If the “Occupy” Movement and Tea Party Join Together, We Can End the Malignant Partnership Between Big Government and Big Corporations Which Is Destroying America

If the “Occupy” Movement and Real Tea Party Join Together, We Can Save America

Mike Krieger writes today:

The reason the liberal mainstream corporate media demonized the Tea Party is because it threatens the status quo.

The reason the conservative corporate mainstream media demonizes Occupy Wall Street is because it threatens the status quo.

These are textbook divide and conquer strategies being used on the American people. Do not fall for it.

Yesterday I read a really interesting gallup poll that stated: “Not surprisingly, Americans who consider themselves supporters of the Occupy Wall Street movement (26% of all Americans) are more likely to blame Wall Street than the federal government for the nation’s economic problems. Supporters of the Tea Party movement (22% of Americans) are overwhelmingly likely to blame the government.” What is most compelling to me is that 26%+22% = 48% so basically almost a majority.

All we need to do is teach people that Washington D.C. and Wall Street are now the same corrupt entity. They are one gigantic rogue trader sucking the lifeblood out of America. If we can unite these forces, which I can say with certainty agree on the important issues, we can put an end to the status quo and free ourselves of this bondage.

Many others agree with Krieger. As Raw Story notes, free speech advocate Lawrence Lessig told the Occupy DC rally:

The tea party is also part of the 99 Percent.

“What is inspiring about this movement is its potential… to rally our country around an idea that we all believe fundamentally: this government is corrupt,” he said.


“[2008] is the first time in American history where we have seen a collapse followed by no fundamental re-regulation of the financial services sector, because they have the power to block change from either the Democrats and Republicans.”

“They hold this country hostage because of that power, because of that corruption,” he continued.

He went on to recall a time he went to a tea party conference, only to hear legitimately angry, homespun grassroots activists talk about this very problem in the same manner as the “Occupy” groups, who he said should put aside what they believe as far as gay rights or abortion or other social wedge issues.

You can build this movement to unite America around this idea that the time for crony capitalism must come to an end,” Lessig said. “There is no one on the left or the right who defends the system of crony capitalism, they just practice it.”

I have repeatedly noted that conservatives are wary of big government and liberals are wary of big corporations, but that all Americans hate the system of crony capitalism (also known as “socialism” or “fascism”) which we have today.

As I wrote Tuesday:

So who is really to blame … Wall Street or Washington?

The answer – which can only be seen if we take of our partisan blinders long enough to look around – is both.

It’s like covering up one eye in a 3-D movie … you lose most of the image.    Being a partisan Democrat or partisan Republican is using only one of your eyes, and missing the big picture in the process.

Slate’s David Wiegel took a stab at showing the overlap between the Occupy and Tea Party movements:

 The Tea Party and the Occupiers: Can They Just Get Along?Similarly, Time’s Roya Wolverson writes:

I … came across this nice visual, a Venn diagram of the Tea Party and OWS’s overlapping interests, drawn up by the self-described “liberal-leaning libertarian” blogger James Sinclair:

The idea here is that our livelihoods are threatened by more than just the outsized power of corporations (in the view of Occupy Wall St.) or government (in the Tea Party’s view). It’s both these forces working together to their exclusive benefit that has the whole of America (minus the 1%, or the .01%, or name your miniscule number) mouthing off at one big boss or another.


Pundits and politicians thrive in a polarized world. So, threatened and fueled by the very existence of the other side, many of them have claimed these movements as yet another tool to gripe at one another…. And yet, there are a few voices noting these movements’ common cause. Jim Harper at the right-leaning Cato Institute is an example:

There are plenty of reasons to reject the possibility of alliance between Tea Partyism and OWS, but not necessarily good ones….To the extent the substance of their grievance is, or can be turned to, corporations’ use of government power to win unjust power and profits for themselves, that’s a grievance I can sit in a drum circle for.


And even some Tea Party organizers have said things like, “it’s funny that the Occupy Wall Street guys are also against phoney capitalism and we agree about that.”

