Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start WWIII to Speed the “Second Coming” … and Atheist Neocons are Using Religion to Rile Them Up to Justify War Against Iran

Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III … to Speed Up the Second Coming

The Founding Fathers weren’t particularly anti-Islam.

But millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.

According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…

There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:

“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”

Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…

Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this.

This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.

Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:

They are supported by politicians such as:

  • Texas Senator John Cronyn
  • And others

Dr. Timothy Webber – an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee – notes:

In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.

While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God’s Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.

Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible’s prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America’s 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel’s best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.


Starting in the 1970s, dispensationalists broke into the popular culture with runaway best-sellers, and a well-networked political campaign to promote and protect the interests of Israel. Since the mid-1990s, tens of millions of people who have never seen a prophetic chart or listened to a sermon on the second coming have read one or more novels in the Left Behind series, which has become the most effective disseminator of dispensationalist ideas ever.


During the early 1980s the Israeli Ministry of Tourism recruited evangelical religious leaders for free “familiarization” tours. In time, hundreds of evangelical pastors got free trips to the Holy Land. The purpose of such promotional tours was to enable people of even limited influence to experience Israel for themselves and be shown how they might bring their own tour group to Israel. The Ministry of Tourism was interested in more than tourist dollars: here was a way of building a solid corps of non-Jewish supporters for Israel in the United States by bringing large numbers of evangelicals to hear and see Israel’s story for themselves. The strategy caught on.


Shortly after the Six-Day War, elements within the Israeli government saw the potential power of the evangelical subculture and began to mobilize it as a base of support that could influence American foreign policy. The Israeli government sent Yona Malachy of its Department of Religious Affairs to the United States to study American fundamentalism and its potential as an ally of Israel. Malachy was warmly received by fundamentalists and was able to influence some of them to issue strong pro-Israeli manifestos. By the mid-1980s, there was a discernible shift in the Israeli political strategy. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Jewish state’s major lobbying group in Washington, D.C., started re-aligning itself with the American political right-wing, including Christian conservatives. Israel’s timing was perfect. It began working seriously with American dispensationalists at the precise moment that American fundamentalists and evangelicals were discovering their political voice.


Probably the largest pro-Israel organization of its kind is the National Unity Coalition for Israel, which was founded by a Jewish woman who learned how to get dispensationalist support. NUCI opposes “the establishment of a Palestinian state within the borders of Israel.”


In their commitment to keep Israel strong and moving in directions prophesied by the Bible, dispensationalists are supporting some of the most dangerous elements in Israeli society. They do so because such political and religious elements seem to conform to dispensationalist beliefs about what is coming next for Israel. By lending their support-both financial and spiritual-to such groups, dispensationalists are helping the future they envision come to pass.


Dispensationalists believe that the Temple is coming too; and their convictions have led them to support the aims and actions of what most Israelis believe are the most dangerous right-wing elements in their society, people whose views make any compromise necessary for lasting peace impossible. Such sentiments do not matter to the believers in Bible prophecy, for whom the outcome of the quarrelsome issue of the Temple Mount has already been determined by God.

Since the end of the Six-Day War, then, dispensationalists have increasingly moved from observers to participant-observers. They have acted consistently with their convictions about the coming Last Days in ways that make their prophecies appear to be self-fulfilling.


As Paul Boyer has pointed out, dispensationalism has effectively conditioned millions of Americans to be somewhat passive about the future and provided them with lenses through which to understand world events. Thanks to the sometimes changing perspectives of their Bible teachers, dispensationalists are certain that trouble in the Middle East is inevitable, that nations will war against nations, and that the time is coming when millions of people will die as a result of nuclear war, the persecution of Antichrist, or as a result of divine judgment. Striving for peace in the Middle East is a hopeless pursuit with no chance of success.


For the dispensational community, the future is determined. The Bible’s prophecies are being fulfilled with amazing accuracy and rapidity. They do not believe that the Road Map will-or should-succeed. According to the prophetic texts, partitioning is not in Israel’s future, even if the creation of a Palestinian state is the best chance for peace in the region. Peace is nowhere prophesied for the Middle East, until Jesus comes and brings it himself. The worse thing that the United States, the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations can do is force Israel to give up land for a peace that will never materialize this side of the second coming. Anyone who pushes for peace in such a manner is ignoring or defying God’s plan for the end of the age.


It seems clear that dispensationalism is on a roll, that its followers feel they are riding the wave of history into the shore of God’s final plan. Why should they climb back into the stands when being on the field of play is so much more fun and apparently so beneficial to the game’s outcome? As [one dispensationalist group’s] advertisement read, “Don’t just read about prophecy when you can be part of it.”

Not a Problem with Judaism … Or Christianity

Most Americans confuse Zionism and Judaism.

But many devout Jews are against Zionism, and Zionists can be Christian.

Those who say that criticizing Zionism is anti-semitic are misleading people for their own ulterior motives which have nothing to do with ensuring the safety of the Jewish people.

Israeli Zionists are no more true to the cultural heritage of the Jewish people than Christian Zionists are.

Atheist War Hawks Manipulate Believers to Beat the Drums of War

Leo Strauss is the father of the Neo-Conservative movement, including many leaders of the current administration.

Indeed, many of the main neocon players – including Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Stephen Cambone, Elliot Abrams, and Adam Shulsky were students of Strauss at the University of Chicago, where he taught for many years.

The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.) For example, Shulsky was the director of the Office of Special Plans – the Pentagon unit responsible for selling false intelligence regarding Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. He is now a member of the equivalent organization targeting Iran: the Iranian Directorate.

Strauss, born in Germany, was an admirer of Nazi philosophers and of Machiavelli. Strauss believed that a stable political order required an external threat and that if an external threat did not exist, one should be manufactured. Specifically, Strauss thought that:

A political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat . . . . Following Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured

(the quote is by one of Strauss’ main biographers).

Indeed, Stauss used the analogy of Gulliver’s Travels to show what a Neocon-run society would look like:

“When Lilliput [the town] was on fire, Gulliver urinated over the city, including the palace. In so doing, he saved all of Lilliput from catastrophe, but the Lilliputians were outraged and appalled by such a show of disrespect.” (this quote also from the same biographer)

Moreover, Strauss said:

Only a great fool would call the new political science diabolic . . . Nevertheless one may say of it that it fiddles while Rome burns. It is excused by two facts: it does not know that it fiddles, and it does not know that Rome burns.

So Strauss seems to have advocated governments letting terrorizing catastrophes happen on one’s own soil to one’s own people — of “pissing” on one’s own people, to use his Gulliver’s travel analogy. And he advocates that government’s should pretend that they did not know about such acts of mayhem: to intentionally “not know” that Rome is burning. He advocates messing with one’s own people in order to save them from some “catastophe” (perhaps to justify military efforts to monopolize middle eastern oil to keep it away from our real threat — an increasingly-powerful China?).

What does this have to do with religion?

Strauss taught that religion should be used as a way to manipulate people to achieve the aims of the leaders. But that the leaders themselves need not believe in religion.

As Wikipedia notes:

In the late 1990s Irving Kristol and other writers in neoconservative magazines began touting anti-Darwinist views, in support of intelligent design. Since these neoconservatives were largely of secular backgrounds, a few commentators have speculated that this – along with support for religion generally – may have been a case of a “noble lie”, intended to protect public morality, or even tactical politics, to attract religious supporters.

So is it any surprise that the folks who planned war against Iraq and Iran at least 20 years ago are pushing religious disinformation to stir up the evangelical community?

I’ve recently seen a swarm of spam claiming that all Muslims are evil, that they want to take over the world and establish a Muslim caliphate, and that they want to nuke Israel. They misquote Muslims and use false statements to try to stir up religious hatred.

They are simply promoting the Straussian playbook: stir up religious sentiment – even if you are personally an atheist – to create and demonize an “enemy”, so as to promote war …

Postscript 1: While there are certainly some Arab terrorists, Islam cannot be blamed for their barbaric murderous actions, just as Christianity cannot be blamed for the Norwegian Christian terrorist – Anders Behring Breivik’s – actions.

University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:

Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

And the 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.

Postscript 2: Neoliberals and Neoconservatives are very similar in many ways. And because Neocons are not conservative, nothing in this post is meant to criticize conservatism.

Postscript 3: Most evangelicals are not dispensionalists, and so do not want to bring on armageddon.


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  • Heisenberg


    As an atheist, I kind of wonder how the neocons atheism is relevant.

  • I think you are saying that because a lot of the people driving us to war with Iran, are Christian religious who believe that the end times are inevitable in order to bring back Jesus, they are almost resistant to trying to negotiate with the Iranians a peaceful resolution.

    For the religious, getting to the “end times” is a process. like fermentation, that takes careful handling in order to obtain the result desired. They aren’t wanting anyone to disturb the natural processes that they’ve brought about that’s leading to this extinction level conflagration.

    I would have thought the Israelis would have been concerned about this and would have tried to prevent people who believe this way from ever getting power. After all, it’s my understanding, the Jewish community is supposed to be sacrificed as part of the process. When the bombs start falling
    on Israel, let’s say, the Christian Zionists are not going to be concerned about protecting Jews. They are instead going to be waiting for Jesus to take the Christians straight to heaven and to lash out at Jews who, on the account given here, are not his friends.

    Christian Zionists are anti-Semitic in this sense.

