egypt and Pakistan moved to quash the proposal citing Shari’a Law.

            Now I have no doubt that some Christians and Animists in North Africa engage in the practice as a cultural rite – but their numbers are small enough to present a token argument,


          • Leo News

            Saudi Royal Family is Jewish! King & Prince are All Jew!
            …just sharing!

          • I have read Leviticus, the Talmud, the Qur’an and the Hadith. I suggest you follow the advice Samuel Langhorne Clemens:

            “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

            Mark Twain

          • “A JEW WHO KILLS A CHRISTIAN COMMITS NO SIN, BUT OFFERS AN ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE TO GOD. ‘Even the best of the non-Jews should be killed.’ (Abhodah Zarah, 26b Tosepoth).”

            Abhodah Zarah, 26b, Tosepoth. Tosepoth is not a part of the Talmud. It is a collection of commentaries on the Talmud. In a passage alluded to by Van Hyning, Tosepoth quotes a Talmudic source as stating that the command of killing all Canaanites was applicable only during the war against them.


          • Max Mendelbaum

            Absolute antiSemitic antiJudaic myths propagated by Neo Nazi, and Islamofacists. I’m sure you could go on with your sick deceptive hate obsession until your sick brain explodes.


          • facts

            Ya….Muhammad married a six year old and is documented to bathe with her and dry hump her leg till he got off since he couldn’t penetrate her…sick. Muhammad ( may piss be apon him) was a demon possessed idiot who gave false prophecy…..he even admitted he have false prophecy, and saying that everyone is demon possessed and he didn’t know if he was going to hell or not! And he died exactly the way he said he would if he was a false prophet…so, have you read your koran? Allah is the greatest liar, the father of lies, oh wait Jesus says the father of lies is satan. So the only real question is how many times was this fool tricked in his life?

          • Brettwashere

            Agreed Princeton,

            The Qur’an is subject to archaic Arabic (al Fashah) chronological disarray (eg. Chapter 96 is the first Chapter) and the doctrine of abrogation set forth in the first Medina Chapter (verse 2:106) – so context is deliberately hidden by Muslims.

            The most profound of the Jewish and Christian tenets is not abrogation – but to love Y-WH and to love your neighbor.

            That context is not hidden – but spelled throughout.

          • Ilias Mir

            Your attempts at downing Islam is futile, no one takes to negativity. This is negativity. Quoting quran verses and talking like your an expert of the quran will only do the opposite of the goal you’re attempting to achieve.

          • JeromeD

            This may be thread necromancy, but I want to congratulate you on succinctly summing up the loony islamist position.

            Relevant portion:
            “Your attempts at downing Islam [are] futile. . .Quoting quran verses. . .will only do the opposite of the goal you’re attempting to achieve.”

            Translation: “I’m not going to listen to you, and I don’t care if you quote the Quran word-for-word and it proves you right!”

          • blahking

            That is how fundamental believers of Islam argue, Islam rejects logic.

          • samuelstorns

            religion rejects logic.

          • BrS

            Otherwise kill them.

          • samuelstorns

            I assume you wish to throw out the entire old testament then? Or at least very large chunks of it? I don’t think killing innocent children is loving thy neighbor, or love from the deity for that matter.

          • Brettwashere

            That is interesting that you mentioned the Old Testament: Most people can look at the Ten Commandments of Exodus and the Ten Commandments of Deuteronomy and recognize the Priestly Canon or Rabbinical Mishnah.

            Yes, most of it has indeed been thrown out since the First Century and Christians and Jews no longer stone people for adultery.

            The Qur’an is different: it is the literal word of Allah – spoken in first person – and there is no chance of abolishing it except through abrogation or later, conflicting, verses of the Qur’an.

            The Qur’anic authority for the doctrine of abrogation is set forth by verse 2:106: Al ayatu nansikha w’al mansukh (the abrogated and the abrogating verse).


          • samuelstorns

            Yes indeed I hear that argument about the old testament no longer applying or whatever. But the fact is that IT IS the same God as the new. So throw it out and ignore it all one wants, but the fact remains it IS the same God.

            I don’t really understand the relevance of first person or not. The Bible is taken as the word of God, first, second, or third person not withstanding.

          • Brettwashere

            Lmao! Sorry for laughing – but the bible only has a few first person quotes from god. The Ten Commandments in Exodus and Matthew “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

            The Bible includes Mishnah (priest law) psalms (poetry) apocryphal writing (statements or claims that are of dubious authenticity) and epistles (commentary)

            There are also the prophets – regarding ALL the law and ALL the prophets, the most profound and broadly reaching verse of Christianity is this:

            Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

            36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

            37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


          • samuelstorns

            Again what is the relevance? The Bible is the word of God, regardless of who said or wrote what.

            The few that are there sure are good ones…

            The LORD then gave these

            further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath
            day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It
            helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the
            Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who
            works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but
            the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD
            considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’

          • Brettwashere

            What you are citing is from Deuteronomy. Yehovah did say to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (Exodus 20) but the rest is rabbinical Mishnah or Church laws that have subsequently been abolished by the Sanhedrin.

            When has a Christian or Jew last stoned an adulterer?

          • samuelstorns

            That’s a great point you make. Followers pick and choose what they want to follow, which pretty much defeats the purpose. By doing so one is just making up their own religion at that point. Or men like the Sanhedrin just make up new stuff.

          • Brettwashere

            Christian exegesis (interpretation) is an art – though there is no Church who uses Rabbinical Canon or Mishnah in Deuteronomy. (Or Jewish for the most part).

            When God said “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy” he didn’t say how to keep it holy – so Rabbis designed the 39 Melakhot or 39 forbidden acts during the Sabbath and the punishments.

            Think of them as an ancient ordinance constructed by wise men – an ordinance that can be subsequently abolished by wise men without abolishing the commandment “remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.”

            No Christians or Jews kill someone for mowing their grass on Sunday – because that is not God’s commandment and never was.

            A Covenent with god is B’rith. The priestly ordinance is called Mishnah and the Bible is very clear on that.

            Islamic tafseer is a science – so there is no room for interpretation. Famous Mutasfira are Abdullah Ibn Abbas, Ibn Kathir and, in the Urdu Language, Madoudi.

            Do the interpretations vary between these exegetical writers? No- they don’t.

          • samuelstorns

            I provided a first person quote from the LORD as to what should happen on the Sabbath. There is no interpretation you can make that isn’t twisted logic. What the LORD said is plain as day or in legalese, it is right there in plain language, no interpretation necessary. So the LORD absolutely said how to keep it holy, and what the consequences should be for not doing so. Not only did the LORD say it, the LORD felt so strongly the LORD said, “I repeat…”

          • Brettwashere

            You aren’t reading. Of course it is the same god.

            Not everything in the bible is the literal word of God and it’s easy to tell between the two. If you want the Ten Commandments – go to Exodus 20 – not Deuteronomy.

            For example, Bibles of Eastern Orthodoxy don’t include the Apocrypha from John of Patmos or the Book of Revelation.

            First person is when God is speaking directly and is the literal word of God. The entire Qur’an is Allah speaking in first person.

          • Brettwashere

            Nobody is talking about throwing out the entire Old Testament – but most of the Rabbinical Mishnah has been already thrown out.

            Killing innocent children isn’t loving thy neighbor. Our enemy kills a lot of innocent children, intentionally, from 2004 Beslan school hostage crisis and the 2014 Peshawar school massacre – to using children as human shields.

            Killing children is one of many reasons why the US fights them.

          • Jubeii

            Do you mean love yahwe? He seems like a terrible man made curse…Judaism, christianity, Islam are all rip off of other older religions and everybody in this industry are charlatans and the greatest grave robbers the world has seen. If you cut out provable faults in these text, they would be as long as the Story of Italian War Heroes. Two pages only

          • Brettwashere

            If you spell it phonetically, the correct pronunciation is Yehovah. W, in most languages is pronounced with a hard V.

            Judaism never had another religion and there were never idols of Yehovah discovered in archeology.

            The name had been used in the first temple period as the god of the Jews at Katef Hinnom. As for El, it was used, after the Babylonian captivity, only as a generic term.

            Allah is not Yehovah in any dimension. The Arabs, around the Kaaba, didn’t have a monotheist history before Islam – so they stole Jewish history… they did a poor job of it too.

          • Cynthia

            How is it that a seemingly intelligent person cannot speak or reflect on this issue without resorting to some sort of taunt of another’s beliefs. To have the balls to add the last line. You’re some manipulative ****.

          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti

            yes it does, noahide laws do, as for the Islamic faith, Sunni Islam does not embody genital mutilation or decapitation , the Shiite faith ( inspired by Persians)
            on the other hand does

          • Please provide references for your statement that Jewish tradition teaches decapitation.

          • Lucid Meaghan Dhabolt

            “Nor does it command death for infidels,…,”

            Uh you want to try again there?

          • Brettwashere

            Even if it were some archaic Rabbinical misnah, the proof is in the pudding: they aren’t doing it now. Much of the old law had been abolished and we don’t see stoning as a commonplace thing.

            I believe the practice was abolished in Sanhedrin 40(a).

          • As for the numbers game, the manipulations are everywhere. As the old adage goes: “Figures lie, and liars figure.”

          • Brian Pan

            Christianity advocates male genital mutilation.

          • Finland

            well said

          • Brettwashere

            Ancient rabbinical canon or mishna is not the same as the commandments or covenant to love G-d and love your neighbor.

            I think that the Sanhedrin stopped stoning adulterers in the 1st century BC.

            Muslims haven’t – yet they engage in polygamy: which, in itself, is adultery.

            ~ Qur’an 33:50-59

          • The Mouse

            Exactly! Who cares if Christians or Jews killed (or have passages in their texts that are violent or promote violence and depravity), forced converted, maimed, tortured millions over the centuries. That’s in the past and the mainstream churches, including past Popes, have all asked for forgiveness and renounced their past crimes because truly, it was all unbiblical. Even slavery was denounced and segregation ended in this country in the last 150 years. Women given the vote; need I say more? Progress my Muslim friends… progress. It is something your faith does not want or seem to want because it is anti-Koran and unIslamic to give women, gays, atheists, Christian converts basic human rights and freedom of expression.

            No Christian in any Western nation advocates beheading gays or adulterers but prayers for them. They may try to legislate their morality or vote in their Christian beliefs BUT there is a separation of church and state that we value and uphold; something Muslims do not and neither want as it is unIslamic. I am a gay atheist, but I’d rather live in a Western Christian majority nation than any Islamic nation; that’s for sure! That alone should tell you Muslims something about freedom and how your faith is not peaceful or democratic but hateful and backward.

          • BrS

            I see that separation of church and state every time I look at a bank note or enter a court.

            Yes, we’ve somewhat managed to reduce the power of those religious nuts, but that doesn’t stop them from continuing to try to roll things back to being what they consider Biblical.

            So it took 1800 years or so for Christians to get civilised. Let’s hope it doesn’t take Muslims as long.

