All 6 Former Israeli Security Chiefs Slam Occupation of Palestine

“[We’ve Become] A Brutal Occupation Force Similar To Germans in World War II”

Criticism of Israeli policy by Israeli soldiers is taken much more seriously than criticism by outsiders.

Criticism of Israeli policy by its top security chiefs will be taken even more seriously.

Democracy Now reports today that all 6 former chiefs of Shin Bet – the agency responsible for Israel’s internal security, with the combined powers of an FBI and CIA – have criticized Israeli treatment of the Palestinians:

The stunning Oscar-nominated documentary, “The Gatekeepers” …  brings together six former heads of Israel’s internal security agency, the Shin Bet, collectively speaking out for the first time ever. They detail their methods against Palestinian militants and civilians in the Occupied Territories, including targeted killings, torture, recruiting informants, and the suppression of mass protests during two intifadas. But in doing so, they also criticize the occupation they were assigned with defending and warn that successive Israeli governments have endangered their country’s future by refusing to make peace. “We are making the lives of millions unbearable, into prolonged human suffering, [and] it kills me,” Carmi Gillon says in the film. “[We’ve become] a brutal occupation force similar to the Germans in World War II,” adds Avraham Shalom ….

Avraham Shalom – the Shin Bet leader who compared Israel to the Nazis – knows what he’s talking about:

And, by the way, Avraham Shalom was a young kid in Vienna in the 1930s. He didn’t know that he’s a Jew. He was forced to go to school after the Kristallnacht. He was almost beaten to death by his classmates. He felt firsthand what it means to be a Jew under a racist regime. And when he compares that, he compares the Israeli occupation to the Germans, that—like how the Germans treated the Poles, the Czechs, the Dutch, he knows what he speaks about. And I think that his worry is something that had resonance in me, as well, about what—where will it lead, the occupation—I mean, if it will continue like that.

The filmmaker says that the U.S. is doing the same thing. He’s right.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robin-Bass/1074034919 Robin Bass

    Very misleading title. As the filmmaker said in his interview:
    DROR MOREH: Well, look, I—I have to say that I a little bit feel uncomfortable in the way that you present the things here, because you portray the things as if Israel is the brutal, aggressive all the time, with the Palestinians, that they are like doves. There is reason why the Shin Bet is doing what it’s doing there. And the fact of the matter is that you cannot say—in a way, portray Israel as the aggressive and the Palestinians are the innocent bystander who are always being killed by those aggressive forces. It’s not the case at all, and I think that this is misleading the people that are watching that.”

    I also met Avi Dicter, on a recent mission to Israel, and he in no way indicated anything like “slamming” the occupation…as a matter of fact he was clear that Israel had to do whatever it needed to ensure its existence. I also met Yossi Peled, former IDF general, said basically the same thing. Obviously everyone wishes there could be peace, but to put all the pressure on Israel is, in my opinion, unfair, unjust and NOT what this filmmaker was trying to portray.

    • falasteeni

      the movie itself shows the israeli brutality

      • Noreligiontellthetruth

        Robin Bass is paid propaganda agent by and FOR sionists entity ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dean-Jackson/100000528158955 Dean Jackson

    Firstly, the term “Palestinian” was a national designation given to the inhabitants of the Jewish Homeland in 1922. Other than that, it had no ethnic/intrinsic nationalist* value, which is why the territory was re-named Israel on May 14, 1948 when the Jews declared independence.

    Secondly, Arab governments resurrected the defunct “Palestinian” name in 1964 (at the first Arab League summit in Cairo, Egypt, where the PLO was officially created and launched) when they were forced to alter their strategy towards Israel, because Israel in 1963 had either tested their first nuclear bomb or actually acquired their first nuclear bomb.**

    This brings us to the Six-Day War, which was planned (with the cooperation of the USSR) to be lost by Arab governments, so as to operationalize the Arab governments’ proxy strategy, using the newly-minted “Palestinians”.

    Note that Arab governments never did create an “Arab” state for West Bank/Gaza inhabitants between 1948 – 1963, nor a “Palestinian” state (when “Arabs” was changed to “Palestinians”) between 1964 – May 1967.

    The next phase of the Arab governments’ Long-Range Strategy will be to have Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza renounce their claim for an independent state and opt to become Israeli citizens instead, which is what they are according to the Palestine Mandate of 1922. When one throws in Arabs living in the refugee camps, the Jewish inhabitants of Israel will be electorally out-voted, leading to the reincorporation of the territory that is now Israel back into the Arab fold.

    There is, however, one tactic that Israel will use to thwart the “new” Arab governments’ Long-Range Strategy:

    Israel’s counter-strategy to offset the looming Arab electoral majority will be to offer Jews living all over the world automatic Israeli citizenship, thereby conferring the right to vote in Israeli elections, swinging the electoral balance back overwhelmingly to the Jewish side.