    So, I would imagine that if the Christian Zionists have anything to do with it, according to this report, they would want to start and carry on a war with Iran, hoping for a more destructive war, even if Jewish Zionists concerned about the fate of Israel would oppose such a thing.

    Or am I wrong about the Christian Zionist danger to everyone else here?

    • gary

      No my friend you are right on the money. I have alwasys considered jews to be smarter than most. But wht they cannot see the end game is not for their benefit I do not understand at all. I also was a Dispensational christian. Until I saw that on one hand they want the end of the world to occur, and on the other hand they cannot find reasons fast enough to ask for love gifts. If you believe the end is near, why do you need so many large homes and BMWs and jewelry for your wives (and mistresses). Just check out the olstens and copelands and hagees etal. they are rich beyond ceasar. But they call it gods will for them.

      • Anyone who believes Time/CNN polls probably also believes that US elections are not rigged. They are owned by Jews (the Warner’s and the Bronfmans). The only reason why the “neocon” Jews are kissy kissy with the Christian “religious right” right now is they figure that they can kill more gentiles with a third world war than with abortion – and get the Zagros oil fields for Israel at the same time. But they need a scapegoat.

        That is what “Christian Zionism” is all about. Their hero Trotsky help genocide 37 million Christians in the Soviet Union and defended the use of terror for revolutionary purposes.

        The “neocons” are Trotsky-ites (commies) who defected to the Republican party because the Democrats did not want to give them their wars for Israel. They brought their big Jewish bucks and election stealing savvy to the Republican Party, which they now own – as well as the Democratic Party because of their rigged touched screen voting machines.

    • Yes. You are wrong.

      To be correct you have to start out with correct premises.

      Firstly, Bush is not a Christian, hence, whatever he says can not be taken to impute any belief system to Christians. He denied that Jesus was the only means to salvation in order to get the support of the Jewish ADL. John Hagee is a heretic who did much the same thing. His wife’s maiden name is Castro – a Jewish name. Fidel Castro is a Jew by Jewish law because his mother was a Jew – and Jews put him in power in Cuba.

      Bush’s administration was saturated with dual Israeli American citizens and while he lit Menorahs in the White house on Hanukkah he banned crosses from his 2nd inaugural parade (after he did not need the Christian sucker vote any more).

      Secondly, unlike Jews, true Christians do not believe that they are God or gods and they do not believe that they can or should force God’s hand. The book of Revelation calls the shots and whoever tries to change the scenario of that book (adds to or subtracts from) is damned – according to the book of Revelation itself.

      Lastly, the Jews in Israel are not Semites. They are Ashkenazi Jews who have descended from a tribe of Turko-Finns known as the Khazars. Most sincere Christian Zionists (as opposed to the liars on TV like Pat Robertson and John Hagee) do not know this.

      Nor do they know about the contempt that the Talmud holds for Christians, Christianity and Jesus Christ. If they ever found out that the Talmud says that Jesus is burning in hot excrement in hell and that he practiced magic with his foreskin their attitude would entirely change as mine did.

      I was a Christian Zionist before I found out about the pack of lies which the Jewish media had brainwashed me with – including the “Holocaust” which is a fraud used to cover up the genocide of Christians in Armenia and in the Soviet Union and now used as an excuse the genocide of Muslims in the middle east – “even the best of gentiles should all be killed” as the Talmud says.

      Christians try to emulate Christ and the Jewish Zionists would like to treat them as their ancestors treated Jesus – as a scapegoat for their sins (i.e. crimes of genocide).

      • psychologist

        You certainly know the facts.

  • Reminds me of the story about the pastor who was giving a passionate sermon about going to heaven. Over time. with glowing declarations of the magnificence of heaven, he craftily raised the fervor to a peak, then in a loud preachy voice he exclaimed “Stand up if you want to go to heaven!” He then noticed that everyone stood, except a young man in the front row. A hushed silence came over the heaven bound crowd when the preacher intently looked at the young, sitting man, and said “son, don’t you want to go to heaven?!” … the young man replied “well yes preacher, it is just that I thought you were getting up a boatload to go right now.”

  • William Chandler

    The “rapture” Prophets for PROFIT are ANTI-Christ DEATH CULTISTS. God/Jesus put you in this LIFE to learn “soul lessons”, to increase your consciousness to the point of Redemption. Hagee and his Ilk REJECT the LIFE God gave you, and dangle a “shortcut” in front of people, just as SATAN dangled Temptation in front of Jesus. Do not follow the ANTI-Christ lies of FALSE prophets. Their “shortcut” of cheating God’s lessons does NOT lead to Heaven, any more than cheating on school work teaches you the subject. Hagee, Robertson, the whole group, do NOT believe in anything except the MONEY they collect for leading their Flocks astray.

  • One criticism of your article is that Billy Graham has never espoused the views you attribute to him. He famously refused to join Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority in the 1970s, and is famous for saying that Jesus Christ did not belong to a political party.

  • Tori

    “When Lilliput [the town] was on fire, Gulliver urinated over the city, including the palace. In so doing, he saved all of Lilliput from catastrophe, but the Lilliputians were outraged and appalled by such a show of disrespect.”

    So, are you going to be outraged if I urinate on you for smearing the good name of atheists?

  • Spiritual ancestors, that is. AND MYTH

  • Brian Jenkins

    Israel’s intelligence agency the Mossad did 911 with help from some traitors in our government, mostly Jewish Zionists. The Muslims were patsies. There is no evidence they even got on the planes. The planes were flown by remote control. Here is the evidence:

    Christopher Bollyn is offering a free download of his book Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World. A must read. He is one of the best 911 investigators.

  • First of all, I’m a frequenter of the site and really appreciate the work you put into researching these topics. I have learned things that rock me back on my heals a bit and have passed the site along. But I have to say, I disagree with the conclusions in this post to a good degree.

    I’m a Reformed Protestant, not a dispensationalist (anymore), but I do want to clear some things up on this coming from a dispensational background myself.

    1) I think it’s overkill to say all (millions of) dispensationalists want to kick off WWIII to instigate the second return. Even when I was into end times theology as a M.O. for how I approached Christianity for a time, I never wanted WWIII to come so Christ would return. I never even considered that a reasonable possibility actually. So the title is misleading I believe. Most dispensationalists I know (and I should know since many of my friends have gone through Dallas Theological Seminary) are fully aware that it is Christ who returns of His own sovereign will, not as a result of something WE can do to bring it about. It’s HIS return after all. That motif is fallacious and most evangelical dispensationalists know this. There are the few though.

    2) Although there are certainly a great number of dispensational adherents, as with any other position, there are always those loud mouthed individuals and marketers who seem to outshout all the other “more reasoned” voices coming from that position (i.e. who don’t want to bring about WWIII), when the reality is the loudest voices actually represent a minority within that particular position. The problem is, the people you mentioned have had a TV medium to get their message out. So it can seem like they are having more influence than would be suggested.

    3) Many of these evangelical dispensationalist followers don’t even have a solid grasp on the eschatological theology and categories behind their own position (I know this from experience), so to say they have such a clear understanding of what needs to happen to bring about the return of Christ is a bit fallacious in itself. Trust me, many of the more extreme followers I’ve encountered don’t even seem to grasp what people like Hagee are even saying. 🙂

    4) Most people I’ve talked with who have read Tim LaHaye’s books understand that it isn’t a Biblical representation of the events that will unfold in the future and that we can’t do something to bring it about.

    5) Those wanting to bring about the second return by their own doing (Christian Zionist types, Third Temple-ites, etc… a nonsensical position even within ecumenical Christianity) are not quite as numerous as this would put forward. They are certainly out there, but they are not the majority. I used to encounter more of this in the 1990’s. As of late? Not so much. And there is actually a good deal of movement away from classic dispensationalism, at the heart of dispensationalism’s founding school, Dallas Theological Seminary, no less (yes, I know this personally), toward what is called progressive dispensationalism, which I find to be much more Biblically grounded and closer to covenant theology (my position, versus dispensationalism), doing away with many of the categories that would lead some to wrongly conclude we can instigate Christ’s return by something we do. Absurd. They make mincemeat of Scripture.

    6) All I want to do is make the distinction between the loud mouthed pastors/leaders/marketers of this extreme view, and their followers. There is a difference. Not all who listen to these leaders buy everything or even understand it all. And the people mentioned, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson in particular, are widely represented as the nut cases within evangelicalism (though Falwell is dead now), mainly among my generation (X). Trust me, I’m in these circles. I also want to make the distinction between neocon ideology and dispensational theology. Not all dispensationalists are neocons and vice versa. In fact some of the dispy’s I know are more libertarian and rooting for Ron Paul believe it or not, and are war-weary at that.

    I just don’t believe this is as cookie-cutter as it’s being represented here. Dispensationalism is a huge ideology and encompasses a great amount of diversity in opinion, seeing as how we’re all talking about future events anyway when it comes to eschatology. There are certainly people out there and leaders pushing for war, sure. But they are dwindling in number as classical dispensationalism (where this sprouted from) begins to be replaced by progressive dispensationalism. My generation is fairly tired of the classical view for all of the aforementioned reasons (war-mongering including), including people like Falwell, Hagee, LaHaye and the like making us look like idiots. If anyone is going to hate us, at least hate us for the Gospel of Scripture, not because of some stupid views that sprouted up in the 20th century and aren’t a part of any consensus throughout the history of the church. Classical dispensationalism is very distorted and Israel-centric versus Christ-centric. And related to this, I thought I remember the Gospel leaving the Jews in the first century for the Gentiles via Paul? Certainly once the full number of the Gentiles is brought in, there will be an awakening of belief in Christ among the Jews according to Scripture, but we’re not there yet. Anyway, just throwing my two cents out here as a believer in Christ, His perfect work for sinners, and His final return.

