Former Marine Indefinitely Detained In Psychiatric Ward Over 9/11 Facebook Posts

Marine Locked In Mental Ward for Questioning 9/11

Former marine Brandon Raub was carted off by the Feds and locked in a psychiatric ward for his Facebook posts questioning the government’s version of 9/11.

Raub isn’t the first person who has suffered this fate.  Claire Swinney was also held in a psychiatric ward and called “delusional” for claiming government liability for 9/11.   Others have been committed for the same reason over the last decade.

Surely the Feds are right … that kind of talk is crazy, right?

Maybe.  But many of the 9/11 Commissioners themselves don’t buy what the government says about 9/11, they say that the government has covered up the state sponsorship of the 9/11 hijackers, and .

Indeed, while they obviously haven’t said that the government was involved, 9/11 Commissioners have said we need further investigation and that the American people should question 9/11.  Does that mean they should they be committed to the same psych ward which Mr. Raub and Ms. Swinney enjoyed?  Of course not.

Some people believe that 9/11 was wholly unforeseeable.  Others believe that government personnel were criminally negligent in letting 9/11 happen, and then obstructed justice to cover it up.  See this, this, this, this, and this.   Still others believe that rogue government personnel allowed 9/11 to happen, or even played a role in the attacks themselves.

Whatever one believes about 9/11, isn’t our society built on freedom of speech? And if someone has kooky theories, won’t the scientific method and free debate defeat the baseless theories? Isn’t that what modern society is all about?

Raub’s attorney – the head of the non-partisan civil rights law firm The Rutherford Institute – points out that Raub is being indefinitely detained, and says:

For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here.”

What Do Mental Health Professionals Say About Those Who Question 9/11?

Many sociologists and mental health professionals say that those who believe the official version without any questioning are the ones suffering from psychological defense mechanisms.


Sociologists say that fear of terrorism has made people blindly accept false justifications for war – including the false claim that Saddam had a hand in 9/11 (when even the 9/11 Commission says he didn’t).

And the following mental health professionals say that questioning the government’s cut-and-dried version of 9/11 is the sane thing to do:

  • Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
  • Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Rutgers University Barry R. Komisaruk
  • Distinguished Professor in the Department of Mental Health Law and Policy, Professor of Medicine in the Department of Internal Medicine and Distinguished Professor of Global Health in the College of Public Health, University of South Florida, Michael D. Knox
  • Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey Laura Schafer
  • Professor Emeritus, Psychology and Neuroscience, Beckman Institute, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Michael Gabriel
  • Former Chief Mental Health Coordinator and Director of Manpower Development and Training, Massachusetts Department of Mental Health, and Lecturer in Psychology, Boston University Herbert Hoffman
  • Professor of Psychology, University of Chicago and Northwestern University Jack Sawyer
  • Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner
  • Professor Emeritus, Psychology, University of Marburg Gert Sommer
  • Professor of Psychology, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Ralph Hood
  • Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Jefferson Medical College. Former Major, U.S. Army Medical Corps, Vietnam Veteran 7 years service, Jon Bjornson, MD
  • Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech

There are many other mental health professionals who agree.

Why Are Some Psychologists So Dogmatic?

Russian psychiatrists famously aided Stalin in applying fake insanity diagnoses to political dissenters.

Similarly, American apologists for the powers-that-be are eager to label anyone “taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, … and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook” as worthy of a trip to the insane asylum. (Those traits may also get one labeled as a potential terrorist.)

But most mental health professionals who assume that those who question 9/11 are crazy are simply victims of the the “Martha Mitchell Effect”:

The process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician mistakes the patient’s perception of real events as delusional and misdiagnoses accordingly.

The authors of a paper on this phenomenon (Bell, V., Halligan, P.W., Ellis, H.D. (2003) Beliefs About Delusions. The Psychologist, 6 (8), 418-422) conclude:

Sometimes, improbable reports are erroneously assumed to be symptoms of mental illness [due to a] failure or inability to verify whether the events have actually taken place, no matter how improbable intuitively they might appear to the busy clinician.

In other words, psychologists who haven’t taken the time to examine for themselves the claims of their patients will tend to label as delusional anything which they “intuitively” feel is improbable.

As such, psychologists and psychiatrists are just as prone to acting out their irrational prejudices as anyone else … unless they take the time to investigate and educate themselves.

Postscript:  We do not condone violence.  Virtually all those who question the government’s version of 9/11 are peaceful, non-violent folks.

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  • http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/ Dredd

    Great post.