          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti

            actually with the Muslims, there were civilized and then things went haywire, when you urinated in buckets and threw them outside your windows, we had toilets, we invented them.

          • blahking

            …… I don’t see it. seems like the hindus were doing it long before

          • samuelstorns

            Hateful and backward to who? These things are subjective and determined by perception.

          • nldel5

            Are you a terrorist sympathizer once or many times?

          • Myra Adel Al Tikreeti
          • cavetrollhead

            upholding the teachings o The Talmud equals upeholding the jewish nations right to exist and for jews to not be pushed into the sea?

          • Charli03

            Actually, neither does the Qur’an. Like the old testament of the Bible (written by Jews) that is vicious, cold blooded and bloody, the Qur’an has an equivalent of the Old Testament. Like Christians, most Muslims are more in line with the teachings of the New Testament. Jews have a name for Christians – goys = cattle. Jewish Commandments: #6 – EXODUS 20:13 You shalt not kill.
            Abhodah Zarah (25b)T: Even the best of the Goim should be killed.
            Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth: “A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God.”
            Alkut Simoni (245c): A Jew shedding the blood of a Christian is offering a sacrifice to God.
            Hilkhoth Akum(X,2) — Baptized Jews are to be put to death
            Iore Dea (158, 1): Christians who are not Jews’ enemies must also die.
            Iore Dea(158,2)Hag. — Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
            Livore David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”
            Makkoth (7b): Innocent of murder if intent was to kill a Christian
            Sanhedrin (59a) & Abohodah Zarah 8-6: “Every goy [non-Jew] who studies the Talmud and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die.”
            Schulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 388: “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”
            Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
            Zohar (11 43a): Extermination of Christians necessary.
            Zohar (I,25a) — Christians are to be destroyed as idolators.
            Zohar (I,219b) — Princes of Christians are idolators, must die.
            Zohar (II, 43a): Extermination of Christians is a necessary sacrifice to God.
            Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.

          • sanity

            I’ll wager you haven’t a clue what’s in the Talmud yourself, other than the lies you get from neo-Nazi websites.

          • Brettwashere

            Some of us have, and yes, we understand Jewish sensibilities. But we will also draw the line when they use our hijacked planes as missiles and behead people of other religions.

        • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

          Hear, hear!

        • William Carr

          And I suppose you don’t realize the stupidity of “projecting” from one percentage and multiplying by a fictitious estimate?

          Here, let me explain. The Irish Mob is known for committing crimes. Do you see the folly of estimating their murders and projecting them on Irish Americans?

          No ? Here’s a clue. They’re CRIMINALS. We aren’t.

        • Christopher C

          I haven’t read the Bible either,although I consider myself to be extremely well read.I don’t know that reading takes that much effort,however I’m not going to read several thousand turgid pages of a cultures mythology,when there are far more reality based boks to read thatafre for more enlightening.
          Claiming intellectual superiority on a comment page of the internet doesn’t make it so

        • klay12

          And your attempts at explaining the Islamic religion are flawed at best and outright distortions at worst.

          Tafsir is not something most Muslims know about. It’s application simply states that one can lie about their religion if under the threat of harm or death. It isn’t a blanket endorsement to lie or use in criminal fashion.

          As for your presentation of the US muslim population and their roles in terrorism I suggest you either do a bit more reading or stay quiet. The worst terrorist acts were not committed by American Muslims – 9/11 were all Middle Eastern (mainly Saudi) nationals snd in fact nearly all of the acts of terrorism were committed by Muslims from extremist ideologies in the ME. So you attempting to present stats to say Muslims are 156 times more likely is a distortion of stats – Mark Twain would’ve been proud as you’re living proof of that statement, though in a very cack handed way.

          The DC Sniper was an USA Army Vet who went off the rails – something that’s fairly common for American vets who been in various war zones. He never expressed religion for his reasons for killing and his wife claims his motive was kill her as part of the serial killings to get custody off his kids. Terrorist attack? You are stretching credability. He was an America vet serial killer who just happened to be a Muslim – correlation is not causation.

          • Brettwashere

            The DC Sniper isn’t included in the data – nor is the Fort Hood shooting. But the Article doesn’t differentiate between American or not: it differentiates between Muslim and non Muslim.

            The article gives the same quantitative weight to the 911 Attack (1 attack) as spray painting a barn (1 attack).

            What I provided was a quantitative and qualitative analysis: the quantifier being “how many people were killed?”.

        • Arekushieru

          Why do you seek to prove our point? The former are an oppressed group. Americans invading Iraq for unjustifiable reasons are not. Yet, political correctness does not identify them as terrorists. Also, if you don’t understand what the word terrorism (because you obviously don’t) means, you should proooobabblyyy not be replying to an article based solely on that premise. Kthxbainow.

          • Brettwashere

            Definition of Terrorism by 18 USC:


            The UN has no set definition of terrorism – but has this statement:


            The US does not fit any definition of terrorism.

          • Arekushieru

            Given what I said to you above, apparently you have NO idea of what terrorism means. I do, not only because I know the person who gave terrorism its most COMPLETE definition to date but because even the definitions YOU provided prove that the US IS a terrorist nation. Again, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, etc….

          • Brettwashere

            Oh, so you claim to be the God of the earth – who can write laws as you choose?

            I know very well what terrorism is by law – because I have killed many terrorists. If I was wrong at any time – I would have been arrested.

            Terrorists who don’t abide by the Geneva Conventions – by not wearing a uniform designating themselves as a terrorist – are war criminals.

            It is the obligation of the US to hang them.

          • Arekushieru

            And now you claim to be a killer of terrorists? Really? I simply claimed to KNOW the person who defined terrorism. If that was enough to make me the God of the earth, then certainly YOUR claim makes you even more likely to be claiming such an asinine thing.

            No, the fact that you don’t understand how might does not make right proves you know nothing about terrorism. “If I was wrong at any time – I would have been arrested.” Because, no, that simply proves who’s stronger (y’know, ‘mightier’?).

            Also, the death penalty has been declared a human rights violation by the UN, y’know also considered a body that creates INTERNATIONAL law? I live in a country that abolished the death penalty a long time ago, yet, for some reason, we have fewer murder rates than you…. HMMMMM…..

          • Brettwashere

            My state Abolished the Death Penalty – but we still kill murderers to stop them from murdering more people.

            The definition of terrorist is in 18 USC and it isn’t might that makes us right – it’s right that makes us right.

        • Jubeii

          Just because Al Quaida got lucky once, does not mean that Muslims are dangerous. We in the west have killed far more ppl than anyone in history. The US have been sponsoring terrorists and terrorist states for decades. Why do you think Hispanics have undertaken many attacks on US soil? US foreign policy has brought death to countless nations since 1899 (Cuba, Philippines, Mexico, Guatemala, colombia, Argentina, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Panama, Granada, Chile, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Kongo, El Salvador to name a few of the top…excluding WWI & II) I am sure there are more too. That’s impressively bad and more than Norway has done the last twelve hundred years, including the viking era

          • Brettwashere

            “We in the west have killed far more ppl than anyone in history. ”

            Bold statement considering we have saved more people, fed more people and freed more people than anyone in history.

            “The US have been sponsoring terrorists and terrorist states for decades.”

            While Abdullah Azzam did come to about 50 US cities raising funds and recruiting Mujahedin for Afghanistan, They never received a cent from the US Government. Osama bin Laden had his own money. CIA end users included the likes of Abdul Haq.

            Latin America was part of the Monroe Doctrine: that the West would be liberated from European control – including Spain. The Latin American countries are autonomous to themselves.

            Che Guevara attempted a Communist revolution in Latin America that led to many deaths (including his own) but the people themselves resisted.

            The Korean peninsula was divided like Germany was after WWII. The last I looked, it was North Korea who invaded South Korea. Had it not been for the US, there would be no South Korea.

            Socialism only murdered 100 million people in the last century.

      • ash

        40% of Americans still think, 9/11 was an inside job.

      • Disasterjunkie

        Your are grossly mistaken,

        The Nixon-Bush-Bama regime makes use of Arab Terrorist as a means to remove your liberty rights; Hitler used communists.

        Conservatives claim that all terrorists are Muslim, but most violent attacks in the US are carried out by white men

        Murdoch of Fox News Admits Manipulating the News for Agenda and supporting Bush Wars


        1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
        2. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995
        3. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
        4. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
        5. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
        6.The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998
        7. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.
        8. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
        9. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008.

        You must have the IQ of a gold fish.

        • The Mouse

          Ummmm, those few examples you cited of white men terrorists don’t even count! LOL With the exception of McVeigh, the others were just either murderers or serial murdering loonies, but that does not compare to those Islamists who kill hundreds at a time in the name of Islam, who torture and maim their own citizenry for being infidels, gay, mocking Muhammed, converting to Christianity (which equals death under Sharia Law) and continue doing it in far more numbers over the past few decades. Nice try.

          • Sarah

            Okay reeelaax, first of all, why are you guys only point out flaws. Firstly, why is americans in iraq, pakistan, afganistan never counted in the murders that you americans have committed in their soil. THEY are terrorists for going into iraq like greedy bastards in the name of trying to make “peace” so they can just get oil. Its not only America but in the process has killed thousands of innocent people through drone attacks, its other countries who do that too, yet they are never called terrorists. Americans have killed millions also, and i am not gonna lie and say these islamic extremists have not commited terrorist attacks. THEY DID commits attacks that is against the laws of the Quran. I know Jihad is mentioned in the Quran, but that is only necessary when an induvidual forces you to convert, THATS when you fight for your religion. All these terrorists say they are muslim, jewish, catholic but they are not if they are commiting these crimes. And calling muslims pedophiles shows how short minded you are. All these rapists and pedophiles in America are majority chirstan, but you don;t see us nagging you about it.they are just PSYCOPATHS and thats it. so stop freakin fighting, every group has made mistakes and every group has done good stuff. So get over yourselves and move on. Why do ya’ll gotta be haters all the time.

      • Q

        you are so mean

      • Victor

        You are correct but the fallacies of this post are even worse than you described. First. which created this chart has nothing to do with Princeton University except using definition of “Loon”.

        Second, the statistics used count as act of terrorism not only homicide attempts but burglary, vandalism, damage or destruction of property; shooting (in the wall of the building), throwing low-yield explosive or incendiary devices into property. Most of JDL acts were against property–usually of USSR. And happened 20–30 years ago. Many groups listed in 1980-2005 summary disappeared without leaving successors.

        Third, not all acts of terror are in database—only those which were classified by FBI as such. 2002 LA airport was not originally classified as an act of terror—and FBI reclassified it only after public outrage.

        Summary: this article is a very sloppy attempt to obfuscate the simple fact that Islamic terrorism is a main threat to North America.

      • Cynthia

        You didn’t actually read the article did you? You just feel the need to keep the hate going. People like you are the problem worldwide. You’re an extremist. Your like is rubbish.