    • signalfire

      Lotta wasted brain power there, boy.

      • That’s fine … doesn’t negate the points I made about what we believe though. And I don’t mind snide remarks about my faith, though I do find it interesting, because I wonder if you would say the same thing to a Muslim on this blog. Just curious. Denigrating someone’s faith is the very essence of “tolerance” these days. Except well it’s not at all.

        • Frank

          David, you are right on in your thinking. Dispensationalism is a recent (within the past 150 years) American theological phenomenon that most baptists in the US hold to, but there are many varieties and only a crazy few (Falwell, Robertson) actually believe that Israel’s ascension will bring about the return of Christ. These men are absolute fools and shame the name of Christ almost every time they open their mouths.

          For detailed summaries of what biblical Christianity looks like see the Westminster Confession, Heidelberg Catechism, Canons of Dordt, and Belgic Confession. These are confessions that sprang up out of the Reformation and continue to be the statements of faith for most Reformed churches today.

          Most people that call themselves Christians are merely identifying with a social group just like most Muslims identify with Islam because that is their background. The majority of professing Christians don’t have a clue what the Bible says and are just as lost as the rest.

          For a primer on end-times according to the Bible see K. Riddelbarger’s “A Case for Amillenialism” and for something more in-depth A. Hoekema’s “The Bible and the Future.”

  • signalfire

    Oh, by the way, Christ didn’t die for your sins. If he even existed at all as a real person, (which I highly doubt given the way this has morphed over the centuries), and if there even is a god-father-spirit entity going around impregnating humans, he:
    1. Knew the gig beforehand… get convicted, crucified, die, come back.
    2. He was only ‘gone’ for 3 days.
    3. So he didn’t die, did he? It’s all more like a magic trick then a real ‘passion play’. It works to make the rabble think the guy was special though, doesn’t it? Add in a bunch of made-up, conflicting stories about what a great guy he was, a bunch of ‘thou shalts’, a renunciation of all the prior ‘fake’ gods, and a hefty serving of torture and wars for centuries to make the more reluctant get with the program, and then keep passing the hat for more money, and you have an alternative power system layered over the king-and-country one already in place.
    4. Fast forward 2000 years and you still have IQ-challenged people believing it’s all somehow real, that Mary (a married woman) was a virgin, that some long bearded guy in the clouds is listening to them talk in their heads even though all evidence is to the contrary, and they can ‘sin’ all they want to, as long as they repent, and they’ll get into the permanent resort up in the sky. Meanwhile, you reject the idea you might have evolved from apes as being ludicrous even though for all intents and purposes, the apes would seem to be more intelligent. At least they don’t believe all this hooie.

    • davidgmills

      Well I think the same can be said for every person of the old testament as well. Highly unlikely any of them ever existed except in ancient myth.

  • Swami Shuknjiva

    Readers would be better rewarded with posters exchanging suggestions relating to the essay rather than long winded personal histories/beliefs followed by witty repartee. Besides the fact no reader has the time to learn our personal beliefs, nobody cares. Let’s try to focus and keep the cognitive dissonance to a low roar.

  • Gods Helper.

    Jesus Christ’s death is recorded in Roman annals and other non-Christian historic texts like the works of Josephus. God never said he liked a long beard or living in the clouds. Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within us.
    I appreciate Darwin had the guts to question everything but I do not see how evolution explains adequately how new life forms originate. It is a hypothesis only. The fossil record does not show how increasingly complex forms came about ie the mechanism. The simplest life form has nearly 300 genes.

  • Thomas F.

    It would be a very good thing if everyone were to read archaeologist Israel Finkelstein’s book “The Bible Unearthed.” Also professor James Kugel’s book “How to Read the Bible.”

    In short the “Exodus” was not a historical fact. The “Walls of Jericho” were not destroyed by a Joshua. The Noah account was most probably a plagiarised rewrite of a much more ancient Assyrian legend. The so called patriarchs were very probably not historical figures. The traditional story line is most probably not true.
    Hence “salvation” for most of us will be “the truth will set you free.”

  • St. Joan of Arc

    Newt Gingrich is Catholic now, boys, and Catholics aren’t dispensationalists. Just sayin’.

  • I think some of the Reformed Christians in here have already made a good case for viewing this post with some sense of perspective, so I won’t attempt to add to what they have written already with respect to theology. However, I think this post does bring up some very valid concerns with respect to a certain element in Dispensationalist Christianity, and that is how some do seem to lend carte blanche support for Israel, regardless of how ruthless or immoral it’s policies (especially to the Palestinians) are, and how many do in fact think along the lines spelled out in this article. I appreciate that there are Christians on this forum who demonstrate that this sort of theological and political radicalism is not necessarily how many Christians read their Bibles or view international affairs. However, what is alarming, and needs to continue to be dealt with, especially in the Christian community, is a concerted effort to articulate that Dispensationalism, when considered against the backdrop of historical Christianity is a fairly recent development, that, however widespread amongst conservative American Protestants, is typically viewed as a grave theological error among those who wish to remain faithful to historic Christianity, that can have many catastrophic real-world consequences for Christians and non-Christians alike. The sheer gullibility of many dispensationalists has become easy pickings for some of the most unscrupulous war-hawks the military industrial complex has ever spawned. If WW3 occurs, it certainly won’t occur in such a way that God would be pleased or honored by it, and if it is instigated, even in part by misguided Christians, it will not be done so with divine sanction, it will be the product of the wicked and violent ambition of men, especially the power elites who always stand to gain the most from such wars.

  • “…People who believe that the political state of Israel will be vindicated in the tribulation period may erroneously conclude that their own government should now side with the Israeli state in all circumstances. Or, because they believe that the coming of the Lord is near, they may abandon their normal occupations, somewhat like some of the Thessalonians did (2 Thess 3:6-13). But these are abuses which mature dispensationalists and nondispensationalists alike abhor.” – Vern Poythress, Understanding Dispensationalists:

  • james byam

    I would like the world to know that surveying Americans for anything, is an absolutely ridiculous waste of time! These are the most brain washed theocratic religious nuts on the planet, next to the Muslims

    • capthiltz

      I agree that Americans have a wide variety of opinions just like any other country. The problem here is that the corporate media, much of which is run by millionaire and billionaire Fake Christians are able to get their narrow minded, delusional views expressed as the views of an entire nation. This financial class is also able to to get Fake Christian, half wit morons elected (and sometimes they just out and out cheat and rig elections) to public office to make insane laws like the recent “religious freedom” law in Indiana. Even when polls show that two thirds of Americans are for or against a particular issue, these idiot politicians vote the opposite direction because their sugar daddies tell them to. Yes, some Americans couldn’t think for themselves if their life depended on it but again that’s true of any group of people.

    • Jodi Wibbels

      Not all of us. Many of us are as dismayed as the rest of the world.

  • Mike

    I have always supported Isreal but NOT for the reasons that these wackos do but for other ligetimate historical and strategic reasons. I actually have an elderly pair of fanatical Christian zionists living right next to me and everything this article says about them is true to the core!!!!

  • Rebecca

    I’m concerned about this article. As a Christian, I can tell you that I have never heard another Christian hoping for a war to bring about Christ’s return. If so, that idea is simply, nuts. Bush cannot be a real Christian, because he has dedicated himself to another religion through his skull and bones ritual. Christians who think Bush is one of us have been hoodwinked by his seemingly moral posture. However, a little research into his life will quickly clear the fog.

    • Christopher

      Have you read the definition of Christian terrorism? Here is something for you.. Why instead of using billions to fortify usa after 9/11 to protect from all possible enemy’s did we choose to spend billions slaughtering ONE enemy? Because it just happens to be a Christian enemy.. Bush: “This is a JIHAD” Define: American Taliban.. Study more.. Read what your book says to do.. Remember.. Jesus can’t contradict his father without calling himself stupid because “he is god in the flesh” as claimed. Less the Christians want to admit motives to exterminate the Jews in the old ages + Nazi Germany.. Google “‘Jesus Rifles’ – Christian Crusade In The 21st Century?” Without quotes.. Sorry but the whole world is watching.. This is why China is taking actions in their country to prevent Christians from dominating..

      “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” – John Adams

      • Leo News

        No More Mysteries…The Saviour Is Not Coming?

        • Milica Djukich

          True, but he is coming when the FATHER tells him to! GOD only knows! His BRIDE the church is not ready yet! The ANGELS don;t even know! JESUS is going to come to a ready BRIDE one that is PURE WHITE AS SNOW!

      • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

        Ummm Hitler was Islamic and Jew… Not a Christian at all. He even admitted to praying to Allah. It’s funny Christians believe he was one of the Anti-Christs, Atheists say he was a Christian, Jews think he was an Atheist… All the while he claimed to be Islamic and Islam claims him as well… What is the mystery?

        Okay, so some defense contractor that makes rifle scopes “may have” coded “hidden Bible references” inside the scopes. Ever think, maybe the nut just thought he was helping in his religiously distorted mind? It didn’t hurt anyone did it? I mean the scopes didn’t shout “Allah-akbar” and explode in the middle of combat correct?