Remember, small businesses – not giant corporations – are the big job creators.  And small banks – not the big banks – are the ones extending loans to small businesses (see this and this).   And yet the government has been helping the big boys and killing small businesses.  No wonder both Occupy and Tea Party participants are furious at government policies that bail out the giants at the expense of small businesses and small banks.

And both are also furious that the little guy has to play by the rules, but the big fish can commit fraud and the government won’t prosecute them.

In both of these examples, it is the collusion of Big Government and Big Business which is the problem.  Sure, people could argue about which came first – government corruption or Wall Street corruption – but this is a worthless chicken-versus-egg debate.  The truth is that both are currently corrupt and so entangled as to be inseparable. Instead of engaging in a meaningless ideological debate about who started this corrupt condition, let’s agree to end it.

The Oath Keepers and a founding member of the Tea Party announced that they are supporting the current protests on Wall Street and against the Federal Reserve.

Another key founder of the Tea Party – Karl Denninger – also supports the protests, and points out that the demands of the Tea Party protesters were originally very similar to those of the Occupy protesters (before the mainstream Republican party co-opted the Tea Party) .

Numerous local tea party leaders, such as the leader for the Trenton area, also support the Occupy protests.

But the truth is that – even if more people currently support the Occupy protests than support the Tea Party – the Occupy protesters should listen to the wisdom from the real, non-coopted Tea Partiers, and not simply patronize them.

Because government is at least half the problem,  and Obama does not support the 99%.

Any Occupy protesters who believe that government will solve all of our problems needs to learn both sides of the story (and see this).

Note: While mainstream Democrats will attempt to vilify the Tea Party for its calls to slash the budget, and mainstream Republicans will attempt to demonize the Occupy protesters for their calls for spending, the truth is that we can all unite against corrupt policy which doesn’t work.

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  • David

    Cut off the fat cat money spigot, i.e. stop paying rent on every dollar that exists.

    Since the borrower is servant to the lender, we should
    PROHIBIT the government borrowing from anyone, and
    issue DEBT FREE MONEY instead.

  • I am sure the 99% are sincere. If the Tea Party is sincere it is time for them to man-up and woman-up in support.

    When our forefathers produced the U.S. Constitution they could not get to where they wanted to go all at once … it took another century to tackle slavery, then another century after that to occupy Jim Crow.

    This is your chance Tea Party. Come on out and be counted..

    • andreyo

      Dredd, at least you have an open mind; by the comments of most here, I’d say you’re the exception.
      As a long-time “leftist,” it took me a long time to get past my own personal sense of injustice… to be able to LISTEN to what “the other” side has to say.
      Yes, there are problems with Ron Paul’s approach, (for example); but the point is, if we can recognize where we HUGELY agree with one another, (i.e. anti-bailout, anti-war) then that’s an opportunity for meaningful dialogue.
      Coming from “the left,” I can understand why folks here are having a hard time letting go of all the ignorance, sense or privilege and lack of compassion typically associated with “the conservative” point of view; but just TRY to imagine how many a grassroots conservative might soften towards a “leftist/liberal” point of view if we simply acknowledged where they have a point.
      To put this another way: if the closed minds on the right give those of us on the left the excuse we need to keep our minds closed, then who are we to blame?
      Just look at the response to this thoughtful, potentially game-changing perspective from Washington’s Blog: “Nahhh”; “ain’t gonna happen”; “they’re incapable”; etc. etc.
      Real change begins with the self; and it looks like (for all the failings/limitations of the “right-conservative-patriot” viewpoint) the problem is still with us.
      So I challenge you… so-called “progressives/liberals”, (apparently “open to change”): the next time you see a “Ron Paul” sign, or an “Oath Keeper” sign, or a soldier in uniform… at an OWS rally, please go up to them and thank them for being there… for standing in the middle of an unfamiliar (“leftist?”) gathering, and ask them what they think.
      I think you’ll be surprised and glad you did.
      Otherwise, with closed minds on BOTH sides, we don’t stand a chance.
      Here’s an example of the dialogue we’re talking about:

  • Archie

    This seems to be the “bipartisan” wish of the season . . . if only the OWS and the TP could get together!!!