      • me

        You are the most idiotic person ive ever seen. How are you gonna label the whole Muslim community over a few people that performed an act of terrorism. the definition of terrorism is “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.” so why do americans label terrorism with on religion. Actually, islam is against acts of terrorism because it is inhumane. so those muslims who killed 3,000 muslims in one day was obviously cruel and wrong but that does not mean that muslims are terrorist. Because of one person, you’re going to think of islam as terrorist religion but do you not remember what americans did to african americans? If Islam should be labeled as terrorist because of ONE DAY, why shouldn’t Americans be labeled as terrorist they tortured and killed African Americans every day up to the early 1900s? Think before you speak.

        • 7fpscott7

          incredibly well informed discussion(?) of exactly what one or another scripture – written long after the events (?) allegedly took place – has to say about rape, murder, idiocy, fanaticism and all that good stuff, but little if any mention of the crack-pot learned folks who have set up the “rules of war” at something called a geneva convention, describing in non-biblical-torah-talmud-koran-mothergoose-toothfairy terminology exactly how one properly slaughters tens of thousands of human beings but also how not to slaughter lest committing a “war crime’ by, say, instead of stabbing-shooting-bombing-burning-bludgeoning, one uses ( on ho oh no) poison gas or chemical weapons…hey, be a happy jew-christ-islamic citizen and argue over which fanatic scripture allows, um, slicing foreskin off a baby’s penis, believing in a special zombie fathered by god or a prophet on his way to damascus who communicated with the father, son or foreskin during his epiphany and pay no attention to what is actually going on except to rationalize it as proper according to the fanaticism you accept as “his” ( god with a penis…circumcized?) rules.

      • Me

        You are the most idiotic person ive ever seen. How are you gonna label the whole Muslim community over a few people that performed an act of terrorism. the definition of terrorism is “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.” so why do americans label terrorism as a religion. Actually, islam is against acts of terrorism because it is inhumane. so those muslims who killed 3,000 muslims in one day were obviously cruel and wrong but that does not mean that muslims are terrorists. you’re going to think of all Muslims as terrorists because of one or a few cruel people? but do you not remember what americans did to african americans? If all Muslims should be labeled as terrorists because of ONE DAY and one person, why shouldn’t Americans be labeled as terrorist? they tortured and killed African Americans every day up to the early 1900s. Think before you speak.

        • nc runnerboy

          You’ve got your facts wrong as usual – you should watch something other than RT tv – Just drop your mouth open so Putin can fill it with more crap

          • lol

            what??? are you stupid? never heard ku klux klan? killing blacks was the trend in us before 1945

      • Being human

        And do you know how many innocent civilians have been killed in Afghanistan because of our war? 12,000 to 15,000. Do you know how many civilians have been killed in Iraq because of our war? 500,000 thousand. So, if you think that Muslims are terrorists because of that one incident, you should take a close look at the amount of civilians we’ve killed during these wars.

        • nc runnerboy

          You need to stop reading fantasy novels. ISIL? Know them? Oh – You may be an Obama fan and think these are “real” muslims or not real islamic believers… LMAO

          • Being human

            You do realize that most Muslims are good people, right? Like this article states, there are Christian terrorist groups as well. Even so, most Christians are good people. I do agree that ISIS is a dangerous group, but that doesn’t mean we have to get involved in every single battle out there. How long are we supposed to stay in these wars, forever? We’ve been fighting these wars forever, and we haven’t won any of them. The founding fathers actually warned about us getting involved in foreign affairs. Wasn’t our whole war in Iraq meant to train the Iraqis so they could fight for themselves? What ever happened to that? I agree that terrorists are a threat, but our involvement always makes it worse. We need to let terrorists fight against themselves, and the countries take care of their own problems.

          • nc runnerboy

            many muslims are good people – they just don’t stand up in numbers against the million to two million radicals worldwide (do the math – if 1% are radical that’s a lot of muslim radicals). Not that way in Christianity – not at least in the 20th or 21st centuries…we got by it and are not out decapitating innocent people. Got it?

          • Being human

            That’s your problem. You’re doing faulty math to begin with. You said if one percent are radical. There’s no evidence for one to two million radicals worldwide. There’s no if when it comes to logic. Where’s your evidence for this? All right. Here were go with Christian terrorists.

            How about Dr. George Tiller who was killed because people believe killing abortion doctors is all right with God. How about George W. Bush who thought Gog and Magog were in Iraq? So, basically all the innocent civilians were killed by our holy war. How about people who believe that their children shouldn’t go to doctors because of faith healing, and this causes innocent children to die. How about innocent children who die because of circumcision, which is a religious belief? Aren’t these terrorists by the same definition. Their radical religious beliefs led to the deaths of innocent people.

            Not to mention our government itself. Our country: kills innocent people with drone strikes, and tortures people in Guantanamo Bay (we don’t even know the reasons why some of them are there, we’re just supposed to trust our government). Most of our country is Christian, so shouldn’t we blame everything our government does on Christianity? I mean, that’s what we do to the Muslims.

            Hitler was also a Christian!

            It never counts when Christians commit murder, but let’s always blame it on the Muslims.

          • Being human

            Also, you shouldn’t say many Muslims, most Muslims are good people. Just like people from every faith.

            Have you heard of the Muslim group CAIR? After every bombing they put out statements against the attacks. Yet, you never hear this from Fox News. They put out statements after 9/11 as well.

            There’s also a group called the Army of God, which is linked to many abortion killings.

            Two more terrorist attacks committed by Christian extremists. Someone shot up a Sikh Temple, which killed six people inside, thinking that they were Muslims. Eric Rudolph killed two people and injured 150 because he thought he was doing Gods will. This happened in 1996. He bombed a lesbian bar, and an abortion clinic. He was also charged with the Atlanta Park bombing.

            We might not be decapitating them, but extremists sure like killing doctors of abortion clinics. Just because extremists’ methods are different, doesn’t make it any less gruesome. Our government sure likes going invading another country because there are demons there (Iraq).

          • blahking

            Absolutely true, most muslims are good people, but the ideology that the doctrines of Islam put forth are destructive and conflict with many human rights. We should condemn fascist doctrine, and allow all people to share ideas, even the nuts.

          • Being human

            I agree with your statement, and the same applies to Christians. Most Christians are good people, but the ideology that the doctrines of Christianity put forth are destructive and conflict with many human rights. Unfortunately, practically all news media focuses just on Islam, while ignoring Christian acts of terrorism, which still happens, even though Fox News will never admit it.

            Ideology in Christianity: Forced Exorcisms, because people still believe in demons, only allowing faith healing, which has killed children, circumcision, which has killed babies, and let’s not forget Westboro Baptist Church. The ideology of Christianity has indirectly killed, or caused extreme trauma to victims. Not to mention there are terrorist groups in the Christian religion: the Army of God, which has been linked to many abortion bombings. The Catholic Church’s stance on condoms also hurts Africa. The Pope has said that condoms can actually make the spread of the disease worse. This of course harms the people in Africa indirectly when they buy into this crap.

            One problem that people ignore, is that a lot of countries in the Middle East are third world countries. It’s not so much the radical ideology, it’s the fact that these countries are still developing. There are similar problems to these in other third world countries as well, the Cartel in Mexico for example, or warring tribes in Africa. There are extremists everywhere, but we only focus on Islam.

            Here’s one more thing I don’t get. When it comes to Muslim extremists who want to build a caliphate, people complain about it. However, most Americans are for Israel, which is a Jewish state. Isn’t this the same thing? The Jews invaded Palestine, taking over most of their land, and they believe this is for a religious country of their own. This seems hypocritical to me. Now, I hope people don’t call people anti-Semite or anything, because I’m all for people practicing the religion they want to, just not at the expense of other people’s homeland. This applies to Muslims, and people from all religion as well. Everyone should feel free to practice what religion they want to.

        • nc runnerboy

          so, you good now with the Obama strategy in Iraq? How many more will be lost because the “Chamberlain” of the 21st center dithers? Liberals are all the same – make the mess so conservatives can clean it up…

          • Being human

            It’s actually really funny, because President Obama is dropping bombs on ISIS. Wasn’t that the conservative plan to begin with? But when President Obama does it, it’s dangerous to America.

            I actually prefer the strategy, get out of the Middle East, but that probably won’t happen. We’ve caused nothing but pain there, and terrorist groups like ISIS are able to gain power because of our wars. Think about it, Saddam was thrown out of power, and now we have a civil war going on. We helped to fund Al Qaeda to defeat the Soviet Union, and look where that got us. We defeated Al Qaeda, allowing for an more powerful terrorist group to come to power.
            The worst part is, none of these groups are threats to America. We need to help the countries fight for themselves, giving them weapons and moral support, but we can’t keep getting involved, nothing good comes out of it.

      • Robert

        9/11 was a US Government guided and enhanced job people which means it was not primarily a Muslim attack! See Susan Lindhauers account of events for the truth!

      • Karla

        3,000? You should see how many more people die everyday from America’s “war on terror” aka America’s “war on oil.” It’s all fucked up.

      • ClipperFlight

        But not in America.

      • Stokanator

        Yep, the writer apparently hasn’t learned that just because you write it on a piece of paper doesn’t mean its true.

        You’d have to be a mentally handicapped moron to believe this

      • Eliza Miller

        Did you read the article. They said that Sunni extremists commit most acts worldwide and the majority of victims worldwide are also Muslim. But if we’re talking about just in the US, they are 2.5%. In other words, calm down.

      • Ryan Smith

        Don’t you love it? The set of statistics that includes 9/11 goes back to 1980 for no reason, includes vandalism and bank robberies as ‘terrorism’, and considers number of incidents instead of number of deaths. The set of statistics that *doesn’t* include 9/11 is concerned with number of deaths, instead of number of incidents.

        How much more intentionally misleading could you possibly get?

    • Disasterjunkie

      The Nixon-Bush-Bama regime makes use of Arab Terrorist as a means to remove your liberty rights; Hitler used communists.

      Conservatives claim that all terrorists are Muslim, but most violent attacks in the US are carried out by white men

      Murdoch of Fox News Admits Manipulating the News for Agenda and supporting Bush Wars


      1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
      2. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995
      3. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
      4. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
      5. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
      6.The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998
      7. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.
      8. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
      9. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008.

      • mmckinl

        ReThink 911

        • Julie Crory Telgenhoff

          They can’t retinknk 9/11 because they can’t even think. They’ve been too dumbed down. Most AmeriKans so propagated they beLIEve the government’s version of 9/11. Ha ha ..a man in a cave pulled it off and Muslims used BOX CUTTERS (OMG that blade is so scary I’d run too). I’m afraid America is going down.

      • John Wirth

        Lol… I can find more examples of violent attacks in 1 night in Chicago and none will be by white males. You are a racist liar!