        This is exactly the kind of nonsense that would be pointed out by CAIR – a group on the terrorist watch red list for the last 20 years, and Khalili would have been the mouthpiece, someone funneling millions of US tax dollars to the Taliban via 501C3 donations and grants…

        (“Study more…” A fools advice self-avoided I assume) Look up info a little more on the shite you choose to regurgitate.

        China has always been anti-Christian (anti-Deist) because they are a Buddhist nation… Can’t really have a god in the way of the ancestor and Emperor worship now can you?

        Christians have no motive to exterminate the Jews. What are you even thinking? Christians and Jews have been allies for what, I dunno, the last 1000+ years!?

        Christians also have no motive to exterminate the Muslims. Christians – those that truly believe (not fake Christians that just want to act the part for a group that won’t kick them out) want peace with everyone. Christians are taught not to war, but to also cling to life. “Don’t start the fight… but if it is unavoidable, be the one to finish it.”

        Muslims openly and publicly announce they wish to exterminate Christians and Jews (and all Americans/Europeans, Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Homosexuals, Liberated/Free Women — anyone that is not an Arab born Muslim that accepts Sharia Law basically)… Because their faith CAN NOT coexist with anyone or anything else. It is not possible when the Koran commands they kill any non-Muslims. Sort of leaves coexistence out of the equation. Not saying there are NO good Muslims… but the religious tome itself becomes the problem.

        What is with the Treaty of Tripoli quote? What purpose or point does that serve in your conversation?

        Clearly you are stark proponent for Islamic violence against Christians… Islam as a religion, has murdered roughly 250,000 people a year, worldwide, for 1400 years. That is the death toll of a fairly large war every year. You can claim all you want about Christians, you can start pointing out The Crusades (which was the Catholics – not exactly Christians) but no matter how you slice it, Muslims win the dispute of what religion has the most blood on its hands in human history. It is based in blood. They will lie as they are commanded and create false-facts and half-truths to mislead people. Clearly they have already got you.

        I believe the sympathizers are just cowardly turn-coat traitors afraid that Islam is going to get them, so they instead abandon their humanity and duty to their fellow countrymen to try to save their won skins…

        • Christopher

          Pure lies.. SORRY! But people can google and look at WORLD information that greatly contradicts your brain damaged Christian ideologies.

          • Pax Humana

            …and speaking of brain damaged individuals, your avatar picture reflects that as being true about yourself in your life.

          • COMALite J

            Aaand. now it’s been over 1½ years. Still can’t provide even one citation backing up your claim about Hitler admitting to praying to Allah?

            As for the Treaty of Tripoli quote, I can’t speak for @disqus_ct4XLdwZ5W:disqus, but maybe you should read the Constitution of the United States. In particular, Article VI ¶2. Know what it says? It says that all ratified Treaties are equal to the Constitution itself, that they are jointly the Supreme Law of the Land! So it’s the Supreme Law of the Land that says that the government of the United States is not, in →⇒ANY⇐← →⇒SENSE⇐←, founded on the Christian religion!

        • COMALite J

          When and where did Hitler admit to being Muslim, and what exactly did he say? Quote the actual German, and a competent English translation thereof, and provide a clickable link to the source or at least the ISBN# if it’s a printed book.

        • COMALite J

          It’s been over four months now since I asked the first time. Still waiting for you to back up the claim that Hitler admitted to praying to Allah.

        • COMALite J

          Aaand, now it’s been over 1½ years. Still can’t provide even one citation backing up your claim about Hitler admitting to praying to Allah? No, I’m not letting you off the hook on this.

          As for the Treaty of Tripoli quote, I can’t speak for @disqus_ct4XLdwZ5W:disqus, but maybe you should read the Constitution of the United States. In particular, Article VI ¶2. Know what it says? It says that all ratified Treaties are equal to the Constitution itself, that they are jointly the Supreme Law of the Land! So it’s the Supreme Law of the Land that says that the government of the United States is not, in →⇒ANY⇐← →⇒SENSE⇐←, founded on the Christian religion!

      • david jones

        Frankly, Bush didn’t even give it that much thot. He is a stupid man.

    • capthiltz

      A new term is emerging for the the people of which you speak and that is Fake Christians. They say they are Christian only to capitalize on the benefits. Bush may have thought he was starting war for religious reasons but Cheney, the real mater mind (among many), started the Iraq war for the oil and profits. If you ever want to make a lot of money get into the manufacturing and selling of war related materials.

      A serious argument can be made that the political machine in the U.S. really needs to tighten up and keep religion out of politics. The Tea Party seems to be coming more of a religious platform, i.e. “religious freedom” aka discrimination laws in Indiana than a small government, less taxes party. The current crop of it’s members who hold office are emphasizing their religious, white Christian only views over the original talking points of when the group first started.

      • david jones

        Tea party very dangerous.

      • jenn

        CINO’s…unAmerican CINO’s.

        • Pax Humana

          …so says one like yourself. I, for one, do not openly advocate for war, but if douchebags are causing shit to happen to other people, then by all means, I must defend myself, my family, my friends, and the strangers that need my help in their lives. Also, atheists, humanists, and their other allies are not the only ones that are starting shit with people. You need to look at this little thing from a now deceased LGBT advocate.

          “Gay Manifesto – “We Shall Sodomize Your Sons” [“gay” fantasy come true?]
          Rainbow Alliance ^ | 2/15/1987 | Michael Swift

          Posted on ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2013‎ ‎2‎:‎03‎:‎42‎ ‎PM by Slyfox

          (First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987 and also put into the Congressional Record. Author – Michael Swift)

          We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

          Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

          All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

          All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

          If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

          We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

          Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

          We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

          There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

          We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

          The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

          All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

          The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

          We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

          We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

          Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.”

          Can you tell me where the tolerance is in those words? Can you place the open-mindedness that these people claim that they have in their lives? Can you tell me where their claims of diversity fit into all of these words of theirs? I can tell you that they do not exist and that they are no better than the Muslims, Hindus, and other people that hate YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His TRUE servants and that they are also just as bloodthirsty as those people. I can also show you that these other evil groups most likely have equally, if not even MORE, violent tendencies, dreams, and agendas that they wish to fulfill on the Christians and Jews in their lives. Now know your roles and shut your damn pie holes until you can learn to make good with your words, you Lucifer worshiping scum, or else you will pay every time that you make good on your own variants of those words to other people in your lives, period, full stop.

          • Popgunne

            Nope, no tolerance there. But so what, this just proves that there are crazy people in every walk of life. I bet just one guy wrote this.
            Like I said, so what…

          • COMALite J

            What a difference a single sentence makes! Thousands of anti-GLBT right-wing blogs and comments in said blogs have quoted almost the entirety of Michael Swift’s essay, just as you did. And, just like you, they all seem to somehow start at the second sentence, skipping right over the key opening sentence:

            This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.

            Got that? It was satire, not any expression of actual intent.

      • COMALite J

        A better term than “fake Christian” is “Christianist.” Christianists are to Christians as Islamists are to Muslims, or Zionists are to Jews.

  • Rebecca

    I feel better in seeing postscript 3. Fundamentalists are considered on the extremist edge by many Christians, if not actually extreme. Dispensationalism is a very debated topic and traditional Christianity is not in agreement with it. Many Christians have seen the errors of Fundamentalism if only by becoming a fundamentalist only to regrett the error of their ways. Please be careful with all of these designations. We are a splintered society and splintered in many of our disciplines – Christianity, included. Broad brushes don’t fit.

  • What a goofy article. You have no understanding of Christianity in general, let alone dispensationalists. Those who believe we are nearing the End Times BY DEFINITION know it can not be influenced by human action. That’s a basic premise regardless of your “brand” of Christianity. Is conflict in the Middle East a part of it? Certainly. Can we make it happen…or slow down the speed of its arrival? No. It will happen in its own time and all anyone can do is watch and see. If someone tells you they want to bring about the End hat person is not a Christian in any real way. Now, OTOH, Islamists do believe the timing an be influenced by their actions to some degree. When the time is near they think they can “help it along”.

    • anon

      How do you know Armageddon hasn’t already happened in WWI and WWII?

      Wake up and take responsibility instead of believing false lies and fantasies. Humanity and every being in the universe shape their own environment, and we have to live through all consequences that we have brought about. So it’s time yes, to clean up your mind, speech and do some good deeds, and stop baseless fearmongering.

      Whatever is written in old dusty books are just archetypical writings. Do some research. Nothing of it is new, just rehash of old usurped religions and philosophies.

      • LibertyDwells

        Goodness. Nothing like being told what to do by an intellectually dishonest anonymous coward who’s also ignorant of history.

        • capthiltz

          Humans have been predicting the end of the world since at least the beginning of organized civilizations. Maybe deep down we as a species really just have a death wish. Maybe it’s that we need some sort of closure. As George Carlin said about the end times, “The worlds not going anywhere. People are but not the world”. Yes, at some point in time the human species will cease to exist as about 99% of species have in the past. We’re nothing special in that regard. We may or may not have a hand in our own demise.

          • david jones

            If a big enuf asteroid hits, or in a billion years wen the sun burns out.

    • Christopher

      Wow you are brain washed.. Did you delete the fall of Rome, Crusades, dark ages, persecution of jews, and everything else out of your history books? Oops.. Sorry I forgot about the knowledge burnings by Christians for a moment..