    Here is what I had to say about it at another blog just yesterday.

    By definition, the Conservatives are disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. But progressives/liberals favor or advocate progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters.

    This is why I do not believe that the OWS supporters and the Tea Party supporters will ever find common ground, even though there are many specific grievances that are shared. The T-P is really looking more to tweak the system while the OWS are looking to fundamentally reset the societal paradigm. I would say though, that if the TPers could get past their ideological hang-ups about “progressive society” ideas, then great strides can be made. IMHO, the OWS people are only looking for a fair and open discussion of EVERYTHING that is American Society and Culture. Their one, non-negotiable position is that what we have now IS NOT the best we can do.

    I hate to say it, but I think that open, violent confrontation in the streets is more likely than some kind of “meeting of the minds” between conservatives and non-conservatives. One side whole heartedly believes in “american exceptionalism” while the other side feels that they “have been down so long, it looks like up”. There are really two Americas (at minimum).

    • Archie

      A case in point.

      The conservatives just can’t help themselves!

    • Dory McLaughlin

      the tea party allowed itself to be co opted by the Kochs and their ilk…..also,,,the tea party is CRUEL…the cuts they demand hurt our weakest and most needy…..they do NOT represent Americans! Americans are kind souls who take care of their brothers/sisters…..and OWS doesn’t want to be a political party….they want to get RID of the charades we see now, and have honest, democratic participation……you can’t have that or any other discussion with people who just sit there, while Rome is burning and say NO…..I see the TP as an honest attempt at working within the system..but….they were used by the GOP, and now, their message is all wrong…..I would hope those original members can see that they have been had, and will come onboard with OWS….God bless America

      • Brian

        I would say, the national face of the Tea Party has been co-opted, but the independant groups have not. Corporations own media, corporations want to maintain the status quo, therefore they will do everything in their power to illustrate our differences. Don’t be a pawn, get online and find a local tea party group and attend a meeting. Once you meet a few and hear what they have to say firsthand, make a judgement. If you like (some/most) of what your hear, it is an opportunity to reciprocate with a local occupy meeting. Exchanging ideas and working t0wards the common goal of reforming the system despite our differences is the only way the people of this country can take back our government.

    • MM

      Do “progressive society” ideas, that you fail to define, resemble Thomas Jefferson or Karl Marx?

      The main stream media has been able to paint OSW as a socialist/marxist movement. The leaderless resistance movement has very little chance of succeeding in it’s present form.
      It is time for OWS to state what they really want and find a leader.

      Propaganda or not, here’s whats out there and why most tea party members won’t join.


      The problems that ails the current American society are many. Until we break them into manageable pieces and prioritize them, we will get nowhere (which is precisely the way the ruling elite want it to go).

      The current failed economy was brought about by reckless banking policies. The Federal Reserve Board has regulatory and supervisory responsibilities over banks. The Fed’s job is to foster a sound banking system and a healthy economy. They failed to do their job. It’s time to focus the attention on this entity and get some accountability. This is where we should all start. (BTW – the owners of the Fed just happen to be the top .1%)


  • Forget it. They are right wingers and they don’t like you.

  • Locke

    No. There is a fundamental difference between the two outside of social issues that prevents anything of the sort:
    At their heart the Tea Party wants to limit the power of the federal government as much as possible. They don’t trust the government and want deregulation of everything to “let the market decide”. On the other hand, OWS wants the federal government to step up and represent their constituents by placing harsher regulations on corporations expanding their power in order to reign back in the out of control abuses of the 1% (similar to those put in place as part of the New Deal, then later neutered by Reagan placing us in the situation we find ourselves in today.)

    A fusion of the two groups will never happen because on a non-superficial level they are polar opposites.

  • Ford Prefect

    While I’m sure OWS can peel off a number of TP supporters, the actual TP itself is beholden to various institutional concerns that will actively sabotage any potential relationship to OWS.

