FBI Director: I Have to Check to See If Obama Has the Right to Assassinate Americans On U.S. Soil

Yes, Obama Claims Power to Kill Americans on U.S. Soil

Fox News reports:

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Wednesday said he would have to go back and check with the Department of Justice whether Attorney General Eric Holder’s “[criteria] for the targeted killing of Americans also applied to Americans inside the U.S.

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“I have to go back. Uh, I’m not certain whether that was addressed or not,” Mueller said when asked by Rep. Tom Graves, R-Ga., about a distinction between domestic and foreign targeting

Graves followed up asking whether “from a historical perspective,” the federal government has “the ability to kill a U.S. citizen on United States soil or just overseas.”

“I’m going to defer that to others in the Department of Justice,” Mueller replied.

Indeed, Holder’s Monday speech at Northwestern University seemed to leave the door open.

Constitutional expert Jonathan Turley writes:

One would hope that the FBI Director would have a handle on a few details guiding his responsibilities, including whether he can kill citizens without a charge or court order.

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He appeared unclear whether he had the power under the Obama Kill Doctrine or, in the very least, was unwilling to discuss that power. For civil libertarians, the answer should be easy: “Of course, I do not have that power under the Constitution.”

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The claim that they are following self-imposed “limits” which are meaningless — particularly in a system that is premised on the availability of judicial review. The Administration has never said that the [Law Of Armed Conflicts] does not allow the same powers to be used in the United States. It would be an easy thing to state. Holder can affirmatively state that the President’s inherent power to kill citizens exists only outside of the country. He can then explain where those limits are found in the Constitution and why they do not apply equally to a citizen in London or Berlin. Holder was not describing a constitutional process of review. They have dressed up a self-imposed review of a unilateral power as due process. Any authoritarian measure can be dressed up as carefully executed according to balancing tests, but that does not constitute any real constitutional analysis. It is at best a loose analogy to constitutional analysis.

When reporters asked the Justice Department about Mueller’s apparent uncertainty, they responded that the answer is “pretty straightforward.” They then offered an evasive response. They simply said (as we all know) that “[t]he legal framework (Holder) laid out applies to U.S. citizens outside of U.S.” We got that from the use of the word “abroad.” However, the question is how this inherent authority is limited as it has been articulated by Holder and others. What is the limiting principle? If the President cannot order the killing of a citizen in the United States, Holder can simply say so (and inform the FBI Director who would likely be involved in such a killing). In doing so, he can then explain the source of that limitation and why it does not apply with citizens in places like London. What we have is a purely internal review that balances the practicality of arrest and the urgency of the matter in the view of the President. Since the panel is the extension of his authority, he can presumably disregard their recommendations or order a killing without their approval. Since the Administration has emphasized that the “battlefield” in this “war on terror” is not limited to a particular country, the assumption is that the President’s authority is commensurate with that threat or limitless theater of operation. Indeed, the Justice Department has repeatedly stated that the war is being fought in the United States as well as other nations.

Thus, Mueller’s uncertainty is understandable . . . and dangerous. The Framers created a system of objective due process in a system of checks and balances. Obama has introduced an undefined and self-imposed system of review ….

Before you assume that Mueller’s comments are being blown out of proportion, remember that it has been clear for some time that Obama has claimed the power to assassinate U.S. citizens within the U.S. As we pointed out in December:

I’ve previously noted that Obama says that he can assassinate American citizens living on U.S. soil.

This admittedly sounds over-the-top. But one of the nation’s top constitutional and military law experts – Jonathan Turley – agrees.

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Turley said [on C-Span]:

President Obama has just stated a policy that he can have any American citizen killed without any charge, without any review, except his own. If he’s satisfied that you are a terrorist, he says that he can kill you anywhere in the world including in the United States.

Two of his aides just … reaffirmed they believe that American citizens can be killed on the order of the President anywhere including the United States.

You’ve now got a president who says that he can kill you on his own discretion. He can jail you indefinitely on his own discretion

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I don’t think the the Framers ever anticipated that [the American people would be so apathetic]. They assumed that people would hold their liberties close, and that they wouldn’t relax …

Indeed, given that virtually any American could be considered a suspected terrorist these days, no one is safe from an all-powerful president’s whims.

As I noted in another context, circular reasoning provides all the justification needed:

The government’s indefinite detention policy – stripped of it’s spin – is literally insane, and based on circular reasoning. Stripped of p.r., this is the actual policy:

  • If you are an enemy combatant or a threat to national security, we will detain you indefinitely until the war is over
  • But trust us, we know you are an enemy combatant and a threat to national security

See how that works?