      • LibertyDwells

        And another infant speaks.

        What, exactly, do you imagine any of those events have to do specifically with the article or my response: Whether Christians are attempting to “hurry along” the End Times? Please explain in detail…it should be amusing.

        • Christopher

          People who believe they live after they die are fked up in the head enough for anything. That simple enough for you? Oh and btw.. They linked Christianity to shrinking in the emotional region of the brain. What do emotions effect in our choices? Seriously hope its simple enough for you..

          • Pax Humana

            …and speaking of people that are fucked up in the head…

    • Milica Djukich

      GOD BLESS you for saying that! GOD is in control and still on the throne! The whole world will be fooled by the antichrist, the world is blind, but we understand, the end times are near but GOD will pour out his SPIRIT on all flesh in the last days! It opened up to the muslins and it is to the Jewish people and the GOSPEL to the ends of the earth like JESUS said and than the end will come! We just need to do and say whatever the lord wants us to do and say!

      • Leo News
        • mbeskal

          His second coming was a coming of judgment…aginst Israel….in 70ad when the temple was destroyed. Jesus himself said his secons coming would be in the lifetime of some of his disciples and the paul and peter and the writer of Hebrews also prophesied thr same….either they were all wrong…or it already happened. It was a spiritual coming….god is spirit…his salvation was spiritual….thats why the jews missed it….his second coming was spiritual but we “missed it”

          • Pax Humana


      • david jones

        All Dubya did was caused alot of death n suffering.

        • Milica Djukich

          Jesus is real, GOD is real, The HOLY SPIRIT IS REAL! No one knows when JESUS is coming, but he is coming soon! JESUS is not a religion, mankind thought of religion, that is the problem! Just keep your eyes on ISRAEL, Because ISRAEL is the key at showing when JESUS is coming! GOD said I will pour out my SPIRIT in the last days! There is coming a REVIVAL through the whole world so that GOD can get souls into his KINGDOM! The devil is trying to stop it and those that don;t believe! GOD LOVES everybody but he hates sin!

    • david jones

      Yet nobody told that fool Bush.

    • Jodi Wibbels

      The people referred to in the article identify as both Christian and dispensationalist. Just because they don’t match your definition doesn’t mean they aren’t. All schisms of your faith claim to be the true believers and all others false.

  • Linda Rodriguez

    This is not true!!! God does not need the hand of flesh to bring his prophecy!! Be very careful and repent you are bringing the hand of God against yourself for bringing false accusation against the children of God based on bias presumptions!!! Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will perish.

    • Milica Djukich

      Yes true sweetie! GOD BLESS! At the last days it says people will want to hear what their ears itch to hear what they want to hear not what they should hear!

  • Joey

    Im a Christian, but with that said, people fail to read the bible. Christians said the same thing during world war 2 with Hitler being the antichrist, then Bush was the antichrist, now Barack. Please!!! Shut up! Read the bible and then look at the history most christians skip over. The book of revelation was talking about a 3 and a half year tribulation that was to take place “soon” and it did in 70 ad. When the roman armies marched against Jerusalem. Yes, there will be a second coming but stop looking for the antichrist in every single event you see. All the prophecies about the end of time have been 100 percent wrong. Read your christian history. First when computers were being made, that was supposed to be the begining of the trib. Then when ever the euros price went over the dollar and so on. All have been wrong. In the old testament damascus was suposed to be destroyed and after the prophecy was said, it was distroyed then, so whydo these people continue to look for its distruction when it already happened? The US needs to attack syria! We are supposed to defend the weak. All who are againt the US attacking syria are scared because you probably never stood up for anyone. I bet if your kids ever killed there in a field trip or something, you would want the US to strike then! If we dont then all other countries like N. Korea will see that they can kill and do as they please.

    • Pax Humana

      How about YOU shut up and learn a thing or two instead, Joey?

  • Houstonguy1984

    This is a reason why religion (at least the 3 Abrahamic religions) is so dangerous to society, and does nothing but hold back humanity. We need to purge this ball-and-chain from society.

  • Nikkip

    Guess we’re making the water turn red, tha Euphrates Rive r dry up, cause the Egypt Civil War, oh and making the Muslim and Arab actions in Damascus. Yeah you just need to face the music and get saved your smart enough to figure out its going down soon how much proof and time do you need? When the devil starts stamping ur fore.head with the mark then will you believe oh wait it will be to late then.

    • Milica Djukich

      AMEN! THANK YOU JESUS! Keep telling them the truth Nikkip!

  • Stevie

    I am astonished that you would say these things. You gotta be messing with everybody, right? I am a follower of Christ. Who did you actually speak with to gain the perspective you have? Are you completely mad or just don’t care and want to contribute to the incitement of worldwide violence

    • Popgunne

      Who are you replying to? I can’t figure out what you mean.

  • robert

    Insane Freaks!!!!!!!!!!!


    EVERY Religion thinks THEIR God is God.
    They pray to their god,
    even KILL in the name of their god.
    They believe only THEIR god can judge them,
    yet they stand in judgement over the rest of us.
    Religion is DANGEROUS.
    Because People cannot just hold onto their beliefs
    and be happy & content,
    O! NO!!
    They feel that it’s THEIR job to force their religion
    on the rest of us, all the while whining about how
    they’re not free to practice their religion.
    What about my right to freedom FROM your
    Stand in judgement of YOURSELVES & leave
    the rest of us alone…..

    • Milica Djukich

      That’s the first mistake, JESUS is not religion, GOD did not make religion man did! Jesus came to show and tell the truth! He was GOD in the flesh and he gave his BLOOD and BODY for all humanity! The ony way to heaven is JESUS CHRIST! Not religion!

      • Cathy

        Jesus was God’s son, not God, you’re definitely in a cult.

        • Milica Djukich

          The Apostle asked JESUS show us the FATHER, JESUS said, you see the ME you see the FATHER! GOD BLESS you!

          • Pax Humana

            YAHWEH EL ELOHIM curse you both for following the traditions of humans. The Holy Scriptures CLEARLY say, “I and the Father are One (Being)!” Those words came from YAHASHUA HA’MASHIACH Himself!

          • Milica Djukich

            You are not suppose to curse anybody! Just like it says about ISRAEL, you bless them you will be blessed any person or nation but if you curse them you will be cursed person or nation, that is what GOD said, not me! Everybody has religion instead of the LORD, no religion will save anybody, but JESUS said, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE! If you have JESUS you have LIFE if you don;yt you don; have life here nor eternal life! Plain and simple! GOD BLESS YOU!

          • Popgunne

            That’s what everybody thinks about their own religion, just as you do of yours.

          • Milica Djukich

            I said before and I say it again,there is no religion, you think GOD is going to ask what religion are you when to get to heaven, NEVER, He will say either, WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT, or, DEPART FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU! Have a wonderful peaceful day ans HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR 2016!

          • Popgunne

            You too! But the way you “know” these aspects of god is because of your religion, your book, the fact that groups of you are together believing the same thing. That IS what a religion is. It’s not, not a religion because you say it’s not. That is the definition of a religion.

          • Milica Djukich

            I go to a nondemonination church! And anyway JESUS did not come to this earth t start a religion but save, he said so, I came to save the lost and destroy and take from the devil the keys of death and the grave and hell! I know you will not get to heaven nor hell because of your religion but by what JESUS did

            on the CROSS at calvary shedding his precious BLOOD and giving his BODY as a sacrifice for your and mine sins, that is the only way to salvation and heaven, not by what the name is on the door of a church! That my friend is the true fact, believe it or not! I Wish you best Popgunne! Take care, have a MERRY CHRISTMAS and especially a wonderful and HAPPY, HEALTHY NEW YEAR 2016!

          • Popgunne

            Oh so you do have a group. It doesn’t matter what your book says, other people have a book too. They believe their book too. That’s the religion. All you need is a group and a belief, that’s a religion.

          • Milica Djukich

            Religion is religion, has nothing to do with GOD, because he is not a religion!, You think when you get to heaven he will ask you what religion are you go stand in that line, NO! For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON JESUS that whosoever BELIEVES in him will not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE! JESUS US THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE! No religion gave its life for you but JESUS did! THANK YOU JESUS! Unless Unless you have the HOLY SPIRIT you cannot understand! I wish you well really I do!

          • Popgunne

            I wish you well also. But what you believe is your religion, not a group of people. I don’t have a religion, because I don’t believe in anything, specifically. You DO have a religion because you DO believe in something specific. That is a religion. You don’t need a group to have a religion.

          • Milica Djukich

            No it isnt, but you believe in what you believe in, I believe in my JESUS, the way, the truth and the life! I wish you a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR 2016! Take care of yourself, GOD will show you one day, I know he will!

          • Popgunne

            I was already shown and found it to be lacking…

          • Milica Djukich

            That;s ok Popgunne, I was shown and I know he exists and loves me and when he loves me I love people that is the way he is! Like I said , only he can show you, I can;t, I can only tell you about my experience! Wish you the best, really I do, one day he wll show you his love! If you have run into some christians that hurt you, I am sorry for that, but I know he does! Take care of yourself! Can I ask you what was lacking?

          • Popgunne

            Original truth. Just about all the things talked about in the bible had been used in other prior religions.

          • Popgunne

            Also, no christians hurt me or my feelings. But they were just like everybody else. And I refuse to be in the same group with a god who would send people to a hell, just because they don’t agree with him. To me, that is not a loving god. I cannot get on board with that.