    • SloStrokes

      God you are a tool. At least the Right wingers love our Country. The Islamist in chief has infiltrated dozens of Muslim Brotherhood individuals into Intelligence and Home land Security, his own Chief adviser Valerie Jarrett admitted as a student that she intended to exercise the weakness in the american system for religious tolerance to expand Islam in the US, the Hildebeast’s own Huma Weiner is a Libyan extremist who helped concoct the false intelligence that led to US forces attacking Libya. There can be no peace with Radical Islam. Period. and Idealists like yourself better wake up to that fact.

    • FEDup

      There is no denying that many have been killed by hateful people throughout history. Kind of makes the “man is basically good” theory out the window. Let us look at the present and future rather than the past. We must admit that in the recent past when Islamists are in the minority they relatively behave themselves, but as they increase as a percentage of the population and Sharia is invoked, atrocities escalate dramatically.

    • Eliza Miller

      The article explained that the labeling on the graph is misleading. Jewish extremists, Muslim extremists, Latino and other when exploring in detail what those groups are can be categorized and right wing.

  • Handsome James
    • In fact all Americans are terrorist combatants and don’t fall under the international law.

  • ComradeAnon

    What left wing attacks?

    • jxs9

      Basically crap by environment groups like burning SUV’s.They don’t kill anyone. Which makes this chart ridiculous. The terrorists attacks that have resulted in murders are done by right wing groups and Islamists. The extremist left wing groups which are primarily environmental groups have only attacked property.

  • Mike: Thomas

    Great article! Now I’m gonna sit back and wait for the ADL to sue you for daring to suggest that any Jew would perpetrate a Terrorist Attack!

    • depends on the reason for the attack, though…

    • Israel Dubinsky

      Mike Thomas you’re an idiot! The ADL does not sue people for defaming Jews. We only highlight acts of anti-semitism, like your stupid comment.

      • Jews always whining and crying anti semitism enough crying already the world is sick of your crap

        • Noa

          u sound like a jew-hater……..racists.

          • Noa

            dats something Hitler would have said…..

          • Anonymous

            You sound like a Jew Lover. 😀

        • sandy

          God loves the Jews. He hasn’t forgot about them. And atleast they don’t beat their wives, chop the heads off of anyone that disagrees with them and have some world dictatorship ambitions. They stay to themselves wherever they go.

          • Anonymous

            Torturers, wife-beaters, oppressors and all the other idiotic people are going against Islam. Islam does not allow any of this. And if your generalized statement is based on the actions of a few idiots, you must be a very, very ignorant and bigoted human being because just like Russell Brand said, blaming all Muslim’s for the actions of a few is like blaming ‘Hitlers moustache for the Holocaust’. So, before you make stupid comments I suggest you do some solid research on Islam and perhaps read the Quran to get an idea of what Islam really is.

            Oh, and I can also make generalized statements. ‘All the Jews are responsible for the treatment of the Palestinian people (IDF soldiers sexually abusing children and women), illegal settlements and stealing of land’. I can go on forever. 😀

          • accrete786

            I think sandy is slightly inbred!

          • accrete786

            sandy if God loves the Jews why oh why have they been persecuted from the pharoah chasing them the crusades where they were safer with Muslims than the christian armies to Europe where they were expelled from almost every country at one time to another in the past eight hundred years to Nazi germany etc etc?
            I seriously hope God does not show me the love he shows the Jews!

      • Meanwhile the ADL does not look into hate crimes, war crimes against the Palestinian people.

        You are a phony group and you have only an affect on American brain dead, those whose brain were operated on by Jewish doctors.

      • accrete786

        Yawn, anti semitism, the cry to stifle any debate!

    • Israel Dubinsky

      Really Mike Thomas? Actually the ADL has reported on the Jewish Defense League.


  • so the USA is winning the war against the jihad – what a relief!

    • Deborah Rodriguez

      Brought to us by ISRAEL. Another monster of the monsters.

      • kafir4life

        Debbs, please go have your abortion. It’s your right.

        • Convict killa

          Kafir 4 life your a real GOOF disbeliever 4 life deb is the realist girl yet she knows the fake Jews. Zion fake hiding behind Judaism real Jewish know what’s up these fake Jew makin porn n Hollywood GOD gonna deal with you devil worshipers the realist ways punks have your only fun in this worldly life kafir bitch made punk

        • Abortions are still possible even if you have passed the 70 year of age.

          • kafir4life

            I always figured that you guy consider that life doesn’t begin until the democrat registration card is filled out. To be honest, I think that it’s what’s called a damn shame that Stanley Ann Dunham didn’t have available to her the rights that women have today. The world would be a MUCH better place.
            I think what you’re referring to tho’ is murder, even in the eyes of the new head of Planned Parenthood, Dr. Gossett. So are you saying you’d like me to be murdered, Kit?

        • Speaking of abortion, ever notice how many abortion doctors and supporters are Jews? And yet very few Jews ever have abortions. Abortion is a way to get Christians to commit genocide against themselves.

          • kafir4life

            Gosh, Brian, those are interesting statements! I’d love to see some of your research. I actually haven’t heard about how Jewish doctors get Christians to have abortions. Margaret Sanger, the woman who founded Planned Parenthood (who just appointed Dr. Kermit Gosnell as its new president) was trying to exterminate Black and poor people. A real left wing pride sort of thing. I wonder why Jews would have so few abortions? Could it be that when they get pregnant, they mostly mean to? And I thought that Christians were rallying AGAINST abortions.
            I’m hopeful that you’ll enlighten me.

      • Indeed, it takes a vile person to support Israel. Israelis stole land based on a nonsensical fairy story (that claims they should own land because their ”ancestors” – not really, they are mostly Slavic, Turkic and German, with a few Spaniards, which isn’t a bad thing in theory – owned the land 2000 years ago… despite the fact that the ancestors of Palestinians developed there and have owned that land for years and years since that point). Israel is a racist and segregationist state that is also one of the worst things to have ever happened to Judaism.

        • …some like to sniff Nethanyahu’s underwear. Funny this guy was born and educated in the USA and claims now to be a native of the so called Holy Land.

  • so the USA is winning the war against the jihad – what a relief!

  • Deborah Rodriguez

    What I find amazing is that people forget that “latinos” are actually natives to this continent. We did not come here escaping religious persecution, nor did we come on slave ships or ocean liners, we are natives. We are very much like the Palestinian people, we have been invaded, lines of tribes and families forever destroyed our continent has been broken up by invisible lines yet we are told that we are the aliens. Our dna is the same with all indigenous people of this continent.

    My heart breaks for all the indigenous people who are told that they do not belong, Hawaii, Australia, the continent of the Americas natives are disrespected and history shows they were destroyed.

    Mike Rivero and Alex Jones could care less for any peoples that has been made alien in their own ancestral land. Though Mike heart bleeds for the Hawaiians well Mike what about us?

    I hope when this nation falls that the Jews who are not loyal to this Republic are put out. I hope that people would realize the wrongs and right the wrongs that has befallen the natives of their respective country.

    I hope we can get rid of the nuclear plants, that we shut down the war machines. I hope that good people rid this nation of the EVIL that claim to be Americans and replace them with good, honest native people who are more than willing to work to make life better for all.

    Like Ice T said, when you occupy a country illegally then you have to have arms…but if we could respect the original people then turn to them to rebuild then our planet together we all could heal.

    That is what I wish…

    • Yes, most ”Latinos” are mestizo, which means they are part native and part white. The native part is arquably more important and most of the US natives would really be considered mestizo when measuring recent ancestors (most are mixed with white now due to how little full-blooded natives are left).

      I hate all the anti-Hispanic immigrating talk coming from white Americans. It is not the fault of Mexicans that the USA conquered land from Mexico and thus put a border through their ancestral land. If anything the Mexicans should be complaining about Anglo squatters on land that should be, and was, theirs!

      • You are talking about California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona!

        Most Americans don’t even know that.

    • In fact you Americans squat on Indian land! Go home where you came from.

      There is no such thing like the promised land, which belongs to others.

      • Brettwashere

        Mexico ceded New Mexico and California in 1848. In 1849 the inhabitants petitioned admission as a free state and the petition was adopted in 1850.

        In other words, the inhabitants, European and Native, wanted to be US and the didn’t want to be Mexico.

    • sandy

      It’s not about being anti Hispanic. OUR family is mixed and half Hispanic. The thing everyone is worried about is the fact that many Muslim terrorist are going to come in through this immigration. And before people start crying racist, they need to check this out for themselves at .

      There are trojan horse things written into these bills that will bankrupt America. I feel terribly for the immigrants that are law abiding and good hearted people but this immigration bill will be the ruin of America and NOT for the racisim that they are lying to you about and blaming it on. It is not OK to ruin a whole Country and many lives for others. You don’t rob peter to pay paul!

    • Brettwashere

      I’m a blond haired, blue eyed American: my ancestor is Chickasaw and on the Dawes Rolls. You could have Spanish European blood in you as I have Swede European blood in me. The fact that all your ancestors didn’t die from smallpox – makes this very possible.

      Most native Americans don’t live on the reservation – but go to school, have jobs, families and a mortgage.

      Most of the truly, full blooded, Native American braves are very patriotic and don’t pray for the downfall of America.

  • ThePurpleCrab

    We are winning the war on Jihad and losing the war on zionism.

    • …they are the same perpetrators. You Americans murder the Arabs for the Jews.

  • libertytribune

    As if the FBI has any creditability?

  • Cruz Quintana

    Couldnt Boston be considered state sponsored terrorism? They were on government assistance.and probably used that money to purchase the bomb materials. 😉

  • Washington76

    Reality Check: Did the FBI know about Boston bombing beforehand? – Ben Swann

    • Brettwashere

      Russia informed the FBI about Tamerlane’s fundamentalist activities and the FBI interviewed him maybe twice. However, you can’t arrest someone unless they commit a crime.

      As far as the 1993 bomb plot goes, they can get 100 hours of tape: but if two hours of non-tape that the FBI missed contains the actual bomb plot – the FBI missed a valuable window of opportunity.

      The police stopped two of the 911 hijackers for speeding. They didn’t have the probable cause to do anything else.

  • Ace

    Fascism is extreme LEFT wing. Get it right.

    • Fascism is NOT left wing. That is a bit of right wing revisionism. Fascism is outside the left/right paradigm as it incorporates aspects of both socialism and capitalism under a state dictatorship.

      • Come on! You Americans don’t even know what real food or freedom is like and how could you know about left or right?

      • lionsbru

        Sorry, but Fascism was a breakoff of Soviet Communism in the 1920s — it was “National Socialism” [whence “Nazi”] (as opposed to INTER-national Socialism), about controlling the means of production, the press, etc. So where did the idea that it was RIGHT wing come from? From the Soviets, who so labeled ANYTHING that deviated from or broke off from their system! (Did it to Mussolini just as they did to Trotsky — neither was ever anything approaching what any of us would recognize as left-wing.)