And – given that U.S. soldiers admit that if they accidentally kill innocent Iraqis and Afghanis, they then “drop” automatic weapons near their body so they can pretend they were militants – it is unlikely that the government would ever admit that an American citizen it assassinated was an innocent civilian who has nothing at all to do with terrorism.

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  • http://www.acmeartscollective.com/acmerecords acmerecords

    the horrific trail leads from john mitchell through ed meese straight into gonzo&holder – welcome home, prisoners, to the #endofameica … http://acmeartscollective.com/thedemise/2012/03/08/v2-03-08-12/

    • Hugh Jorgan

      Was it not former FBI director that gave the “shoot to kill” order against Randy Weaver at
      Ruby Ridge? That was American soil. Where is he now?

      • TinaW

        Randy Weaver sued the Federal Gubment and won millions of dollars, it did not bring his wife and child back from the grave.

  • Eric Blood Axe

    Next, of course, is “Presiden for Life”.

  • Gil Gamesh

    More proof, as though it were needed, that stateless terror is trifling compared to State Terror. As the US government loses what little legitimacy it may have once possessed, its powers of control and subjugation will become more and more overt and oppressive. Consider: US elites fear Americans, not Arabs, Iranians, the Chinese, Putin. They fear we will awake from our stupors and render justice unto them.

    • nonclassical

      well stated by gilgamesh…back to Sumerian times for us all..

  • Lois Gagnon

    This is the policy that the 1% have paid for by buying off the government and co-opting the press. They have always wanted a fascist police state and they have finally achieved it. The sheep for the most part still have no idea what has been done to them. How they respond when they figure it out remains to be seen.

  • http://thefarcebook.blogspot.com Droids rockwell

    How cute. Fucking assholes. It boggles my mind to think of their end game.

  • http://reasonandjest.com/blog/ Scott Lazarowitz

    Turley: “I don’t think the the Framers ever anticipated that [the American people would be so apathetic]. They assumed that people would hold their liberties close, and that they wouldn’t relax …”

    No, the Framers assumed that the people WOULD be apathetic. That is why they wrote explicit rules and restrictions against the government in the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, they also assumed – quite mistakenly – that those people holding governmental powers would follow the rules and obey the rule of law.

  • nonclassical

    Chris Hedges has recently stated the plethora of such unconstitutional legislation is being perpetrated by a corporate bought and sold government afraid of its own people, due entirely to its own unconstitutional activities; lacking “transparency, oversight, accountability” for election fraud-lies, judicial fraud (Citizen’s United), war fraud-lies-crimes, and economic fraud-lies…

  • No fan of tyranny

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it”.

  • 5pence

    It’s actually starting to feel like our government has declared war on us and therefore can treat us all as enemy combatants – with more cowardly legislation coming down the pipes. The first spoils of this war was obviously taking our treasure to bail out the banks against our collective wills.

    • Les

      The very banks that they caused to collapse thru manipulation of the housing market. That’s what is really funny the banks did exactly what they were told to do or face the DOJ in court and lose. They rolled over, they didn’t have a choice. Then the same cretins in the federal government made the whole thing the bank’s fault. Your “public servants” are always manipulating things from behind the scenes. And always benefitting from this financially and gaining more control. We lose, they win always.

      “Chance favors the prepared mind”

  • Paul

    “Catch-22 says they can do anything we can’t stop them from doing.” Well…..

  • ambrit

    Friends;
    I think it was the late Huey Long who said that fascism would come to America in the guise of patriotism. Considering the original theoretical model of Fascism, the marriage of state and business, this is another manifestation of Uncle Hueys’ prophetic gifts.

  • Conscience of a Conservative

    What surprises me is that this and other moves by Obama and Holder are coming from a Democratic and not the previous Republican administration and that the cries against are so much more muted than what we saw pre-2008. And we’re not just seeing attacks against due process but the weakening of contract law with regards to mortgage modifications.

  • mike

    not everyone took the white house’s blowing off congress’s war power authority well
    house continuing resolution 107

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.CON.RES.107:

    worth the paper it was written on?

    • mike

      H.CON.RES.107 — Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high… (Introduced in House – IH)

  • roger

    I read somewhere that Thomas Jefferson said “you need a revolution every 70 years to keep your freedom”
    Government officials once were public servants now they are public masters;
    Andrew Jackson said “one determined man is majority”

    can someone step forward and be that man ; I am too old ; i am 70 years old
    but i will help and follow you

  • lbeacham

    And we don’t need guns because our Government would never turn on us? Molo labe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002289004475 Joe Davis

    And we have the right to kill any government agency, that posses a threat to our family or neighbors. Thats why they hate the second ammendment, its our pssport to fight for our rights.