          • Milica Djukich

            He doesn;t send us there we do ourselves, he created us didn;t he?when someone commits a crime, don;t they go to jail they are not set free! If you have a child don;t you discipline it? Spending eternity with the devil is worse than anything GOD would do, he loves everybody, the only one the enemy loves is himself he always has! I wish you well friend I call you friend, I pray that GOD shows you his love and like I told you he will, I don;t know you and I like you! Please take care of yourself!

          • Popgunne

            I don’t believe it is a crime to not believe something. I don’t believe one should be punished, and so severely, for not believing. I don’t agree with him at all. And I stopped being a christian for this reason. After a time, I came to believe that the whole god-thing is basically a hoax. There are many truths buried in all beliefs. But none of them have cornered the market.
            Furthermore, if there was a god, I believe that he or she or they are way more reasonable than most beliefs give credit for.
            Once you really get into other religions, you start to realize that if there is a god, he aint like the “books” say.
            I think if there is a god we have NO idea of the essence or personality of such a creature.

          • Milica Djukich

            That;s the problem, he isn;t a religion,the devil did just to fool people, the enemy will punish you worse, you would have to spend eternity with somebody that really hates you and can hardly ea wait to get you to him! He is a good GOD and the devil is the bad one! People get punished by the law, but GOD made a way out that is through JESUS who gave his life, would anybody else go through all that pain and suffering for even a friend nope, not in a zillion years but JESUS did! I wish you could understand, but that;s ok. I call you friend! Have a wonderful day!

          • Popgunne

            Plenty of people have died for other people,what about our soldiers alone? And I think that hell is a pretty bad punishment for not believing in something.

          • Milica Djukich

            Jesus took the punishment on the CROSS so we wouldn;t go to hell! If humanity , ADAM AND EVE would have listened to what GOD had told them to do, this world would not have been in this shape now! It would be absolutly beautiful to live in but the devil tricked them like he is plenty of people now to follow him instead of JESUS! Soldiers made a sacrifice for all of us so we could be free here in AMERICA! The world is going to get worse but GOD;S people will get blessed and go spread the GOSPEL, the enemy is on the prowl to take as many people to hell with him as he can! But when you do a crime don;t you get punished? Its the same thing! Take a child abuser, wouldn;t you want them to get punished? Its the same thing, hen you do wrong you get punished but,that;s in the world but GOD gives you a chance, the world doesn;t! You will understand one day Popgunne one day, if you knew how GOD loves you! Have a wonderful day and a peaceful night friend!

          • Popgunne

            Okay, I think a child abuser has much more reason to be punished than someone who has a different opinion than you. But because adam and eve sinned, the rest of us are SOL (shit out of luck). That does not seem like a fair, loving or any other kind of good god to me. And that’s why I don’t want to have anything to do with that god. If that god sends me to hell, so be it. I don’t like him or her.

          • Milica Djukich

            But look at what everybody has done since than, even now! Why do you think if ADAM and Eve did what they did but look at what others to doing to each other, half the time it seems unreal, I hate it! GOD doesn;t hate anybody but it seems like everybody hates everybody, that s not GOD;S fault! Even if you don;t like him he still loves you, I know that is true and he knows who loves him and who doesnt but he forgives too! What you think if you go to hell, which I know you won;t, you think the devil likes you, he hates everybody, the only one he loves is himself and always has! Popgunne, its only the devil telling you that so he could get you there with him! You;ll understand, The LORD will show you! Take care! Have a wonderful night!

          • Popgunne

            Well, I don’t like either one of them!

          • Milica Djukich

            Oh Popgunne, I wish you would like GOD, I know he does you, I can garantee you that! But the devil hates you, you can be sure of that! But that s your decision to make, wish you all the best friend! If you have any questions you can ask me! You take care have a peaceful night!

          • Popgunne

            Milica, I was a christian for many years, decades, but I’m afraid I found it to be false. You are very nice though, thanx for being so friendly.

          • Milica Djukich

            That;s what christians are suppose to be like, like JESUS! Its really people not GOD Popgunne that made this world the way it is now, such hatred as I have never seen especially in AMERICA, I know JESUS is coming soon! You look to what JESUS did not what man does! I wish you the best, I consider you a friend! Sorry you feel the way you do but that is your decision! Take care! You want to talk, I;m here!

          • Popgunne

            See, that’s the thing, lots of people are like jesus, not just christians. And I want no part of a god who would allow his or her creation to go to hell just because they don’t agree with the way that this god does things. I think that is wrong. And I cannot side with a god that is wrong.

          • Popgunne

            I have to say, america is in big trouble.

          • Milica Djukich

            Popgunne, GOD doesn;t force anybody to believe in him, that;s why in the beginning he gave man a choice, he didn;t want to make a robot! But if it hadn;t been ADAM AND EVE, it would have been 2 other people, it was the devil that made them sin, not GOD! It would have been utopia in the beginning if man would have listened to GOD! None of this would be going on now! Its just going to get worse until JESUS comes back! Ask a muslin, when they find JESUS they are willing to die for it! The one PASTOR Saeed, in Iran they let him loose and he is in switerland, they told him to renounce JESUS, he wouldn;t and he is a muslin, but I know GOD used him in that prison, if anyone would deny JESUS it would be muslins, they see him in visions and dreams, they would give their life for Mohomand much less JESUS! I know no religion is right, because JESUS came to save humanity from what the devil did and get back the keys of hell and death, all of us will face eternity somewhere! I now you now what JESUS went through on the CROSS that was all for us, he didnlt have to but he did! I know there is nobody not even my own parents that would have sacrificed themselves for me through all that torture and pain, but JESUS did! I know GOD S LOVE and GOOD, and the devil is selfish and full of hate for everybody accept himself! The devil is the father of lies! He knows his time is short, so he is recking affive everywhere! I know Popgunne that GOD loves you and me and everybody! JESUS said, the devil comes to kill, steal and to destroy but JESUS came to give more abundently! If a person has the HOLY SPIRIT which GOD gave to his people that believe, even the apostles didn;t believe until the HOLY SPIRIT came on them! I love him! GOD said in the last days he will pour out his SPIRIT on all flesh! Take care, Like I said have a wonderful night Popgunne! Nice talking to you!

          • Popgunne

            Well, I think you’re right on one thing. No religion is correct. And none is all wrong either, Including yours… I think you’re Just fine continuing on with yours.
            Live long and prosper, I mean it!

          • Popgunne

            I dont think the devil likes me. I don’t believe in the devil per se, or god. But if there was a god, I don’t think he or she would think one way or the other about me. The same goes for the devil.
            I also don’t think that everybody hates everybody. There are all kinds of good people out there doing all kinds of good things for others. And that’s why I don’t believe. So many wonderful people, with so many different beliefs, it’s the way they connect to the “devine”. And if that’s how they feel better, then more power to them. I just don’t feel a need for a special way to connect to all things good.
            And not to try to insult you, but you don’t KNOW these things because you have no proof to give anyone. You BELIEVE these things, and that’s just fine, for you.

          • Milica Djukich

            The devil only likes himself and always has! He wants to take as many people to hell as he can to be with him, but JESUS gave his body and blood to show that he loves us and wants us to be with g him! I now there are nice people, but not only being nice will get us into heaven it is our belief in JESUS, he is the way, the truth and the life! Man though up all the beliefs Popgunne, not GOD and man has messed it up since! I know what the LORD has done for me and what he wants me to do! I just now JESUS and who he is and what he did! My proof is that I now and truly believe in a devine being who truly loves me and I have seen evidence, but you see Popgunne, there is eternity, for everyone no matter what color , what nationality or anything else, the world wasnlt suppose to be like this but man rebelled and listened to the devil and still does, instead of GOD! I understand what you say, I pray with all my heart that GOD will show you how he really loves you and truly know that he does! You have a wonderful peaceful night!

          • Popgunne

            Man did not think up all the beliefs. God wants you to believe in god, that’s a belief.
            I was a christian for many years, god did not show me one single thing.

            It’s good for you (I guess) that you have a belief. I don’t have a belief and my life has been so much better since I left that belief behind. That’s my proof.

            I’m not sure if I believe in eternity or not. I hope there is, I’m just pretty sure that heaven and hell are not part of it. That is my belief.

          • Popgunne

            Did he create us? That’s just what your book says. I think the jury’s out on that one.

          • Popgunne
          • Popgunne

            What you believe about “god” IS your religion.

          • Popgunne
          • Popgunne

            That is your religion. You don’t need a group to have a religion. It is your personal belief, and that is a religion.

          • Popgunne

            You believe it, that’s the religion. I don’t think god is going to ask which sect. But of course I don’t believe in god per se. But if there is is one, (god) I don’t think he (or she) will send people to hell, that’s my religion.

          • Popgunne

            The reason you think god will say these things is because of your religion, your personal belief.

          • COMALite J

            He also said (in the same Gospel According to Saint John), “For My Father is greater than I.” Nothing can be greater than nor less than itself.