    Contemporaneous with events described above, watch for the fake “collapse” of the Chinese Communist government (following the last major Communist disinformation operation: The fraudulent collapse of the USSR. Both disinformation operations fall under the “Long-Range Policy”, the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto in 1960 to defeat the West.), when soon after that “collapse” Mexico will request the “assistance” of Chinese troops in combating the then spreading Mexico City-manufactured “drug wars” there. America, however, will be stymied from preventing the presence of Chinese troops in Mexico due to emergencies that will “suddenly” crop up in the Korean peninsula, the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
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    *”The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: “We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.”[60]” – Wikipedia, “Palestinian People”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

    and

    “An all-Palestine Congress was held in Jerusalem between January 27 and February 10, 1919, to formulate a common policy, called “program”, on Palestine to advise Faisal while attending the Paris Peace Conference on behalf of the Arabs. The Jerusalem Congress was presided over by ‘Aref Pasha al-Dajani who was, at the time, the president of the Jerusalem branch of the Muslim-Christian Association mentioned earlier. (Representatives of the Association also attended the General Syrian Congress in Damascus.)(8)

    The Jerusalem Congress, resolved to reject political Zionism and to accept British assistance on condition such assistance would not impinge upon Sovereignty in Palestine.(9) Basically, the Congress wanted Palestine to be part of an independent Syrian State to be governed by Faisal of the Hashemite family. It

    also preferred U.S. political tutelage, should this be necessary, or British tutelage, as a second choice, but under no circumstances would the Congress accept French political guardianship.” – PALESTINE:

    FACTIONALISM IN THE NATIONAL MOVEMENT (1919 – 1939), DR. MANUEL HASSASSIAN.

    http://www.passia.org/publications/Palestine/Pal-Book-All.pdf

    Note that DR. MANUEL HASSASSIAN inadvertently admits to the lie of the “distinct Palestinian People” when he writes, “Basically, the Congress wanted Palestine to be part of an independent Syrian State to be governed by Faisal of the Hashemite family.”

    In these consultations between Arab elites of Palestine circa 1919-1920, there was NO mention of the “distinct ethnic Palestinian people”. They referred to themselves as Syrian, Arab.

    ** Note: Arab governments held their first Arab League summit the very year after Israel’s reputed first test (or acquisition) of a nuclear bomb. The summit was necessary in order to implement a new Pan Arab government “Long-Range Strategy” towards Israel.

    • http://charlesfrith.blogspot.com/ Charles Frith

      So the Nazi sponsored Zionists stole the land from the Palestinians because it had no ethnic/intrinsic value apart from living there? That’s theft.

      • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

        The League of Nations created SIX states for the Arabs (Lebanon; Iraq; Jordan; Syria; Jabal al Druze; and The Alawite State) and one state for the Jews living in the former Ottoman Middle East…nothing was stolen, since Jews always lived in the Middle East. How could Jews steal land from Arabs under (1) the Ottoman Empire; or (2) under the British Mandate? You’re repeating nonsensical lies from Arab governments.

        The “Palestinian” nationality was created for the Jews in 1922 via the League of Nations mandate for the Jewish Homeland (I’m certain you had no problems with the other six mandates in the former Ottoman Middle East.). Then in 1963 the “Palestinian” nationality was suddenly resurrected from its May 14, 1948 tomb, without any fanfare in the news(!), even though that nationality was despised by Arabs between 1020-1948, because it represented the JEWISH HOMELAND’S nationality!

        In other words (once again), Arab governments created a fake nationality in order to continue their war with the Jewish state. Now, watch for Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza renouncing a “two-state option” for a “one-state option”.

        • finnja

          Who cares what they called themselves. They freaking lived there. Some still have the keys to the houses from which they were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba. If that is not enought to give them a right to return, then surely a two thousand year absence of one’s ancestors from the area gives one no right to return there.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “Who cares what they called themselves.”

            Obviously not you, who can’t spot the in-your-face lie, and doesn’t care WHY the big lie was concocted back in 1963.

            How about who cares why the Apache nation now calls itself Mohawk?

  • gman

    “Criticism of Israeli policy by its top security chiefs will be taken even more seriously.”

    yeah, so what? it’s the ones IN OFFICE that SET POLICY. and those in office always seem to think they’re doing just fine.

  • craigpurcell

    Dror seems to be wanting to get to the truth of the situation while “Democracy Now” seems to want to have a way they want to slant things – very complicated to have battle space in and among civilian populations while the rules of modern warfare and engagement have changed. Doesn’t seem like anyone other than the two sides can resolve things.

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  • Doug Nusbaum

    http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html?chocaid=397

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

    http://www.targetofopportunity.com/political_quotes_islam.htm

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/072414-710266-islamist-hatred-and-dedication-to-destruction-of-israel-make-peace-impossible.htm?ref=SeeAlso

    some quotes from the charter: For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails.

    The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

    Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. “Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep.”

    Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

    So what do we know from the words of the Palestinians and their government and its charter.