    Just look at the Venn Diagram above. On the OWS side, you see a collection of small-d democratic constituencies–and they’ve locked out the Democratic Party. On the TP side, you see corporations, the GOP and all the problematic institutions that have done so much damage to this country over the last few decades. Given the top-down hierarchical nature of the TP, how does one find “common ground” with such a group? They will insist on control of the agenda, for their own purposes. They will also insist OWS give up any notions of justice or eliminating corruption, for starters.

    It also happens to be the case their agenda is the exact opposite of OWS’s. They say they hate bailouts, but how much banking money lies in their coffers? Their media outlets are all saying, “If you don’t have a job, it’s YOUR FAULT. Don’t blame Wall Street, blame the Kenyan interloper instead.”

    If anything, I would expect OWS to draw some people away from the TP, which is why their leadership is so openly hostile to OWS, for the most part. CNN and Fox have to attack OWS to keep TPers from bolting. The Kochs et al are probably rather worried about an exodus from their ranks, so they have to maintain conflict with OWS. They’ve no doubt seen the polls, which show the TP is seriously unpopular.

    Where is the middle ground between small-d democratic constituencies and Right-Wing Authoritarianism? Perhaps given a better alternative, some TPers will bolt, because they aren’t really Right-Wing Authoritarian Followers. This seems to be happening in Boston, for example.

  • Terry

    I don’t hold much hope that the Tea Party (if it indeed exists) will smell the coffee, much less wake up. Since the beginnings of the OWS protests, the media bastions of Tea Party-type thought have, in unison – seemingly orchestrated – showered the OWS protesters with the most vile, stereotypical slurs we’re heard since Agnew’s “nattering nabobs of negativism” speech of the early 1970’s. If fact, the filth emanating from the mouths of radio’s Glenn Beck and Mark Levin is nearly beyond comparison to Agnew’s relatively mild words. You have to actually take the time to listen to these radio programs (yes, it’s hard to stomach) to understand the depth of the OWS mis-characterization being broadcast daily …hourly. Fox News (watched and/or listened to by a majority of white Americans) is nearly as bad as the AM radio shills.

    The early days of the original 2008 Tea Party movement were quite like these days of OWS. All political persuasions were evident; while whites always outnumbered minorities, the minorities were present. However, once the racists, Nazis, and Koch Industries money arrived, they vanished. Quickly, the Tea Party was transformed into its present day form: the right wing of the Republican party. No? Then why do ALL recently elected “Tea Party” candidates have an “R” after their name? Why do NONE have a “TP” after their name?

    OWS has taken note of the co-option of the Tea Party. Hopefully they took good notes. There are methods to prevent co-option. One of these safeguards is their “failure” to produce a “list of demands.” When you are jello, you cannot be nailed to a tree. The American mass media thrives on the left/right cat fight, and without it they are reduced to immateriality – hence, their wild screams of “Give us a list of demands!”

    My hope is that the marginal “Tea Party” supporters will relocate once they see more of their values reflected in the OWS movement than in what the “Tea Party” has become. Of course, if what they “see and hear” is being provided by Fox News and AM radio, there’s far less chance. Naturally, Fox News and the AM radio sheep herders know this. Their mis-characterization of OWS is now at a level that Goebbels could appreciate.

    Many who were attracted to the original 2008 Tea Party, but disgusted by its absorption into the Republican far-right, may just move to support OWS. One thing they will be watching closely is the degree of co-option. Should OWS turn hard left these same citizens will find, once again, they have no voice. Should that hard-left turn occur, the next “movement” on the scene will be the one to watch. That third movement would be the game changer. Having said that, it is important to remember that the OWS movement is fueled by the Millennial generation. This generation is not at all like the Boomers of the 60’s and 70’s. History is not lineal – rather cyclical. Where the Boomers rang the bells and wrote the songs and cued up for the protest marches, this generation will ACT. It may be a wonderful resurgence of the Republic …it may be something far different. The outcome is not known. The times, they are a’changin …and they are dangerous.

  • Daphne

    Go back a step and you find the root of the problem is campaign finance. If we could remove the soft money and only allow say $100 contributions – and that only from real people, then we could at least hope to have some honest politicians again. That wouldn’t solve all our problems, but it is a necessary step. Of course, getting that kind of campaign finance reform is going to require the threat of an imminent revolution.