    • SGT DeFawlt

      On the contrary, Fascism is FAR Right and Egalitarianism is FAR Left. Consider the indicators of what a fascist state are and then tell me it’s “extreme Left-wing”! Examine:

  • Nigeria, Sudan, Indonesia, Europe, Eastern Asia……..are hot beds of CONVERT or Die Islamic expansion! Have you lost your minds? Islam is on the march! Spend a minute investigating. Stop listening to Muslim Organization propaganda!

  • Since the definition of words changes as fast as the weather, I would not us the the word TERRORISM to describe any act in the US. The Fort Hood RADICAL ISLAMIST TERRORIST ATTACK is classified by this cowardly Administration as WORKPLACE VIOLENCE! Just dismiss this ridiculous article!

  • America which occupies many countries is occupied by itself. It is Judea, the Jews and Jewish owned and run Wall Street which controls America.

    We have a new normal: legal torture, legal slave labor, legal theft etc..

    Meanwhile the brain dead in the US cheer the CEO system, the financial fraud system and the institutions which oppress them, not to forget the American trooper and the veterans.

  • Noa

    BULLSH*T!!!!!!!! Muslims were involved with the more suicidal and deadly attacks all-time. Fu#kin Islamic-enthusiasts! Remember 9/11……………..

    • Remember 9/11 AND the USS Liberty, the Lavon Affair, the King David Hotel bombing, the many JDL bombings, etc.

      • SGT DeFawlt

        The USS Liberty was attacked by Israel, you schmuck.

        • cbinTH

          This was his point; it is a list of things done by Israeli’s or pre-Israeli Zionists. It is the list of an anti-semitic paranoic. The USS Liberty, was not, of course, terrorism in the conventional sense. The rest of the list was not directed at the US.

  • Arthur Toporovsky

    The remarkable misrepresentation of this chart is easily recognized by anyone who might actually bother to read the FBI report it is based on.

    Worth noting.
    Any and all Jewish groups ceased being active in 1986. 29 years ago. By comparison, while this report claims that the danger from Islamist groups is being over-exaggerated (based on the frequency of attacks between 1971 and 2005 – without labeling that fact), it ignores the FBI report itself which notes the increasing presence of Islamist groups in terror, both in the US and (very importantly) on American citizens in foreign locations.

    This is ridiculous.

  • Tayloao

    This article is stupid for several reasons.

    1. The “Global War on Terror” began after 9/11. To make statistical data on terrorism that is relevant to today, but begining you data in 1980 is stupid. To then cut that data off in 2005 is also stupid (although presumably that is when the data itself was compiled).

    2. This chart is a chart of successful attacks on the US by actual attack numbers. That means an attack that resulted in one death is treated numerically the same as 9/11 itself.

    3. The chart is of successful attacks, but there is relevant information missing. How much of the FBI’s resources are currently dedicated to tracking, arresting, stopping, etc. Islamic terrorists? How many Islamic terrorists have been stopped before they could carry out an attack (If they were stopped then they don’t make it into the data used for this chart). If you have 90% of your counterterrorism personnel looking at Muslim terrorists then it makes sense that said group would have fewer successful attacks. This is particularly relevant for any data from before the Global War on Terror. Pre 9/11 if there weren’t many counterterrorism personnel then it would make sense that there would be a greater number of successful attacks in that time period.

    • Brettwashere

      True, the analysis is quantitative and not qualitative: giving 911 the same weight as spraypaint on a building.

    • exposingindia

      What the article does tell you is that this whole ‘islamist’ threat is something new. Muslims have not been trying to destroy america for the last 300 years.

      IN your history at every time, CIA propaganda has brought a new face of terror to create fear among americans who would then support CIA activities in other countries

      • Tayloao

        Your conspiracy theorist tone aside. The chart itself is clearly attempting to make the claim that Islamic terrorists are not the leading terrorists in the world. To begin the chart prior to 911 is simply intellectually dishonest. If I were to make a chart about alcohol sales related violence and make the chart from 1910-1925 and then claim that there is very little violence related to the selling of booze it would be a highly intellectually dishonest claim because it would ignore the passing of prohibition and the organized crime that followed. If the chart began on 911 and went to 2010 or a reasonably close proximity thereafter and then showed that Islam wasn’t the leading terrorists I would say they have a point.

    • Julie Crory Telgenhoff

      Ha ha you still believe the 911 LIE? Ha ha they got you. AmeriKans so dumbed down and propagated. Al qaeda a data base…al CIA da. Ha ha ha ha and a man in a cave pulled it off and the people in the plane couldn’t take down a Muslim with a BOX CUTTER. That blade so long and scary …..

  • livingengine

    Hi, Can you please tell me why you called Loonwatch “Princeton University’s Loon Watch”? I don’t believe this website has anything to do with Princeton.

  • sandy

    The Muslims are the most dangerous EVEN if they are the minority right now in acts of physical violence against Americans.
    They are bent on replacing our Constitution with Sharia Law and it is in fact being done in increments now:

    Co-Founder of the Council on
    American-Islamic Relations

    CAIR-SFBA Executive Committee Member

    and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.

    Former Islamic
    Association for
    Palestine (IAP) Officer.

    Omar Ahmad was captured on FBI
    tapes at Hamas meetings in the U.S.A. during 1993 explaining that the
    IAP could not, for political reasons,
    admit its
    support for Hamas, and then discussing how the Hamas agenda could be
    cloaked and
    advanced. Omar Ahmad’s airfare and hotel bills for this meeting
    were paid for by the Holy Land

    “Those who stay in
    America should be open to society without melting,
    keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you
    choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message
    of Islam … Islam isn’t in America to be equal
    to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
    of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the
    only accepted religion on Earth.”

    “Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam,
    that is not suicide,” … “They kill themselves for Islam.”

    (Ahmad Praising Suicide Bombers)

    • sandy
    • londoner

      just another brainwashed person/ troll hating on everything to do with Muslims. I see you on every possible forum bashing Muslims even when this article tells you that Muslims have the least to do with terrorism compared with other groups!

  • sandy




    Employee Islamic
    Association for
    Palestine (IAP)

    “CAIR does
    not support these groups publicly.”

    comments on
    CAIR’s record of supporting

    Hezbullah and
    other official terrorist groups)

    wouldn’t want to create the impression that I wouldn’t like the government of the United States to be
    Islamic sometime in the future…But I’m not going to do anything
    violent to promote that. I’m going to do it through

  • JoeCushing

    Fascists are left wing. They are the ones who want to control everyone’s businesses. Fascism is just a way to do communism while tricking people into thinking they have capitalism. It’s perfect because all the ills that come from it can be blamed on evil capitalists and the government can get more power every time it screws up the economy with its fascist policies. Actually, there is no left and right. There are only statists and anti-statists. Communists, fascists, democrats, republicans, socialists are all just statists.

  • johnnydelgado

    You are not telling the truth about Islam. It is written in the Quran Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191, Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood (9:123), When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5, Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29), Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85), The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30), Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam. (5:33),
    The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28), Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19), Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4), The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65), Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28), Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12), Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels (8:60). All those verses are from the Quran.

    The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an. That is why we see very few “moderate”
    muslims coming out and speaking against the violence. There is so much
    overwhelming evidence stacked against them not able to be “moderate”
    because of the fundamental belief’s of Islam.

    • Kathryn Warner

      Did you ever, ever, EVER read the bible?

    • NoName_101

      Guess who else instructs murder? The ‘loving’ God found in the Bible.

      Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

      Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

      Kill Witches

      You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

      Kill Homosexuals

      “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

      Kill Fortunetellers

      A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

      Death for Hitting Dad or Mom

      Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

      Death for Cursing Parents

      1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

      2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

      Death for Adultery

      If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

      Death for Fornication

      A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

      Death to Followers of Other Religions

      Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

      Kill Nonbelievers

      They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

      Kill False Prophets

      If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.
      (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

      Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

      Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

      Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

      But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

      Kill Followers of Other Religions.

      1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.
      (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

      2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

      Shall I go on?

  • Ok good. Since American ‘white extremists’ are so fucking dangerous my advice is for all Mexicans, Asians Cubans and blacks to leave these shores and never return. Problem solved

  • Camille Reta

    And our idiot government is telling us to fear Muslims?! I fear the American government, who is the biggest terrorist out there!

    • londoner

      Sadly western media has painted this false and sad image of your average ordinary Muslim to be the person behind all your troubles. This reminds me of what Joseph Goebbels and his propaganda team did to the Jews and communists back in Germany post WW1

  • Princeton67atCoxdotnet

    Because the data are not measured per capita, the hypotheses are meaningless.
    “Figures lie; liars figure” (Attributed to Mark Twain)

  • E Morgan Schuster

    Please…most, if not all, terror acts in the US are FBI entrapment cases, DHS drills, or just plain old hoaxes. There’s a better chance you’ll die from an allergic reaction to a bee sting ( no breakdowns on the bee’s nationality or religious identity are available – however addiction to honey seems to be involved ) or peanuts. Children seem to fall victim to Terrorist Televisions suicidal falls from tall furniture. Captured Televisions that survived these falls were water boarded but, they refused to name the organizations they were with. Markings on these sets implicate the following terrorist affiliations:

    Sons of liberty New York chapter
    Rhodesian Cocks of Africa
    Jewish Vigilante Army
    Syrian- Armenian-Moldavian-Salafist Uber-Nutter Gang
    Tai Opiated Stick Hash Insane Bukkake Anarchists

    to name just a few of these child murdering boxes of crap.

    Saint Adam Lanza’s Pancake Breakfast seems to be the only event these terror cells have in common all though screwing virgins seems to be a common motivator amongst male terrorists…well…actually…males that are not terrorists as well…although males that are not terrorists seem to not be overly concerned about the level of virginity involved.

    Overall, it can be said with confidence, that several trillion dollars spent on the bogus “War on Terror” has been a huge flop and media executives are in talks discussing new propaganda programming for the fall season.

    It’s all BS folks…because there’s a sucker born every minute.

  • Carrot Rabbit

    Try updating your report and also compare use 2001 to present and see the difference in results.

  • zilex

    Lol ,this article is really funny,its a great fairy tail,now if we go to a FBI site and do a search on terrorists we would see that 96 percent of the terrorists are muslims (murderers)and other 4 percent are animal activists damn those animal activists they are very dangerous.

  • vijay_rajan

    What a shload of rubbish meant to be flushed. Read this instead to understand the reason Islam is feared .

  • Grown9x9

    lol @ Radical Jews.. that’s just another name for “Black Hebrews!” At any rate somebody send this ink to #OrangeBoy cause he’s having a field day and helping to create fear mongering for the elite to setup their Elysium field.

  • edzuiderwijk

    Full marks for Dhimmytude.

  • richy rich

    This is propaganda AT BEST, probably written by a Muslim. The filthy cultists have quite a foothold in France,in fact lets ask, how is France enjoying their 8-10% Muslim population? Females walking around with black KKK style sheets covering their bodies, French neighborhoods that are no longer safe to walk through because they are infested with filthy Muslims, Muslims living as parasites off French social or health services, how’s all that going?