            Most of the scriptures used to support Trinitarianism (or Oneness) come from the writings of John, including the First Epistle of Saint John, chapter 5, verse 7, aka the Comma Johannæum which is of dubious authenticity (it’s not found in the older Greek manuscripts of the Epistle, nor was it in Erasmus’s Textus Receptus until the third revision thereof, and Erasmus put it in under protest — this revision thereof is the primary source for the KJV New Testament). The NIV and most other versions keep only the first few words of that verse (“There are three that bear witness:”) and then move on to verse 8 (“the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three agree in one”) but leave off the disputed parts of those two verses: “… in Heaven: the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in Earth:” Some versions show these in a footnote, but not in the main text. Yet this is the only passage in all of scripture that explicitly says that all three of the members of the “Trinity” (a word found nowhere in all of scripture in any form or variation) are one. There are no others.

            Yet John himself very clearly showed what he meant by “one” in such passages in the entire seventeenth chapter of his Gospel. Read the whole chapter, so no claiming “out of context.” All but the first sentence (which merely establishes the sentence) is red ink in a Red Letter Edition, and so are the (alleged) actual words of Yahashua Ha’Mashiach (known to most as “Jesus Christ,” though He would never have heard either of those words in His life) Himself. Read what He repeatedly asks of His Father (the very fact that He was even praying to His Father in the first place is a serious blow to Trinitiarianism and Oneness doctrine, since talking to oneself is not generally considered to be a sign of a sound mind, but we’ll ignore that for now) to be bestowed upon, first, His chosen Eleven (Twelve minus “the Son of Perdition”), and then to all who would come to believe in Him through their word.

            “…that they may be one, even as We are one.” “Let them be one in us, as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee.” And so on, and so on.

            That’s the same Gospel According to Saint John who is the only one to quote Jesus saying, “I and my Father are one.”

    • Pax Humana

      You and your allies are just promoting religions as well, so spare me your bullshit, miss. Torcasco v. Watkins (1961), Kaufmann v. McCaughtry (2005), and Amercian Humanist Association v. United States (2014), among MANY other rulings in the USA and worldwide, prove your claims to be a bunch of fucking bullshit.

  • George Frayer

    I find it insane that Christianity is lumped up as a whole. In all fairness not every Christian believes the same way. not every Christian holds the same Ideology. There are so many derivatives of the main faith, that it is too numerous to count. for instance I consider myself a Christian but disagree with a stereotype that i have noticed (The praying for the end). Yes we all want to see our messiah again but in order to do so ….some people git to die. I absolutely do not pray for this. I pray that humanity holds onto its existence as long as possible, there are tons of Christians who feel the same. to say (All christians) on any ideology is about like saying every Muslim is a terrorist or every male is a rapist. It is neither right nor fair. Not every Christian wants to shove there faith down your throat and not every Christian supports doing it.

    • COMALite J

      According to the World Encyclopedia of Christianity, there are or have been some 33,800 different variants (denominations, sects, cults, subdivisions, etc.) of Christianity alone.

  • Brent Crocker

    I would just like to say I’m a Christian and if any Christian wants war they are not a Christian. . With emphasis.

    • capthiltz

      Good for you! Peace!

      Just imagine for a while where we would be as a species if we had put even half the effort we spent on warfare into peaceful pursuits.

    • Frank Lockwood

      True, but if you live in America and believe that, you are in the minority, a small minority.

      Look who supports the war machines? Look who votes for the war mongers and is vocal about it. Read the comments on the social media! There is no doubt about it so far as I am concerned

      • Pax Humana

        Those that are against war are not only those that are against peace, but that they are also the biggest cowards upon the planet and they also always cause far more pain, death, suffering, and, ironically enough, war, than the people that advocate for war on evildoers in their lives. You want to be against war, then you need to learn to fight for your family, your friends, and for the strangers out on the streets, not just with words, but also with weapons when it is applicable. We are in a society that is not much different from a zombie plague and there is no reasoning with zombies, just as there is more and more accounts of no reasoning with the various forces of Lucifer, regardless of their belief structures in their lives. You want to no longer enforce the death penalty, then go after the ones that are unrepentant of evil. You want to be against the deaths of people in ways that do not seem like war, then you need to stand for strong quality and safety standards in products, proper maintenance and operation of various devices, proper play rules in regards to sports, common sense, intelligence, and standing up against abortionists, the LGBT community, the poisoners of our food, vegetarians, people for euthanasia, people for the murder of the disabled, and the people for assisted suicide in this world, period, full stop.

        • Popgunne

          You’re not a well boy…

  • matt_black

    It’s remarkable how many self-proclaimed Christians showed up here to profess ignorance of this subject. The end-times series “Left Behind” has sold over 65 million copies! That’s huge! How can they not be aware of this? Lost in their own little insular sects I suppose.

  • David

    Who wrote this dribble? The second coming of Jesus will be like His first coming…it’s all timing, baby, all timing. But, most of you morons don’t even know what I’m talking about.

    • Pax Humana

      Finally, there is someone with some common sense in here.

  • EG

    People should be worried about the evangelical zealots that are taking over the U.S. government. The evangelical way of thinking is dangerous. Evangelicals are dangerous. They do not think rationally, are against science, and are against anything that goes against their way of thinking and against everyone that is not an Evangelical. Evangelicals are scary and I have had many bad experiences with them. They are a cult. Evangelicalism has hihacked U.S. politics and is dividing this country. Evangelicals are racists and bigots.

    • need Jesus.

      the Bible says in the book of Corinthians that they do not know God because they do not have Jesus Christ in their heart or you have not received the Holy Spirit to distinguish right from wrong. If you don’t have salvation or you haven’t asked Jesus into your heart then you will never understand the word God because you do not have the comforter living in you and that’s the Holy Spirit. You have no idea of what Christianity is or evangelism is. You’re trying your best to cut down God’s people and you will have repercussions for this. I suggest that you ask the Lord to forgive you and to ask Jesus into your heart and I forgive you of your sins and be your Lord and Savior.

      • Milica Djukich

        AMEN! PRAISE the lord! We are his vessel at these last days! GOD BLESS you!

      • Cathy

        As a Christian God delivering me out of the cult of evangelism is one of the best gifts he ever gave me. I’ll be 60 on my next birthday and know full well that the evangelicals ARE A CULT of the worst kind. They are dangerous and have a huge sense of entitlement because they believe they are HIS VESSELS IN THESE LAST DAYS, as someone who posted to you said. How arrogant is that? Disgustingly arrogant and you people can’t see it. Again, thank you Lord, for opening my eyes to that cult and giving me the grace and ability to leave even though it took years to heal my heart.

        • Pax Humana

          No, you just entered into another cult and you sided up with Lucifer, Cathy. What part did you clearly NOT comprehend about The Great Commission?

      • Popgunne

        EG, yer just dead wrong. Keep it to yourself.

    • capthiltz

      Well said. Even though the really hard core evangelicals still make up a minority of the U.S. population they have the backing of the financially elite. This is why they have control of the Senate. Well, that and redistricting and outright election fraud. I don’t believe the very wealthy are themselves hard core evangelicals, rather Fake Christians. They are using these people and groups like the Tea Party to eliminated a democratic government and replace it with a board of directors that we can’t vote in or out. They may let the evangelicals impose a theocracy for awhile but that too would be swept away because it would clash with the elitist’s excessive lifestyle.

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  • Cathy

    As a Christian I will say I agree with this article. The drum beating of the evangelical Christians who are in bed with the neo-cons is vile and shameful. I refuse to have any part of it.

  • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

    All you sympathizers are cowards and traitors!

    • Christopher

      Thanks to studies we know Christians suffer brain damage. So go ahead and speak your nonsense.. Christians vs the human race = No matter what.. If you people start ww3 it will be the last act of Christianity. Here is something for you from science.. What happens when a secular nation puts its people in a bunker and releases a bio weapon world wide? The religious nuts will see it as punishment from god and pray! AHAHA!

      • Pax Humana

        Yes, you are brain damaged, thank you.

  • david jones

    Has anybody told Bush what a fool he is?

  • Son Ja

    Then millions of evangenical Christians are not true Christians”

    • COMALite J

      Dispensationalism is a Nineteenth Century cult of Christianity, just like Mormonism is. It was invented circa 1830, the same year as the official founding of the LDS Church. Its founder, its “Joseph Smith” if you will, was one John Nelson Darby, who wasn’t even born until December 18, 1800.

      Absolutely none of the Founders and Framers were Dispensationalists, and we know this for an absolute fact, since the Founding of the USA happened in 1776 and the Framing of the Constitution was in 1787, so there is absolutely no way that any of them could’ve been influenced by Darby in the slightest degree because Darby was over a decade (or two, in the case of the Founders) away from having even been conceived yet.

      So while it may be debatable how many Founders or Framers were actual believing Christians (most were in fact Christian at least on paper, but actual religious belief was at a low ebb among educated people at the time, during the Age of Reason), we know for an absolute indisputible fact that not a single one of them was the particular kind of “Christian” which goes by “Born-Again” or “just plain fundamentalist and/or evangelical” “Christian” these days, but which has an actual name: Dispensationalism.

      Most Dispensationalists don’t know that they’re Dispensationalists. Dispensationalism tries to hide its cult nature, and masquerades as just plain evangelical fundamentalist Protestantism, but it isn’t.

      How can you tell if you’re a Dispensationalist? Simple: do you believe in “the Rapture”? If so, you’re a Dispensationalist. That word is found nowhere in the Bible in any form or variation, and neither is the concept. It comes from Darby, and was not known of prior to 1830.