  • I agree with all of what you have stated here with the exception that there are plenty of Libertarians that are also involved in the Occupy Wall Street movement. They seem to be the ones that have a more balanced and more Constitutional view and stated cure for the present situation we face with the Banks and the government acting as one entity. End the FED is their battle cry and I have to say that seems to be the only way we will make any progress in getting things started back i the right direction.

    • Locke

      Remind me how decreasing the government’s ability to regulate banks is going to help prevent banks from abusing the 99%?

      There may be Libertarians that identify with OWS, but once again, the goal of OWS is to increase protections on the 99% which is inconsistent with the Tea Party and Libertarian message of small government/unrestrained capitalism.

      • Brian

        Limiting regulation is limiting government power. As long as politicians answer to their corporate overlords, they can’t be trusted. That is the point of the Tea Party, at least the portion that hasn’t been co-opted by big business and the Republican party. If you don’t trust big business, than as an extension you can’t trust government. Shrinking the power of the FEDERAL government and sending control back to the states will provide greater protection for the “99%” The closer your government is to you the more control and accountability you have.

  • Jake

    The common grievance of OWS & Tea Party against crony capitalism, and eliminating it, could be a unifying objective. However, strategy and tactics are polar opposites and will prevent any coalescing of the two groups. OWS has not prevented infiltration by groups working to undermine them, including violence advocates and radical elements. Hundreds of arrests in NYC and Chicago bear this out. This gives the government the excuse to use force if, and when, they determine it is necessary. The Tea Party has been disciplined, cooperating with authorities, getting permits and preventing any physical confrontation with police.
    If the government initiates force, the Tea Party and Oathkeepers will retaliate and defend our families, but we will not initiate the use of force or partner with any group that has permitted it.

  • timothy price

    OWS….. There has been talk of auditing the Fed, but what about the Pentagon? They have more than half of the budget.. that is, what we know they spend. The day before 9/11 Rumsfeld said at a press conference the they had “lost” $2.3 TRIllion that they had no idea what happened to. The Pentagon has never been audited though it is supposed to be. So, get the friggen Pentagon audited. No money unless it is budgeted.. and no money for black ops. That would free up a lot of money for reducing the budget gap. Hell yes, cut the Pentagon budget, cause it is all the money that buys the Congress, buys everything. Cut their budget. It needn’t cut into pensions, salaries, or hardware, only dark ops and waste.

  • OhNo

    I had a good laugh reading through most of the comments. First of all it is very clear those dissing the tea party have never been to any meetings. I belong to a tea party and have attended meetings of other tea parties. No one so far even know who the Koch Bros are and most have nothing to do with the big national tea parties. Tea Party meetings discuss current affairs, new bills coming up and up-coming elections. Who is running and what is their voting record. They are also committed to attending City Council meetings where you get a good picture that the corruption starts right at home in the smallest communities.

    While I believe the OWS and the Tea Party have a lot in common there are things that will never bring them together. The Tea Party would not put up with the violence, the trashing of property, the drug use and the hateful and racist rants. They would also not put up with those demanding handouts and others to pay their way. I don’t think most in the OWS are like that but there are too many to ignore the problem. Most are desperately worried about the future for their children and grandchildren and they are the only reason they got involved.

    The Tea Party is; enough with the spending, enough with the debt, enough with driving jobs overseas and enough with the corruption. We are going after just as many Republicans as Democrats. Unfortunately most elections are the lessor of two evils because of the corrupt media.

    Wall Street does no more than our government lets them get away with. OWS is miss-directed. They should be on the white house lawn, on Barney Franks lawn.

    Here is another shining example of why the divide will continue. “M” writes (The Tea Party that brought handguns and assault rifles to rallies?) NO the tea party did not bring guns and rifles, citizens brought guns and rifles to a second amendment protest. MSNBC reported a white man brought a rifle and it turned out they cropped the pic and it was a black man. Keep watching the left wing liars and know nothing of truth.