    This following your previous post about the ammunition indicates a government that has gone beyond the Rubicon (When You Are Governed By Psychopaths).

  • Joseph

    Architects &Engineers for 911 Truth, nearly 2000 credentialed professionals, have agreed that the buildings were blown up. No airplanes, no pancake theory will suffice. No other explanation than controlled demolition will fit the observed facts. Start here with the concrete facts. Then proceed into the slippery political domain. Never begin with the political and try to establish facts. Can’t be done. There is no question that 911 was an inside job. Does the lad who points out that the king is naked get rendered to a psych ward? I don’t believe the king wins out, but I’m not sure how the story ends….

    • Lance

      That explosives were used in helping to bring down the towers, and building 7, after viewing all the video evidence is plausible . However, this does not take into account the “disintegration” of the tops of the building, especially the broadcast tower on one of the towers, as the buildings collapsed. Nor does it take into account the cars and trucks paint being scorched in some areas around the towers. Only a directed energy weapon could cause these effects. Gee, I wonder who has that technology?

    • http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/ Big Dan

      Frankly, there ARE NO EXPERTS (not connected to the government: NIST) that back the official story. That’s exactly why I don’t believe it. I researched and found THOUSANDS of real experts that DON’T believe the official story. It’s pretty simple. I go with the overwhelming amount of experts and proof.

  • Lance

    Most people don’t investigate thoroughly any of the credible evidence that is available via the Internet concerning 9/11, or many other past “events”, or even what is going on now. Even if you show them the evidence, give them websites to go to, etc., they will, in most cases, not believe it, or not even want to look at it. It has recently been revealed that there are counter-intelligence agents, either human or artificial, that post responses that are directed towards a poster, blogger, etc., in order to demean or discredit them and their information. In fact, information about this is posted on this website!

  • dan

    excellent post, and well done interviews….

  • http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/article.php3?id_article=161 Blair T. Longley

    I have often found that when I post on public fora my views regarding 9/11/2001 events, someone responds by asserting I am insane. I also find that when I back my assertions up, those are ignored.

    I can somewhat sympathize with that, since I deliberately ignored the 9/11 events, as much as I could, for the first five years after they happened. However, like millions of other people, in the Spring of 2006 I finally watched some of the free videos on that topic. After that, I became fascinated by the attempt to figure out what the “9/11 Truth” might be. (I kept a public record of my attempts to do that since then, on our Web site.)

    During that process I finally confirmed my generalized notions beforehand into much more focused theories. Now, I tend to go back to the earliest book on the Art of War, as my starting point, which starts off by saying that success in war depends on deceit, and ends by saying that spies are the most important soldiers. Thousands of years of human history have confirmed that was the nature of militarism. Since states were made in the crucible of conflicts, and those who won wars controlled civilizations, the general situation has ALWAYS been that societies were controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. Indeed, if one thinks more abstractly about energy laws, and general systems theory, one can derive that idea from those first principles.

    The most labile component controls the system. In human systems, those are the most dishonest and violent people. Everything goes down its path of least resistance. In the human systems, that means everything actually goes down the path of least resistance. Only by organizing resistance could we change that path of least resistance. However, there are deeper and deeper problems there!!!

    There are infinite tunnels of deceits, and the lies are different at every level. Thus, the “truth” ends up being sublimely paradoxical. From a practical point of view, the problem is that the established effective control of the education systems and mass media by tiny elites means that most people were brainwashed their whole life, rather than taught critical thinking skills. Therefore, our society appears to be easily dominated by those who are the best at being dishonest. The history that made War King transformed to make Fraud King.

    Since Fraud is King of our “civilization,” waking up to those social facts takes many people way, way out of their comfort zone, regarding what they believed before, and would still like to believe, if they could.

    With respect to 9/11 in particular, I repeat the obvious point that almost everyone else who studies that makes: namely one should watch some of the videos about how the World Trade Centre Towers were constructed in some of the historical videos about that which are available, and then look at the videos about how they collapsed. Anyone who does that eventually has to face the facts about the substance where iron and a little carbon, are alloyed to make steel.

    Common sense and the physics of steel-frame buildings is at the root of my views regarding “9/11 Truth.” Those views are basically the same as most of the architects and engineers who had the biggest personal problem with accepting the absurd official story about the collapsing of those buildings. IF the official story was true, then we should have drastically changed the way we construct steel-frame skyscrapers. However, of course, on the contrary, the obvious conclusion is that the official story was a pack of LIES. Believing in the official story about 9/11 requires believing in an utterly absurd conspiracy theory, that contradicts the common sense and physical science facts, over and over again, the more that one researches the matter! Thus, I repeat the tremendous irony: Welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World, Folks. Almost everything is totally backwards, since the people who were best at being dishonest are controlling our whole civilization!!!