    Are you enjoying your Muslim population who HATE your country and are only there in an effort to someday drive French people out and make it an Islamic state? Once again, as we hear every few decades, the French need help from her allies. These filthy Muslim pigs molest children, leach from your French government and dispose you because you are infidels.

    Whoever wrote this article is talking out of their ass! The only other attack from foreign nationals on america was the japs, and how well did that work out for them? You can try to water down your statistics by including gang murders or other bullshit but the fact is that these filthy sub human scum dispose the west yet they infest the west and the world has had about enough of their behavior.

    Do you want to see REAL terrorist statistics? Go to THERELIGIONOFPEACE DOT COM. There you can get accurate information which proves the writer of this blog is either a filthy Muslim, or a brain dead Frenchman. I challenge you to look at that info and do an article which accurately reflects the threat that this cult poses to humanity as a whole. Humanity and Islam have NOTHING in common. Islam is a self serving cult where you can go to beat your wife, practice pedophile activities while hiding behind sharia laws and blame the rest of the world for your problems. It’s a sickness, a disease, and the hate spreading cult that it is will leave a shell of what once was France if you don’t face facts, FAST!

    • flyingrhino

      post a pic of your neck tattoo

  • Samyzud

    This chart is very misleading. It includes “vandalism” and “arson” – attacks with no human casualties in the list of “Terrorist attacks”. Also attacks on foreign soil against Americans, as well as thwarted terrorist attacks are not included. Finally because it does not present a picture of “extent of casualties and devastation” caused by these attacks (such as ones on 9/11 and Boston bombings) it creates a very distorted picture. Truth of the matter is – Islamic Terrorism is still the biggest threat to the World Peace.

  • Guest

    American drones hv killed more women and kids in Pakistan and yemen than so called Terrorists on 9/11 but the difference is that the world called 9/11 as an act of terror but those innocent kids killed in Drone attacks as terrorists because they are not Americans but poor Afghans or Pakistanies who lives are less worth than those of Americans.

  • Sherry Awan

    American drones hv killed more women and kids in Pakistan and Yemen than
    so called Terrorists on 9/11 but the difference is that the world
    calls that as an act of terror but when those innocent kids are killed in Drone
    attacks they are called as terrorists because they are not Americans but poor Afghans or
    Pakistanies whose lives are less worth than those of Americans.Its nothing more than Racisim on part of Americans who are quick to call all Muslims Terrorists (even though it was Al Queda a branch formly supported by their own government during Afghan Jihad against Soviet Infidels and represent 0.4 % of extremist Muslims ) but dont see their own actions when they slaughter innocent kids in cold blood??

  • Vagabond661

    brain dead apologists

  • Vagabond661
  • Julie Crory Telgenhoff

    The Muslim Brotherhood is a British/Zionist creation. The Zions create ALL wars, fund both sides and profit …Zions own the US. And 9/11 was NOT pulled off by a man in a cave who had Muslims using BOX CUTTERS (OMG the blade is sooooooooo long I’d be scared). AmeriKans are the most propagated species on earth. Luckily, this American woke up.

    • Tom Johnson

      Keep talking non-sense asshat.

    • Lea

      yea, blame everyone else, especially the jews, even though it was muslims who committed 9/11, you even believe your own lies….LOL>

  • Julie Crory Telgenhoff

    Al-qaeda is a data base. Al CIA da. Ha ha AmeriKans, you are so gullible.

    • Lea

      Yea, and that database sits in the Islamic bank of Saudi Arabia, and the OIC is its owner.

  • Paul

    When are you gonna understand, not every Muslim is a Terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslims
    What are you lefties thinking about, wait till one of yours gets it KNOBS

  • Proud American

    Many of the groups mentioned seem to be widely unknown. Further as you point out there are no data included for right wing groups. An additional consideration is the success of law enforcement but also a small group may committ many acts while a more populous group less. It would seem that a worthwhile question is why attack America in America versus interests abroad and culturally across the groups mentioned tolerance or even support of extremist . For the world politic who funds the international attacks ?

  • Charles Harvey

    Forgive them father for
    they do not know because they do not research and triple check the facts. They
    have eyes but cannot see, they have ears but to no hear because their minds are
    closed, and their hearts are filled with prejudice. They justify the hundreds
    of thousand’s innocent civilians we killed in wars started by American
    Politician, such as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Not one terrorist hijacker was
    from Iraq and Afghanistan. All but one was from the bushes closest friends The
    Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Bush gave permission to the only fight to leave the
    United States on the day of the 9-11 Attack. The plane had entire Osama bin
    Laden’s family members on that plane.

  • minespatch

    Mormon… Extremists? Wha?

  • The Mouse

    “Boston attack was more like Columbine than 9/11, and that the bombers are “murderers not terrorists”. Are you kidding me? LOOOOL The Columbine attackers did not yell out “Allah Akbar” or whatever Islamic fundies exclaim as they kill Christians and infidels. The Boston terrorists had an Islamic agenda and were not murdering for any other reason other than because they followed Muhammed. Sheesh. The sugarcoating is overwhelming!

    • Lea

      Evidence appears to have surfaced that connects Tim McVeigh with islamists.

  • NAS

    Peace…KKK and the evils perpetrated by sadistic slave owners were supposedly condoned by Christianity and Biblical teachings. These were acts of terror. As an African American Muslim woman, I have sense enough not to associate such acts with Christianity, Christians or the Bible. I also have sense enough to know that any such persons condoning such acts yet claiming themselves to be Christian or to be following Christianity are acting contrary to its mandates. Why then is it so complicated for some to make similar distinctions when it comes to Islam, Muslims or any other group/race? The hate is real, and it is scary.

    • Lea

      Because the Koran has injunctions that incite muslims to wage war on others.

    • commandergreen

      When was the last time you saw a Christian version of isis, 20k Muslims going around killing raping, beheading, you dumb fuck. Your religion is the worst of all of them, and I’m an atheist.

      • NAS

        Peace…you ignore my point and direct such anger toward me. Shall i exert energy to recapitulate what i already stated nearly a year ago. Yes, in case it softens your heart and opens your mind. An entire group/race/religion/organization/family/etc. should not be held accountable for the extremist acts conducted by those on the fringe who are acting contrary to its mandates and corrupting the perception of what the entire gropu/race/religion/organization/family/etc. actually stands for. As previously stated, many many people (20k +) commited attrocities in the name of Christianity, yet i, an AA-Muslim woman, no better than to condemn the entire White race or Christian religion for such acts despite the law of the land at one point in history literally condoning slavery, murder, subjugation and annihilation of Blacks and people of color. Those actions were/are not the doctrine of the Gospel/Jesus/Christianity despite several hundred years of it appearing to be. Please know that ISIS, Boko Haram, terrorists, suicide bombers and any others committing such eviks are acting contrary to Islam and despite calling themselves Muslim, are definitely not. If you, as so many others are doing, continue to disregard the reality i have expressed to you, then such a barrier of hate and misconception will never be removed and peace and interfaith discourse will never be possible. KKK, sadistic slave owners do not define Christianity for me. Okay. Please be careful in allowing media and ISIS/terrorists define Islam. M’kay

  • NCBrian

    I’m not sure mass-shootings should be counted unless they were politically motivated. that’s not terrorism, that’s mass murder.

  • tt2258

    except, you are including gun violence… which has nothing to do with TERRORISM…Muslims have carried out the most heinous acts of terrorism including beheading, 9/11, Kobar towers, boston bombings, and mutilation of their own children!

  • Elizabeth Cape Cod

    Terrorism is defined as “The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”
    Mass murder perpetrated by the mentally ill is not terrorism.
    The government doesn’t put all it’s resources together to protect superbowl games, marathons, the Olympics from random shooters with a gripe or mental illness.

  • David F

    We’re lucky here in the United States.

    From the 2011 NCTC Report on Terrorism, which is based on information available as of March 12, 2012:

    “Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist
    attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year,” the report says.
    “More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists,
    accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of
    all fatalities.”

    The report says that in 2011, a total of 10,283 terrorism attacks
    across the world killed 12,533 people. Terrorism also is blamed for
    25,903 injuries and 5,554 kidnappings.

    According to NCTC, of the 12,533 terrorism-related deaths worldwide,
    8,886 were perpetrated by “Sunni extremists,” 1,926 by
    “secular/political/anarchist” groups, 1,519 by “unknown” factions, 170
    by a category described as “other”, and 77 by “Neo-Nazi/Fascist/White
    Supremacist” groups.

  • c4p0ne

    Take a look the the below and above comments and witness the deep and penetrating hate and division furnished by the Abrahamic trinity of heinous myths. Watch as the self-deceived Zionists savagely attack their mortal goyam enemies while the hallucinating Islamists and Christians mirror that very same atrocious, white-hot blinding hate as closely they can, with the only goal in mind being to exceed it if possible. Watch as hate, in its purest, most pungent form (bickering over religious myth) is slapped back & forth between its delusionals as if it were the ball in a championship ping-pong tournament, the verbal vileness escalating with every serve.

    Thank you, religion of Abraham, for providing two millennia of rich & fertile ground for abject hate to flourish and proliferate, infecting even the occasional atheist/non-believer as an illustration of how powerfully parasitic mere words cobbled together by early century desert dwelling donkey riders can actually be.

    • mfh

      Kind of hypocrite aren’t you. Your vile hate filled post just shows who the hater is. Congrats, its you.

      • c4p0ne

        Rather, you confuse “hate” with facts, which is unsurprising, given the statement you’ve just made.

        • mfh

          Hate is hate.

          • c4p0ne

            And the religion of Abraham is bathed in it.

  • commandergreen

    Let’s look at 41 years of data without any context. Now the us is a mostly Christian country, Muslims are a minority, now when they are a minority the Muslims living there are weak and meek. As they start to increase in numbers they become confident and start pushing there extremist policies, are you seriously not looking at what’s going on in Europe. You leftists can’t really be that stupid can you but of course you dumb shirts think race is a social-construct

  • Davd Williams

    Ok, but I all count the IRS as a government sponsored terrorist organization. Because they can hunt you down and destroy you if you don’t believe in the church of Obama. I don’t see any US government agencies on this list though so it can’t be accurate.

  • White Anglo-Saxon Pagan

    More than 90% of terrorists aren’t the enemies of Israel. Of course we don’t care about them.

  • concernedcitizen

    What a load of left wing drivel!!!

  • Final Slooshin

    “An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.”

    True, but, although Muslims carried out few attacks, Muslim attacks accounted for more than 95% of victims killed by terrorism during that period. So the Muslim attacks, although few, were many times more lethal than the non-Muslim attacks.

  • Willy M

    Literally Laughing Out Loud. MORONS should be forced to get a license to write. (-;

  • blahking

    well….. this is awkward now…. for all of you of course… naturally. When are some of you people going to stop denying facts? Read the quran, read the Classical Manual of Islamic Sacred Law. All it took was to read those two books to know right away that Islam is not a religion of peace.