    They prefer death to life, and the greatest thing that they can do is to die for their cause

    They will not rest until all of Israel is theirs, and all the Jews are dead.

    Well to bad for them. They are just whiny and stupid (Average Arab IQ by almost every measure is under 90. There are states in this country that publish more books than all of Arabia, they invent almost nothing, they create almost nothing. All that they can do is kill and consume the wealth derived form their oil) And since death and martyrdom is their goal in life, then why are they complaining? See links and quotes at the top. Of more interest is why are all non-palestinians supporting them? Cause, according to their belief system, you, whoever you are, if you are not Muslim, then you are next. And after all the non muslims are dead, then they will start killing each other as they so often do when there are no other soft targets around.

    They prefer soft targets because, given their limited intellect, that is all that they can really handle. Ever heard of an arap fighter plane? How about an arab weapon of any kind that is not just a box of nails and some stolen explosives. (Iran is persian, not arab)

    The only reason that anyone is complaining about the deaths of these arabs is because Jews are involved. The entire world, especially Arabs, put little value on the lives of arabs. The lives of arab women have zero value except as property. One a-sexual american once said that sex is like having someone else blow your nose for you. This is pretty much how Arab culture views women, as something to use for the sexual equivelant of blowing a mans nose. But women are the source of life in the civilized world. So you have a culture whose highest goal is death, does not see women as anything more than a mans property to be used and discarded when it no longer pleases him, does not invent or create anything and very well knows the lives of its members have a value of just above zero. When Arabs are killing each other at a rate of over 200 per day for over three years as in Syria, no one cares. Add in Iraq at 300 per week, and Libya at — well whose counting any more? And nobody cares. Because Arabs killing Arabs is not news. It is what they do. And recently, as of July 29, 2014 the death rate has been over 300 per day.

    Since the people complaining hate Jews so much how about if you hate us so much you can Join the BDS movement. You can start by refusing to use anything that uses, as the nazis called it, Jewish science. Give up your cell phones and computers, and go live in a cave.

    Special note to girls. What exactly are your thoughts on honor killing, and having your labia and clitoris removed? If you are part of the GLTB community you will be stoned to death in Palestine!!!

    Still not sufficient evidence of the existential threat that Israel faces? Then compare the quotes from Hitler including those from mein Kampf with the above segments from the Founding charter of Hamas:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kampf.html

    http://www.mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf-Hitler-about-the-Jews.php

    The Jews are not stupid. They actually learn from experience. When they said Never Again, they meant it, and they have 75 to 400 nuclear weapons including many on submarines, and a sampson option to back up their position.

    People complain that Israel does not want a two state solution. Well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. As I said above, the Isralies are NOT stupid.

    “At present we have a problem with the territory called Gaza,” the prime minister said. But the West Bank is 20 times the size of Gaza. Israel, he said flatly, was not prepared “to create another 20 Gazas” in the West Bank.

    • Not Dougie Nausbum Doom

      Dougie Nausbum, two words might help you out of that rut you’re in: “no other”
      If you weren’t so determined to divide our world into “Us” and “Them”, those YOU hate and those you might tolerate…
      If you spent some time getting to know some of the people you’ve demonized in your head, you know the truth. And the truth is NOT in that egoic delusion you’re incessantly crafting in your head.
      1.8 million Gazans, only 15000 Hamas. 900,000 are under 14 years old!

      NONE of those kids subscribe to any of the practices you fetishize about Douggie. You live and breath war, reading your enemy’s charters religiously, like a dogmatic fundamentalist, no different than those you’re trying so desperately to demonize, just to feel ‘right’ and make the ‘others’ ‘wrong’.

      Ever hear of visualization? I sure as hell wouldn’t want to party with you, Mr. Doom. Too much heroin and beer, not enough Love, which would be seeing yourself through the illusion of the ‘separate other’ and realizing there are no others.

    • Not Dougie Nausbum Doom

      Wow, Dougie…. So much research and info. You must have a big brain filled with all kinds of dark matter…. For your own sake, turn on some light.

    • Pro-PalesBecauseI’mProHumanRts

      Doug you must be completely ignorant to say that Arabs have not contributed anything to this world. Your stereotype is in line with FoxNews – that says a lot. Heard of Dr. Michael DeBakey? Ralph Nader? …just to name a few. Your information about Islam is completely ignorant and misguided – you are speaking of extremists! There are extremists in EVERY religion and country. The good ole USA has had its fair share of whack jobs who have brainwashed and killed thousands. You generalize all Arabs which is the equivalent of saying all AMERICANS are the same. Like saying all Americans from the South are stupid and racist. All New Yorkers are rude. Islamaphopia is the equivalent of anti-Semitic but you don’t hear Arabs pulling that card out and crying about it. You really need to stop watching FoxNews – stop believing all the BS that you read and actually go visit an Arab country. The ideas you have in your head are ridiculous and only pertain to extremists and hard-core islamic nations. Get a life

 

 

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