      The reason I put “Christian” in quotes above is because, under the most reasonable definition of the term “Christian” (namely, one who follows the teachings of the One known generally as Jesus Christ, thus “Christian” — and, most importantly, puts His teachings above all others as the highest source of revealed truth applicable to the specific age in which one lives, with none being held above His, none able to trump His words — this is in the same sense that one who holds the teachings of Confucius in such regard would rightly be called a “Confucian,” one who holds the teachings of Zoroaster as the highest would be called a “Zoroastrian,” one who holds the teachings of Buddha as the greatest would be called a “Buddhist,” and so on), Dispensationalism does not qualify.

      Those Dispensationalists who know what Dispensationalism actually is will, when pressed, say that, for us here in the “Dispensation of Grace” aka “the Church Age,” the teachings of Saint Paul the Apostle are held above those of Jesus Christ, since Paul, not Jesus, is the Head of said Dispensation of Grace, which was ushered in under him and won’t end until “the Rapture.”

      Got that? If Paul says one thing, and Jesus says another that either apparently or actually does contradict what Paul said, even if salvation itself is on the line, Dispensationalists are taught to believe Paul over Jesus! So, just as someone who admires the teachings of Confucius but holds Buddha’s teachings to be superior would be properly termed a Buddhist and not a Confucian, so, too, are Dispensationalists not Christians, but Paulines.

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  • Max Benser

    “Paper Clip” & NATO= Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, Serbia, Cambodia, Chile!!!

  • Max Benser

    1. “Prophecy” in Gazawar!
    2. “Prophecy” in Iraqwar”
    3. You need a War? It is a possible with the biblical God, anytime!!! ( Legal! )

  • Max Benser

    With the Bible, you can kill 100.000.000 people, no problem, Genocid is legal in God,s name!!!

  • Max Benser

    You can rape a Girls, Womens, Childrens with the Bible – no problems is a legal Criminality. Num. 31:17.

  • Max Benser

    You can rape your Sister, Mother, no problem, with the Bible is legal!!!

  • Max Benser

    What you need? Killing the people? No problem, with the Bible you can do!!!

  • Max Benser

    With the Bible israeli Soldiers killing the People in Gaza 70 Years long, legal, nobody say something!
    Petra Laszlo, hungarian Camermanwomen she kicking Migrantschildrens, this ia a horrible, and killing
    in Gaza is not a horrible? NO!!! This is a legal Killing of “Holy” Israel!!!

  • Max Benser

    Where is a diference between Petra Laszlo and Alayed Shaked?!!!

  • Max Benser

    Alayed Shaked is Women from “Promised Land”, and Petra Laszlo is from Hungary, big diference!!!

  • Max Benser

    In “Promised Bible Land”, is Killing and kicking legal, not in Hungary!!!

  • Max Benser

    But Not and never in Hungary, Serbia, or Croatia,… never!

    • Pax Humana

      “I will bless those that bless My People (including My Nation) and I will curse those that curse My People (including My Nation).” Do you REALLY want to be cursed by YAHWEH EL ELOHIM, you Nazi scumbag?

  • Markus Roland

    What do we think now? With Syria falling apart and Russia moving in. One thing I don’t understand. I can understand a dispensationalist believer wanting WW3, but why would the atheist allies of the former want WW3? Minus a belief in a return of Jesus, you just have the knowledge that WW3 will be hell for everyone. What would be an atheists motivation in trying to provoke WW3?

    Well, from where I’m sitting in september 2015, I must say it appears as if the dispensationalists are getting closer to their vision.

  • Ishmael Abraham

    Orthodox Muslim scholars believe that Russians are Gog and Westerners are Magog and they will kill Afghans who are the physical Israel and Muslims who are spiritual Israel, and that prophecy has been fulfilled. Many biblical prophecies have been fulfilled by Islam, but Jews and Christians still imagine they are on God’s side while they are not. According to Quran 2:124 spiritual leadership excludes Jews and Christians due to their rejection of the truth of Islam. Atheists are honest to understand that West is not on God’s side.Jewish and Christians Zionists want to force the apocalypse, while atheists want to avoid apocalypse and commit a cultural apocalypse instead, while Muslims are focused on salvation through keeping the commandments.

  • Chad

    Western Christians are about as far away from Jesus as Pluto is from the Sun. They would be FAR better served by doing a little reading about Jesus as recorded in the Quran. Jesus was an ascetic, and would find nothing praiseworthy in westernized Christians; no doubt, he’d let them know they are all destined for their worst nightmare:

  • Lindsay Gough

    Anyone who takes any religion literally is not very bright. In fact those who even take it seriously are an insult to 4 billion years of evolution.

  • COMALite J

    Dispensationalism is a Nineteenth Century cult of Christianity, just like Mormonism is. It was invented circa 1830, the same year as the official founding of the LDS Church. Its founder, its “Joseph Smith” if you will, was one John Nelson Darby, who wasn’t even born until December 18, 1800.

    Absolutely none of the Founders and Framers were Dispensationalists, and we know this for an absolute fact, since the Founding of the USA happened in 1776 and the Framing of the Constitution was in 1787, so there is absolutely no way that any of them could’ve been influenced by Darby in the slightest degree because Darby was over a decade (or two, in the case of the Founders) away from having even been conceived yet.

    So while it may be debatable how many Founders or Framers were actual believing Christians (most were in fact Christian at least on paper, but actual religious belief was at a low ebb among educated people at the time, during the Age of Reason), we know for an absolute indisputible fact that not a single one of them was the particular kind of “Christian” which goes by “Born-Again” or “just plain fundamentalist and/or evangelical” “Christian” these days, but which has an actual name: Dispensationalism.

    Most Dispensationalists don’t know that they’re Dispensationalists. Dispensationalism tries to hide its cult nature, and masquerades as just plain evangelical fundamentalist Protestantism, but it isn’t.

    How can you tell if you’re a Dispensationalist? Simple: do you believe in “the Rapture”? If so, you’re a Dispensationalist. That word is found nowhere in the Bible in any form or variation, and neither is the concept. It comes from Darby, and was not known of prior to 1830.

    The reason I put “Christian” in quotes above is because, under the most reasonable definition of the term “Christian” (namely, one who follows the teachings of the One known generally as Jesus Christ, thus “Christian” — and, most importantly, puts His teachings above all others as the highest source of revealed truth applicable to the specific age in which one lives, with none being held above His, none able to trump His words — this is in the same sense that one who holds the teachings of Confucius in such regard would rightly be called a “Confucian,” one who holds the teachings of Zoroaster as the highest would be called a “Zoroastrian,” one who holds the teachings of Buddha as the greatest would be called a “Buddhist,” and so on), Dispensationalism does not qualify.

    Those Dispensationalists who know what Dispensationalism actually is will, when pressed, say that, for us here in the “Dispensation of Grace” aka “the Church Age,” the teachings of Saint Paul the Apostle are held above those of Jesus Christ, since Paul, not Jesus, is the Head of said Dispensation of Grace, which was ushered in under him and won’t end until “the Rapture.”

    Got that? If Paul says one thing, and Jesus says another that either apparently or actually does contradict what Paul said, even if salvation itself is on the line, Dispensationalists are taught to believe Paul over Jesus! So, just as someone who admires the teachings of Confucius but holds Buddha’s teachings to be superior would be properly termed a Buddhist and not a Confucian, so, too, are Dispensationalists not Christians, but Paulines.

  • David Martin

    none of this is biblical no wonder people think Christians are nuts

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    Luke 24:7
    The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.

    24 : 7

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “Every act is a reflection of the mind and thoughts that dwell within.”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “There is no truth in evil, nor in pleasures of the senses. They say they will not die — that pleasure is life, but the senses and the flesh will die, and there is no truth in them. It is better to die and live again, than to live and die for ever.”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “Understand the blindness and struggles of those about you. It is not weakness to understand the sorrows of others.”

    “Weakness is to yield to the temptations of the flesh and illusion of matter.”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “Would you have peace? Then study the laws of
    peace. The world is beginning to long for peace as it has never longed in all the ages past.
    Are the vibrations from the minds of those who desire peace beginning to be felt?”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “Man descended to ascend.”

    “How can you rise without falling first?”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “God is incorruptible and becomes corruptible only when likened unto man. Man must make himself as God, and not endeavor to make God as a man.”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “Jesus was human and He experienced all that humanity experiences. He was tempted by the same tempter — the lure and attraction of the senses, but He understood, what we fail to understand, that the senses were but false gods that lead to destruction. To overcome the senses does not mean that we cannot enjoy what we have. To subject the senses to the will of righteousness and purity makes us all the more capable of enjoying the things which it is right- to enjoy. When we become slaves to sensations we are not the master. To become Masters we must overcome all that leads us away from purity, love and truth.”

  • yEshUA ImmAnUEl

    “Do you know, do you fully understand that every thought you think, every word you have spoken (good and ill), every action and every deed is recorded in- delibly in the soul? The soul is the Lamb’s Book of Life, and in it the names of those who come up from the pits of earth’s darkness, illusions and snares are written.”

    “That soul lives and bears record. All deeds, acts, thoughts, are written to be read when judgment comes”

  • cyndi59

    I am a premillennial, dispensational evangelical Christian and I can tell you this is simply not true. Pure propaganda.

  • Greg Merrill

    It’s not just evangelical Christians,it’s all conservatives. Islamic conservatives,Jewish conservatives and ,of course, Christian conservatives. Conservatives hate the other conservatives, and appear to want everyone dead.