  • Bob Jackson

    Just wanted to say, good discussion on this blog by the commenters below, although, it could have been GREAT, had they all avoided using childish insults. But, after wading though the mud, the positions and debate was enlightening.

    Just wanted to say thanks to those who did some interesting research and posted their findings and position on this very inflammable subject. I would also like to say that I believe your statements of position will have greater value, if you refrain from letting your emotions get the best of you! Again thanks, I enjoyed reading most of the comments, which is something rare when it comes to these free comment areas.

    Have a nice day all!

  • Steve Pender

    Fascists, like the Nazis, are left wing… socialists; they are not right-wing. That’s part of re-writing history, just like not counting Muslim attacks as Muslim attacks. Many schools today have rewritten history to include information about the attacks of 9/11 without mentioning Islam, or even the countries of origin. Liberalism, you gotta love it.

  • Ryan Reyes

    Percent of attacks is one thing sure but the ammount of blood done by Islamic groups out strips the rest.

  • Mike

    This Article has more bullshit in it than any article I have ever read.

  • geo

    Looking at the above article that I don’t agree with at all. Try
    looking up the words “Crisis Actors” Watch them in action and what they
    do. Then read the article again and see if you agree??? All just fear

  • kstech

    Clown school journalism, that’s reclassifying other types of crimes and lumping them in with this category.

  • JeffLawrence

    The above article is total BS. written by an arab muslim with an agenda to “clear” the name of islamics. Take a look at this website regarding “peace-loving” muslims:

  • QuodSi Noluerit

    Lies, damned lies and statistics.

  • Sebastian Fudali

    Is there such pie chart for worldwide terrorism?

  • help

    what percentage of americans are muslim? because if it is less than 10% (which it is), then you have just wasted your time. shame

  • help

    also, 20th century wars were not done in the name of any religion. nor was any torture by the US army.. and all of this comes under huge criticism, and is abhorrent. give us something vaguely relevant here and we’ll listen.
    this attack was an attack on the media, on free expression.

  • thatintriguethough

    It would be great to see how the proportions change with each decade. 25 years have change world dynamis significantly…

  • Grant

    This is an absolutely misleading article, hiw many atatcks on american soil have classified as acts of terror, two… One was tim mcvey the other muslims extremeists, statically, 50% of all terror attacks on us soil were perprtrated by muslims ?

  • Mo Fei Chen

    Latin terrorists? Are those actually criminal cartels?

  • Bad Horse

    Diluting the current rise of Islamist extremism by averaging it over the past 40 years, and eliminating the past 8 years, is deliberately deceptive.

    I searched the GTD for all incidents from 2000-2013, requiring they meet qualifications I-III for being terrorist acts, and that they be unambiguous: 48108 incidents.
    I counted the number of “unknown” perpetrators in the first 100 incidents: 77
    Estimated number of terrorist acts from 2000-2013 with known perpetrators: 48108*.23 = 11065

    I then searching the GTD for 2000-2013 for all incidents with the same criteria, committed by Arab or Islamist organisations: 8643
    8643 / 11065 = .781.
    So, since 2000, 78% of all terrorist acts worldwide were committed by Muslims.

    • klay12

      Yep those terrorists acts correlate pretty well with our Iraq invasion. To quote the CIA this is blowback.

  • In light of the recent horrific crimes against Charlie Hebdo employees and other French citizens, it might be instructive to reflect upon the number of similar attacks against journalists and media outlets (newspapers, television stations, bloggers, private journalists, YouTube, Facebook, etc.) who have published images of Mohammed since the original Danish Cartoons Controversy of 2005. There must be millions of instances in the following 10 years of these entities reproducing objectionable (to Muslim fanatics) images of Mohammed. But how many have resulted in violence against the “instigators”? I can count them on one hand. Twice against Charlie Hebdo…and who else? If Islamist fundamentalists are so hell-bent on destroying anyone who “insults” their favorite prophet, why are actual acts of retribution so rare? Doesn’t this call into question anti-Muslim, xenophobic claims that anyone who dares to “insult” Mohammed and Muslims is a brave and courageous freedom fighter, while those who choose not to are “cowards” and “pussies”?

  • D.G. Ellen

    Right Wing extremists are the most peace loving group in America?
    Sorry… Someone must have pulled this chart out of their ass….

  • lola

    Who is the author????

  • jmpeavler

    Just in case you are interested in maintaining a “balanced” view.

  • wildthang

    We may even suspect the FBI behind some over the years.

  • Dan Bresnahan

    I’m starting to see a pattern here….

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
    The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
    The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
    The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
    The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims’
    Think of it:
    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    **********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************
    They’re not happy in Gaza
    They’re not happy in Egypt
    They’re not happy in Libya
    They’re not happy in Morocco
    They’re not happy in Iran
    They’re not happy in Iraq
    They’re not happy in Yemen
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan
    They’re not happy in Pakistan
    They’re not happy in Syria
    They’re not happy in Lebanon
    They’re not happy in Nigeria
    They’re not happy in Kenya
    They’re not happy in Sudan
    ******** So, where are they happy? **********
    They’re happy in Australia
    They’re happy in England
    They’re happy in Belgium
    They’re happy in France
    They’re happy in Italy
    They’re happy in Germany
    They’re happy in Sweden
    They’re happy in the USA & Canada
    They’re happy in Norway & India
    They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves… THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy!!!!

  • Beowulfe

    So just to be clear, the point of this article is to say that we have more to fear from Democrats and their constituents than from Muslim terrorists? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

  • SF

    Muslims constitutes only 0.6% of the American population and they contribute 6% of all terrorist activities in America. That means an average Muslim is 10 times probable to carry out a terrorist activity in America when compared to that of a non-Muslim guy. And as far as I know in terms of casualty the biggest terrorist assault on America was 9/11 which is done by people who follow the ‘religion of peace’.

  • St. Ferd III

    Wapo the lovers of Moslems….so you compare drug cartel shootings with Islamic Fascism ! Congrats on the stupid.

    How about this – Jews, Christians and Hindus have carried out how many attacks since 2000?


    Your dogma is disproven.

  • JoeLorenzo

    AT least 1 out 3 muslims are terrorists or agree with terrorists. 76% of Pakistan wants sharia law. Denmark has to inspect the female schoolchildren for genital mutilation and imprison the parents if they do it. This religion is yuck.

  • John Campbell

    Whoever put this line of malarkey up needs an education.

    This is the United States, not Europe. The left versus right in political speak in Europe runs to which flavor of socialist dictatorship you prefer and freedom need not apply. Left = communist and right = fascist. Either way it’s dictatorship.

    Here in the U.S we don’t use that. Extreme right is no government, A.K.A. anarchy, and extreme left is absolute total government control, A.K.A. any form of dictatorship.

    Purposefully proposing a pie chart and then complaining about it is a fine way to note one thing about the categories. With the exception of the grouping labeled as “others”, since we don’t know what “others” entails, all the other categories are in fact very much leftist. In fact, the political left here in the U.S. has been so wrapped up in trying to cover for themselves over the years that they now attempt to assign right-wing to anything they can via falsely labeling with the European version. Seems rather convenient for socialists to make such a claim since they can totally ignore freedom the same way many Europeans do. An instant promotion of themselves as freedom need not apply. This of course is brought on by the same people who, for whatever reason, cannot articulate what constitutes a right nor contrast a right to a privilege. This is what happens when a government rules over the people instead of the people ruling over their government with full protection of rights as their reason for their government to exist.

  • Karen

    So… based on the pie chart we should be more concerned about closing the border with Mexico, than Muslims?

  • nonohbo

    Define Terrorist???

  • SloStrokes

    Bull*hit. Been going on since Obonzo was leading the “Choom Gang Warriors”
    DateCountryCity/StateKilledInjuredDescription4/14/1972USANew York, NY13Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.1/19/1973USABrooklyn, NY11Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.7/1/1973USABethesda, MD10An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.7/18/1973USAWashington, DC82Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.10/19/1973USAOakland, CA11Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.10/29/1973USABerkeley, CA10A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.11/25/1973USAOakland, CA10A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.12/11/1973USAOakland, CA10A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.12/13/1973USAOakland, CA10A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.12/20/1973USAOakland, CA10Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.12/22/1973USAOakland, CA20Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.12/24/1973USAOakland, CA10A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.1/24/1974USAOakland, CA41Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.4/1/1974USAOakland, CA11A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.4/16/1974USAIngleside, CA10A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.3/9/1977USAWashington, DC11Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B’nai B’rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.7/22/1980USABethesda, MD10A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.8/31/1980USASavou, IL20An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.11/6/1989USASt. Louis, MO10A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing ‘dishonor’ to their family by dating an ‘infidel’ African-American.1/31/1990USATuscon, AZ10A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur’an were invalid.11/5/1990USANew York City, NY10An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.1/25/1993USALangley, VA23A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.2/26/1993USANew York, NY61040Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.3/1/1994USABrooklyn, NY10A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.3/23/1997USANew York, NY16A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.4/3/1997USALompoc, CA10A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.3/17/2000USAAtlanta, GA11A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.9/11/2001USAWashington, DC18453Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.9/11/2001USAShanksville, PA400Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.9/11/2001USANew York, NY2752251Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.3/19/2002USATuscon, AZ10A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.5/27/2002USADenton, TX10Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.7/4/2002USALos Angeles, CA20Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.9/5/2002USAClinton, MD10A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.9/21/2002USAMontgomery, AL11Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.9/23/2002USABaton Rouge, LA10A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.10/2/2002USAWheaton, MD10Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.10/3/2002USAMontgomery County, MD50Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.10/9/2002USAManassas, VA11A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.10/11/2002USAFredericksburg, VA10Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.10/14/2002USAArlington, VA10A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.10/22/2002USAAspen Hill, MD10A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.8/6/2003USAHouston, TX10After undergoing a ‘religious revival’, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4″ butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.12/2/2003USAChicago, IL10A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.4/13/2004USARaleigh, NC14An angry Muslim runs down five strangers with a car.4/15/2004USAScottsville, NY12In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.6/16/2006USABaltimore, MD10A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.6/25/2006USADenver, CO15Saying that it was ‘Allah’s choice’, a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.7/28/2006USASeattle, WA15An ‘angry’ Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.1/1/2008USAIrving, TX20A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their ‘Western’ lifestyle.7/6/2008USAJonesboro, GA10A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.2/12/2009USABuffalo, NY10The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.4/12/2009USAPhoenix, AZ20A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.6/1/2009USALittle Rock, AR11A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.11/2/2009USAGlendale, AZ11A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too ‘Westernized.’ (10-20-09)11/5/2009USAFt. Hood, TX1331A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.12/4/2009USABinghamton, NY10A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for ‘persecuted’ Muslims.4/14/2010USAMarquette Park, IL52After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to ‘take them back to Allah’ and out of the ‘world of sinners’.4/30/2011USAWarren, MI10A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.9/11/2011USAWaltham, MA30Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.1/15/2012USAHouston, TX10A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim.2/7/2013USABuena Vista, NJ20A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.3/24/2013USAAshtabula, OH10A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.4/15/2013USABoston, MA3264Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as ‘very religious’ detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.4/19/2013USABoston, MA11Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.8/4/2013USARichmond, CA10A convert “on a mission from Allah” stabs a store clerk to death.3/6/2014USAPort Bolivar, TX20A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.4/27/2014USASkyway, WA10A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.6/1/2014USASeattle, WA20Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.6/25/2014USAWest Orange, NJ10A 19-year-old college student is shot to death ‘in revenge’ for Muslim deaths overseas.9/25/2014USAMoore, OK11A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.