    People who believe the official story are the ones that are insane! What the implicitly believe about how the substance steel behaves is completely crazy! However, unfortunately, that means serious battle lines have been drawn, and almost all the wealth and power is on the side of those who promoted the huge lies about 9/11. Like almost everyone else who looks into the matter enough, I also agree that it is many times more terrifying to face more of the most probably real 9/11 truth, than to continue to believe in the fairy tales were were told by the mass media! Fundamentally, the PROBLEM is that our society is STILL being controlled by the people who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, and I am not aware of any practically possible ways to change that in the foreseeable future. Indeed, there are theoretical reasons to believe we could only muddle through that madness.

  • Piney Wood Pete

    Let’s go get him – bust him out. Who’s with me?

  • Piney Wood Pete

    If I were a Marine, I’d expect my buddies to come get me – wouldn’t you? There isn’t a commitment order, there is no arrest warrant…he is being held illegally. It is most justified for citizens and/or formerly enlisted or active duty Marines to go get him. Semper Fi? Prove it!

  • Wooten Berston

    I walked away from the psych business (and business it is; not a science, nor a medical profession) when I realized it is nothing but freelance social control, hired by the oligarchy to puppetize and subtly terrorize the citizenry. The mindf**kers will say anything.. anything.. that puts another dollar in their pocket, another notch on their veedo, or advances their narcissistic self-image irregardless of the moral consequences.

    The lowest ebb, of course, is when members of the American pysch association not only condoned torture but hired out to the military as professional torturers!!!

    Yes, remember when we used to condemn the communists for using fake “mental health” charges against dissidents. What scum they were. And now..

    Indeed.

    • http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/article.php3?id_article=161 Blair T. Longley

      I totally agree with that!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nbZCNDgbY

      The Marketing of Madness (1/18)

      The saying that one should FOLLOW THE MONEY,
      applies most to following the money to its SOURCE!

      One arrives at the fountain head of the King of Fraud.

      Money systems are backed by murder systems:

      debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits.

      That is becoming debt insanity, because it is
      backed up by astronomically sized huge lies!

  • Barnetnetdotnet

    The question is not what happened, we know that. The question is why is the so called evidence still classified? Fifty years after the JFK assassination thousands of pages of evidence is still secret and unavailable to the public. Why? National security? Bunk!

    It’s the government mushroom technique at work “Keep them in the dark and feed them shit.”

    May I recommend Machiavelli’s The Prince for starters this has been going on for a long, long time

    T

  • gozounlimited

    While our ‘leadership’ and hope to be leaders discuss the various ways a woman can be raped …. the rape that occurred on 9-11 goes without explanation ….. until now …..

    9/11 “hijackers” were CIA agents – WHISTLEBLOWER COMES FORWARD …. see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB6k21Yyh7I

    The 9/11 Cover-Up Is Even More Significant Than The Event Itself ! …. see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbqV8YBYldY

    • gozounlimited

      I too was subject to the white coats sent by a Cali Senator in response to my complaint about negative health effects resulting from low altitude chemspray (attack) unloaded over my house. I was able to convince the “authorities” that due to my MSW, they could be assured that I was as sane as the rubber gloves lining the hands of the police woman ready to feel me up. Due to the significant evidence still lingering in the air …. I was able to convince the apostles of doom that if my Senator would just simply stop the death dumps ….. everything would be hunky-dory. With a sigh of relief the authorities packed themselves up, prepared to deliver my message along with their own eye witness account, to my so-concerned Senator. Never heard from Ms. Boxer again.

  • steven andresen

    I go along with Blair when he said,

    “…Common sense and the physics of steel-frame buildings is at the root of my views regarding “9/11 Truth.” Those views are basically the same as most of the architects and engineers who had the biggest personal problem with accepting the absurd official story about the collapsing of those buildings. IF the official story was true, then we should have drastically changed the way we construct steel-frame skyscrapers. However, of course, on the contrary, the obvious conclusion is that the official story was a pack of LIES. …”

    This line of thinking about how the Towers were constructed goes to question whether the planes alone could have brought them down.