  • yod sun

    Any good American citizen or citizen of another country can be
    targeted by the US government for no reason at all. FBI agents implant
    microchips all over the target, including the genitals. Every time the target
    sleeps, FBI agents are beside his bed, enhancing his sleep with
    drugs, implanting microchips, causing cancer, killing and much more. All is
    done by the FBI and the government is aware of it. They do it in other
    countries as well. Read about Mr. Magnus Olsson
    from Belgium, The CIA/FBI covertly implanted microchips in his brain while he
    was studying in Harvard in USA. They do this mostly when the target is under
    anesthesia during surgery or when he is asleep in his home. I invite
    the FBI to take me to court if what I write is untrue. Go ahead FBI thugs, I am
    waiting. Instead,
    you do your best to kill me every day

  • yod sun

    To all Americans: Be aware of Dr. Sanjay
    Ramrakhiani. He works at Palo Alto Medical Foundation in Camino Medical Center
    in Mountain View, CA. This Dr. does Endoscopy procedures, and while his patient
    is under anesthesia he secretly implants microchips in the Target’s body and
    does other criminal secret procedures according the instructions of FBI agents
    that appear beside the patient’s bed. This CRIMINAL doctor allows the CRIMINAL
    FBI agents to do anything they want to his patients. This Doctor injects
    microchips also in the esophagus while in endoscopy procedure, he is also
    implanting microchips anytime the FBI wants to implant microchips in anyone
    they target. If you are targeted by the FBI with electronic radiation and
    harass by gangs of evil people that the FBI sends after you, then you sure have
    many microchips in your body and it is most likely that this criminal, low life
    scum of the earth doctor Sanjay Ramrakhiani implanted it in your body.
    All targeted people need to be aware that
    the FBI do its best to remove from the internet any comment that unveil their
    criminal activity. When targeted people log on they might see their comment
    without knowing that it appears only on their computer while the FBI removes it
    from the general public.

  • yod sun

    Another criminal doctor is Bernadette A. Macart,
    MD Obstetrics & Gynecology, at Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Santa Clara,
    California. This Physician secretly implants microchips in her patient while
    pretending to do her job. This thug doctor cooperates with the FBI in their
    crimes against humanity. Kaiser Permanente in Santa Clara, CA participates in
    Gang Stalking, Electronic Harassment and cruelty against US citizens: mothers,
    fathers, young adults and children.

  • yod sun

    Listen to the citizens that
    are targeted by the FBI in USA. Know the
    truth about your own country: FBI agents break into homes of people they Target (for no reason). FBI
    agents install surveillance in the Target’s home, long before he knows he is
    targeted. FBI agents as young as 21 -25 monitor and radiate targeted
    individuals of the same age as their mother or father. They are seeing them and
    radiating them in bed, on the toilet seat, during sex, and anywhere else.
    Every night FBI agents are beside the target’s bed: implanting microchips, spreading
    bacteria, injecting viruses, stealing and killing on a regular basis. I try to tell the American people the truth, but
    the criminal FBI remove my comments repeatedly while they put their own
    manipulative comments everywhere.

  • yod sun

    The FBI radiated Physician Moss David Pozner to his death. The FBI radiated thousands or millions of other good people to death, including Sean Stinn. God Bless Their Soul. You can search
    about them on YouTube. The FBI put much effort into manipulating the public to believe that some “groups” or insurance companies are harassing American Citizens. You can be sure that it is ONLY the FBI that is behind gang stalking, electronic radiation and all the other cruel experiments and sadistic
    practice.

  • yod sun

    The Suicide of Pam Anderson (not the actress): a Secret Government Program Victim

    She was respected in the targeted individual (TI) community and had recently been appointed to
    the board of Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance (FFCHS). However, after 53 years of constant suffering and sabotage by the hand of the FBI, with no end in sight, Pam Anderson had reached the end of her endurance. You are not forgotten Pam.

  • yod sun

    To US President: What about the freedom of American citizens as you are, that are Targeted by the FBI in your own country? Why you allow the FBI to radiate them with electronic weapons and slow kill them? Why you let the FBI set-up gangs of hundreds of people to follow citizens that they target and harass and radiate them anywhere they go? Why you let the FBI’s agents radiate children? Is it because they are not your children? Why you let the FBI implant microchips in American citizens and inflict them with diseases? Why you pretend you don’t know about the CRIMINAL activity of the FBI? Why you blame other countries for Human Rights Violations when your hands are not clean?

 

 

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