  • JohnCocktoastan

    Okay. This is hilarious. It should have been posted April 1. This is why we cannot trust academics. It’s obviously a biased post with an agenda. Why you would want to defend Islam I don’t know. A death cult that treats females like trash, a cult that kills homosexuals, a cult that will terrorize anyone who doesn’t submit. Yes, America, be proud of your intellectuals posturing in their ivory towers in your universities. They are enablers and dimwits. America is the problem not Islam. When you vote for a Muslim twice! for president you get what you deserve.

  • Jommy

    Idiots believe this crap! When it’s a mass muderer it is not a terrorist attack get an education it’s free here even for liars!

  • Admiral Ackbar

    this is a lie muslims have killed 270 million jews, genocide….

  • Admiral Ackbar

    is this another obama propaganda site?

  • harrison

    As long as the human race practises deity worship ,we as a speices will never truly go forward

  • discus

    What a fuckin lie,must be a Muslim writing this lie.Who do you think your fooling with this crap?

  • Steve

    This statistical anal’ lysis is seriously lame! Its outdated information for the u.s to compare with today and poorly used statistics seemingly intent on making a point about the level of terrorism from islam in general whether radical or moderate. It is counting events mixing and matching assaults/batteries and homicides and not comparing numbers for these equally plus it is not considering that many obviously terrorist attacks by muslims have been labeled work place violence by the current appeasement government in the u.s. Further it is counting homicides in the u.s. and comparing that to muslim terrorism deaths as comparable. Whoever did this is either lacking a statistics background or playing with the numbers hoping for an ignorant audience. That michigan professor stating that deaths from 20th century wars “could” be labeled christian terrorism doesn’t mention 20th century wars perpetrated by muslim terrorism such as 1971 bangladesh genocide by puke’astan that is purported to have killed between up to 3,000,000 people and raped 200,00-400,000 women or how about the armenian genocide of up to 1,500,000 people from 1915-1923 by the islime’ists. I seriously don’t mind answering posts like this since it serves as educational on how skewed lies of statistics manipulate the facts!

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  • spike

    When I see 20 men lined up who are shortly to have their heads chopped off because they are Christian; hear that girls as young as nine are raped, tortured, killed, forced into marriage with “men”, – all in the name of God – oh, my. Of course, it is the most frightening thing I have ever seen. I’ve just never read about any Jewish Terrorist attack, Cuban Terrorist attacks, etc. What are they talking about?

  • sanity

    more Jewish extremists than Muslims?! You’re out of your mind, jack.

  • What at bunch of pure crap – Every bit equal to the crap coming out of the White House…. One lie right after another…
    Evidently these so-call authors from the Washingtonsblogs have never read…
    Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

  • the

    But muslims are only 0.8% of the American population. 6% terrorism is still too high.

  • MarcF

    Sooner or later even with slanted numbers the numbers will be so glaring that no one will be able to write these PC articles anymore

  • I think they were just testing the Kurdish population and I believe that we should think of the worst, here is the full article Investigation Confirms That ISIS Utilizes Chemically Induced Weapons

  • The Infidel

    But the goathumpers have caused more deaths!

  • TruePatriot

    This study is a lie to take away from the fact that Islam is a political ideology that intends to destroy America from within. There are documented cases of every Muslim attack worldwide Since 911 and the numbers are in the tens of thousands. This is just more anti-American propaganda…

  • rayzee

    Another muslim apologist. Hey, Buddy, I don’t need misogynists and women mutilators and pederasts for neighbors. You taken them. And what a farce for your own article to state that, “…this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate.” And if you believe anything from that chart, you would be in favor of deporting EVERY single illegal alien and locking up the majority of Latinos.

  • Astraea_Muse

    This chart goes WAY beyond misleading. And the fact that it focuses on attack count, instead of actual casualties tells you much of what you need to know. Total death count, 3178 of which 2978 were from Islamic terrorists

  • Astraea_Muse

    Another missing bit: Percentage of the population. So 2.5% of attacks were by Muslims, who make up less than 1% of the population.

  • Watchmen

    Whole thing is misleading. Islamic extremist as terrorist has risen greatly in the 2000s, it’s state sponsored terrorism which is a great risk to the world than some nut home grown terrorist

  • herself311
  • matt miller

    Up to 42 total deaths now, due to non-Muslim terrorists, since 1970. How many deaths since 1970 due to Muslim terrorists? I count about 3,076, just since 2001. I couldn’t find reliable figures between 1970 and 2001. But even with spotting the Muslims and extra 31 years, they are still ahead by over 3000 in the body count…and that’s just on U.S. soil. Worldwide, the figures are staggering, but similar in the percentages.

  • Ncrdbl1

    LOL What a joke,. You select a period where the US government has been very diligent on preventing Islamic terrorist from entering the US. In fact a period there there are very few terror attacks on the US. Then you manipulate what is and is not a terror attack. Let’s look at today’s numbers. There has been on average 1 islamic terror attack on US soil per year under Obama.

  • Dmhalix

    Have to love how the majority of muslim terror crimes committed here in the united states are not even labeled as such, just like the christian guy murdered by 3 muslin immigrants in portland maine. here read the article as they do not list that his murderers were muslin nor that he was a christian this happens all the time across our country but the Politically correct main stream media helps bury these cases by leaving out the facts making it easier for them to claim how muslims are not committing terror acts ect

  • Vince Edmonds

    Lol … how about we go ahead and add the 2700 killed on 9/11 … plus lets add all the muz-slime attacks worldwide … now add the number of your dreamworld “right wing white supremacists” … lol .. (its just hilarious the crap you libtarded left-wing anti-American morons wish would happen to us) and you will find your pathetic attempt to villify american patriots (just like the last tyrant and his lemming worshippers tried to do) while flailing about trying to prop up your fellow terrorists of the muz-slime crowd … to be ludicrous at best. Treasonous at worst

    • Shinku

      Thank you I now have a name for the Eutopia of this lefties


  • William Mosco

    1980? why not go back to 1950 to hide the trend even more?

  • fla6166

    1980 to 2005? The information used in this “article”
    is over 10 years out of date. That alone makes this whole article irrelevant to
    any discussions today.

  • Dora Ruilova

    Really, I have a bridge I want to sell you…

  • andy

    i’d love to know how 10% of attacks made by 0.8% of population is something for people to shout about in this time of paranoia it’s only gonna make em shout told you so

  • James James

    The FACT remains, there have been 27,976 MUSLIM TERRORIST attacks since 9/11. NO OTHER GROUP comes close to this!

    The bogus article above is based on fallacious premises and definitions.

    Just in this last calendar week in March, the stats of MUSLIM TERRORIST ATTACKS are:

    Attacks 38
    Killed 261
    Injured 679
    Suicide Blasts 5
    Countries 14


    Go ahead and check it out, the stats are LEGIT!

  • Dogan9970

    Latino terrorist groups in the US?
    Get the facts straight…. Oh wait…. Never mind!

  • Max Mendelbaum

    This whole article is joke. That propaganda pie chart is absolute deception to its core. And your laundry list of Jewish terror groups are laughable & proves a bigotry against Jews. When analyzed properly one realizes that 94% of the terrorism that caused actual casualties were due to Islam terror in the name of Islam. The FBI included property damage like arson, as well as Malicious destruction which accounts for 63 of the 318 incidents. From the 3178 killed only 7 were done by Jewish NATIONALIST terrorist groups who were targeting not Americans b/c of religion at all but specific groups like White supremacists, Soviet communists, & Nazi’s who escaped Europe. Anyone that quotes LoonWatch can not be taken seriously.

  • John Grey

    I see lists of thousands of terrorist attacks across the world by Islam and websites saying that they make up only a small amount of the terror killings, yet they can’t seem to post a list of the non Islamic terror killings. It’s all talk and fake statistics.

  • Mary Catoir

    I don’t believe this and I think after doing a search last night. Many sites have been update and re written to reflect .. non truths. I have some old copied data and I am still trying to find my terrorist attack list.

  • ssinski

    Heres the even more baffling part, Muslims make up only 1% of the US population so wh% iles Jews are almost 2%. If your 1% of the population or 2% and your committing 6 or 7% then your group is committing to many terrorist acts because now its 3x or 6x the normal population.

  • gotrump1970

    this article is bullshit

  • Guest

    Since this data only dates back to 1980, it misses out on exploring a lot of other terrorist attacks in America’s history. For anyone curious about the history of terrorism within America’s own history, I highly recommend this book that studies both famous and hardly known terrorist attacks from 1865 to 2006:

    The ‘Four Waves’ theory is particularly compelling, to say the least. Part of the argument is that not all terrorist acts are religiously motivated. So, instead of continuing to argue in this forum about whether or not particular religious texts justify actions taken, read instead about the motives and thought processes behind some of America’s best known and lesser known terrorist plots.

  • dante

    Orlando, San Bernadino, Chattanooga, Ft. Hood are just four of the attacks by Islamist terrorists in the U.S. There’s a smattering of smaller attacks around the country. These add up to more than the “study” admits. The percentage of Muslims in society now is low, as that number increases violence will also increase.

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  • Andycane

    Why since 9/11?

  • Steve

    A major flaw of this article is the same problem one encounters with trying to say whites commit more crime than blacks. The problem is that proportionally the population is not factored into the acts of terrorism. In other words, if you take the numbers of terrorism and include the small number of proportionality of the muslim population to the rest of the country, that makes muslims much more likely to commit terrorism. The public at large sucks up garbage statistical reports that skew for their agenda.

  • Melc

    I see a contingency in the word “but,” meaning the author of this article made a total butt of himself. Meantime, Islamists have a galvanized a global jihad. None so blind as those that will not see.

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  • Shawn Mary Reid

    You’re insane and disgusting. The communist government didn’t even report all the crimes that happened here . The news definitely won’t report that . The sanctuary cities protect rapists and all crimes . It’s a revolving joke . Also you may to add that all Far leftists have committed 95% of the hundreds we’ve had in the past 2 decades . Don’t believe me it’s 100 % true . Who cares what race what religion someone is the left communists and anyone else with three sick agenda all stand together . Americans of all races have been watching all of sickening ppl for years . It’s all on tape . Carry on