    I think the main point about the event was that there was only an inadequate investigation into what happened, an investigation which, apparently, had a pre-concieved conclusion in mind. The official story was made to establish that it was the planes run by terrorists that brought down the buildings.

    One problem was, as I understand it, the crime scene was packed up and thrown away. Another, is that the video evidence, as at the Pentagon and the airports, was confiscated, destroyed, or altered.

    The main problem faced by the 9-11 Truth people is that they claim that we should suspect the people who were then in charge of the investigation were themselves probably involved in planning and carrying out the Tower murders, and would, hence, be involved in covering up their involvement.

    Those people who argued that you have to start with the political, instead of the evidence, were pointing out that if the 9-11 claims about the government were correct, then the evidence available would be contaminated from the beginning. The government would only allow evidence which would support their “official” story, and destroy any evidence that would seriously contradict it.

    Any cover-up would begin at the evidence.

    So, now, even though we have doubts that the planes could have brought down any steel-framed buildings, such as the Towers, there is not a sufficient amount of evidence that there was anything else involved. The residue of suspicious chemistry going on has not been enough to challenge the official story.

    A better challenge would be to point out how the official report failed to diligently examine the crime scene, the supposed perpetrators, and all those involved in the buildings.

    About the marine, is there anything unusual about a person writing about 9-11 and suggesting that great wrongs have been done, possibly by one’s government, and calling out that something must be done? No, there is nothing unusual about that.

    Why, then is this marine being made into a story? Apparently, there was no evidence that the marine had psychological issues other than the fact that, as was said in the story, he had been writing on a blog about 9-11.

    There are military people all over the country who are commiting suicide. There were 35 plus just this month. Why aren’t the FBI out handcuffing soldiers all over the place to put them away in psych wards for their own good… to keep them from suicide, etc. Or are military personel talking about 9-11 the only ones on a watch list?

    I would also wonder whether that’s where this marine will be going.

  • John R

    This country is sick

  • James

    Excellent article illustrating how the US is criminalizing thought/speech. A good documentary highlighting this phenomenon and the Soviets’ use of psychiatry to suppress political dissent, is the CCHR’s Psychiatry: An Industry of Death.

  • Pat C.

    What the AP article irresponsibly fails to mention is that the ‘Sharpen my axe’ post is a popular line from the song ‘Bring Me Down’ by the major rap group Swollen Members. Raub had other songs by the rap group posted on his wall as well as a large number of other hip-hop related posts. Posting of violent rap lyrics on facebook walls is commonplace and not cause for concern.

  • http://rehmat1.com/ Rehmat

    Canadian-born Israeli writer and author, Barry Chamish is one of the most radical, out-of-control Zionists you’ll ever meet. Recently, in an interview he gave to Salem-News he admitted that “Labour Zionist Jews in Israel and the US were responsible for the 9/11 tragedy. However, he blame Shimon Peres and Ehud Barak for masterminding the 9/11 instead of Benjamin Netanyahu.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/08/22/israeli-jew-author-zionists-did-911/

  • BlessTheUSA

    STOP AND THINK !! LEARN FROM THIS !! Brandon is vulnerable because some of his posts could be perceived as condoning violence. Remember Dr. Martin Luther King and his teachings of non-violence .. Dr. King taught us how to avoid what is happening to Brandon. We can help Brandon by using non-violent protest. He should not be detained without due process of law. Even if he is suspected of being a danger to society, he should be charged with something before he can be detained against his will.

  • nutjob

    All you 911 nutjobs on here saying all these experts say it was an inside job are talking out your butt hole. None of these idiots are experts, not one. They are nutjobs, plain and simple. 911 was not an inside job, nobody but a nutjob thinks it was an inside job. You people are morons ha ha ha ha

    • Dutch

      Nutjob, I think you meant “bahhh, bahhh, bahhh”.

      Do you think your thoughtless devotion will get you a seat at the table? That is the real joke.

      You’ll be on the menu. Lamb Chops. From the fattest sheep, who gobbled up the most of their slop.

  • SAOIRSE

    whoa–no comments on being illegally detained in a psych unit for exercising freedom of speech ?
    and PLEASE,don’t hold up the mental health pros as shining lights either as THAT bunch does the SAME THING and worse by “losing” your family members,”disappearing ” them or SIMPLY HOLDING THEM without court orders ,without charges THE SAME and can even bar you from visitation ,transfer them without notification,no information on the DESTINATION,etc etc.and all without court.
    PRISONERS HAVE MORE RIGHTS than those illegally detained in a psych unit.

 

 

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